Interstates 270 and 255
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- Опубликовано: 1 ноя 2024
- We're back! I considered doing 295 in Jacksonville this week for the opening of NFL preseason, but maybe KC will play the Jags in the playoffs, so we'll focus on a baseball grudge match. Should 270 and 255 all be one road that intersects itself. or is it fine as is? What's with the weird numbering? Why can't MODOT and IDOT agree on control cities in the same metro? These questions and more are pondered as we head to St. Louis!
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Todd… speaking of Indianapolis, the I-69/I-465 interchange in Indy opened this week. There will still be several more months of construction on 465 in that part of Indy while they finish adding a lane in each direction. Hopefully there will be updated Street View images of new signage in the next few months so that you can do a 465 video in May 2025.
The thing is that he talks about control cities and 465 has a lack of that
@@CenteredAlloy67 It had no control cities for decades. A few years ago, INDOT added control cities (Peoria and Cincinnati) to the portion of 465 that overlaps 74. My understanding is that the portion of 69 that overlaps 465 will also have Fort Wayne and Evansville as control cities. Most likely, there will still be a 21 mile section of 465 (between exits 16 and 37) that won’t have control cities.
Now 270 around Columbus seems to be at most interchanges, without control cities.
FYI the Welcome to Illinois sign on 270 East has been taken down due to the construction there. Might be able to find one on an old street view. It was on Choteau Island between the two bridges.
I would love if you could look at I-185 and I-385 in Greenville, SC. They are cool interstates with pretty good signage, I think you would like it since you already checked out I-85 itself.
Fun fact: The mile markers for I-270 reset when you cross from MO into IL, but not for I-255 when that highway crosses over from MO into IL.
The "To I-270" control city is because 255 used to end at 270 before 1998. You can see the same control city when exiting 55N/70E to 255N. They just never updated the control cities. Also, St. Louis is so parochial that the control cities on 270 in St. Louis County were Hazelwood and Kirkwood - both large municipalities in St. Louis County. Thanks for the awesome video of a highway I drive just about every day!
My OCD hates when even hundrethed three digit interstates don't form full loops.
It used to be worse. Until 1974, I-270 between I-70 and I-55 in MO was I-244, which meant that the St Louis bypass originally had 3 Interstate numbers.
Also, that's TWO Interstate Highways in ONE VIDEO! Double the content! Love it!
The only better day to have done this one would have been 314 Day.
Bellefontaine is pr. "bell-fountain", and Lemay is pr. "lee-may". Natural Bridge got its name from a trail that went over a creek on a naturally formed stone bridge. Rock Road likewise, got its name from a stone trail going west to St. Charles. While 64-40 is finally becoming the norm, I've never heard it pr. "farthy". I-255 is actually faster than I-55 due to fewer ramps at the Poplar St. Bridge. I do not know why it is IL 255, but I am trying to get it changed to I-555.
Ironically the Rock Road itself does not reach St. Charles, nor have an unusual amount of rocks on it.
@@JayTemple The road did go to St. Charles on the old bridge that was raised about 30 yrs ago.
10:05 as an area resident, I disagree. JB bridge over to the Illinois side is way less stressful than going up through downtown to the Poplar. Heck my mom goes out of her way to take 55 south to 255 and then over to Illinois. And yes it is signed as a bypass for the metro when you’re coming up north on 55.
There is an Illinois State Line sign on the New Chain of Rocks Bridge. It's just small and kinda off the side of the bridge.
MO-100 (Manchester Rd) was the original route of US 66 west of downtown St. Louis for the first few years. It was moved to what is now MO-366 (Watson Rd) once that was built in the early 1930s. This is why MO-366 ends at the I-44/I-270 interchange - I-44 follows US 66's general route across most of the state southwest from this interchange.
Wow! The first official twofer!
I’m still getting back into a rhythm for commenting on these videos more often, so it may be a while before I’m all caught up to the I 5 reboot due today. For this list, I’m going to combine 270 and 255, going counterclockwise starting at the 55/70 split in the northeast.
