AIZEN VS ZERO DIVISION - Would Aizen Reach the Soul King? | Bleach: What If?
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- Опубликовано: 24 ноя 2020
- Aizen's goal was to reach the Soul Palace and assassinate the Soul King, but unfortunately for him he never got anywhere near. That hasn't stopped people from speculating how he'd fare against the Zero Division though! Introducing the Bleach: What If? series - looking at potential scenarios that could've, should've, or nearly would've happened. What better place to begin than the 'what if?' question I see the most - What if Aizen had made it to the palace and fought the Zero Division?
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Which 'what if?' scenario would you like to see discussed next? Let me know!
he probably had a plan
Extremely unlikely suggestion but it's something I've been pondering.
What if Ulquiorra Survived?(basically Orihime heals him at the very end)
Extremely unlikely but a guy can dream dangit.
I have a couple
What if byakuya died to as noct?
What if kommamura didn’t transform into a dog and keep his new bankai?
What is the 3 Espada joined forces with Gotei 13 during the fake karakura town arc (in this case let’s say hypothetically the three all survived their fights)
what if aizen reached the soul king & what would he do after that
What if yamamoto saw old man zangetsu in the zanpakto spirt arc.
Another good title would’ve been, “could Aizen beat Ichibe?”
Since let’s be real, that was his only obstacle
No the zero squad are capable of a lot it is just that kubo had to rush it not showing their true ability’s
Nimaya would KO Aizen. Gtfo.
@Kyoka Suigetsu no aizen wouldn’t have time to react since oh etsu one shot one kill plus oh etsu isn’t effected by kyoka suigetsu
You're wild your statement is just bad
@@coltaregamer5558 the same way Gin one shot one killed Aizen or Mugetsu? Based on what we've seen it would take more than that to kill him.
Bro, I NEED a 45 minute minimum character breakdown by you, on Yhwach. It’s all I want for Christmas
Your beard has its own zanpakuto
F**k You Watch.
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So in other words.. he loses by the time he gets to the 4th boss but has unlimited coins and can just keep clicking retry.
And he get's a buff each time he loses.
It’s pretty obvious that “Final Kyoka Suigetsu” Aizen or whatever you call him once he fuses like Ichigo sweeps pretty much everything.
Almighty Yhwach one shot Ichibei. Aizen took on that Yhwach + Reio + Ichigo’s Quincy Powers + all the quinces he slurped up afterward like Gerard, and Aizen still finessed him.
He certainly didn’t get one shot unlike Ichibei who fought a much weaker Yhwach. He just casually appears uninjured in his chair after that fight, contemplating Yhwach’s philosophy lol. So it’s a pretty clear slaughter tbh.
@@tobiisagoodboy8510 that Aizen is stronger than when he fought Ichigo
To the point him almost entirely sealed creates a Kurotshitsugi stronger than the one he uses against Ichigo
It isn´t base Aizen, its basically end evolution Aizen
@@johnsnow8186 Nimaiya cant kill Aizen though. I'd say not even ichibei beats him. Yes, he'd get initially beaten, but he'd just keep transforming until he is strong enough to kill everyone there.
@@dakotatrue12 Aizen would never win, the transformations would be irrelevant, Ichibei would simply nullify Aizen's power with Ichimonji, he only lost to Yhwach because almighty was absurdly op.
People often forget the Chair Aizen is way stronger and perfectly evolved than his Butterfly form
Urahara clearly says "He became stronger than when he fought Mr. Kurosaki"
He says it after the Kurotshitsugi and how he crushes the Mimihagi
Urahara saw the entire Aizen v Ichigo fight
Urahara knows his shit, Aizen TYBW obliterates Butterflyzen and Monster Level Aizen
Maybe .. but even then In his fight with juha most of his powers were still sealed I guess so we don’t Rli know the real extent of his new powers.
nah dude... butterflyzen and monster aizen are stronger then the chair version. Otherwise, chair version would be a transcendent being as well. Besides, Urahara might have seen the fight, but he couldnt feel the reiatsu of either ichigo, nor aizen. How could he ever determine that the chair version was stronger than even monster aizen
@@HDIceWatch Aizens zanpakuto fused with him
@@Abdul54cp So what? I never mentioned his Zanpakuto once in my text. For all we know, he could naturally have the abilities of his Zanpakuto now. Actually, he does. He fucked with Juha multiple times. He even fucked with his All-Mighty ability.
Hes just ultra powerful now, but not as strong as he was during his fight with Ichigo. Same goes for Ichigo. Though, I would assume that Ichigo (if he actually gets to use his Bankai, lol) is even stronger.
@@HDIceWatch The Hogyoku does not revert its transformations. Aizen was sealed yes, but he was still above butterflyzen form, which means he only grew in power since being in the chair.
If that wasn't the case, the Hogyoku would have unmerged his zanpakuto from him, which didn't happen. He clearly is still merged with his Zanpakuto which means that Aizen is far above Butterflyzen in TYBW arc.
Plot twist: Aizen was only commanding the plan and it was chair-sama actually making the the plans.
Seems legit.
Oh my (°o°:)ᴼʰᴺᵒ
Plot twist chair sama was kyoka suigetsu
@@Sleepyhollow3245 Bigger plot twist:Kyoka Suigetsu is chair sama unreleased and chair sama shikai is aizen
WHO is chair sama lol ?
SOMEBODY ELSE FINALLY CALLED HIM BUTTERFLAIZEN. I CAN DIE HAPPY NOW.
Everyone calls him that moron
Bro everyone already calls that version of Aizen "Butterflaizen", nobody calls monster Aizen "Big Daddy Mothra".
@@ulrichemrichfam3395 I don't know who everybody is because I called him that the week that chapter came out like 9 years ago and I have never seen anybody else call him that but me until this video.
