I see nothing wrong with lots of single men. It’s called “survival of the fittest.” If you’re lazy, unintelligent, refuse to read a book or go to the gym, and have a terrible personality -> you are destined to be single. I worked hard to go to the gym every day at 5AM. I worked hard to become a doctor and make a good salary. I read everyday to keep myself informed and intelligent. I refuse to be shamed for my hard work. I am not a “chad” I’m just a hard worker.
@@mosesking2923 tell me, why don't you fight each and every one who stands in your way, or resists to your will, but choose the exact communication that will message your intent across, without threatening the other party? I don't know a book that teaches human communication, but did learn that around blue-collar workers personality, social ability and biological limitations reveal themselves - the team is willing to include anyone who prioritizes results, or social activity. From the simps I met, the poor socialization screamed out to anyone looking, and not pounding on their own chests the common mantras. Hard work rewards, but those who are not properly socially able will be exploited, resulting in the commonly known outcome.
So what should I do as a 23 year old. I’m trying to better myself but I just don’t hit all the check marks these women want. Mostly I’m not tall, and I have no money. Im trying to ditch my bad habits and build good ones but will that even be good enough?
Except thats not even needed. Recent studies suggest 30% of men age 18-30 are still virgins. If Thanos snapped them out of reality right now there would be a massive gaping hole in the job market. The dirty little secret is society in general actually depends on Ncels to survive.
Social media owners like mark zuckerberg purposefully designed the apps to be addicting and make people mentally sick. I could link you a video that goes indepth about this..
@@aimane3375 Wouldn't surprise me but at this point it's on us, on everyone out there to see the poison and never start using them, stop using them, stop trying to find apps like it. That's on us. We don't even need to care about the "who, why, how" that made them poisonous but only know we don't need or want that ruining our lives, fellow citizens or anyone elses. these 'tinders and grinders', every single time i hear about these apps its just a disaster or some evil thing or just plain misery and wasting time ugh.
@@jonathandewberry289 women cannot live without social media, attention for them is like oxygen they cannot live without it. So why would they shut it down?
@@SA-vz7qi my focus was more on how fast and easy it is for women to get validation and attention now.. before social media a woman had to go outside to for that attention but now she can get it for free. On top of dating apps and instagram. But yes it used to happen on a smaller scale, but now the majority of women are like that.
I have this feeling that single men will be less willing to go defend their nation when they don't have wives and children to care about especially in this environment.
Nah they may still fight for their town and many other things about their culture they like. But fighting for modern women is like fighting for a group that absolutely despises you.
Society full of lonely sad men with nothing to lose is dangerous. Then the danger is magnified when society goes out of their way to shame the lonely sad men... Recipe of absolute chaos.
@@doodlemecrzy8075 I say this all the time. Weak men and delusional idiots are running the country and doing their best to shit on hands that feeds and protect them. Russians and Chinese have their fair share of social problems, but nowhere near as western countries where people question objective reality and doing the most sick social experiment not known until Weimar Republic.
If you are a porn-addicted, video game-addicted slob who still reads comic books at age 30 instead of going to college and getting a job, you don’t deserve sympathy or respect. I see nothing wrong with lots of single men. It’s called “survival of the fittest.” If you’re lazy, unintelligent, refuse to read a book or go to the gym, and have a terrible personality -> you are destined to be single. I worked hard to go to the gym every day at 5AM. I worked hard to become a doctor and make a good salary. I read everyday to keep myself informed and intelligent. I refuse to be shamed for my hard work. I am not a “chad” I’m just a hard worker.
@@mosesking2923 It’s a chicken/egg scenario. Are men single because of the things you listed? Or do men gravitate towards the things you listed because society is apathetic towards men at best, and at worst, downright hostile? Thanks to feminism, lots of women care more about a man’s genetics than his character, leaving many men incompatible no matter how much he self improves. That said, I still believe every man should strive to reach his full potential/purpose - if not for society, then for yourself. Having said that, I don’t recall one instance of positive reinforcement towards masculinity from the media in my nearly thirty years on earth. I do, however, remember plenty of demonization towards men. Is it any wonder why men are opting out of society? Tl;dr - Why should men care about a society that doesn’t care about them??
@@mosesking2923 You are not a hard worker. You are a little slave. Keep it up. Look down on others while sniffing your own farts, I know it feels good.
@@mosesking2923 - I am a 3 time deployment military vet, who is very fit, financially secure, and has all my affairs in order. And I choose to remain single due to the risks associated with the legalized wrath of a woman's ire and contempt. No all single men are basement dwellers who live with their mothers. Personally I just look at the rates of divorce, child support, custody, odds of a cheating spouse, alimony, paternal fraud, and decide that I don't desire or require any of that. You do you, and I'll do me.
My friend tried the one man multiple females type lifestyle. It worked well until his wife discovered the other females in his life lol. Now 50 -70% of his income goes to the 3 women that had children with him lol. He’s now with one woman who gets 50% of her ex-husbands income and he is living really well because that 50% is 4 times more than his income before its given to his baby mama’s lol So in the end his children are being raised by single mothers and he’s raising some other mans children and living well off of that man’s income. It’s a truly messed up world! Lol
The world ain't messed up. It's a quiet nice place with a lot of potential. What ruins it for everyone are people like your friend (there are other bad actors of course).
One huge problem is social media: No human, male or female, at any point in history has been exposed to so many pieces of propoganda and false ideals on how they are supposed to live their lives and end up confused and depressed. We romanticize depression as a society and accept that we should live in countries with hustle cultures where if one cannot attain women or work ridiculously hours that they should be subject to ridicule. I sincerely hope that changes and that if anyone reads this comment, they no longer judge a man or anyone based on their ability to find a woman or attain a high degree of wealth at such a young age.
i agree. plus theres so many underlying issues at play as well. the way the world is structured now is leading to issues that 100 years ago didnt exist. the unrealistic expecatations asked of todays youth for many will make the already manic depressive people worse than they already are. it will only worsen as time goes on. i cant see a bright future for relationships given the way of the world built these days.
Nah, many of the issues modern society has already existed since forever. There was a short period where everything looked better, but just looked. Social media is a tool, instead of blaming TikTok I am thankful that showed me what women are: without any hindrance they proved they don't love, pick the most useful man for her, and drop ot as soon as could get a better one, wich again happened all throughout history
I really wish, the west never reached our continent(africa) not to be offensive, but african culture was way more stable and everyone didn't lack coz we provided by ourselves from the land and content. Western ideology is just inconsistent
A society filled with hopeless permanently single men who have no reason to support the system. This will not end well. Either though indifference or violence
That’s a good thing. If you are a porn-addicted, video game-addicted slob who still reads comic books at age 30 instead of going to college and getting a job, you deserve to be single. I see nothing wrong with lots of single men. It’s called “survival of the fittest.” If you’re lazy, unintelligent, refuse to read a book or go to the gym, and have a terrible personality -> you are destined to be single. I worked hard to go to the gym every day at 5AM. I worked hard to become a doctor and make a good salary. I read everyday to keep myself informed and intelligent. I refuse to be shamed for my hard work. I am not a “chad” I’m just a hard worker.
@@mosesking2923 Unfortunately the average person isn’t like you The average person just wants enough money to afford a house, car and to drink themselves stupid on a regular basis without fearing bankruptcy The hard working doctor is not typical and survival of the fitness has been dead since Homeless people can be fat in this country. Reality is often disappointing and the people around aren’t always the greatest
@@salamiswami5456 Indeed they know nothing. They make fun of hobbies and a back scratcher for lonely people, figuratively speaking, as if being a knuckle dragging no nut November meat head obsessed with sports and working out is somehow better. Then they assume that lazy people are unintelligent, when maybe the reason they are unmotivated is because they are aware enough and smart enough to realize that the whole system is rigged and is more or less a joke and not really worth much effort in the first place.
What sucks is how relatives start thinking there’s something wrong with you if you haven’t had a girlfriend. Like yes there’s all kinds of mental issues I have but I’m not some crazy bastard. I’m not a “ticking time bomb”. I’m just trying to heal from past trauma. I’m behind and that’s all that is. But I mean that’s what society will say. I don’t even want a relationship right now because I bring nothing to the table. I need lots of alone time right now.
@Vampire Mïlf well the sad reality is it is easy for others. The have normal levels of self esteem, so getting a girlfriend or even many dates is a sign of a normally adjusted person. The issue with someone being behind is the mental issues and problems from anger/loneliness/outcast/negativity that stack on top of each other leaving you in a cycle that you may never break free.
@Succubi Mïlf I think they understand because they still hear about it. I myself still have these issues but as you get older people expect you to resolve your own problems and take accountability.
@@viralt487 what about me, I'm training really hard in triathlons to win iron man one day, it's a lot of training and I don't need a handle brake on my life because I don't have time, I'm very fit physically and mentally and I'm 30, never had a girlfriend in my life.
U see the problem is u think love is a necessity in one's life for happiness but it's not. People like to often categories others, in this instance it's if u have a partner it equates to a healthy individual, but that's not the case, look at the Buddhism and the monks. Self love exists. What you should be talking about is the individuals love he received during his upbringing.
I am a male, Dutch and a virgin at age 33. I would consider myself an incel in my earlier 20s but not right now....its more like loneliness. I have learnt to cope with it but yeh....the ever changing society kinda looks scary to even put myself out there. Im in no meens psychologically unstable in the sense that I would be a threat to society....but weirdly I do feel like it would be interesting to see society collapse on itself...in the way its going.
I'll drink to that. I'm 44, and haven't had sex either. For the longest time I believed it was loneliness, but society labels people like us as a problem when in reality society itself is the problem. I was in love in a woman for 3 years, then she suddenly ghosted me over a year ago. Now I have accepted that I will never have a partner in my life. Such bliss.
Truth is: People treat men who can't get women like shit, which further decreases these men's self esteem. This of course causes a lack of confidence. It's all a viscous cycle that only the lucky ones manage to break out of. You can say "just don't care" all you want but it's human nature to preform better in general when you have positive reinforcement rather than negative. There is no "victim mentality" to this. It's literally everyday life for some unfortunate people.
the funny thing is that in todays society everyone is walking around with a chip on their shoulder playing the victim. But when a straight white man does it his giving all types of names for it. What makes this funnier is that while all these groups want to claim systematic opprestion the only group that has legal advantages over the other are women. but no one wants to talk about that.
@@JSmoothGamer just used it to emphasize my point. I also put sexuality in it if that counts for anything. Non of what I said is meant to imply that only white men have issues with how men are regarded in their communities. As a blackman myself I would say the destabilizing of the relationship between men and women is more pronounced in our community due to general poverty and government aid (ironically). And to my knowledge stuff like this happened in Japan and other eastern countries long before it started happening in the west. if that's your problem with my statement.
also keep in mind that men account for 52% of the population which aside from deviations of homosexual relationships that their is man for every woman but not a woman for every man. So women have a better range to select from. Nature can be cruel to the non genetically blessed.
@@ghosttheprogram6973 sadly we need to be talking about this. We need government, policy makers, social Workers, economists on board to discuss these issues For better social outcomes for all.
Met my 1st wife at 17 & married her at 19. Being married gave me purpose as we bought a home, had kids & for 10 years she was awesome. But then she got tired of being a housewife & left me for bigger, better, stronger & financially destroyed me in divorce court. Bottom line: I wish I never married, modern marriage offers nothing but pain for a man.
@@ghengiskhan9308 What happen was the kids disliked their stepfather & they came with me every weekend & on Sunday's they used to beg me not to bring them back home to mom. After 3 years of marriage she divorced the stepfather & jumped on the D carousel, & the kids were with me 50% of the time. Both son's graduated with engineering degrees & are doing well with a wife & kids of their own.
I agree 100% I did choose to marry that woman. My #1 complaint regarding marriage is that the divorce courts by default exist to financially rape men & separate men from their children. @@spiritofalaska
Aside from the Disneyfication of relationships, I think a lot of it has to do with the overbearing tolerance stuff because I see people constantly encouraged to "drop them, they're toxic, omg girl, you don't need to put up with that." A lot of the time it's not toxicity, it's just normal conflict, and nobody withstands the normal conflict anymore. They use "toxicity" as an excuse to just drop people and not face the hard conversations, and you can't maintain a relationship if you can't have the hard conversations.
It's so funny, right? I know that a lot of people either go to therapy or cope with their problems through the mentality of "everyone else is toxic, drop them". I personally believe there ARE indeed toxic people that are beyond helping and converting into well adjusted individuals. But this culture of "toxicity" in which I doubt, when not outright deny, that any of the therapists or stand-ins for therapists these people have, ever tell this people in the second person "YOU are the toxic one, YOU need to change". It creates a climate where we just discard each other and stroke our own ego. It's never worth it to try to struggle to make things work, because everyone just discards. Nobody is toxic except everyone else. Selfishness is the ultimate goal and we have even come to patholgize altruism with labels like "white knight". Sure, it's not real altruism to do things to get something in exchange, but I do believe that the reason why we pathologize those behaviours (being nice to the other person so that they like you in return, which at worst is just reciprocating a pro-social attitude, i.e. if not romantically, socially, a society should appreciate individuals that help, contribute and do sacrifices) while saying that it's much more normal to be manipulative, aggressive, grab what you want, hurt, hit, cheat... Because at least that's "more honest than doing nice things so others like you". Moral of the story: never, ever help anyone. It's a lot of wasted effort. Did your parents or society or religious morals tell you that you should feel good when you help, that you should feel bad when you don't, that cooperation, collaboration, giving second chances and a mutualism and reciprocity in which you help other people stand back up when they fall, because you would like others to do the same for you...? Well, I've got news for you. You're actually the worst type of person in the world, because your attemp to make the world a better place in hopes that other people will do the same for you is actually very selfish. It's even more selfish than being outright selfish.