Terre Haute/Springfield-Granite City-Spanish Lake-Ferguson-Florissant-Hazelwood-Maryland Heights-Creve Coeur-Kirkwood-Concord-Mehlville-Cahokia Heights-Collinsville-Alton
This is quite extensive, but St. Louis is one of those cities that isn’t really a dominant presence within its own metro area. Today, I don’t think even 10% of the 2.8M metro population lives in St. Louis proper. As for bypassing traffic instead of those that use the loop for travel within the metro, I do think that long distance controls could work, but I’m not as far reaching. My picks would be Columbia over KC (it’s far enough away from either to work), Springfield MO over Tulsa (unless you’ve let go of your distaste for this major city being over ignored; not to mention there’s still a major junction in Joplin), Cape Girardeau over Memphis (for how significant the Mississippi River is, there aren’t many sizable communities on the water, and Memphis is quite far away), Terre Haute over Indianapolis (I’d start Indy after Effingham) and Springfield IL over Chicago (again, it’s still a long ways out; I wouldn’t start Chicago until past Bloomington). In addition, there’s 64 eastbound, which I’d sign for Evansville.
As usual for these videos centered around a specific region, I’ve got a list of musical acts from the St. Louis Metro. From the Metro East region of Illinois (Calhoun, Bond, Jersey, Clinton, Monroe, Macoupin, St. Clair and Madison Counties), I found Miles Davis and Gretchen Wilson. As for the Missouri side, while the area I searched contained Warren, Lincoln, Franklin, Jefferson, St. Charles and St. Louis Counties (plus St. Louis city), the only one of these artists not from St. Louis city was from St. Louis County. Here, I have Chuck Berry, J-Kwon, The Urge, Nelly, Michael McDonald (Doobie Brothers), Trauma Harness, Metro Boomin, Maximum Effort, Murphy Lee, Doom Town and Ali (St. Lunatics). Any artist snubs are welcomed, but some of these acts didn’t even have Wikipedia pages…
1. In response to the Missouri Bottom comment, Mizzou has been at the top of the SEC more than it's been at the bottom since joining.
2. You are absolutely correct about the potential to sign WB 370 as Kansas City from WB/SB 270, and while it isn't on the sign you showed there is a dedicated sign around 2 miles prior to the interchange identifying it as "Alt to 70 West Kansas City" (just west of the US 67/Lindbergh Blvd interchange).
3. It's interesting that you refer to 270's directions by the "inner loop" and out "Outer loop" which may confuse native St. Louisans who typically refer to I-170 as the "Inner belt" and I-270/I-255 as the "Outer belt".
With 255 to go around:
Maybe they want to keep traffic low on that tight ramp 55 has in St Louis?
Natural Bridge Caverns Road exists in Texas serving the Natural Bridge Caverns between San Antonio and New Braunfels. Went there as a kid!
Regarding the route designation: I-255 was originally going to be signed as I-270 as well, making a complete loop. However, the 8 mile stretch from where it meets IL-255 east to the I-55/I-70 split was also part of the interstate. They thought it would be too confusing to have an interchange where 3 out of 4 directions were I-270. One proposal was to have that 8 mile stretch be designated a spur called I-870. Instead they decided to keep it as part of I-270 and change the southbound route through Illinois to I-255.
Agree with you, going through St Louis to go to Chicago is faster (pending any accidents). Took I-44 from OK, going to Indy, so I drove I-270 E and I-255 looping to I-70. Another driver stayed on I-44 through town; I caught him 40 miles into Illinois on I-70! Great Vid as always!! Thx!
I-255 did use to end at 270. Illinois 255 has only been around about 15 years. Prior to 255 being extended from 55 to 270, completed in the early 80s if I recall, there was no plan to go beyond 270. But both St Clair and Madison Co grew so the need arose to get a bypass of Alton.
IL 255 has been around for at least 25 years.
@@dvferyance Sorry. Stand corrected. Wasn't finished until 2012. Started in 1998.
1. While researching stuff for my version, I found out that there’s another Baseball Team in the St. Louis Area on the Illinois side of the Metro.
2. 5:11 The Welcome Sign is roughly 0.9 miles into the State and closer to the bottom of the bridge.
My interstate hero! Do you like wheatfields bakery in downtown Lawrence?
I was just driving 270 and 255 today, and I noticed a couple of interesting things that you didn't mention.
First off, on 255 south just before crossing into Missouri there's a distance sign for Memphis and Tulsa. Tulsa is 393 miles. This has to be one of the farthest distances posted on a 3-digit interstate!
Second, when you hit 55 from 255 going into 270, it's exits 1A and 1B, which makes sense. But when you hit 55 from 270 going into 255, it's exits 1A and... 1A?! I've never seen two consecutive exits with the same number and letter anywhere else.