I just simply call him Flyzen like everyone does in bbs
@@NobleVillian someone obviously doesn’t play Bleach: Bravesouls lol
Ichibē: *Changes Aizen’s Name*
Hōgyoku: *No longer recognizes its owner*
Nice logic, but as aizen is kubo so ichibe loses by default.
The hogyoku is like a death note then and only recognizes people by name? Interesting.
@@milmil5350 no. The reason why this would (theoretically) work is because of the nature of Ichibe’s name change. His power gives names power, and the meaning behind them.
@@Chriscraft-ug3sz Actually i don't believe it would work, theoretically, you could attach the Hogyoku to a being who had no name, and it would still work powering them up. Thus changing that persons name would do nothing, as its not connected to the name, but to the being itself. This why Ichibe changing his name wouldn't do anything to Aizen and the Hogyoku.
@@Telarius Hogyoku might not recognize Aizen as it’s owner because the concept behind Aizen’s name as it’s representation to himself would change, not just his name. It’s the concept behind the name.
Well technically ichigo did not defeat aizen. Aizen was regenerating and ichigo lost his powers. If the seal didn't activate ichigo is dead.
Ichigo's last attack injuring aizen so tremendously (and thereby weakening him because the hogyoku doesnt accept him as its master anymore OR because aizen was subconsciously happy about the outcome and the hogyoku didnt see a point in powering him up then) is the only reason urahara's kido was able to restrain aizen in the first place, so yes he would have lost the fight but he won the round which led to aizen losing overall. That's a W in my book
@@Flexy59 yes ichigo kneeling on the ground helpless is the textbook picture of victory. My singular point is that if ichigo fought aizen without having a seal put on him ichigo losses. Ichigo didn't even know about the seal and started shitting bricks once he saw him regening.
That’s true, Aizen had him defeated, and the hogokyu never rejected him, how do you think he gets stronger in the muken? If Aizen wasn’t depressed then the seal would have done nothing, the hogyoku would just adapt him to the seal.
@@lordbensmiteroflibtardoidl6639 you are assuming that he still has the hogyoku in him. Everyone assumes that but there has been no mention made in the manga that he still has it in him. You don't think the Central 46 would have removed that from him? It is possible he still has it but we have no verifiable evidence he does or does not.
@@DorianMariusGray Gin tried to remove it but hogyoku still works outside of Aizen. How the hell do you think he is immortal? Hax? The manga dosent need to make a claim he has the hogyoku in him the reason he lost was he was depressed lmao.
The battle would literally be:
Aizen: hey guys this is my sword
The whole squad: *I N T E R E S T I N G*
Ichibei : I already know your sword I'm the one that named it so I'll pass looking at it thank.
Oh-Etsu : I knew bout your sword because I created it and all of us already pinched out our eyeballs
Wasn’t he already one with his sword?
@@kenny_green5962 he was but its still funny
Well Ichibei did say Aizen would have won if Ichigo did not stop him
Ichibei: "I shall erect your tomb and mourn your repose. So you will be never be born once more. FUTEN TAISATSU RYO!"
Aizen:" Yo but before that look at my cool sword Kyoka Suigetsu."
Ichibei is the Guy that named his sword so I’m sure he knows all about it
Lmao even if he showed ichibei his sword. An illusion isnt saving aizen from having his entire body absorbed. It doesnt matter where aizen is. Its gonna absorb all of him from no matter where he is. Ichibeis technique literally absorbed 100 nights darkness from the world within the FUTURE. If he activates it, no matter what aizen makes ichibei see, no matter where he is hiding. He will be absorbes until only skeleton is left. Ichibei wins
@@perryclick7867 Imagine if Aizen would do the same like when he got stabbed by Soi Fon and say:"Ichibei I can overcome your silly hax with my Reatsu."
Ichigo wears his plot armor but Aizen wears his anti-hax Reatsu armor.
@@UtopiansDream His Restu is not that high even kenpachi would lose.
@@Jac4ester Ichibei would know about it but if Aizen had continued evolving to the point where he transended in the manga it wouldn't be a question he would win, his reiatsu would be at the point where it's questionable whether Ichimonji would work in the first place and just looking at Aizen himself would force him into kyoka.
Stark: Kills weaker hollows with his spiritual pressure just by being around them and had to live most of his life alone
Aizen, more powerful than stark: Has to purposely lower his pressure to not kill or over pressure the humans in Karakura
Ichigo, more powerful than Aizen in that state, with a spiritual pressure nobody can feel: somehow doesn't instantly kill his friends while being right next to them
for reals
@Dexulosi ...a few meters is still right next to them. Aizen was only a few meters away from the human he killed with his reiatsu, and Stark was more than a few meters away from the hollows he killed with his reiatsu. You say that Ichigo was able to suppress his reiatsu just like Aizen, but Aizen still killed someone while suppressing his (he literally said he was suppressing it as much as he could), so Ichigo would have done the exact same. NIce try though.
I think it's depend on individual traits rather than in general.
Idk if ichigo was more powerful than Aizen because he sacrificed his shinigami powers for a single attack with all his power and even then aizen wasn't dead and was about to regenerate if the hogyoku didn't abandon him
@@ExplodingBumfluff lol he just did that to finish him off, he was very clearly more powerful in the moment
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So the hogyuoku is essentially an artificial almighty
When are we getting a What-if battle theory between Juha Bach and Don Kanoji
Bruhhhh😂😂
I keep wondering when mrtommo is going to level up and make the real deal:Bount character and battle analysis lol.
I mean, it is all fun and games but comparing Juha to the literal god himself is a little bit heretical
It did happen in anime kanonji was scared shitless😂
Don Kanoji is too strong bro
Greetings to any folks who came back to this video after the TYBW Cour 2 finale.
Yup now ain’t no way Aizen gets past the Zero division
He does pretty easily honestly. I'm guessing your anime only so I wont spoil anything but dude get's wayyy stronger. You'll see, goatzen is truly immaculate.