Part of this is because of social media and hypergamy. Women used to only choose from a small pool of Men in the local villages. Now, they have access to a MASSIVE pool of Men. They always, always, always think that they can do better. Until they can't. Infinite choice combined with female innate indecisiveness is a curious combination.
Damn, this comment hits me hard ... my ex girlfriend said that our relationship was toxic but just like you said it was just normal conflict from time to time, I never insulted her, we didn't even yell at each other but I would call her on her bullshit and she didn't like that, then bam she went on vacation with another guy that was just a "friend" despite the fact I was here for her every time she was sad (she was depressed and I encouraged her to see a shrink), I encouraged her when she was stressed by her exams and so on ... crazy how a person can call a relationship toxic just because there is conflict sometines especially that she had quite a temper too
@@sangotunk8043 Yeh, it's hard to be there for someone who isn't 'there for themselves'. 😢 When someone isn't ready to acknowledge their own sides of the 'toxicity', it only means that the other person has to take all the responsibility for any issues, and that's not a relationship. Just just enabling 😑 I'm sorry you dealt with that, and I hope you've seen happier times with someone who appreciates you. 😊
for some men that works just chilling in the mountains for years is easy for them and for others they need someone in their lives consistently to not be lonely I would even say that's the norm.
@@creeperkingdom3190 it’s nothing to do with feeling, it’s the biological framework reacting to an absence of available mates. It’s a primal thing that does override reason. It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s a question of do you want a stable and safe society or a dangerously unstable one.
I was saying this in 2010. It nearly destroyed my career. I left the topic alone and went to work instead. Now 12 years later, people are finally asking “why are so many young men committing violent acts?” Unmarriageable men are a volatile social force. Consider too that ascendant young women in positions of institutional leadership will preferentially hire men based on the natural algorithm (looks, height, success). So society needs to answer its own question: “why are young men with no marriage prospects who have vanishing hope of professional success committing acts of mass violence?” Hmm. I wonder why.
Western society is becoming violent because men, especially young men are being treated like shit. That's a fact. Of course they will lash out. No attention, garbage low paying jobs, no pussy, the men will get angry. Can't have a society where only rich and very good looking men can attract women. Some men will move to Asia, find a GF and be happy. Most Western men don't have that option though.
The lesson on polygamy is that it never turns out well. The women are jealous of each other and basically hate each other. The kids don't recognize each other as full brothers and sisters and off each other later in life. They don't even respect the father or mother fully in life and abandon them because the children can't bond with their parents because the parents attention is spread so thin with all the kids half brothers and sisters, concubines etc. Polygamy always falls flat and just creates chaos.
@Perturbed Atheist It only works by enslaving the sexless men. Farmers don't typically get rich, therefor in this system they would be sexless, people starve without farmers, therefor slavery.
@Perturbed Atheist it create alot of civil unrest. why More advance muslim countries have very high monogamy rate. how ever they arrange marriage which is more efficient of form monogamous bonds than dating. how ever they turn it into match making because they allow the women to say no to the match.
@Perturbed Atheist studies have shown it create unrest. Those who are virgins have zero worth in society. they usually turn to crime. think about it your work created where the alpha get more love than you. If refuse to go along and not work then alpha wealth will collapse. also society will collapse because a lot jobs that society needs are low pay. this is why romans had monogamy because democracy work better with monogamy.
@Perturbed Atheist How it "works"? Polygamistic societies are unstable and violent. In every single developed country you have enforced monogamy. That's what works. How can people be so blind, you have everything literally in front of your eyes and still can't see. Monogamy - rich western societies (japan, china, russian too). Polygamy - perpetual wars in middle east and africa. Polygamy forces young men to "conquer" and go to war if they want to have woman literally only way is taking it away from neighbours (other tribes or nations). If they don't have neighbours they can steal women from with force (aka our "civilized" societies) they will turn on system itself.
You mean in one country that a norm is arranged marriage and the other that spent a decade killing off its women and now regretting it? Perhaps they should broaden their options. But they probably would never do it, cause it would require more effort. What man wants that.
I'm single and celibate. But I am not a threat to society. In fact I prefer being by myself. I barely go out except to shop, work, and attend church. I avoid women like the plague. No one is in any danger from me!
my close friend is with ya on that. ever since his last breakup he avoids going out alone. i usually go out alone but to certain areas where i can be alone. its not as bad some make it look.
Of course you’re not dangerous. But, your happiness is still important. Being with someone is not the end all. Romance has been branded and become a replaceable commodity. And, the grass is greener on the other side is deeply seeded. Finding someone who is not a narcissist and someone who shares your fundamental values is near impossible. Then there is the hard work of sustaining a relationship when everyone’s expectations are so high, including ourselves.
Black pill guys don't "hate" Chads and Stacies, though they might resent them a bit. They simply acknowledge the reality their existence. I'm not BP, btw.
Why should any man strive to "do better" and "compete", when the quality of women these days is so low that it's not worth the effort. That doesn't make men less masculine or inadequate, it makes the women not worth fighting for or trying to impress. But these days it's the general quality of people, man and woman alike that has degraded. This is the worst time to be alive, truly.
Thats what kills me..women fuckery is through the roof but the solutions offered to men are always about how deal with and accept her fuckery...instead of simply dropping the fuckery.
People need to understand that just because you’re a single man doesn’t automatically mean you’re an incel Second of all there’s nothing wrong with being single and waiting until you find the right person it’s nothing to be ashamed about
Whats wrong is that you can't reconcile *sleeping around* with *wanting a happy relationship* you ether commit to one or the other but you can't play liberal dynamics with psychology and expect both to just fall into your lap. for males and females respectively
@@bibaolaitan5189 because unlike women, men are judged by their ability to gain sex from women , soceity and men and if he fails to do so or does not wish for whatever reason he is still considered a failure or hates women. there is no such alternate treatement for women in general as it is for men , to not see this one would have to lack a lot of insght , perception and just awareness in general. its not rocket sceince but im a be blatantly honest , you spam clap emojis I dont think anyone who uses emojis have ever been intelligent muchless aware.
Thats fine. Best to keep lames (men and women) off the market. Lol when divorced favored men…women were abused and and trapped in toxic relationship with more children than a family than her mind, body, and the whole family can support. Now that the risk for both parties are more proportionate to what a woman and man would contribute to a household…men are pissy. And thats fine. Please stay off market. Your are a hero.
@@weaksupremacy3799 the violence will boomerang right back at them. Who are they to make others suffer for their Choices and lame lives? God exists and he would never let such losers win in life amen
We live in a simp-ecomony, men in relationships or dating spend an insane amount of money chasing women. Think of all the flowers, gifts, jewelry, homes, cars, restaurants, vacations, and the list goes on and on. When men are single they are able to save a lot of money and typically dont spend much unless its on themselves. If men remain single then billions of dollars are not being spent in the general economy. The average man in the pursuit of women can easily spend $10k-$20k a year on women, now times that by millions of men. Economists are freaking out because more men than ever are not dating, and not interested in dating, and that is costing the economy literally billions of dollars.
@@Andrew--S A stupid fvcking bridal store replaced a cool store that sold board games, wargaming minis and table top rpg's in my home town. Still salty about it. Good riddance to bridal crap.
@@Bob-kn7nc thats not true, plenty of women chase after men and get rejected. This idea that only men get rejected is false, but you’ll just gaslight you.
Back in the 1980's Susan Faludi published a book called "Stiffed," in which she said that (1) as men identify their masculinity by what they do for a living, and (2) as American men lose their good paying blue collar union jobs, they will resort to a kind of ornamental idea of masculinity. This is exactly what has happened. What is missing for American men is good paying middle class jobs not requiring a college degree--the jobs that have been shipped overseas. Yet, in the present crisis, no one talks about that.
@@llywelyngruffydd8474 That used to be true when women depended more on men for resources. One problem today for men is that women are so much more independent. There is a crisis of masculine identity and it's not about women. When men stop blaming women for their problems they will begin to deal with their own.
many trades pay significantly more than white collar jobs though. i was on track to clear 100k a year as a specialty finish carpenter after 2 years lol Mining same thing, not even 2. You cant ship those overseas
Interesting to note is that I've seen that couples that marry while one or both are successful during an economic boom are more likely to divorce when the economy crashes (as in 2008). Those that married when both were poorer then made money or stayed the same tended to stay together. The possible reason is that the latter knew they could survive an economic crash since they already had the foundation. The former didn't so ended up blaming each other and separating
Another reason could be that they didn't get together due to their economic status. Meaning, they found something else compelling in one another that was not defined by money or status. So if these couples attain success then lose it, they won't leave each other because the foundation of the relationship was not founded on status. Conversely, if money and status is a big reason you are with your mate then once that's gone so is the reason for staying with that person
@@beneficent2557 if you can date women while you're college aged, you probably should. Maybe don't get serious in college? Statistically you're much less likely to get divorced after age 25. Age 32 seems to be the sweet spot for marital stability, after that, divorce starts start trending up again.
A lot of the stuff said in this sphere is generally true, however, focusing on how unfair it all is and how disposable we are is not the right way. No woman is going to want to be with you if you're bitter and resentful, and, more importantly, you'll be miserable. Your energy is valuable, don't let them manipulate you into wasting it.
I don't know, for men, it's kind of like realizing you aren't good enough to go pro. Your life isn't over at that moment, you just have to switch gears. I'm no stallion, but I have success, it's just as I've gotten older I realized that relationships are work. The best time spent in a relationship is a year, tops. At least for me. I think a lot of guys will have the ability to step out of the selfless idea of bring a husband and father and focus on things that make them better or things they actually desire to do.
When is someone going to show, what going to happen next! I’m 53 single male, blue collar worker, I’ve worked all of my life, I live beneath my means, I have pretty reasonable retirement savings, own my own house & everything in it. Now I’m getting hit on by women in their 50s that have nothing, except multiple children to multiple fathers that are living on the welfare system! I’m not interested in buying last week’s non winning lottery ticket!
As a single 55 year old self employed, debt free home owning female getting hit on by tired, old, grumpy, lonely, men, I feel your frustration - but, i'd much rather live happily alone than settle on damaged and cynical.
The problem is I think a lot of "average" people or even slightly above average people do actually have options. They just don't like their options. A lot of the dating market's problems would be solved if the average person actually took a good hard look at the mirror and asked themselves "Would I date myself" Just imagine if the average man and woman would exercise 3-4 times a week and would cut something unhealthy out of their lives like drinking soda just imagine how much more attractive both genders at the average level would become.
@@laa2871 You could try to date a younger man - of course, it will cost you a few bucks - you'll have to take him to dinner, and pay for almost everything - Your other option is to simply stay alone for the remainder of your life. The guy who has assets, property, etc., is not interested in women who are 55 yrs old -unless maybe, they are from a 3rd world country, and believe men are important.
@@jlang7705 There is no way younger men are physically attracted to them for more than one night. It is such a pointless relationship. They should aim for men 65+
I think it’s more about being alone, then being a single man. Studies show that men mental health is best at big sporting events (think World Cup). Most generations past had some sort of collective brotherhood. The individualistic and consumer driven culture we now live in is the key factor here.
Male mental health definitely improves when succeeding in competition...it’s kinda why I get confused by this hypergamy stuff. Like it kind of writes-off and completely dismisses just how powerful the male competitive drive actually is. Like this is the same gender that forged society as we know it, battled each other and the terrain, developed the majority of infrastructure and technological innovations around us, overcame immense obstacles and bent the land to their will...and apparently now, are suddenly incapable of finding a new strategy to show off and impress women all because a grand total of two generations of women read more books and could buy more things. Like I know the internet is quite polarising but I don’t think of men as that pathetic
@@viralt487 wait? So you’re saying strong men are rare and then you’re saying weak men don’t reproduce and die. So what about all of us? Are our parents strong men or weak men? If only strong men reproduce then that means there’s lots of strong men cause there’s 7 billion of us on the planet
If those men who are left behind and have no incentive will care less about what happens to society. They won't participate in saving it and will watch as the world burns..
They won't keep getting these stupid V-shots because our government are telling us we're racist if we don't. Trudeu did actually say if you don't go and get it done you're mysogenistic! hahaha
When women said that they do not need us anymore let them see, are they right ;) As long as they won't appreciate our effort, we are not obligated to care about them. So let them meet with consequeces as well. This sword has both sides.
The only reason polygamy was common in ancient times was that the number of men was much less than women because of the dangers men faced in life (wars, hunting, fishing, etc.)
I don't class myself as an incel, but I would fall into that box if placed myself in that box. I dated a bit in my 20s and ultimately gave up. Now I am in my 30s and the level of self improvement and people skills I developed I am proud of. I don't need a woman to complete me, I don't bitch and moan, and I just live my life. I have TOO much crap to do to care. If I meet someone in the future cool. I'll have questions like any normal man, but if it happens organically so be it. I have the gym, making music, working, working on buying my first house, and getting my car re-painted to car about certain things. Live life man. It's short and hard, but it's what you make of it that matters. I dropped weight, improvement myself to be the man I always envisioned, and the momentum continues. Do what works for you and if a woman comes in your life cool beans, if not just live a life that is complete and fulfilling for you. Not easy, but worth it.
@@Stevelives13 I will do Steve, thank you so much for the sarcastic remark. I hope you and your family remain healthy and have a blessed year this year. Peace!
@Micheal Sudan Come on mate, none of that stuff is going to compensate for the most basic human desire which is to find a mate for sexual companionship.