How about I-270 in Maryland
You missed the best part… West Florissant Rd is east of New Florissant Rd.
Do you mean Lindbergh Blvd? Not Road.
I drove this road three days ago (8/5) on my way home from Pittsburgh!
What, Memphis? 12:49 Not E. St. Louis?? Is Illinois slipping, or are they improving?
I want to see MODOT put up some joke "South I-270: Cape Girardeau" signs
@@darknessnight1115 Nah
I-270 South Perryville 😂
@@Jboob Bro I'm sick
I-255 around the south and east side used to be the best way around town from I-44 east for example. Now since they fixed the traffic in downtown St Louis for the most part, which used to be horrific, it is better to go straight through town now. It used to save someone a significant amount of time so I think the signage is left over from that.
During the evening rush I-70 is much better that Route 40 (I-64) to Wentzville.
I always wanted them to rename I-270 on the north-side as I-70 to reduce traffic bypassing St. Louis much like they did with I-95 around D.C.
U.S. Routes leave to the city streets for those Federal dollars on those streets.
@10:07 similar to your 370 argument - as a local, I would argue that from this interchange you probably ARE better off taking 255 as a bypass due to traffic through the city.
I hope you do US 60 soon
If I was an interstate and my control city was another interstate, I would feel shame.
Lol
But what if you were an interstate and your control city were Limon?
MU330!! Perfect opening song!
Fingers still crossed for a US 412 video
Todd, that's so weird to see @1:47 you showing us a pickle jar that has been there since 2012. I say weird because just a few months ago on our circle freeway interstate, I-275 in Cincinnati, I noticed a pickle jar chilling on the side of the road of i-275 West, somewhere between Exits 47 and 46 (the Reed Hartman exit and the US 42 exit, respectfully). If I remember right, I think it might be between just after the Exit 47 ramp and the Reed Hartman overhead bridge. Can't be coincidental! Just curious to know if there's any significance to it, or is it there just for fun to see if people would notice? I don't know!
**edited for update:
As of today (8-8-2024), the jar is still there. haha
its literally a piece of trash. A bum sleeping by the freeway probably left it there.
What a dump of a city, a piece of trash is a landmark.
Whoa!
@@Rhapbus1wow, you really have it out for us, huh? The jar isn't even in the goddamn city, it's in the suburbs 10 minutes away. Let people have fun.
Having Chicago on eastbound at 55 does make sense because it is a bypass. Instead of taking 55 north at that point you stay on 255 and hit 55 later.
I used to take I-55 to Lindbergh and 270 (exit 25?) on a regular basis. It brings back memories, though I still don't miss St. Louis
Did you live in Jefferson County? I grew up in Arnold and most of the places I needed to go were in South or West County.
@@JayTemple Nah, I lived in North County, near the airport, but I had frequent trips south on I-55, toward Memphis
Do the pan american highway
The entire Interstate Highway System is considered part of it, so that could take a while
7:15 Well-designed bypass, well-picked control city. I-270 West Kansas City, great job, Illinois!
Todd, I hope an MLB rivalry match of Missouri is gonna be epic as the Cardinals head west to the other side of the state. Also, I-270 MO-IL in my opinion, should sign Tulsa & Kansas City, Kansas City, the STL Airport, then Chicago & Indianapolis for the inner loop while on the outer loop, I sign the STL Airport & Kansas City, Kansas City, then Tulsa & Memphis, and lastly Memphis.
Here’s Speedboy14’s the way it should be for both I-270 and I-255
I-270’s Inner loop: Kansas City (until I-64), Chicago/Indianapolis
I-270’s Outer loop: Kansas City (until I-70), Tulsa/Memphis (until I-44), Memphis
I-255’s Outer loop: Louisville (until I-64), Chicago/Indianapolis (until I-55/I-70), Alton
I-255’s Inner loop: Memphis
1:48 that is a thing?😂😂😂
It's on Google maps
Sadly, Missouri had regiments that fought for both sides in the Civil War. It truly was brother vrs. brother in the Show Me state.
Yep, a consequence of being a slave state that didn't secede.
Missouri was in the north during the civil war and is usually considered a midwestern state. Although far southern Missouri does have some southern culture areas around Springfield and Joplin.
Don't forget to carry your NINE while driving through East St. Louis, IL.
Is this where I-70 and I-270 were swapped recently?