@@doom9128 this isnt about current aizen is it? i rhought it was about butterflyaizen and his forms like that in which he isnt getting past squad zero
@natrell.awsome4711 I might have misunderstood.... if so I am an idiot. However the original comment did talk about the tybw.
@@doom9128 oh no i was asking no intentions beyond that cause i didnt even watch the video, i just opened the comments and left
There's also an argument to be made that Aiden could have always lied when he said he's not using Kyoka Suigetsu. We know he didn't use it afterwards, mostly due to his Hubris I assume, however against the Zero Division he made no such promise and could just use an Illusory Aizen to preoccupy them until Ichibē appears and just one shot him when he uses his Ink against the illusion
What if, aizen used bankai
That's what I need in my life
Imagine he uses 1% of his power.
he has no need for bankai, he passed that form when he fused with kyoka suigetsu
@@alfadood2442 That's not the point. It likely would have given a crazier ability rather than more strength and reiatsu
@@marcomarin1196 he was beyond bankai
@J K his sword is. 😒
I do actually think they meant that Thousand Year Blood War Aizen is more powerful than his most powerful form in the arrancar arc.
Tybw aizen is the same aizen that evolved after surviving the mugetsu, and he fused with kyoka suigetsu more than ichigo fused with tensa zangetsu.
Although he's not more powerful than dangai/mugetsu ichigo, he's way stronger than his "flyzen".
It's hard because tybw is extremely powerful but hogyoku aizen is immortal
@Kyoka Suigetsu facts
Kisuke literally says his power has gotten stronger since the Deicide Arc
Hes still immortal tho
What if indeed, brilliant new series! Love stuff like this, and taking the time to go into several alternate timelines are interesting thought experiments
The whole 3 dimensional being monologue was just Aizen putting into perspective how, in his words: “2 dimensional beings can’t interact with 3 dimensional beings” it was just a metaphor
Exactly...eople thought waaaay too hard about that. 2heads trying to be 5heads.
@@A-RedHerring Still, he was strong to the point that Urahara couldn't feel his reiatsu and destroyed sonething that was supposedly imune to Reiatsu and could make things time travel, in a way he really did transcend beyond metaphor.
@@ThePipojp It wasn’t immune to reiatsu. People just assumed it to be. No one ever tried to test it. This was hinted when he said “Reason exists only for those who try to cling on to it”.
Nah it was legit. Only ichigo got to him cuz ichigo is a soul king candidate.
Are you sure, that it was just a methapor?
This guy is too underrated
Factss
He's not underrated. He got all his subs in like 6 months so everyone knows he's the real good shit
Yeah, Aizen is too underrated
Indeed!
@@kensmilepachi3313 underrated by madara dead brain fanboy and fangirl
One factor I think you're forgetting is that Aizen creating the Oken means essentially creating a Royal Guard of his own. So Aizen will either be going into this fight with the help of a powerful ally, or Aizen will first devour his creation like he was planning to do to Ichigo and likely absorb its powers for himself.
To clear up any confusion, Aizen talking about 2D and 3D beings was just an analogy; that he is so much more powerful compared to everyone else that him interacting with them is akin to how we as 3D beings would seem to beings that exist in the hypothetical 2D universe. It was never supposed to be literal.
As for transcendence and why it so rarely gets brought up, that's because that's just the name Aizen gave to his evolution. It's not a term that is recognised by other people.
As for Urahara's statement in the final arc, it's pretty clear that he is comparing Aizen to when he was powered up by the Hogyoku and not after that power was stripped away. In the Japanese text, Urahara ends his statement with かも知れません (kamoshiremasen), which when used indicates that the speaker is inferring that something is possible, but they aren't completely sure. Urahara's uncertainty strongly suggests that he was comparing Aizen to when he was powered up by the Hogyoku, because anyone can look at the chantless Kurohitsugi Aizen used in the final arc and compare it to the one he used back on Sokyoku Hill and say with certainty that the one in the final arc is much more powerful, whereas if you compare it to the one he used as Butterlyzen against Ichigo, the answer is less obvious (although the one in the final arc does still seem more visually impressive even without an incantation.) Basically, final arc Aizen's power is at least in the same ballpark as before he lost his Hogyoku powerups, possibly even stronger, but Urahara can't tell for sure.
Nothing really to say about Kirinji, Senjumaru, and Nimaiya. I don't think they can contribute much to this fight.
Hikifune's cage of life will likely not have any effect. Aizen doesn't need to blow it up by overloading it with his Reiatsu or anything because he's already beyond that. He destroyed the Cleaner, a being of logic which is completely unaffected by Reiatsu. The cage of life would simply be destroyed.
Ichibē is where it gets interesting, is what is like to say, but I'm of the opinion that Aizen's Reiatsu is simply too overwhelming. Final arc Aizen, who as I previously established, is believed by Urahara to be at least close to the level he was at against Ichigo, was able to put up an ok fight against Yhwach with The Almighty, Mimihagi absorbed, Rei-O absorbed, plus the power he took from Ichigo, Haschwalth, and Gerard. Ichibē was oneshotted by Yhwach with just The Almighty, prior to him getting any of those other powerups. Aizen is simply way more powerful than Ichibē. In CFYOW, Ikomikidomoe was able to undo the effects of Ichibē's Shikai and Bankai on himself after boosting his power by eating Hikone's Rei-O fragment. Ikomikidomoe was then immediately oneshotted by Shikai Zaraki (Bankai was not even needed). CFYOW also names Ichigo, Aizen, Zaraki as being the definitive top 3 strongest Shinigami in their own tier above the rest.
That changes my opinion about ichibei being stronger than aizen. 😅
If it’s final arc aizen ya he beats ichbei but I thought this video was vs the aizen that faces ichigo in the fake kurakata town arc which I feel like is still well weaker than tybw arc.