@Micheal Sudan Amen. Being involved with my church in teaching youth, choir, band, and so on made the transition from being isolated to being part of a community. Walking dogs has given me the further step in being sociable and comfortable around people. Starting my own business made me see the risk and reward aspect of life. Everything teaches us something and we see how we can make differences in our lives and others. Doing self care, helping people, and focusing on fitness are what makes me appreciate the man I am. Just make with life what you can. There is no one size fits all, but constantly complaining doesn't make sense. God placed me here for a reason and I am doing what I can between now and my passing. If I meet someone along the way cool, but I have enough on my plate to give me fulfillment and contentment. It's a marathon not a sprint.
It's more efficient for society to advance when there is more monogamy ; more men are able to be productive in society! Never has a polygamous society gotten past the tribal stage!
I think you’re right, I’m a middle aged, single guy with no children and have decided not to strive for promotion etc., as what’s the point if you don’t have a family to support. Why should men abandoned by women and without children bother to invest in society, when we can live simply enjoying our hobbies, games, motorbikes, fishing etc.., selfish pleasures, but why not in these circumstances?
@@stonemarten1400, because there are strong psychological processes that call for you to have a meaningful life. Hobbies and games do not give you meaning. People do.
@@geraldpeace2476 you can have a meaningful life without other people, as hermits have done throughout the centuries. I’ve climbed mountains, walked coast to coast, seen wolves and bears in the wilderness, contentedly on my own and without others to annoy me. A good, faithful man sacrificing his whole life to serve a woman and children is noble and good for society as a whole, but it’s not the only way to find meaning.
@@stonemarten1400 I agree however in the cruelest sense of the word “What’s the point in being noble if there’s nothing in it for you? Why be a noble of nothing?” All you end up doing is sacrificing for nothing
@@stonemarten1400, isn't this why you're here? You are undoubtedly seeing the troubles in society today and are curious as to why they are happening. They are happening because of this mentality. Men forgot that their role in society is to hold it together. We also forget our role in the problems we are facing as a society. Each of us has definitely played a part. We have been sold a lie that we can find real meaning traveling, sight seeing, sowing our wild oats. It's exactly that. A lie. When you get to the end of that road, you will see it robbed you of everything long ago. I've seen it too many times. It gives you brief glimpses of happiness, but never long-term joy. You get that from serving others, not yourself.
indeed but you can reverse uno card that. a friend of mine did such a thing, he was friendzoned by his childhood friend and yet he accepted it, became his best version of himself and became a surrogate son for the parents of her childhood friend, easily a top tier man. when he became that, guess who tried to drop the friendzone? her and yet he didn't let her drop the friendzone. he in a way got vindicated by living well. it goes without saying she is a childless spinster who went from oh damn to oh shit, literally from elegant to elephant. live well my fellow men, that will be your justice.
I threw myself at men who were disgusted by my sex drive. You’re picking the wrong women. Like men tell us.choose better, stop being desperate, love yourself. You’ll find a mate. Or so they say.
Polygamist societies historically have largely been unstable. When there are many men who have no hope of having a meaningful relationship or starting a family, they act out (sometimes violently) or they check out of society altogether. Marriage brings a certain level of stability to society as a whole.
In Africa, societies were polygamous due to rampant disease and incessant warfare which meant that most of the children born would not even make it to their 5th birthday
@@robbenvanpersie1562 least not anymore.. they don’t need us since being in work force if they do. They find some sucker to leech off of or to control him
Chad can have my would be wife, I don't want to have to live up to anyones unreasonable hypocritical expectations. I prefer my time, my schedule and ultimately my freedom. Feminism really freed men from having to be responsible for them, never forget that!
You know all in all I think that is where I will fall on this subject " I'm going to be myself and not try and be something I'm not if you want me sure but if you don't then that's fine to "
This! Men no longer have to be financially responsible for women and women no longer have to be mothers and caretakers of grown men. Don't let anyone push you into taking care of another adult. Instead men and women can appreciate and care for one another as people. Divide up the work of living together as you see fit within your relationship, how you do it is no one else's business as long as you are both happy. I feel like everyone is missing an opportunity to work on truly figuring out how to love one another and its very sad.
Yes. thank God for radical feminism. It really forced men to wake up and realize the Western Culture, dating and marriage is not in the best interest for men. Men have been treated like expendables for hundreds of years. Glad to see men walking away from those obese feminist modern women.
You missed the point entirely. If a man is in a relationship with a woman, then he becomes bound to her, giving up his time, his money, and his ability to make decisions, no matter how trivial. Men are only free from this when they wholly avoid any relationship with women.
@@blackfish86 Except for the fact that most western women still expect men to fill their traditional gender role, while rejecting the notion of filling theirs... What women are financially taking care of men? Show me the stats... Even women who make more than most men, refuse to date men who make less than them, and if they do marry a man that makes less than them the odds of her divorcing him are high, because at the end of the day feminism doesnt override human/female nature... Modern western women are all about having their cake and eating it too and no accountability, offering men used up damaged goods often past their prime, while still expecting men to give them everything they gave their mothers and grand mothers ect. GTFO pretending like this isnt completely one-sided.
As soon as I got out of the Army, came home and realized my wife was addicted to the Lifetime channel, shows like 60 Day Fiance, I knew my marriage was in trouble. After marrying her she almost immediately began withholding sex and using it to get her way. Then when I became tired of it and didn't always "chase it" she began to pursue it with me. But even then she only did so when she knew I would reject her so she could later came the "he neglected me" card. Like I said, I knew my marriage was headed for trouble. Fast forward 13 yrs later and I've been put out of the house and getting a divorce. Am I lonely? Yeah I am, very much so. However I'd much rather deal with being lonely than endure being with someone who doesn't truly love me and was just using me, making my life hell.
Maybe guys should pick girls that chase them instead of the other way around because at least then they know there’s genuine desire that the girl has for the guy. I’ve been chasing an army guy and he’s the one that cheated on me. Dating sucks nowadays because people have no morals or loyalty.
Being single takes off the pressure of attaining specific financial goals and that has helped me ease my mental pressure recently. So this is the state I don't want to change, at least for couple of years from now
And not one single word about divorce and family court, alimony, child support. paternal fraud, etc. Men do pay attention to what happens to other men, and it isn't rocket science to go "Wow, I don't envy that man and his situation, and so I shall take steps to avoid his fate." Getting married, and staying married until your golden years, is no longer the norm in society, it's the exception. This is the part where I throw back my head and laugh.
Do you really want to be married to the same woman for the rest of your life? Having sex with only one woman for the rest of your life? Think about this seriously
@@wyleecoyotee4252 - getting married is playing Russian roulette with only one round not chambered and she's always pulling the trigger. If I wanted to get married, I would just find a lady who already hated me and buy her a house and give her half my assets, skip all the paperwork.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 In a Ideal world that's no problem, what's the issue with being married to or having sex with the same woman for the rest of your life? At some point in a man's life they should have enough sexual/relationship experience and encounter to realize that every pussy is the same if you just looking for hookups. I'm in my mid-20s and at a point in my life where sex in it of itself became nothing more than me trying out every store-brought dessert for something interesting, I want something more which is why I would like to get married. Also, to be married to the same woman for the rest of my life will be a testament to our loyalty and companionship for each other, love is a fleeting but loyalty/companionship is for forever.
@WhoBlah If you're only 20yr then you are only looking at it from a certain Disneylike perspective. I was married 18yrs and people change. Having sex with the same person for that length of time isn't all it's cracked up to be. Furthermore you're assuming your relationship or sex life doesn't deteriorate. It's awful when it becomes a sexless marriage.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 I've not looked at relationships and marriage from the Disney perspective since I was 13, either I was built different or too many men get their relationship advices from the media they consume. I personally don't believe people change, I believe that once you get to know someone very well and live with them you enter a crossroad where you ask yourself "Is this the person I want to have children with?" and "Is this the person I want to grow old with?" Now, speaking as a man who has no trouble or qualms with finding a woman to fuck, let me tell you this, I've reached a point where I just stopped caring about sex or the quality of it. Hooking up with different women over the years made me just bored and isn't all cracked up either. If I were to make a rough guess of your life, I would guess you've gotten married way too early and held on to an dead marriage too long that your youth passed you. I never assumed that relationships and sex don't deteriorate, I even said "love is fleeting" because at one point in every marriage even in healthy ones, love dissipates and the sex stops becoming exciting this is why loyalty and companionship is extremely important. Deep in my core, I rather have the companionship that I built with a woman for the rest of life, then to live as aging bachelor who have meaningless sex, but that's just me.
I honestly don’t want to deal with women and relationships. Staying single was the best choice. Relationships are too much drama, responsibility, baggage, then you have to only care what she wants while she doesn’t care about your needs. Pretty much in a relationship it’s all about her not you. I don’t want to deal with that. It’s better to be a bachelor.
At least under the old social contract you actually have authority and respect to go along with the responsibility. Now all you get is the responsibility you'd have to be insane to take that deal
I've pretty much accepted that I'm part of the ~40% of men who won't reproduce. It would be so much better if I weren't still afflicted with the biological imperative and the fiction of love.
Now if only I could stop caring because so far try as I may everytime I see a nice Woman I think hey you should go talk to her then reality snaps back in " wtf you mean talk to her no no no keep walking " but it's that brief moment of desire that reminds me I am very lonely and want someone and idk if drinking will make that go away cause if I did I'd be tempted
From my perspective it is better not to have something, than to have it be taken away. I last saw my son on his 2nd birthday, his Mum "lost" the divorce due to her stupidity. However the court readily believed her accusations about my violent temper. The only way to see him was for me to say I was guilty, get court approved anger management treatment, be at the mercy of her anger, and the courts assumption of my guilt. That was over 30 years ago, I've not seen him since.
I chose to be single after my 1st love: I gave her my heart, she took it, threw it on the ground and started jumping on it, while my best friend at the time put a knife in my back
yeah, my ex-best friend stole my girlfriend who I was actually glad to be rid of but it was still traumatic and very strange because he knew how unhappy I was with her and knew me far well enough to know I wouldnt have cared if he'd told me but he did it behind my back, it made no sense at all..was yrs ago but I still puzzle over it. She wasnt even very hot and wasnt his type and they werent together for long afterward.
As someone who has been there, the best thing you can do is try to be the best you can possibly be. Improve yourself forever and don't let resentment have a home in your heart as it will degrade your very value if you do.
slavery for Ncels is coming. The successful men simply cant do all the physical labor it takes to upkeep their harems, someone has to farm and do garbage work and those guys are going to be sexless and eventually just stop working.
@Krzysiek Mazanek Especially men who are "on the spectrum" but still fit enough to work. I recommend all men get tested for autism and if they test positive IMMEDIATELY read just how high the divorce rates are for your FIRST marriage (its 70%+)
I went on about 5 dates in my 20's and remained a virgin until I met my wife in my late 20's. In the eyes of many in the world, they probably thought I didn't have much fun during that time, but I did. There are a lot of worthwhile things to do in this world that have nothing to do romantic relationships. I read a whole heck of a lot and spent some time in the gym. I don't really get to do that stuff so much anymore. When you're single, spend your time doing stuff you can't do when you're married. Because when that happens you do take on some additional responsibilities and you have to make some sacrifices.
Great advice. At 23 years old, single, and still a virgin, I'm trying to focus on a life that is personally fulfilling for me. I've been getting back to myself after a rough time and I just think forcing a situation to introduce another person romantically in my life is not a good move. Some people seemed concerned about me being single, but I know that it's only a serious problem if I think it is.
Being alone does not cause madness or violence, as some people suggested, that's bs. It may make you sad, miserable and wreck your self esteem, but that is it. I'm experiencing extreme loneliness for years and I'm not a monster. If and when lonely people are dangerous, there are other factors involved, like a terrible education or personality disorders. I don't blame other people for my problems, because I believe in freedom and basic ethics. Besides, sex is not a basic human need and if a person does not engage in it, it shouldn't be anybody else's business. Instead of judging lonely men, society should be complaining about the bullies who shame, humiliate and discriminate us for our mere existence.
Is sex not a basic need? Friend, sex is literally the purpose of our existence. It is the only objective meaning of life. What differentiates a living organism from a non-living organism is precisely the ability to reproduce and pass its genetic code forward. The meaning felt, purpose or meaning in the life of any living being is reproduction, it is the only thing that exists between birth and death. Therefore, to say that sex is not a basic need is at least funny, because we only exist to reproduce, literally.
@@thiagovaillant It means that sex is important to human beings, but not a basic need. Basic need would be something necessary for survival, like drinking water. Lack of sex doesn't even make you unhealthy. Besides, humans are not 100% defined by natural instincts, as rational beings. You speak like you see no difference between a human and a lion.
Sex is not a BASIC human need, like eating and drinking, but it is a human need. It is the biggest stress-reliever humanity has access to, it is very good for your mental health (being intimate with someone else) and the benefits of having sex on a regular basis are numerous. Besides, for men to stay healthy and avoid prostate and testicular cancer we're supposed to ejaculate about 20 times a month. It helps when you got a GF helping out in that domain :p
@@Dalinos hell i wouldnt care about sex.. having someone to be with is even a stress reliever.. im tired of doing so much shit that doesn’t matter. Im tired of being alone. I dont want to pay for sex. I guess i aint shit it i have nothing to offer but most women in the u.s offer nothing of value. Im just tired
Reminds me of that scene from 300 “Men, what is your profession?!” It’s fantastic that society has gone above and beyond to elevate marginalized groups at the expense of men. Unless societal collapse was part of their strategy, they probably should have factored in what large groups of men with nothing left to lose do. “I gave you two choices; I could explain in excruciating detail the consequences of your actions, or you could just have fun. Did you have fun?”
@@sirwizalot7164 You hit it right on the nail, that's why porn, videogames, netflix, junk food, anime, mainstream entertainment, etc. are so readily available, it's to keep men dormant, numb, hooked to the poisons of modernity so they don't burn down the society that has promised them so much while giving back nothing in return except for disappointments and more responsabilities but without any authority or incentives to balance said expectations...