No it’s always been this way. 70 was swapped off of the road downtown when the Stan Span was built
No it’s always been this way. 70 was swapped off of the road downtown when the Stan Span was built
Not sure why southbound I-255 is not signed St Louis north of the 55/70 interchange. People from Alton and beyond are more likely heading there than Memphis. Even the state route uses Memphis as a control city as far as Godfrey.
What was Rt 66 is the I-44 exit, and you showed the Watson Rd exit. Watson Rd is the old Rt. 66.
I-255 SB should be signed for St. Louis north of I-55/70, then Memphis from there is fine (I-55 through downtown will almost never be quicker)
Todd, according to what I can find, Missouri Route 370 was actually requested to be Interstate 370 by MoDOT, but was rejected by AASHTO in favor of Interstate 870, which MoDOT rejected as they were going to use I-870 for the route that is now called Interstate 255.
Why they didn't make Interstate 255 a part of 270 is unknown. Why would you put two connecting three-digit interstate highways that form a loop as two separate numbers? Either name it all I-255 or I-270.
They do some strange things in Missouri and Illinois.
My only guess is that at some time Illinois 255 will become I-255
MoDOT and IDOT truly are useless and make zero sense.
how do you get the images and things to show the route of highways and their starts and ends?
Google Maps' Street View feature. It's mentioned in the description.
@@courtemanche437 but what does he use to just show the location names of where the highway starts and ends?
I think the map he showed at the beginning came from Wikipedia but other times he has fancy graphics for those which I don't know how he makes
iMovie
@@ControlCityFreak that’s what i use for my video editing too
Effingham being on the signage is because that's the merge with I-57, so it actually makes perfect sense.
Over Indy and Chicago? Plus 57 is signed for Memphis and Chicago, if you were going to either you’d take 55.
@@ControlCityFreak I'm not saying it's superior, I'm just saying it links to a major interstate so it makes sense
370 isn’t an interstate because MoDot wants 370, the Feds want I-870, and Missouri wants to save room for a possible Columbia loop. Or so I’ve heard.
Both 364 and 370 should be interstates as well as 390 in the Chicago area. IL-255 makes sense as not being part of I-255 since it is not part of the beltway. IL-394 can't be an interstate because it's not all a freeway.
Just want to point this out. As it stands right now, you want to completely avoid I-55 unless you're going TO St Louis. They've been rebuilding the bridges for the past couple years and they are well behind schedule because a subcontractor messed up one of the bridges. It might still be a year or two before that I55 construction disaster is complete. Definitley should take 255 to Chicago unless traffic looks really good on Google. Lots of lane shifting and congestion.
It would be pretty dope if IL-3 south were signed for Cairo, but that will never happen.
Its way too far from them to sign such a small town.
@@joshf5341 exactly, Cairo is down to about 2,000-3,000 residents now, if you sign that far out, then sign a city on i57, LIKE MEMPHIS
WHAT! Mizzou literally beat Ohio State in the cotton bowl this year, you can't be serious 💀
I think he's talking about shooty hoops, given that it's the only thing KU is good at.
With backups on Ohio State side
If 270 is faster than 70 for non-city traffic why not just re-designate that side of 270 (or 270/370) as 70, the rest of 270 gets to be more 255 (with exits starting from the airport end), and the part of 70 inside the beltway gets a new number (either an x70 or an x55, I'm not picky)?
Probably because 370 wasn't built until the 1990s after the 270/255 numbering was already decided, but you do make a good point.
"Didn't both sides fight to keep Missouri out of either side?"
*L Missouri*
Go Cardinals. Did you forget to mention that you can actually see the downtown St. Louis skyline from the Jefferson Barracks Bridge and on the Illinois side?
You remind me of Frankenstein.
There's 270 in Maryland
Interestingly, one of the cities that I-270 passes through (or at least very close to) is Maryland Heights.
FINALLY
Dumbest fact about IL-255: It’s already interstates standards. But since IL-255 doesn’t end at an interstate. It’s just a state highway with an interstate quality drive.
Interstates don’t have to end at Interstates, any state highway will do
AYO this is good video
Did Effingham have a worse name before, and some Midwesterner decided to make it more polite? Was it previously called Fuckingham?
lol
Imagine living in a place so fucking miserable and boring that a piece of garbage on a freeway barrier is considered a landmark. It even has a google maps page.
Get off your high horse. You WISH you had a pickle jar like ours.