@@chiraghalpati3463 during CFYOW Ichibei is already too weak to even be a lieutenant lol, there's no way he'll be be recovering all of his powers quickly after being utterly obliterated by Yhwach.
TYBW Aizen definitely is stronger than Hollow Aizen, that Kurohitsuji he used to obliterate the Soul King monsters was casted by Aizen that's still being restrained by tons of sealing techniques but also by Mayuri's Super Chair, and that same Kurohitsuji is also CHANTLESS.
Hogyouku Aizen Full Chant Kurohitsuji against Dangai Ichigo
@@raiden3013 it only seems that way, technically when he was sealed he was on his way to his next evolution and becoming stronger, we just didn't get to see that because of Kisuke's seal, TYBW Aizen is what was intended to be Aizen's final form after his evolution before being sealed.
If the Hogyoku can infinitely will Aizen to become more powerful than anything, he can technically rise infinitely in power, but Kisuke's seal may suggest otherwise. Though curiously when his mouth restraint is released by Shunsui, he manages to undo all other bindings besides those that keep him restrained in his chair, Shunsui does not know how this happens, there isn't much explanation to how he does this. Seeing how he effortlessly casts a Kurohitsugi while in that chair, Aizen could have feasibly taken out the entire Central 46 again while he was being sentenced, why didn't he?, I wonder.
It would probably be a stalemate. Deicide arc Kisuke stated that muken Aizen was more powerful than he previously was (although it was sort of vague). It was even implied that his powers were continuously growing by the minute. Was it not also said that the hogyoku never rejected him in the first place? We won't know the full extent of his abilities knowing that a majority of his reiatsu had been sealed. In that sealed state he was capable of holding his ground against a Rei-o infused Yhwach and even manage to tamper with the Almighty's power. He was not branded as one of the six major war powers for nothing.
As for ichibe, the man is a walking repository of cheat codes nuff said.
The two are technically immortals. Aizen would definitely have the upperhand in terms of reiatsu. However, ichibe could easily bypass that fact.
All we can do is guess.
Love this new 'What If Scenario' video! Hopefully you'll be making it into a series!
Thank you - that's the plan!
Two things I felt were not brought up in this video were the hot spring demon used the blood hell pond water and the bone pond water, so the water can drain Aiden's reiatsu to some extent, he should probably be able to heal the zero division in battle.
Secondly ichibeis ichimoji could potentially rewrite the hyogokus name. The hyogoku is treated as almost a living being and I see no reason why ichibei could just rename the hyogoku into air so it didn't have the ability to make Aizen stronger.
Thank you for bringing that up, that was exactly what I was thinking!
@@darjeelingdandy you're welcome MrTommoe seemed to think it was just normal water when in the manga he braggs to yhwach that it will drain his reiatsu. As for the hyugoku I think writing on it would definitely work
@@otislloyd-zollinger2579 Not to forget that Tenjiro states that he was used to be called 'Raijin no Tenjiro', 'Flash Step Tenjiro', for being the (probably) fastest Shunpo Master among the Shinigami, closely followed by Kirio (both were fast enough to place their zanpakutous in front of oh-etsu to shield him from Lille Barro's attack, though it went through...).
I certainly don't believe that all the members of Squad Zero would survive the confrontation with Aizen, but basically calling the better half of them downright useless hurt a tiny bit. (Yes, I am a Kirinji-Fanboy ^^ )
We still don't know much of the Zero Squad and their abilities, zanpakutous in shikai, let alone in bankai, which opens a lot more room for discussions.
@@darjeelingdandy yes tenjiro was stated to be the fastest soul Reaper before ichigo gains full power of his abilities, so fast that Soi Fon, one of the fastest soul reapers couldn't even react.
That's a great point and I do think I dismissed Kirinji too easily. Admittedly I think Aizen is one of these characters who could either cancel out the effect of the water or has so much reiatsu that it wouldn't matter, but Kirinji's speed would definitely be interesting to see.
Aizen:"look at my cool sword Kyoka Suigetsu."
Ichibei:"Bruh, we cant have that, put that problem away"
renames his sword to pen
Azien:"Wtf... I had some cool things to show you"
Also aizen: "oh you thought you renamed me?"
@@giovonemendoza6531 Also Aizen, again: "Are you sure it wasn't I who renamed you?"
Ichibe would know what Kyoka Suigetsu is, so he will rename it soon
Oh u named it pen? Cool.. shatter, pen 😬
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I really liked this video. Probably my fav video. I dont watch/read bleach but even without context i feel like I understand what u say. That's how well u explain. Continue the good work
Thank you :)
i dont know why but 'butterfl-izen' makes me chuckle way more than it should
Made me squirt milk outta my nose..
Amazing it made me sub to this guy
I don't believe the Hygoku rejected Aizen. I do believe he achieved perfect transcendece and fused with his Zanpakuto. He was able to KS on Pre and Post Almighty Ywach after he absorbed the soul king which is super impressive. He's definitely above Dangai Ichigo and extremely durable mugestu failed to kill him he's was actually going to evolve again but Urahara trap set in.
@@perma4702 What? I don't care about character pov or whatever you're trying to argue. It's a fact that Aizen transcended. His sword didn't break he clearly uses KS on Ywach while strapped down in the chair and Ywach has never seen it before. He also casually manifest his sword against Ywach during their final battle. Plus his reistu can affect Post Almighty soul king absorbed Ywach. He transcended bro.
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This is what gets frustrating about Bleach as much as I love it. Basically at a certain point only Ichigo is allowed to win, and Aizen's powers 'defy reason' because Kubo writes himself into corners all the time. If there were straight lines Aizen isn't even reaching Ichibe, he's done in well before that, there are just too many compounding forces... but there aren't straight lines in Bleach so he probably goes the whole way until Ichigo finds a new ability then he insta loses.