“ I know not with what weapons WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones” -Albert Einstein It is true they’re trying to Band-Aid our current situation with vices such as drugs and games, which is obviously not a long term solution. The last ditch effort of those in power to retain their power is war; Sending men with nothing left to lose to kill each other rather than allow revolt against the institutions that caused these problems in the first place. And as always women will sit on the sidelines playing the victim’s, choosing the Men who make it out alive. Whether it was ancient Greece or modern society, The expectation has always been for men to die; women have said as much. Well currently we may have lost any power and respect that comes in dying, we do have the power to choose a purpose in which we die for.
Agree. It will be "bad for society" for single men to have all the money. Save all the money. And not buy every stupid shit society tries to sell him that a woman would if she got half his money plus alimony every month
Funny how beauty industry from cosmetics to surgeries and clothes is almost a trillion dollar industry. Women after this have the nerve to claim personality matters the most.
Wouldn’t that also be indicting men showing that what men really care about is women is looks so much so that most women spend a small fortune on makeup to try and be more attractive
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 exactly. Men care about looks and women judge each other on looks. Women compete to be the most attractive in order to attract men and make all the other women jealous
It all comes down to what you want. Want a wife and family? Go ahead. Want to remain single and focus solely on what makes brings you contentment? Awesome. Lots of single men aren't a danger to society. Making men feel like they're obligated to do anything they don't feel in their hearts . . . That's dangerous.
Depends, are they single because they want ? Ok, not ideal but ok, but are they single because they're incels (involuntary celibate) ? That's BAD, that's dangerous, the amount of resentment and anger that they will experience will be so great maybe they won't care about the structure of society anymore.
@@Locke350 yes, that's how I'm using it, i know many people use it as an insult but i think that's stupid. But being one is objectively a bad thing, and it can cause resentment and anger as i said
Single men are a danger to society in more than just terrorist intention. What happens in 50% of the men stop having children? Stop working? Skip taxes? Don't show up to the war?
@Marie Baker ikr!!... its like something is wrong with the creation of men. Women re honestly comfortable being single. But men have to get violent because of it, why!!
Keep in mind China's one child policy for each couple. Lots of female babies were discarded in favor of sons. Now 30 or so years later the lack of available females and overrepresented males makes war a high probability.
There are plenty of available females that want a loving relationship and get rejected and worse. I have taken more abuse than you can possibly imagine.
@@fidykely Regardless of whether he's good or not, she will eventually resent him. 80% of divorces are initiated by women (the main reason cited is "unhappiness"). Of course, asshole cheating husbands exist. More often than not, however, the wife simply loses the feels, cashes out, and moves on. Generally speaking, wives will offer their love, attention, care, and support in this order: Her children, herself, her family, her pets, and then (if anything remains) her husband. And when they must, they'll often view him as weak for being "needy" (which only fuels further the inevitable resentment). Most modern women expect their men to offer emotional, financial, and relational support but have no paradigm to reciprocate. In their minds, he's there to care and provide for her at whatever cost. And if he cannot cut it, her social media/dating apps can provide her with a few hundred more willing simps within a few days' time.
@@emmamusic4600 for sexually/physically attractive men ofc who are the top 20% of the male populace. So basically, you dont "exist" for a majority of men.
Having been married twice and having 2 step daughters and 2 of my own, I have experienced a lot of the world in which they operate. Society seems to have convinced women that their sex organs are for literal transactions. The entitlement is sickening. Saying “no” is absolutely red rag to a bull. My step daughter moved her boyfriend in to my home at aged 14. I said no, firmly. Her mother over rode me and allowed it. Eventually, 3 years later, she and her boyfriend were sending me to bed at 10pm because the “adults” wanted to watch television. She decided to not work and be a “housewife” in MY house and her boyfriend worked on apprentice wages. She demanded, demanded, demanded and eventually I said NO. As you can predict, within 4 months she HATED me, said things like “I wouldn’t piss on his grave when he dies I hate him” and being incredibly disrespectful. Her mothers solution was to entirely blame me in that I shouldn’t have said no to her. Whilst HATING me she still lived in my home, ate my food, was driven around in one of my cars, because obviously she is the boss. This is indicative of the problem with the world right now.
@@snakeshift9172 nope. I tried that and her mother will not under any circumstances whatsoever kick her out. She smokes weed in the house, full sexual relationship at 14 and goddam does she critique my life and work ethic. I do 70 hours a week with a major disability. Her opinion is that I am a shit father because I am not at home and when I am there I am exhausted. This is coming from a kid that has never actually worked a single day.
If anything shows how insanely damaging it was Not even 40 years later and now they have a crisis where now millions of men have no hope in finding a wife
@Joey Wheeler That’s literally what’s happening as we speak Thousands of Chinese men are marrying African women right now Better a foreigner than nobody
@@MarkJoseph81 if it was a century ago China's uncounted country girls would be massive "ghost" city where the actual number is like 7 million but on official count is 300,000
There are still tons of men who don't even want a woman around and numbers are rising every day. It has nothing to do with hate, it's just the best way to live a life with a minimum risk. No responsibilities, no financial burdens, time at hand for whatever hobbies you love, nobody nagging and bossing you around, telling you how to spend your money, the list is endless... Once a man discovers the power of a single life style, it's very hard to convince him to give it up again. "Let other guys get their lifes ruined!" ...is what I hear a lot!
@Jesse Pinkman at this point i wouldnt be surprised if it happened sooner, alot of things have happened so fast that its hard to keep up with whats going on.
@@michaelvasquez6342 The most underrated comment on this thread. In terms of sociocultural change, I'd say the last 5-6 years are far more egregious in overall volume and pace of change than even the late 1960s (our most recent comparison). We've also lived through extraodrinarily rapid technological progression during our lives. I'm 47 now. I remember growing up with an Apple IIe (one among the first few publicly available personal computers) and cassette tapes for my tunes. Look how far we've come, and how stressful ALL this change can be!
I'm finding more women are now happily single and childfree as well, even happening to younger women. Which is why there is a declining birth rate in the west, both men and women are choosing the single and childfree life.
All I know is that most men I know play 2+ hours of video games a day regardless of being single or married. Not saying games are "evil", but they one of the strongest distractions men have right now, and I believe we are seeing men be selfish by avoiding community through sinking time in the virtual world more and more.
@@fenix4553 Ok? Even if that were true in its entirety, it just does not change the fact that becoming a hermit and choosing to not care about others is simply a selfish decision. Yea, go figure, most people wont give a flying crap about you or me, but we can still choose to care what happens to them and their kids.
@@someone-ji2zb So what should men do then? They clearly can't get girlfriends or be welcomed by society anyway. People are giving up not by choice, but because they are rejected.
The current dating market i a recipe for social disaster. Boys growing up without any chance of a relationship will have few qualms about being recruited to various types of extremism. What do they have to loose anyway? I would think it is not so much that no one loves them, but more so that no one will accept their love. THAT is actually an even worse rejection.
That's an overstatement IMO. Having a woman or a family isn't the only thing that propels you through the life. Sure, there are people who would end up just as you say, but not many.
@@JK-jt3lr- One thing people refuse to address is the single motherhood rate that is only getting higher. The vast majority of these men were raised by single mothers. They never had a father figure in their life. Women create monsters and now they bitch about them. Let’s not forget, women spent decades saying “my body, my choice,” and telling men to mind their own business. That’s exactly what they’re doing.
I haven't had a girlfriend in ten years. There is obviously nothing about me that any woman finds desirable. Sometimes the loneliness is too much to bear, especially since I don't really have superlatives in other areas of my life either. It is incredibly devastating when you see the reality of how useless I am entirely.
Go watch fight club once you done apply for a sport of your choice while setting a goal make sure not to quit unless 3 month of training has passed no matter how painful it gets good luck
Ask yourself this - "What is you being _useful_ but a convenience for others?" Tools have a use, do you strive to be a tool? That's your old programming speaking, from the old Matrix where your value was related to how much good you can do for society. Now realize society doesn't give a sh*t about you and be free from all obligations towards it. _"With great power comes great responsibility"_ however, the opposite is also true.
For me it's simple, it goes beyond gender and sexuality. For me its a lack of trust in people, i never take them seriously just like how I never underestimate anyone. Ive lived my life wasting and chasing not knowing who I really was or what I really wanted, now that i know what I want now and who I am, those things obviously they are and become trivial, something not of actual worth. I have to stay on top of my shit daily and cant afford any distractions. I also just really learned how to enjoy alone time, something I learned to value over time, weather its staying in your room enjoying a nice meal or activity, or outside in complete isolation. The world is full of bullshit, and getting away actually is more saving than getting involved. Not having people around makes me feel much better. I learned to be the best version of myself this way and it's great, the only people that mean the world to me is the small handfull of family i have in this earth, and that's better than a hundred mfs that im not so sure about.
I really appreciate this sentiment and perspective. I have a similar take myself. At this point ; American society is so disgustingly demoralizing to partake in that I'd rather not interact with it as much ; and to the extent that I have to, it's as little as I can get away with. Life is a hell of a lot simpler without all the BS of modern society.
I’m done with marriage and relationships, it’s not worth the stress or pain, fellas, hit the gym, invest and save your money, travel the world and make a good group of long lasting friends, women are not worth the trouble.
90% of men can no longer date or find anyone worth dating. It's just Leftist Shaming language. If you had to work for free, and decided not to work, no one would call you work shy or lazy because you don't get paid. Work is something you for pay because you wouldn't do it for free. When guys have to jump through a million hoops, We get abuse, spend our time and money to get rapidly replaced by some Chad who's just wanting to F Or a F'boy as girls call them.... Fill in the blanks! Dating just really isn't working for guys now. Incel is just a guy who's still trying. I went MGTOW and went from being skint to balls deep in crypto. When guys give up Dating, life gets better!
Being alone will cause madness. I know, I've been living with this madness for my whole life. I struggle with not letting it out and ruling my life. I put a lot of mental energy into it, and then on top of that I have to try expend more energy to get out of that isolation that drives me into madness only to encounter women who treat me like I'm disposable. Just dealing with them and the heartbreaks add more stress. I wonder how much I can take before I break
I'm in the same boat as you. It only gets worse when you realize that breaking won't fix anything. The world won't take a time out for us. We might be the first generation to fail due to being deemed "ugly" when in reality we aren't. We must be the first generation to say no to sloppy seconds if we want any future generations to have a chance. Good luck out there I'm sure things will get better even if they have to get worse first.
It weird because where I live the type of man you are is attractive. But I feel because we are a third world country, women here are often judge as “fake” when approaching guys from other countries. “After the money”. When in reality, in other countries men are less violent, better at communication and act more civilized than some (not all) men in our country.
I'm 100% on your side, days and months pass by and I don't feel like I'm living in that time, even though I have a muscular and shredded physique and recently finished law school but I am really isolated also mentally I often find myself being disgusted by people and hating them for living like a coward, I just don't fit in I think and without my girl it feels like my soul disappeared, I'm just functioning at work and in sports really hard to describe to you guys
The problem isn't single men or as a few pointed out sexless men. But rather, it's women who overvalue themselves and the men who can get some, indulging in fast food of sex.
Oh man 🤣 this argument is pure entitlement. Seriously, if fat/ugly women began forming groups and threatening society because they were celibate, do you think you'd start blaming men for not being with them?
I think this generation is just going through a much needed break from each other. The Love conquers all attitude has been disproven and it's not necessarily a bad thing that a generation holds back from each other and the birth rate drops. This world has nothing left to discover and countries are plentiful with people. I believe the next generation will come back around and have better relationships with their peers, be it friends or committed partnerships.
I love your programme...I recently moved to a small college in the US and there is nothing for single males in their 40's -this contributes to the epidemic of loneliness which is now a serious public health issue. This leads to many emotional and mental health issues and can manifest in so many unhealthy ways. Have you ever dealt with this situation in your pod cast discussions?
Very good! Thank you! Almost every discussion of this topic is filled with venom. You guys provide constructive feedback & propose solutions. This world needs more people like you guys.
This podcast came to mind with recent events today: China's massive military buildup (with the numbers of males who will not find wives?), and Japan's current construction boom in central Tokyo and rebuilding in disaster-hit areas (keep those healthy young men productively engaged!)... I agree with Vincent Harinam. Just leaving men-without-mates to the vagaries of "the market" is not a good idea.
They wont find them in Taiwan either. Iran has constantly lowering birth rate aswell. Ukraine has an extremely low birth rate too. This time they can't use war to solve the incel epidemic.
The Buddhist culture and Christian culture used to have monasteries for men to go to, to live together productively and have companionship and meaning to their lives.
I've known alot of guys that had a hard time meeting anyone. Pretty lonely, years going by, perhaps life in the end. So many out there in this spot. Hard fact is that women are way way more attractive just by being them selves, attractiveness in men is rarely judged by the same standards and requires something more. That's reality. What confuses me, often, is the lack of effort. If finding a woman truly is a priority, then do everything in your ******* power to make it happen. Sculpt your body to its best, throw yourself into challenging experiences that build character, test yourself every damn day like a mad man. With this kind of grit any man can become attractive. But it's hard work every day and it never stops and it never should. So many of these guys just won't do it though. As if their lot in the world was already set, seeing only injustice, going back to old ways wishing tomorrow would magically change. It can be so frustrating to witness, especially if it's someone dear.
To be honest, if what it takes to get and keep a woman is to "test myself every day like a mad man", I don't want one. Sometimes I want to relax. It kind of feels like getting into huge debt to buy something expensive. Sure, you have it, but the enjoyment you get from it will pale in comparison to the stress. I'm all for self improvement but I don't want to make my life hell just to get women.