For me it is not frustrating, this is all hypothetical but just like what Mugetsu demotivated Aizen that the Hogyoku dont think of Aizen as Master, so the last two that can show Aizen that he is weak or overpower him quickly and show him the diference. OHKO Aizen and he might (hypothetical) fall and if a seal Kido can stop Aizen, what more about zero division that has “FORBIDDEN” ones. Thus, it is straight line also, ichigo wins because he is the MC just like all other, Goku, Naruto and everyone. They win because they do. What is their point if they dont win. It loses the point if all that build uo leads him to nothing. Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
It’s not bleach, it’s shonen issue. The editors will Kubo do everything as he likes. Somethings have to fall within the roles and guidelines of Shonen
It's all about Hogyoku. Dude's already a god with that thing, period.
The hogyoku has a name
@@vicunaleather6992 but it can evolve beyond aname
Didnt show any limits. This thing is prolly omnipotent
@@alispeed5095 but ichibe can change its name to something else making it something else. I dont see how it could evolve without having the ability to evovle. The hogyoku was created and given a name so that name can be changed to something else. If you really think about its kinda the perfect counter.
@@vicunaleather6992 No remember the hogyoku is omnipotent for all we know, its basically why even Yuha with almighty a character thats as close to agod as any can get could not kill aizen after he ate him
At the end of bleach we see that Aizen is alive and chilling in prison
Ichibei is not even close to Almighty Yuha At all. The hogyoku would just resist his attempts to rename it since its like aliteral god and if its Aizen thats renamed the hogyoku would just evolve him to abeing above names because even though aizen is named and turned into an ant, the hogyoku still knows his will to win and will act to help him overcome of its own free will as we see this in aizens fights (forinstance after urahara sealed his reiatsu outlets on his wrists, aizen panics and doesnt know what to do but the hogyoku steps in and helps him sealing his reiatsu and evolving him to not require the outlets xD)
Nomatter how strong lchibei was, he is still a shinigami and we know that reiatsu can negate ANY hax so if the hogyoku can give aizen infinite reiatsu for as long as he desires it, whats stopping such acreature? from just outright negating hax itself?
Considering it must have infinte reiatsu itself inorder to do the shit it does?
Finally the royal guard were in contact with gotei and know of the events of fake karakura, if Aizen was alive and life imprisoned then it means they too couldnt kill him INCLUDING ICHIBEI
@@alispeed5095 ichibe has knowledge of Kyūjūrokkei Kakafūmetsu and im pretty positive ichibe can weaken him enough to use. Lol the hogyoku is so op. It would be a never-ending battle since there both essentialy immortal
Great content man!
Thanks for the video, I enjoyed watching them
Now what?
Two years later:….
BANKAI!!!!!
It's very interesting to listen to you and clyde's opinions of this topic :)
Great video again my friend! One of my favorite moments in the series is when gin tries to clap him!
Thanks! Yeah that's a great moment. Gin was so close!
Time to revisit this Tommo!
You gotta re do this after the buffs Zero division got in the anime
Butterfl-Aizen is something i never thought i needed to here~
Also i love this what ifs are my bread and butter
Mr Tommo I just wanted say your content is amazing and I love it.
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Aizen not using his powers is just bad writing. Aizen literally has the most op ability and he doesn't use it
@@Suzume175 he is fused with his weapon. It will alwAys come up like when he used it the first time on juha
He doesn't use it because he has become cocky if his new-found power, forgetting about KS
@@Suzume175 if we are going on the name of their swords alone it would seem that Zangetsu protects Ichigo from Kyoka Suigetsu’s effects.
@@Suzume175 Aizen did mention that Ichigo was immune to Kyoka Suigetsu during his battle with YH. This may be similar to the reason Aizen is able to cancel techniques with his reiatsu. Plus Ichigo did also grab Aizen’s blade during their fight in the previous arc.. The abilities of Zangetsu weren’t really expanded on but it’s name could definitely be a hint of what it’s powers are. Which may be a passive effect.
@@jenothemississippianofmand5202 what did you smoke? What aizen said was "It seems that me not showing you the release of kyoka Suigetsu paid off" not that ichigo was immune or anything
I think this is in Aizen's favor by a wide margin. Ichibe is the only obstacle in this fight as he'd destroy the rest of the squad with ease. It's really a matter of who's hax is more powerful? The Hougyoku or Ichibe's power of concepts? Can the power of names counter the Hougyoku's power? Even if it could, would the Hougyoku still be able to transform Aizen to an even greater transcendent form? Could Ichibe stop his evolution? I think if given the chance, Aizen would eventually surpass even the hax of Ichibe if it was allowed. But I'm not sure who would come out on top. Ichibe would certainly have to finish Aizen quickly if he was to stand any chance and I don't think that's what he'd do.
Glad I found this channel, good stuff man!
Thanks!
Can’t wait for you to review this topic again when the anime wraps up.
Well, we know what would happen now. Hogyoku wouldn't save him from Senjumaru.
This just reminds me how underdeveloped and convoluted that last arc was.
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"You think you're looking at me, Ichibe? Fascinating..."
Ichibe probably is unefected by Kyoukaseigetsu.
@ no, why would he. Kyoka suigetsu even overpowered the almighty with uryu shooting yhwach with the arrowhead and ichigo killing him as a result. If kyoka suigetsu could overpower the quote on quote god of the bleach universe why wouldn't it work ichibe...
@@theoneaboveall1677 coz he didn't see the release?
@ who says ichibe will attack instantly, i also doubt that ichibe will be able to do anything faster than aizen’s release
@@theoneaboveall1677 coz he knows Aizens sword ability? Why Aizen "didnt have time" to show his relase to Ichigo? And monk can rename kyoka seigetsu.
Well, I think this video deserves a remake?
Good breakdown and ideas!
What if - Ulquiorra didn't break Ichigo's horn, so no self-destruct of his full hollow form ?
What would have happened - who would/could have stopped him ?
Always been curious about that....
Another great video Tommo-sama, this year has finally started to reward your talent and work you bring us. So a massive
thanks, especially since besides the anime being announced and your rapid growth, it's been a pretty crap year.
All the best mate.
"What if Ulquiorra had made it into the TYBW arc?"
Don't do it
Do give me hope just to feel the crushing grip of hopelessness again
Third release?!
@@aleksamilosevic8792 maybe, that'd be sick
@@aleksamilosevic8792 Tercera Etapa (equivalent of Byakuya's Senkei)
Uggh, that would have been awesome. I feel like he'd have been pretty effective against the quincy.
Get bro past Senjumaru now😭😭
Well the anime gave you something to larp on
ur glazing hard asf Aizen smokes Senjumaru, plus we'll likely see Aizens bankai which will blow everyone away
@@KaliYugaSurfer_ tf does larp mean
@@sireheheiv234 I mean the Aizen we saw in FKT, TYBW Aizen annihilates☠️☠️ but that Aizen from back then gets cooked
Aizen reiatsu enough make him gone 😅
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Do you still feel the same way after the most recent episodes
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Aizen makes Soi Fon think she pierced him, but the wound disappears when he releases Kyoka Suigetsu.
Ichibei's Shikai is way too broken: a power bender with the range of the entire Soul Society. Aizen doesn't stand a chance unless it would be the case that the Hogyoku could warp past concept manipulation. But that is quite the stretch.
Remember Ichibei can erase people entirely from existence and remove them from the cycle of souls
That's exactly what I think. In my opinion, Ichibei can "just" turn the Hougyoku into a marble by changing it's name. Also, although Aizen's absurd reiatsu, it's worth mentioning that the atmosphere at the Royal Palace has a high concentration of reishi, boosting your reiatsu just by living there (I don't remember the exact definition, but you know what I meant). So yeah, I don't see Aizen winning this. But I could be wrong, who knows.
Soifon had to pierce aizen there coz if it was momo she would literally be dead 100% Also even tho Ichibe's ability is really hax, yhwach was able to nullify it even before awakening The Almighty so i wouldn't be surprised if aizen would be able to do the same thing with his reiatsu. Lastly ichibe wouldn't even be able to use his strongest ability as he didn't use it against yhwach who's a natural enemy of the shinigami until the very end. Aizen may be cocky but he's nothing compared Ichibe's sass
@@sinoxibbs6393 Aizen could have simply blocked the blade with his bare skin just like he tanked Ichigo's Bankai with his finger. The fact is the wound is not there afterwards. He trolled Soi Fon with Kyoka Suigetsu.
And Yhwach could not have nullified Ichibei's Bankai with his Reiatsu because Yhwach was demonstrably weaker than even Base Ichibei before the Almighty.
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I love What it scenarios or stories. Cuz they bring into light what certain characters or teams can do
"Butterfly-zen", lul.
I see Shutara as the wild card, actually. Nimaiya would be no threat, Hikifune and Kirinji less so.
And once Aizen gets to Hyousube, it becomes an if-then scenario: if Hyousube can change Aizen's name, then Hyousube wins (until the Hogyoku decides to cheat). If Hyousube can't change Aizen's name, then Aizen wins in a landslide. Despite the relative simplicity of that scenario, I think it would be an incredibly tense fight that relies on spacing foremost along with the non-zanjutsu fighting techniques that shingami employ.
Honestly, I don't think Kubo could write a satisfying version of Hyousube vs. Aizen.
But yeah, I think Aizen would beat the Zero Division with a modicum of effort, kill the Soul King, and attain Real Ultimate Power (or whatever).
Aizen: 100 years of planning and created a technically new species; failed.
Yhwabach: 1,000 years of just sleeping and kills the soul king.
I mean his plan was also to be beat by ichigo so was he really a failure
@@hoodie7257 he almost lost that plan to of it wasnt for Urahara
@@hoodie7257 @Matteo Montanari @Realvin Fiasco Aizen was never rwjected by hogyouku, Aizen is hogyouku at this point, Aizen only loose because he wamted to loose and hogyoku granted that wish, Tell this guy to delete his comment or edit it
Aizen in hsi subconsiouc thought becoming too powerful would make everything meaningless to him .
@@artypyrec4186 @Matteo Montanari @Realvin Fiasco Aizen was never rwjected by hogyouku, Aizen is hogyouku at this point, Aizen only loose because he wamted to loose and hogyoku granted that wish, Tell this guy to delete his comment or edit it
Aizen in hsi subconsiouc thought becoming too powerful would make everything meaningless to him .
@Flugene Gu remember when people thought Aizen power was OP, then the entirety of the Sternritter showed up.
Beautiful video!!! Where i can find these color Scan??
This is a “what if” I never really thought about, dope perspective
Thank you!
I agree with your assesment! And i just want to add even in your assesment aizen didnt used his zanpakutos power even once! :) Damn i love that guy!
You didn't watch the bleach anime did you ? The buff in power for the 0 division makes the fight a closer one
@@The208boywhat are you talking about? 😂
tommo-san out here asking the real questions
With the massive expansion to the Zero Division fight in the anime, I'd love to see you return to discussions like these, since the argument has been strengthened greatly in favour of the Zero Division
People seem to forget that the Hogyoku is literally an amped up Gerard Miracle. The dude cant die while constantly growing stronger.
I think Ichibe may be able to change the Hougyoku's name with his ability thus stripping it of its power. Unlike Yuha they likely knew exactly what Aizen was doing and what he was capable of with the Hougyoku. They were aware of the quincy invasion so they would be aware of Aizen too.
I feel like hogyoku itself is just beyond any outside mending. Since it was gonna be the very thing to make Aizen the soul king.