@@mikeb6383 it's nice getting comments on old posts, seeing all the shit I put out there coming back to haunt me. Haha I mean, If a girl is the goal than yeah, I'll have to work for it. Not much else to do about it because of the competition. Sounds stupid but I think letting go is the real key, so you're probably on to something. Working hard like a mad man for reasons within though. Even for any reason but the girl. Strange how things work, how attraction work.
There are men like Tom Brady, who did just that, and they still got divorced because their wife got bored. Even if you’re 10, that doesn’t mean she’s going to stay.
@@ravenzyblack think that's the ebb and flow of life, like built into the fabric of things. The comings and goings. What's crazy is that in letting go, like really living as it's only momentarily, it ups the odds for it sticking around. Anyway, I still wholeheartedly believe that stupid hard work is the only road to a worthwhile goal. The trick is probably to always have worthwhile goals beyond those that get achieved. Because obviously everything goes and gets old at some point
@@JackVogel2024 that’s where I’m at bro. Letting go, throwing myself into the stuff I want to do and working to feel like I’m attractive as a man, unattached to any particular outcome. The bit about Socrates saying that man needs to see the beauty and strength that he is capable of. Scott Pilgrim fighting for himself, not for a woman. That’s what it’s about.
*7 things to quit for all Male:* 1. Caring about what others think 2. Not believing in yourself 3. Following Kardashians 3. Not prioritizing your health 4. Wasting your precious time 5. Chasing meaningless relationships 6. Wasting or draining your energy from beating your meat 7. Nailbiting/nailpicking habit for good (if you do it - consider stopping it as it makes you mentally weak + affects your confidence and all other areas of your life!) Take it easy and I hope you found one thing helpful in this list.
great list fam, off the bat I'd change #3 to : watching anything on corporate programming, tv or radio they control it all but they so weak they cant kill us by force they must convince us to consent to death
Sixty years ago, or so. Traditional, Religious, Conservative types worried about "The Pill" and what the long range implications of birth control would do to our Society. Every decade since, every sign that those concerns might have a valid point, they were dismissed, laughed at, and scorned. Welcome to the Future. Would it be the worse thing to begin admitting they were on to something?
The pill was created by men and promoted by men and Roe (legalizing abortion) was decided by an all male Supreme Court. Men did not think through the consequences of the sexual revolution.
Sure it has had an impact. However, it has also saved people who have a sex drive, but no reproductive drive from making children that they would hate. Give it enough time, and every child will be a wanted one. The "Sex for pleasure only" gene will go extinct. Ages ago, the one thing that kept humankind from going extinct was having pleasure nerves in parts of the body. Now people actually decide whether they just want pleasure from those nerves or they actually want to reproduce. The other thing that ensured reproduction was an agricultural and pre-industrial economy where each child quickly became a unit of free labor and eventually became the only form of pension insurance. This excludes the Idiocracy, they can't be bothered to remember how to use birth control properly, and will be morons making more morons. I find it both tragic and humorous that in places with "Purity culture" and pretending contraception doesn't exist, teen pregnancy is a big problem. Maybe these people should make an anti-horny device if they really cared. Nah, they just want young people to hurry up, marry, and pop out a quiverfull no matter what the consequences. Also, I love how "Conservative" types tell us the free market is a wonderful cure, but then they make an excuse when it involves sexuality.
This idea was demonstrated in a beautiful mind in the bar scene. A group of women walked into the bar and John Nash figures out the mathematical formula which involves his group of friends ignoring the blonde and goes after her friends instead all his friends focusing on the blonde. This increased the chances of all the men getting laid.
But why, what's the point of a one night stand why should i take that risk when there's people out there getting paid to have sex all they while doing so with people who get tested for STD's every 14 days.
I believe that we can come together as men and women and live in harmony! But, we kinda need to ditch all the societal pressures, and expectations so that each relationship is forged according to the individuals in the relationship! It makes more sense! I think it will help the loneliness in both men and women.
Another dilemma to having multiple women to one man in a polygamous relationship is how that would exponentially constrict the genetic diversity of people, resulting in more birth defects among other issues.
Diversity of genes is not really a problem in modern times. This issue is hugely exaggerated in popular culture. What is a real problem is incest, because it creates all sorts of genetic problems, but even first cousin marriages are fine. Second cousin marriages even produce healthier offspring than an overly diversified gene pool would. Obviously the latter is never discussed in literature because academia has become overly politicized, and diversity is one of its sacred dogmas. My mother had a PhD in genetic pediatric diseases, and through her work I become accustomed with the actual data of diseases, which is not mentioned often in the media. Im not a doctor myself, so take this with a grain of salt. It is my best estimate of the situation however.
I wonder what happens in poor neighborhoods where the same Chads and Tyrones get passed around, and nobody really knows paternity. It probably already happened more than once, making even more of an Idiocracy.
@@skylinefever that happened to these two black kids either in Chicago or Detroit it was some type of Facebook video where the dude found out that the chick was his cousin I think he was talking to his grandma or someone, it was hilarious to watch but if that was you in that situation that sucks. 🤷🏾♂️
Actually it's having a lot of unemployed man is very dangerous for society. Seeing as you're probably a single man yourself, you're probably talking about yourself. Incels aren't terrorists. You shouldn't make generalizations like that. But history has shown that when there's a lot of unemployed males in an area things end badly. It doesn't depend on whether they're married or single or whether they're up a specific ethnicity or even religion. When there's a lot of unemployed man with too much time on their hands things tend to go badly.
In india My cousin sister got married Arriange marriage in ny country societal pressure so bad She makes money Her husband has never worked or had a job N he hits her n abuses her Divorce ratw is less than one percent
@@Harsha-D311 exactly we don't even know the actually data on these things. Dowry, dv and so much more. we only heard about 1 vismaya and it took 1 yr to get her justice. Imagine so many cases are hushed up. Yet men say that most of these cases shldnt be taken seriously....
im 99% sure that most women dont like me and its fine, its a bit painful but its fine life is easy when you accept reality, its better to alone than to be in a toxic relationship.
I been single for 3 years now without a single date. I just stay on my little farm and keep to myself. I would rather be single than play the games people play in todays world. People change spouses like socks 🧦. I’m just not going to be anybodies sock ever again
I'm 41 years old. I've had my share of girlfriends and most of them were train wrecks. I know there are good women out there but there are very few. I've built a very good business and made half a million dollars last year. Maybe you would call me an incel, but I am extremely picky about who I let into my life. The game is even harder for high value men
Every man that says they’re good the FIRST thing they bring up is tangible things and wonder why women only goes after those things. Never about their character or being a actual genuine human . Society really messed men up thinking all they have to do is “ provide” and thats all . Most men are not good ppl period . Emotionally unavailable, not supportive , no integrity , trained to only act out in anger or lust . What can you all provide that doesn’t include MATERIAL possessions ? Most men never can answer that . most of yall act like y’all don’t have a heart it’s scary . Also most ppl are mentally unhinged , anyone who always bring up what they got in a space full of strangers is not mentally stable . Therapy really is needed.
I have lots to offer besides money, but I've worked too hard to risk my success with a fucked up system. The system makes me cold and unavailable because it has made it a risky business decision for men to get involved with women.
Having a good relationship is work...you need to work With your partner to make it work...not add more people to the mix. I agree that "not settling" is a core saying in our society...but I also believe that most people today struggle to accept the fact that having a "average" life is actually a good thing. Many women have had to take on "male" roles because they have been forced into that situation though being a single parent or getting out of a dissatisfying relationship. Pepe need to look internally for their own self worth...not at a partner or relationship. The benefits of a healthy relationship come when you are healthy and confident with who you are.
I strongly believe that what is happening in this specific dating era is Extremely dangerous. I know so many guys who never had a girlfriend or never had sex. Its superficial to say that a lot of resentment and anger is being created by women with unrealistic standards and one way or another their feelings will come out one day.
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I see nothing wrong with lots of single men. It’s called “survival of the fittest.” If you’re lazy, unintelligent, refuse to read a book or go to the gym, and have a terrible personality -> you are destined to be single. I worked hard to go to the gym every day at 5AM. I worked hard to become a doctor and make a good salary. I read everyday to keep myself informed and intelligent. I refuse to be shamed for my hard work. I am not a “chad” I’m just a hard worker.
@@mosesking2923 tell me, why don't you fight each and every one who stands in your way, or resists to your will, but choose the exact communication that will message your intent across, without threatening the other party?
I don't know a book that teaches human communication, but did learn that around blue-collar workers personality, social ability and biological limitations reveal themselves - the team is willing to include anyone who prioritizes results, or social activity.
From the simps I met, the poor socialization screamed out to anyone looking, and not pounding on their own chests the common mantras.
Hard work rewards, but those who are not properly socially able will be exploited, resulting in the commonly known outcome.
@@mosesking2923 100% completely agree!
Fascinating clip! Please have Andrew Huberman on.
So what should I do as a 23 year old. I’m trying to better myself but I just don’t hit all the check marks these women want. Mostly I’m not tall, and I have no money. Im trying to ditch my bad habits and build good ones but will that even be good enough?
Old African saying; "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth" .
Except thats not even needed. Recent studies suggest 30% of men age 18-30 are still virgins. If Thanos snapped them out of reality right now there would be a massive gaping hole in the job market.
The dirty little secret is society in general actually depends on Ncels to survive.
That’s a great saying.
@@Syncrotron9001 you get it👍
@@Syncrotron9001 Society abuses and exploits INCELS, which are to a society what a nuclear runaway is to a nuclear reactor.
that saying is missing the part where the "child" goes to jail or faces the death penalty depending on the state
The one thing I'm now certain of, conclusively: these 'Tinder' and other dating apps are poison to society.
Social media owners like mark zuckerberg purposefully designed the apps to be addicting and make people mentally sick.
I could link you a video that goes indepth about this..
@@aimane3375 Wouldn't surprise me but at this point it's on us, on everyone out there to see the poison and never start using them, stop using them, stop trying to find apps like it.
That's on us.
We don't even need to care about the "who, why, how" that made them poisonous but only know we don't need or want that ruining our lives, fellow citizens or anyone elses. these 'tinders and grinders', every single time i hear about these apps its just a disaster or some evil thing or just plain misery and wasting time ugh.
@@jonathandewberry289 women cannot live without social media, attention for them is like oxygen they cannot live without it. So why would they shut it down?
@@SA-vz7qi my focus was more on how fast and easy it is for women to get validation and attention now.. before social media a woman had to go outside to for that attention but now she can get it for free. On top of dating apps and instagram. But yes it used to happen on a smaller scale, but now the majority of women are like that.
@@SA-vz7qi That's sounds absolutely plausible.
I have this feeling that single men will be less willing to go defend their nation when they don't have wives and children to care about especially in this environment.
This is true. Men are selfish and lack empathy by nature. They won't help anyone unless they have something to gain from it.
Of course they wont care, but dont worry military killer robots are already on assembly lines and they wouldnt have any mercy...
Nothing to fight for honestly
I won’t fight for this country. I’ll defend my parents and siblings. That’s it
Nah they may still fight for their town and many other things about their culture they like. But fighting for modern women is like fighting for a group that absolutely despises you.
Society full of lonely sad men with nothing to lose is dangerous. Then the danger is magnified when society goes out of their way to shame the lonely sad men... Recipe of absolute chaos.
Thats why mass shootings are so common in america.
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And when an enemy invades, how many of these sad lonely men will fight to defend the society which has cast them aside?
@@doodlemecrzy8075 I say this all the time. Weak men and delusional idiots are running the country and doing their best to shit on hands that feeds and protect them. Russians and Chinese have their fair share of social problems, but nowhere near as western countries where people question objective reality and doing the most sick social experiment not known until Weimar Republic.
@@doodlemecrzy8075 Military is facing a Recruitment Crisis! Not good going into potential WW3
For many men, there is…
No incentive
No respect
No sympathy
What could possibly go wrong??
If you are a porn-addicted, video game-addicted slob who still reads comic books at age 30 instead of going to college and getting a job, you don’t deserve sympathy or respect. I see nothing wrong with lots of single men. It’s called “survival of the fittest.” If you’re lazy, unintelligent, refuse to read a book or go to the gym, and have a terrible personality -> you are destined to be single. I worked hard to go to the gym every day at 5AM. I worked hard to become a doctor and make a good salary. I read everyday to keep myself informed and intelligent. I refuse to be shamed for my hard work. I am not a “chad” I’m just a hard worker.
@@mosesking2923 It’s a chicken/egg scenario. Are men single because of the things you listed? Or do men gravitate towards the things you listed because society is apathetic towards men at best, and at worst, downright hostile?
Thanks to feminism, lots of women care more about a man’s genetics than his character, leaving many men incompatible no matter how much he self improves.
That said, I still believe every man should strive to reach his full potential/purpose - if not for society, then for yourself. Having said that, I don’t recall one instance of positive reinforcement towards masculinity from the media in my nearly thirty years on earth. I do, however, remember plenty of demonization towards men. Is it any wonder why men are opting out of society?
Tl;dr - Why should men care about a society that doesn’t care about them??
@@mosesking2923 You are not a hard worker. You are a little slave. Keep it up. Look down on others while sniffing your own farts, I know it feels good.
@@mosesking2923 Spamming the same nonsense?
@@mosesking2923 - I am a 3 time deployment military vet, who is very fit, financially secure, and has all my affairs in order. And I choose to remain single due to the risks associated with the legalized wrath of a woman's ire and contempt. No all single men are basement dwellers who live with their mothers. Personally I just look at the rates of divorce, child support, custody, odds of a cheating spouse, alimony, paternal fraud, and decide that I don't desire or require any of that. You do you, and I'll do me.
A man with nothing to lose is a dangerous man.