@MrTommo2304 I have a question for you in relation to Aizen being about to resurrect if he is struck by Ōetsu Nimaiya. We saw that he was able to or at least seemed like he had killed Gerard Valkyrie despite the latter "Miracle" ability supposed to be able to bring him back. Also as he was able to kill Pernida Parnkgjas, despite its evolutionary ability being kinda on par in some sense with Gerard. Both of them we only brought back because of Auswählen. Wouldn't it be reasonable to conclude that if he could one-shot kill these two individuals with immense regenerative abilities, he could do the same with Aizen?
The problem with Oetsu killing Gerard the way he did is that the Schutzstaffel had some random limiter placed on their Schrifts. Lille says after they were revived that they couldn't use their full power until now. So for whatever reason, The Miracle just isn't turned 'on' until after he revives. Whereas Aizen and the Hogyoku would be working from the get go.
@@MrTommo2304 Oh gotcha! That makes sense, I didn't remember that being a thing till you mentioned it. Second question is wouldn't that be a contradictory statement from Lille? As if the "limiter" was enough to stop Gerard from using The Miracle, shouldn't it have stopped Askin and Pernida from using Death Dealing and The Compulsory respectively, as the both did prior to being resurrected?
I agree with the ending but not so much the reasoning. I still LOVE this take. You got my like, sub, and notifications turned on! You should do Aizen (unsealed and hogyoku active) vs Juha (almighty and arm of soul king) because I feel like that would be a battle to behold
Thank you!
Love for you to redo this video now watching the end of Cour 2
The other possibility of Aizen getting the key might be that Ichigo quits before he fully completes his training and is defeated that way.
I agree that pre-almighty yhwach is comparable to EoS form Aizen, but with the Almighty he reaches a whole new "dimension" of power. There's a reason why Aizen couldn't solo Yhwach at the end.... let alone hurt him.
Aizen was also still sealed
@@lilrandy8364 would not change anything.
Yhwach at the end had absorbed the Soul King, the hands down strongest entity and creator God of bleachverse as far as the current state of the universe is concerned. And KS still worked on him. Even Yhwach himself doesn't say he overpowered KS with reiatsu, he says "KS has ended, was it pride or did it reach its limits?" It could swing either way and it's likely Aizen released it since Aizen was under the impression they killed Yhwach, meaning Aizen is relative to Yhwach powered up with the Soul King or otherwise close enough to not have his hax suppressed by spiritual pressure.
@@paranoidpanzerpenguin5262 I'd say you're not entirely wrong, but KS has been shown to work on some characters who have been stated to be > Aizen before. Shunsui also noted that, despite what Aizen said, battles are not JUST reiatsu vs. reiatsu.
Dude you killed me with the butterflaizen hahahaha
you have no idea how much i love your videos, and the fact that you try to explain everything as objectively as possible, by following the story's route as much as you can makes what you say even more credible, i also like how you realise that yhwach in his most powerful form fought a base power aizen, and that we don't know what would the outcome be if aizen was to release his full power ( also the fact that he's basically immortal and can ascend even more makes it even more interesting ). You really know how to put those things into perspective and i appreciate you so much for sharing your thoughts with us. Keep up the good work, your content is always gonna be quality, no matter what.
P.S: Do you play Bleach Brave Souls regularly? I'd like to know more about what you think of the game, how much you play it, your favourite things in game, maybe even an account showcase.
Again, thank you so much for the content and stay safe.
The certain scenario is that Ichibei would slap Aizen back to the Sereitei, allowing Aizen to evolve and have a new plan.
Or just let Aizen burn up in the barriers between the soul palace and soul society like he was going to with Yuha.
He wasn't even worried that it wouldn't be enough to kill Yuha no doubt he wouldn't worry about Aizen lol
@@TenguXil again, Aizen can just regenerate and evolve beyond Ichibei with a new plan, it isn’t confirmed that Ichibei knows about how powerful Aizen’s Regeneration, and even if he does know about it, that doesn’t matter as Aizen can evolve from anything Ichibei throws at him.
@@Shinigami-gm9mf don't forget Ichimoji power man, the zanpakuto can take away your named and renamed you something worthless, he can made Kyoka Suigetsu into a useless sword which forcing Aizen to used his bankai if his zanpakuto still able to used bankai tho after Ichimoji taken away Kyoka Suigetsu's name. with Hokyoku, Ichibei can used take away Aizen's named and the Hokyoku can no longer recognised Aizen as his master
See this is a good what if video, not any of that "WhAt iF YHwacH wAS a gOod GUy" bs, nice work
I literally love listening to these idk y I just find them very interesting
22:49 Whew! Me too! There are SO MANY variables to solve the question and a lot of them are not fully identified!
Oooft now you have to consider 4 Bankai so powerful that the realms shudder
They still don't even touch Monster Aizen.
@@akapilkabruh he gets solo by the "grain king" if she goes full strength
@@Dontappo you have no clue about this.
Monster Aizen was able to harm Dangai Ichigo. Dangai Ichigo is a threat to SK Yhwach, and you're saying Kirio can even touch him? Get lost.
@@akapilkayhwach will demolish both of them wtf you talking about?
@@Yhwach908 WHAT? Yhwach was legit wary of TS Ichigo, who is in no way stronger than Mugetsu.
The biggest question for this is if ichibei's bankai/ability can change Aizen and negate the hogyoku? Either Ichibei can negate Aizens power by changing his name and seal him; or the hogyoku can still evolve Aizen past Ichibes ability and override it kinda like how Ywach did. I'm not sure if Aizen can since pure power like dangai ichigos could stop him so I think Ichibe can too. I think ichibei's power does rival Dangai Ichigo's strength. But you could be right too lol, I'm not sure how it would go.
Ichibe is not close to dangai Ichigo not even the slightest dangai ichigo was ichigo strongest form of power even the ichigo with his true banki was still ways off from dangai ichigo. He got stronger yes but not to that love when he faced aizen.
@@kadeemdalley5851 GTFO. Wanker. You know nothing. Stating dangai ichigo was stronger than Ichibe.