So you're afraid of street beggars, is that it?
@@johnmilius3031 no
@@johnmilius3031 yes beggars are often junkies or drunkards and dangerous.
@@incelstate2466 "But for the grace of god, there go you."
I've got nothing
My friend tried the one man multiple females type lifestyle. It worked well until his wife discovered the other females in his life lol. Now 50 -70% of his income goes to the 3 women that had children with him lol. He’s now with one woman who gets 50% of her ex-husbands income and he is living really well because that 50% is 4 times more than his income before its given to his baby mama’s lol So in the end his children are being raised by single mothers and he’s raising some other mans children and living well off of that man’s income. It’s a truly messed up world! Lol
Holy fuck. Never get married gents.
His fault for messing around. It’s a shame he decided to continue the cycle of single parent households
The world ain't messed up. It's a quiet nice place with a lot of potential. What ruins it for everyone are people like your friend (there are other bad actors of course).
He shouldn’t have been an idiot to do that when he was married.
@@XTheSpartanX7 that’s why she should’ve done it in a country where the power of marriage isn’t in the wife’s hands(3rd world countries)
One huge problem is social media: No human, male or female, at any point in history has been exposed to so many pieces of propoganda and false ideals on how they are supposed to live their lives and end up confused and depressed. We romanticize depression as a society and accept that we should live in countries with hustle cultures where if one cannot attain women or work ridiculously hours that they should be subject to ridicule. I sincerely hope that changes and that if anyone reads this comment, they no longer judge a man or anyone based on their ability to find a woman or attain a high degree of wealth at such a young age.
i agree. plus theres so many underlying issues at play as well. the way the world is structured now is leading to issues that 100 years ago didnt exist. the unrealistic expecatations asked of todays youth for many will make the already manic depressive people worse than they already are. it will only worsen as time goes on. i cant see a bright future for relationships given the way of the world built these days.
Nah, many of the issues modern society has already existed since forever. There was a short period where everything looked better, but just looked.
Social media is a tool, instead of blaming TikTok I am thankful that showed me what women are: without any hindrance they proved they don't love, pick the most useful man for her, and drop ot as soon as could get a better one, wich again happened all throughout history
I really wish, the west never reached our continent(africa) not to be offensive, but african culture was way more stable and everyone didn't lack coz we provided by ourselves from the land and content. Western ideology is just inconsistent
A society filled with hopeless permanently single men who have no reason to support the system.
This will not end well.
Either though indifference or violence
That’s a good thing. If you are a porn-addicted, video game-addicted slob who still reads comic books at age 30 instead of going to college and getting a job, you deserve to be single. I see nothing wrong with lots of single men. It’s called “survival of the fittest.” If you’re lazy, unintelligent, refuse to read a book or go to the gym, and have a terrible personality -> you are destined to be single. I worked hard to go to the gym every day at 5AM. I worked hard to become a doctor and make a good salary. I read everyday to keep myself informed and intelligent. I refuse to be shamed for my hard work. I am not a “chad” I’m just a hard worker.
@@mosesking2923 Unfortunately the average person isn’t like you
The average person just wants enough money to afford a house, car and to drink themselves stupid on a regular basis without fearing bankruptcy
The hard working doctor is not typical and survival of the fitness has been dead since Homeless people can be fat in this country.
Reality is often disappointing and the people around aren’t always the greatest
@@mosesking2923 You know nothing
@@mosesking2923 I paid for my house from selling rare comic and video games, hell i probably more than you make sitting at home.
@@salamiswami5456 Indeed they know nothing. They make fun of hobbies and a back scratcher for lonely people, figuratively speaking, as if being a knuckle dragging no nut November meat head obsessed with sports and working out is somehow better. Then they assume that lazy people are unintelligent, when maybe the reason they are unmotivated is because they are aware enough and smart enough to realize that the whole system is rigged and is more or less a joke and not really worth much effort in the first place.
What sucks is how relatives start thinking there’s something wrong with you if you haven’t had a girlfriend. Like yes there’s all kinds of mental issues I have but I’m not some crazy bastard. I’m not a “ticking time bomb”. I’m just trying to heal from past trauma. I’m behind and that’s all that is. But I mean that’s what society will say. I don’t even want a relationship right now because I bring nothing to the table. I need lots of alone time right now.
@Vampire Mïlf well the sad reality is it is easy for others. The have normal levels of self esteem, so getting a girlfriend or even many dates is a sign of a normally adjusted person. The issue with someone being behind is the mental issues and problems from anger/loneliness/outcast/negativity that stack on top of each other leaving you in a cycle that you may never break free.
@Succubi Mïlf I think they understand because they still hear about it. I myself still have these issues but as you get older people expect you to resolve your own problems and take accountability.
@@viralt487 what about me, I'm training really hard in triathlons to win iron man one day, it's a lot of training and I don't need a handle brake on my life because I don't have time, I'm very fit physically and mentally and I'm 30, never had a girlfriend in my life.
U see the problem is u think love is a necessity in one's life for happiness but it's not. People like to often categories others, in this instance it's if u have a partner it equates to a healthy individual, but that's not the case, look at the Buddhism and the monks. Self love exists. What you should be talking about is the individuals love he received during his upbringing.
@@zzzzzx308 monks are on one end of an extreme.
Billions of men with nothing in common but hatred. What can go wrong...
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I will send out the national guard before this madness happens to our women.
@@abolisher lol what is the national guard going to do tough guy? There's millions of us incels the national guard won't do jack shit keep coping lol.
@@abolisher your neo nazi larping national guard? I’d buy that for a dollar. Imagine simping for a women
@@abolisher yeah just nationak guard and police and other institution would full of incels,mgtow and redpill and blackpilled guys lol good luck
I am a male, Dutch and a virgin at age 33. I would consider myself an incel in my earlier 20s but not right now....its more like loneliness. I have learnt to cope with it but yeh....the ever changing society kinda looks scary to even put myself out there.
Im in no meens psychologically unstable in the sense that I would be a threat to society....but weirdly I do feel like it would be interesting to see society collapse on itself...in the way its going.
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Well I'm Arubano from Aruba same here man it's a lot worse down here
Judging by the woke madness that has proliferated in Holland, I don't blame you. I would especially be mad at my government if I were you.
I'll drink to that. I'm 44, and haven't had sex either. For the longest time I believed it was loneliness, but society labels people like us as a problem when in reality society itself is the problem.
I was in love in a woman for 3 years, then she suddenly ghosted me over a year ago. Now I have accepted that I will never have a partner in my life. Such bliss.
Yeah, me too. It’s super interesting to see how modern society ends
Truth is: People treat men who can't get women like shit, which further decreases these men's self esteem. This of course causes a lack of confidence. It's all a viscous cycle that only the lucky ones manage to break out of. You can say "just don't care" all you want but it's human nature to preform better in general when you have positive reinforcement rather than negative. There is no "victim mentality" to this. It's literally everyday life for some unfortunate people.
the funny thing is that in todays society everyone is walking around with a chip on their shoulder playing the victim. But when a straight white man does it his giving all types of names for it.
What makes this funnier is that while all these groups want to claim systematic opprestion the only group that has legal advantages over the other are women. but no one wants to talk about that.
@@creeperkingdom3190 why did you bring race into this dude?
@@JSmoothGamer just used it to emphasize my point. I also put sexuality in it if that counts for anything.
Non of what I said is meant to imply that only white men have issues with how men are regarded in their communities.
As a blackman myself I would say the destabilizing of the relationship between men and women is more pronounced in our community due to general poverty and government aid (ironically). And to my knowledge stuff like this happened in Japan and other eastern countries long before it started happening in the west. if that's your problem with my statement.
also keep in mind that men account for 52% of the population which aside from deviations of homosexual relationships that their is man for every woman but not a woman for every man. So women have a better range to select from. Nature can be cruel to the non genetically blessed.
Yeah, a little compassion goes a long way.
The one-child policy was not instituted centuries ago. It was instituted decades ago. Huge difference.
Thought that too when I heard him say that.
Yeah. Makes you think if this was a simple mistake or maybe he just doesn't know what he is talking about.
So was the Sexual Revolution.
@@ZWIPPMANN he def doesn't
I think he mis-spoke there.
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@@kamrudkd the number of violent men will increase significantly
@@ghosttheprogram6973 sadly we need to be talking about this.
We need government, policy makers, social Workers, economists on board to discuss these issues
For better social outcomes for all.
Met my 1st wife at 17 & married her at 19. Being married gave me purpose as we bought a home, had kids & for 10 years she was awesome. But then she got tired of being a housewife & left me for bigger, better, stronger & financially destroyed me in divorce court. Bottom line: I wish I never married, modern marriage offers nothing but pain for a man.
What happened to the kids if you don't mind me asking?
@@ghengiskhan9308 What happen was the kids disliked their stepfather & they came with me every weekend & on Sunday's they used to beg me not to bring them back home to mom. After 3 years of marriage she divorced the stepfather & jumped on the D carousel, & the kids were with me 50% of the time. Both son's graduated with engineering degrees & are doing well with a wife & kids of their own.
A win is a win. Good for her
you chose that woman. live with your choices
I agree 100% I did choose to marry that woman. My #1 complaint regarding marriage is that the divorce courts by default exist to financially rape men & separate men from their children. @@spiritofalaska
Aside from the Disneyfication of relationships, I think a lot of it has to do with the overbearing tolerance stuff because I see people constantly encouraged to "drop them, they're toxic, omg girl, you don't need to put up with that."
A lot of the time it's not toxicity, it's just normal conflict, and nobody withstands the normal conflict anymore. They use "toxicity" as an excuse to just drop people and not face the hard conversations, and you can't maintain a relationship if you can't have the hard conversations.
It's so funny, right? I know that a lot of people either go to therapy or cope with their problems through the mentality of "everyone else is toxic, drop them". I personally believe there ARE indeed toxic people that are beyond helping and converting into well adjusted individuals. But this culture of "toxicity" in which I doubt, when not outright deny, that any of the therapists or stand-ins for therapists these people have, ever tell this people in the second person "YOU are the toxic one, YOU need to change". It creates a climate where we just discard each other and stroke our own ego. It's never worth it to try to struggle to make things work, because everyone just discards. Nobody is toxic except everyone else. Selfishness is the ultimate goal and we have even come to patholgize altruism with labels like "white knight". Sure, it's not real altruism to do things to get something in exchange, but I do believe that the reason why we pathologize those behaviours (being nice to the other person so that they like you in return, which at worst is just reciprocating a pro-social attitude, i.e. if not romantically, socially, a society should appreciate individuals that help, contribute and do sacrifices) while saying that it's much more normal to be manipulative, aggressive, grab what you want, hurt, hit, cheat... Because at least that's "more honest than doing nice things so others like you". Moral of the story: never, ever help anyone. It's a lot of wasted effort.
Did your parents or society or religious morals tell you that you should feel good when you help, that you should feel bad when you don't, that cooperation, collaboration, giving second chances and a mutualism and reciprocity in which you help other people stand back up when they fall, because you would like others to do the same for you...? Well, I've got news for you. You're actually the worst type of person in the world, because your attemp to make the world a better place in hopes that other people will do the same for you is actually very selfish. It's even more selfish than being outright selfish.
Part of this is because of social media and hypergamy. Women used to only choose from a small pool of Men in the local villages. Now, they have access to a MASSIVE pool of Men. They always, always, always think that they can do better. Until they can't. Infinite choice combined with female innate indecisiveness is a curious combination.
@@denebx4 Most will grow old and bitter alone with cats, box wine and become Karens ...
Damn, this comment hits me hard ... my ex girlfriend said that our relationship was toxic but just like you said it was just normal conflict from time to time, I never insulted her, we didn't even yell at each other but I would call her on her bullshit and she didn't like that, then bam she went on vacation with another guy that was just a "friend" despite the fact I was here for her every time she was sad (she was depressed and I encouraged her to see a shrink), I encouraged her when she was stressed by her exams and so on ... crazy how a person can call a relationship toxic just because there is conflict sometines especially that she had quite a temper too
@@sangotunk8043 Yeh, it's hard to be there for someone who isn't 'there for themselves'. 😢 When someone isn't ready to acknowledge their own sides of the 'toxicity', it only means that the other person has to take all the responsibility for any issues, and that's not a relationship. Just just enabling 😑
I'm sorry you dealt with that, and I hope you've seen happier times with someone who appreciates you. 😊
It's simple. Women don't give a shit about men's struggles. They just wait at the finish line and choose the winner.
More inaccurate manosphere rhetoric
@@wyleecoyotee4252 says the fake account
@@emmanuelnaicker2067 don't respond to that quarrelsome sperg.
True
"just grow a foot in height bro"
There is nothing wrong with being a single man
Just do what makes you happy
Cope
This is the problem, lots of men don’t want to be single.
for some men that works just chilling in the mountains for years is easy for them and for others they need someone in their lives consistently to not be lonely I would even say that's the norm.
neither is something wrong with being a single woman 💁
@@creeperkingdom3190 it’s nothing to do with feeling, it’s the biological framework reacting to an absence of available mates. It’s a primal thing that does override reason. It’s not about what’s right or wrong, it’s a question of do you want a stable and safe society or a dangerously unstable one.
I was saying this in 2010. It nearly destroyed my career. I left the topic alone and went to work instead. Now 12 years later, people are finally asking “why are so many young men committing violent acts?” Unmarriageable men are a volatile social force. Consider too that ascendant young women in positions of institutional leadership will preferentially hire men based on the natural algorithm (looks, height, success). So society needs to answer its own question: “why are young men with no marriage prospects who have vanishing hope of professional success committing acts of mass violence?” Hmm. I wonder why.
That's just a lame excuse for committing violence ...that's just their ego ...it's better to make learn to respect others first
@@victoryv116 Keep portraying young men as the problem. That’ll make them less violent for sure.
It does prove that men are naturally abusive though, if they need to be given a woman not to lash out violently. Seems feminists are right.
@@victoryv116 Be lonely long enough and who knows how that changes someone's psyche.
Western society is becoming violent because men, especially young men are being treated like shit. That's a fact. Of course they will lash out. No attention, garbage low paying jobs, no pussy, the men will get angry. Can't have a society where only rich and very good looking men can attract women. Some men will move to Asia, find a GF and be happy. Most Western men don't have that option though.
The lesson on polygamy is that it never turns out well. The women are jealous of each other and basically hate each other. The kids don't recognize each other as full brothers and sisters and off each other later in life. They don't even respect the father or mother fully in life and abandon them because the children can't bond with their parents because the parents attention is spread so thin with all the kids half brothers and sisters, concubines etc. Polygamy always falls flat and just creates chaos.
@Perturbed Atheist It only works by enslaving the sexless men. Farmers don't typically get rich, therefor in this system they would be sexless, people starve without farmers, therefor slavery.
@Perturbed Atheist Stop having sons, only have daughters. Save the boys.
@Perturbed Atheist it create alot of civil unrest. why More advance muslim countries have very high monogamy rate. how ever they arrange marriage which is more efficient of form monogamous bonds than dating. how ever they turn it into match making because they allow the women to say no to the match.
@Perturbed Atheist studies have shown it create unrest. Those who are virgins have zero worth in society. they usually turn to crime. think about it your work created where the alpha get more love than you. If refuse to go along and not work then alpha wealth will collapse. also society will collapse because a lot jobs that society needs are low pay. this is why romans had monogamy because democracy work better with monogamy.
@Perturbed Atheist How it "works"? Polygamistic societies are unstable and violent. In every single developed country you have enforced monogamy. That's what works. How can people be so blind, you have everything literally in front of your eyes and still can't see. Monogamy - rich western societies (japan, china, russian too). Polygamy - perpetual wars in middle east and africa. Polygamy forces young men to "conquer" and go to war if they want to have woman literally only way is taking it away from neighbours (other tribes or nations). If they don't have neighbours they can steal women from with force (aka our "civilized" societies) they will turn on system itself.
This problem is quite problematic in India and China, where millions of men cannot find a bride.
Imagine You take those woman in the Western countries and they going to change . And you don't want to know.
I have wondered about what gendercide would do since I was 14. I am 37.
You mean in one country that a norm is arranged marriage and the other that spent a decade killing off its women and now regretting it?
Perhaps they should broaden their options.
But they probably would never do it, cause it would require more effort. What man wants that.
India and China both killed girl child.
@@robbenvanpersie1562 What do you mean by that,?
I can confirm my indifference to society burning down…
I'm practicing my Harp playing.
I'm cackling. Everyone who made fun of me are having their lives fall apart. And all I can think is "good". Fuck this world and double fuck canada.
@@SquashGuy02134 Canada is cool, whistler and lake Louis especially
@@SquashGuy02134 Love yout attitude bro
I used to care about the enviroment but after getting blackpilled I idle my car and put garbage in the recycling bin.
There are worse things than being alone but many people never really realise it or realise it too late
Underrated
Ive been alone while around people. That was worse. A relationship isnt the solution
“Life is unfair. So take the abuse.” Nah I’d rather be single.
Or get a passport if you can afford to travel.
@@andrewhernandez2987 no
@@andrewhernandez2987Exactly. Go to South America, South East Asia or East Africa. You’ll be valued highly there.
I'm single and celibate. But I am not a threat to society. In fact I prefer being by myself. I barely go out except to shop, work, and attend church. I avoid women like the plague. No one is in any danger from me!
😅😅like the plague? I can’t even be mad at you. But there is no escape from women. They are everywhere 😅no escape
my close friend is with ya on that. ever since his last breakup he avoids going out alone. i usually go out alone but to certain areas where i can be alone. its not as bad some make it look.
I keep mentioning this, but do all of you get by with masturbation?
Of course you’re not dangerous. But, your happiness is still important. Being with someone is not the end all. Romance has been branded and become a replaceable commodity. And, the grass is greener on the other side is deeply seeded. Finding someone who is not a narcissist and someone who shares your fundamental values is near impossible. Then there is the hard work of sustaining a relationship when everyone’s expectations are so high, including ourselves.
Black pill guys don't "hate" Chads and Stacies, though they might resent them a bit. They simply acknowledge the reality their existence. I'm not BP, btw.
Why should any man strive to "do better" and "compete", when the quality of women these days is so low that it's not worth the effort. That doesn't make men less masculine or inadequate, it makes the women not worth fighting for or trying to impress. But these days it's the general quality of people, man and woman alike that has degraded. This is the worst time to be alive, truly.
in the end better men become higher women standards will get.
Thats what kills me..women fuckery is through the roof but the solutions offered to men are always about how deal with and accept her fuckery...instead of simply dropping the fuckery.
People need to understand that just because you’re a single man doesn’t automatically mean you’re an incel Second of all there’s nothing wrong with being single and waiting until you find the right person it’s nothing to be ashamed about
Whats wrong is that you can't reconcile *sleeping around* with *wanting a happy relationship* you ether commit to one or the other but you can't play liberal dynamics with psychology and expect both to just fall into your lap.
for males and females respectively
Most married men are incels and that is a statistically provable fact.
👏👏👏👏...
Funny, cos there re women that re voluntarily or re involuntarily celibate. But they dont get shit on. So why men.
@@bibaolaitan5189 because unlike women, men are judged by their ability to gain sex from women , soceity and men and if he fails to do so or does not wish for whatever reason he is still considered a failure or hates women.
there is no such alternate treatement for women in general as it is for men , to not see this one would have to lack a lot of insght , perception and just awareness in general.
its not rocket sceince but im a be blatantly honest , you spam clap emojis I dont think anyone who uses emojis have ever been intelligent muchless aware.
As long as family and divorce laws favor women. Men will opt out. Its called self defense.
Thats fine. Best to keep lames (men and women) off the market.
Lol when divorced favored men…women were abused and and trapped in toxic relationship with more children than a family than her mind, body, and the whole family can support.
Now that the risk for both parties are more proportionate to what a woman and man would contribute to a household…men are pissy. And thats fine. Please stay off market. Your are a hero.
@@WordsofHarmony There will be violence from such men. That's concerning.
@@WordsofHarmony tell em sis🙌🏼
@@weaksupremacy3799 the violence will boomerang right back at them. Who are they to make others suffer for their Choices and lame lives? God exists and he would never let such losers win in life amen
@Prepare for jihad and Islamic Revolution inshallah Troll spotted.
Never sign a contract with someone who is encouraged financially to break it.
We live in a simp-ecomony, men in relationships or dating spend an insane amount of money chasing women. Think of all the flowers, gifts, jewelry, homes, cars, restaurants, vacations, and the list goes on and on. When men are single they are able to save a lot of money and typically dont spend much unless its on themselves. If men remain single then billions of dollars are not being spent in the general economy. The average man in the pursuit of women can easily spend $10k-$20k a year on women, now times that by millions of men. Economists are freaking out because more men than ever are not dating, and not interested in dating, and that is costing the economy literally billions of dollars.
Good takes
Because a lot of single men are lonely and miserable. Men live longer in relationships with women… blame nature for that.
Yep. David's Bridal just filed for bankruptcy. More businesses that revolve around marriage and dating will go bankrupt.
@@Andrew--S
A stupid fvcking bridal store replaced a cool store that sold board games, wargaming minis and table top rpg's in my home town. Still salty about it.
Good riddance to bridal crap.
True words
This is exactly what is happening if there is no dating then there is no going out to dinner buying gifts there is no nothing being bought
Being single is the best decision a man can make
Unless women are beating your door down to be with you...is it really a decision?
@raymondcarter8915 Which never happens??? And even if it is, still no; there’s nothing to gain other than sex
Absolutely!!
@@Bob-kn7nc thats not true, plenty of women chase after men and get rejected. This idea that only men get rejected is false, but you’ll just gaslight you.
Back in the 1980's Susan Faludi published a book called "Stiffed," in which she said that (1) as men identify their masculinity by what they do for a living, and (2) as American men lose their good paying blue collar union jobs, they will resort to a kind of ornamental idea of masculinity. This is exactly what has happened. What is missing for American men is good paying middle class jobs not requiring a college degree--the jobs that have been shipped overseas. Yet, in the present crisis, no one talks about that.
Excellent point.
This might be why Trump rose up. He dared to promote "Get tough on China." Nobody else did.
Men don't base their masculinity on what they do for a living. Women base men's masculinity on what they do for a living.
@@llywelyngruffydd8474 That used to be true when women depended more on men for resources. One problem today for men is that women are so much more independent. There is a crisis of masculine identity and it's not about women. When men stop blaming women for their problems they will begin to deal with their own.
many trades pay significantly more than white collar jobs though. i was on track to clear 100k a year as a specialty finish carpenter after 2 years lol Mining same thing, not even 2. You cant ship those overseas
Interesting to note is that I've seen that couples that marry while one or both are successful during an economic boom are more likely to divorce when the economy crashes (as in 2008). Those that married when both were poorer then made money or stayed the same tended to stay together. The possible reason is that the latter knew they could survive an economic crash since they already had the foundation. The former didn't so ended up blaming each other and separating
Another reason could be that they didn't get together due to their economic status. Meaning, they found something else compelling in one another that was not defined by money or status. So if these couples attain success then lose it, they won't leave each other because the foundation of the relationship was not founded on status.
Conversely, if money and status is a big reason you are with your mate then once that's gone so is the reason for staying with that person
In other words, dont date women in college
Actually many couples that met in Uni and both started off as poor still divorce.
@@beneficent2557 if you can date women while you're college aged, you probably should. Maybe don't get serious in college? Statistically you're much less likely to get divorced after age 25. Age 32 seems to be the sweet spot for marital stability, after that, divorce starts start trending up again.
I met my husband is grad school and we are happily married 26 yrs today (June 7th 2022).
A lot of the stuff said in this sphere is generally true, however, focusing on how unfair it all is and how disposable we are is not the right way. No woman is going to want to be with you if you're bitter and resentful, and, more importantly, you'll be miserable. Your energy is valuable, don't let them manipulate you into wasting it.
I don't know, for men, it's kind of like realizing you aren't good enough to go pro. Your life isn't over at that moment, you just have to switch gears. I'm no stallion, but I have success, it's just as I've gotten older I realized that relationships are work. The best time spent in a relationship is a year, tops. At least for me. I think a lot of guys will have the ability to step out of the selfless idea of bring a husband and father and focus on things that make them better or things they actually desire to do.
you are one one of those mor0ns who worship jordan peterson right ?
When is someone going to show, what going to happen next! I’m 53 single male, blue collar worker, I’ve worked all of my life, I live beneath my means, I have pretty reasonable retirement savings, own my own house & everything in it.
Now I’m getting hit on by women in their 50s that have nothing, except multiple children to multiple fathers that are living on the welfare system! I’m not interested in buying last week’s non winning lottery ticket!
As a single 55 year old self employed, debt free home owning female getting hit on by tired, old, grumpy, lonely, men, I feel your frustration - but, i'd much rather live happily alone than settle on damaged and cynical.
@La A
I'm 58yr old woman in same situation.
The problem is I think a lot of "average" people or even slightly above average people do actually have options. They just don't like their options.
A lot of the dating market's problems would be solved if the average person actually took a good hard look at the mirror and asked themselves "Would I date myself"
Just imagine if the average man and woman would exercise 3-4 times a week and would cut something unhealthy out of their lives like drinking soda just imagine how much more attractive both genders at the average level would become.
@@laa2871 You could try to date a younger man - of course, it will cost you a few bucks - you'll have to take him to dinner, and pay for almost everything - Your other option is to simply stay alone for the remainder of your life. The guy who has assets, property, etc., is not interested in women who are 55 yrs old -unless maybe, they are from a 3rd world country, and believe men are important.
@@jlang7705 There is no way younger men are physically attracted to them for more than one night. It is such a pointless relationship. They should aim for men 65+
I think it’s more about being alone, then being a single man. Studies show that men mental health is best at big sporting events (think World Cup). Most generations past had some sort of collective brotherhood. The individualistic and consumer driven culture we now live in is the key factor here.
Male mental health definitely improves when succeeding in competition...it’s kinda why I get confused by this hypergamy stuff. Like it kind of writes-off and completely dismisses just how powerful the male competitive drive actually is. Like this is the same gender that forged society as we know it, battled each other and the terrain, developed the majority of infrastructure and technological innovations around us, overcame immense obstacles and bent the land to their will...and apparently now, are suddenly incapable of finding a new strategy to show off and impress women all because a grand total of two generations of women read more books and could buy more things. Like I know the internet is quite polarising but I don’t think of men as that pathetic
@@lunar686 that's strong men. strong men are rare even throughout history. you don't hear about weak men because they died or never reproduced.
Very intelligent point.
@@viralt487 wait? So you’re saying strong men are rare and then you’re saying weak men don’t reproduce and die. So what about all of us? Are our parents strong men or weak men? If only strong men reproduce then that means there’s lots of strong men cause there’s 7 billion of us on the planet
@@damiantirado9616 trend of single women is high because too many weak men.
If those men who are left behind and have no incentive will care less about what happens to society. They won't participate in saving it and will watch as the world burns..
They won't keep getting these stupid V-shots because our government are telling us we're racist if we don't. Trudeu did actually say if you don't go and get it done you're mysogenistic! hahaha
Or will gleefully add to the flames! 🤣🤣🤣
When women said that they do not need us anymore let them see, are they right ;)
As long as they won't appreciate our effort, we are not obligated to care about them.