GET. THE. FUCK. OUT.
pure power like dangai ichigo technically did not stop him tho, so.........
@@kadeemdalley5851 a little bit of ink and dangai ichigo loses instantly
ichigo was lame brute force on a timer
also note ichibe controls darkness aka the color black...something ichigo wears and his big attack was colored
@bsvdvj yzhhdvbf ichimonji , meaning he could still feel ichibei himself ... use some logic pls ..
Can't wait for the updated version
I have a topic for you, and believe me - it is an interesting one. Some of bleach characters worked very hard to polish their skills with their swords, but often it seems like their swords do not fit them too much. For example:
1) Byakuya Kuchiki relies on his own power and often prefer to fight up close in 1v1 fights, sooooo, something like Zangetsu would fit him way more, especially in a bankai;
2) Gin Ichimaru would really fit with Hyōrinmaru and..... ICE SNAKES.... SEVEN-HEADED ICE SNAKES;
3) Rukia Kuchiki + Senbonzakura = awesome.
So, here is a theme for at least several videos: If you could switch soul reapers around and exchange their swords, who would make best combinations and why (assuming they will have exact same amount of practice with their new sword as they had with their old one)?
*The problem with Dangai Ichigo, is that he only won on a technicality. Aizen had to be sealed because he could not be killed. The only person I think can defeat any form of Higher Aizen is Ichibei. Only because Ichibei has the ability to remove a person's name. As Urahara said, Aizen lost because the Hogyoku no longer acknowledges him as its master.*
*As for him being stronger than full transformation Aizen, I'd suggest referring to Kyouraku removing seals. That when he removed some, Aizen released more.*
Good point but I think Aizen would be prepared, he knew a lot of things maybe he had Intel on the 0 division
The Hogyoku did not stop acknowledging him as it's master. He still has it after the fact and it explicitly stops him from being executed by any means and is the reason he continuously gets more powerful while being suppressed by the chair. Whether his desire to win faltered, he secretly wished to lose, or being restrained doesn't trigger the immediate responses of the hogyoku's evolution mechanics the same way as being attacked (I think this is the most likely), the end result is still that he lost but still had the Hogyoku.
@@philliparnesen4493 Aizen no longer has the Hogyoku.. Only has immortality stop lying
@@nhlakaniphojack5056 He never lost the Hogyoku at any point and they make it clear he is in the chair because they can't execute him because of the hogyoku.... It's like not even secret.
@@almiro5451 he definetly did and pretty sure he had to have some kind of plan
I feel that as the one who is the progenitor of names and meanings, Ichibei's understanding of the Hogyoku would be greater than Kurahara or Aizen and he could redefine it as well as Aizen which makes defeating Aizen afterwards trivial.
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First of all, let me congratulate you for your chanel, you are the best! And I have to say that I really enjoy almost every video you have posted. And speakinh of that, I dunno if you have done it before, but I put this topic on the table for your consideration for a future video in case you haven't done it before already, if so please let me now.
The question is: Who do you think, is the fastest character on the series?
05:09 But it was brought it again later, one example that i can remember is from chapter 574 showing us that Zaraki was Transcendent or when Yhwach could not sense Ichibei Sword(This one is debatable for sure, since Yhwach is already really powerful)
22:20 Just a problem here, Urahara said that Aizen Kido was even more powerfull than before... comparing to Butterfly Aizen and not Monster Aizen or When he was defeated. It is really clear.
27:41 But we know what the Mausoleum does, "It takes away all of the darkness in his opponent, including their flesh, blood, and bones, until nothing is left; their destruction is so absolute that they will not even reincarnate"
29:17 In the same chapter you talk about the Hougyoku rejecting Aizen we find out from Ichigo that it was not the case, since we know the Hougyoku is about the user "whishes"
Hey I got a question. I've seen bleach manga and anime from the beginning to the end and something always bothered me about Aizen. Like you mentioned Aizen has stated on multiple occassions that he has double the amount of reatsu that a captain has but they never compare his reatsu with someone like kenpachi who is also known for his monstrous reatsu. Does this mean that Aizen only has double the reatsu of regular captains like Tosen, Komamura, Soifon, hitsugaya etc...?
Exactly
Thats the main reason y aizen planned well n got kenpachi sent to hueco mundo to avoid a clash with kenpachi
@Kyoka Suigetsu aizen understood how well kenpachi reaitsu works that's y he got him sent to hueco mundo
Kenpachi reaitsu will sky rocket when he fights aizen bcoz he turns to switch his reaitsu depending on his opponent that's y he defeated yami who was way stronger than ichigo
And don't forget kenpachi defeated unohana as a kid so kenpachi reaitsu is not up for debate
Let's end it here
@Kyōka Suigetsu He does not have more reiatsu than Yama.
After TYBW episodes 25 and 26, think there is need for a reevaluation?
Please do more of this videos!!!
Buddy, no need to ask people to like and subscribe. You talk well about good topics on a subject everybody here loves.
This video is a surprise to be sure. But a welcome one. I've always wondered how Aizen would take on Ichibei.
Edit: You make a point about the magic macguffin. The nebulous nature on the Hogyoku's limitations are the biggest problem. As far as we know, unless someone hits Aizen with a fucking Spirit Bomb, he'll just get better and better until he's unstoppable. Fucking Hogyoku, man. I really wanted to see how they'd attempt to overcome Kyoka Suigetsu. I was under the impression that simply looking at him, if he wills it, puts you under it's hypnosis. Similar to how he fucked with Juha in Muken.
That's exactly what I think too regarding the Hogyoku. It's too much of an unknown variable to be counted out so easily.
Chair Sama sealed Aizen > Butterfly Aizen
Now that we finally have gotten to see much more of what squad Zero can do, and even got a Bankai, it could be interesting to look back at this topic once the Blood War arc of the Anime is fully finished and see how Aizen might measure up to them?