So let them meet with consequeces as well. This sword has both sides.
The only reason polygamy was common in ancient times was that the number of men was much less than women because of the dangers men faced in life (wars, hunting, fishing, etc.)
Wow thats a good point!
I don't class myself as an incel, but I would fall into that box if placed myself in that box. I dated a bit in my 20s and ultimately gave up. Now I am in my 30s and the level of self improvement and people skills I developed I am proud of. I don't need a woman to complete me, I don't bitch and moan, and I just live my life. I have TOO much crap to do to care. If I meet someone in the future cool. I'll have questions like any normal man, but if it happens organically so be it. I have the gym, making music, working, working on buying my first house, and getting my car re-painted to car about certain things. Live life man. It's short and hard, but it's what you make of it that matters. I dropped weight, improvement myself to be the man I always envisioned, and the momentum continues. Do what works for you and if a woman comes in your life cool beans, if not just live a life that is complete and fulfilling for you. Not easy, but worth it.
Keep telling yourself that,
@@Stevelives13 I will do Steve, thank you so much for the sarcastic remark. I hope you and your family remain healthy and have a blessed year this year. Peace!
@@xagonent4942 I hope so too. ;)
@Micheal Sudan Come on mate, none of that stuff is going to compensate for the most basic human desire which is to find a mate for sexual companionship.
@Micheal Sudan Amen. Being involved with my church in teaching youth, choir, band, and so on made the transition from being isolated to being part of a community. Walking dogs has given me the further step in being sociable and comfortable around people. Starting my own business made me see the risk and reward aspect of life. Everything teaches us something and we see how we can make differences in our lives and others. Doing self care, helping people, and focusing on fitness are what makes me appreciate the man I am. Just make with life what you can. There is no one size fits all, but constantly complaining doesn't make sense. God placed me here for a reason and I am doing what I can between now and my passing. If I meet someone along the way cool, but I have enough on my plate to give me fulfillment and contentment. It's a marathon not a sprint.
I'm sitting back with my popcorn watching it all burn. I'm taking whatever side that wins in the end since morals are out the window at this point.
Just like a woman!
Let society burn to the ground. Fk it!
Go after the kind of woman you want. You're the hunter.
@Krzysiek Mazanek you are aware that George Carlin was a leftist right?
@Krzysiek Mazanek I never said that.
It's more efficient for society to advance when there is more monogamy ; more men are able to be productive in society! Never has a polygamous society gotten past the tribal stage!
I think you’re right, I’m a middle aged, single guy with no children and have decided not to strive for promotion etc., as what’s the point if you don’t have a family to support. Why should men abandoned by women and without children bother to invest in society, when we can live simply enjoying our hobbies, games, motorbikes, fishing etc.., selfish pleasures, but why not in these circumstances?
@@stonemarten1400, because there are strong psychological processes that call for you to have a meaningful life. Hobbies and games do not give you meaning. People do.
@@geraldpeace2476 you can have a meaningful life without other people, as hermits have done throughout the centuries. I’ve climbed mountains, walked coast to coast, seen wolves and bears in the wilderness, contentedly on my own and without others to annoy me. A good, faithful man sacrificing his whole life to serve a woman and children is noble and good for society as a whole, but it’s not the only way to find meaning.
@@stonemarten1400
I agree however in the cruelest sense of the word
“What’s the point in being noble if there’s nothing in it for you?
Why be a noble of nothing?”
All you end up doing is sacrificing for nothing
@@stonemarten1400, isn't this why you're here? You are undoubtedly seeing the troubles in society today and are curious as to why they are happening. They are happening because of this mentality. Men forgot that their role in society is to hold it together. We also forget our role in the problems we are facing as a society. Each of us has definitely played a part.
We have been sold a lie that we can find real meaning traveling, sight seeing, sowing our wild oats. It's exactly that. A lie. When you get to the end of that road, you will see it robbed you of everything long ago. I've seen it too many times. It gives you brief glimpses of happiness, but never long-term joy. You get that from serving others, not yourself.
Nothing worse than being Friend-zoned.
indeed but you can reverse uno card that.
a friend of mine did such a thing, he was friendzoned by his childhood friend and yet he accepted it, became his best version of himself and became a surrogate son for the parents of her childhood friend, easily a top tier man.
when he became that, guess who tried to drop the friendzone? her and yet he didn't let her drop the friendzone.
he in a way got vindicated by living well.
it goes without saying she is a childless spinster who went from oh damn to oh shit, literally from elegant to elephant.
live well my fellow men, that will be your justice.
I threw myself at men who were disgusted by my sex drive. You’re picking the wrong women. Like men tell us.choose better, stop being desperate, love yourself. You’ll find a mate. Or so they say.
Polygamist societies historically have largely been unstable. When there are many men who have no hope of having a meaningful relationship or starting a family, they act out (sometimes violently) or they check out of society altogether. Marriage brings a certain level of stability to society as a whole.
Most Women don't want marriage or kids
In Africa, societies were polygamous due to rampant disease and incessant warfare which meant that most of the children born would not even make it to their 5th birthday
@@robbenvanpersie1562 least not anymore.. they don’t need us since being in work force if they do. They find some sucker to leech off of or to control him
They go Dick Proenneke/Ted Kaczynski... 😉🤔
Chad can have my would be wife, I don't want to have to live up to anyones unreasonable hypocritical expectations. I prefer my time, my schedule and ultimately my freedom. Feminism really freed men from having to be responsible for them, never forget that!
You know all in all I think that is where I will fall on this subject " I'm going to be myself and not try and be something I'm not if you want me sure but if you don't then that's fine to "
This! Men no longer have to be financially responsible for women and women no longer have to be mothers and caretakers of grown men. Don't let anyone push you into taking care of another adult. Instead men and women can appreciate and care for one another as people. Divide up the work of living together as you see fit within your relationship, how you do it is no one else's business as long as you are both happy. I feel like everyone is missing an opportunity to work on truly figuring out how to love one another and its very sad.
Yes. thank God for radical feminism. It really forced men to wake up and realize the Western Culture, dating and marriage is not in the best interest for men. Men have been treated like expendables for hundreds of years. Glad to see men walking away from those obese feminist modern women.
You missed the point entirely. If a man is in a relationship with a woman, then he becomes bound to her, giving up his time, his money, and his ability to make decisions, no matter how trivial.
Men are only free from this when they wholly avoid any relationship with women.
@@blackfish86 Except for the fact that most western women still expect men to fill their traditional gender role, while rejecting the notion of filling theirs... What women are financially taking care of men? Show me the stats... Even women who make more than most men, refuse to date men who make less than them, and if they do marry a man that makes less than them the odds of her divorcing him are high, because at the end of the day feminism doesnt override human/female nature... Modern western women are all about having their cake and eating it too and no accountability, offering men used up damaged goods often past their prime, while still expecting men to give them everything they gave their mothers and grand mothers ect. GTFO pretending like this isnt completely one-sided.
As soon as I got out of the Army, came home and realized my wife was addicted to the Lifetime channel, shows like 60 Day Fiance, I knew my marriage was in trouble.
After marrying her she almost immediately began withholding sex and using it to get her way. Then when I became tired of it and didn't always "chase it" she began to pursue it with me. But even then she only did so when she knew I would reject her so she could later came the "he neglected me" card.
Like I said, I knew my marriage was headed for trouble. Fast forward 13 yrs later and I've been put out of the house and getting a divorce.
Am I lonely? Yeah I am, very much so. However I'd much rather deal with being lonely than endure being with someone who doesn't truly love me and was just using me, making my life hell.
Please warn younger men today to stay away from toxic women. Too many men get caught dealing with the wrong women. Are they naive? Probably
@@laturista1000 what's the point of getting married if she constantly withold seggs from u lol
Should have gone to counselling. 13 years is a long time for it to go wrong… it could have gone right.
Sometimes a neutral 3rd person can help.
Sun
Kids together?
Maybe guys should pick girls that chase them instead of the other way around because at least then they know there’s genuine desire that the girl has for the guy. I’ve been chasing an army guy and he’s the one that cheated on me. Dating sucks nowadays because people have no morals or loyalty.
Being single takes off the pressure of attaining specific financial goals and that has helped me ease my mental pressure recently. So this is the state I don't want to change, at least for couple of years from now
bro you from south africa?
And not one single word about divorce and family court, alimony, child support. paternal fraud, etc. Men do pay attention to what happens to other men, and it isn't rocket science to go "Wow, I don't envy that man and his situation, and so I shall take steps to avoid his fate." Getting married, and staying married until your golden years, is no longer the norm in society, it's the exception. This is the part where I throw back my head and laugh.
Do you really want to be married to the same woman for the rest of your life? Having sex with only one woman for the rest of your life?
Think about this seriously
@@wyleecoyotee4252 - getting married is playing Russian roulette with only one round not chambered and she's always pulling the trigger. If I wanted to get married, I would just find a lady who already hated me and buy her a house and give her half my assets, skip all the paperwork.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 In a Ideal world that's no problem, what's the issue with being married to or having sex with the same woman for the rest of your life? At some point in a man's life they should have enough sexual/relationship experience and encounter to realize that every pussy is the same if you just looking for hookups. I'm in my mid-20s and at a point in my life where sex in it of itself became nothing more than me trying out every store-brought dessert for something interesting, I want something more which is why I would like to get married. Also, to be married to the same woman for the rest of my life will be a testament to our loyalty and companionship for each other, love is a fleeting but loyalty/companionship is for forever.
@WhoBlah
If you're only 20yr then you are only looking at it from a certain Disneylike perspective. I was married 18yrs and people change. Having sex with the same person for that length of time isn't all it's cracked up to be. Furthermore you're assuming your relationship or sex life doesn't deteriorate.
It's awful when it becomes a sexless marriage.
@@wyleecoyotee4252 I've not looked at relationships and marriage from the Disney perspective since I was 13, either I was built different or too many men get their relationship advices from the media they consume. I personally don't believe people change, I believe that once you get to know someone very well and live with them you enter a crossroad where you ask yourself "Is this the person I want to have children with?" and "Is this the person I want to grow old with?" Now, speaking as a man who has no trouble or qualms with finding a woman to fuck, let me tell you this, I've reached a point where I just stopped caring about sex or the quality of it. Hooking up with different women over the years made me just bored and isn't all cracked up either. If I were to make a rough guess of your life, I would guess you've gotten married way too early and held on to an dead marriage too long that your youth passed you. I never assumed that relationships and sex don't deteriorate, I even said "love is fleeting" because at one point in every marriage even in healthy ones, love dissipates and the sex stops becoming exciting this is why loyalty and companionship is extremely important. Deep in my core, I rather have the companionship that I built with a woman for the rest of life, then to live as aging bachelor who have meaningless sex, but that's just me.
I honestly don’t want to deal with women and relationships. Staying single was the best choice. Relationships are too much drama, responsibility, baggage, then you have to only care what she wants while she doesn’t care about your needs. Pretty much in a relationship it’s all about her not you. I don’t want to deal with that. It’s better to be a bachelor.
EXACTLY
At least under the old social contract you actually have authority and respect to go along with the responsibility. Now all you get is the responsibility you'd have to be insane to take that deal
Islam sorts that out. Husbands and wives have God given rights over each other.
@@M.Sid9.3 used to be the same in Christianity, until we let the culture spoil our women
Cope
I've pretty much accepted that I'm part of the ~40% of men who won't reproduce. It would be so much better if I weren't still afflicted with the biological imperative and the fiction of love.
Now if only I could stop caring because so far try as I may everytime I see a nice Woman I think hey you should go talk to her then reality snaps back in " wtf you mean talk to her no no no keep walking " but it's that brief moment of desire that reminds me I am very lonely and want someone and idk if drinking will make that go away cause if I did I'd be tempted
Same here but I’m a woman 🥲 life sucks when all you want is a happy marriage, kids and a house to grow old in. But that will never happen
From my perspective it is better not to have something, than to have it be taken away.
I last saw my son on his 2nd birthday, his Mum "lost" the divorce due to her stupidity. However the court readily believed her accusations about my violent temper.
The only way to see him was for me to say I was guilty, get court approved anger management treatment, be at the mercy of her anger, and the courts assumption of my guilt.
That was over 30 years ago, I've not seen him since.
@@jaidee9570 wow that’s crazy. Why not just take the classes? Surely your pride isn’t worth not being in your sons life
@WomenHateShortMen you can't buy love but can buy sex, just buy sex and get it out of your system so you only live with one problem instead of two.
I chose to be single after my 1st love: I gave her my heart, she took it, threw it on the ground and started jumping on it, while my best friend at the time put a knife in my back
yeah, my ex-best friend stole my girlfriend who I was actually glad to be rid of but it was still traumatic and very strange because he knew how unhappy I was with her and knew me far well enough to know I wouldnt have cared if he'd told me but he did it behind my back, it made no sense at all..was yrs ago but I still puzzle over it. She wasnt even very hot and wasnt his type and they werent together for long afterward.
@@joejones9520 you need to watch some andrew tate, thats not a friend
Can relate but it was before i even had the chance to even create a dialogue than i sighed n rolled my eyes and played my video games
How can you become so bitter after one heartbreak? Most of us had that… I had it happen too often though… 5 times to be precise.
As someone who has been there, the best thing you can do is try to be the best you can possibly be. Improve yourself forever and don't let resentment have a home in your heart as it will degrade your very value if you do.
Here is my question. Why be civilized if the system is designed to humiliate you?
The social contract is dead.
slavery for Ncels is coming. The successful men simply cant do all the physical labor it takes to upkeep their harems, someone has to farm and do garbage work and those guys are going to be sexless and eventually just stop working.
I just said the same thing in my other comment.
@Krzysiek Mazanek Especially men who are "on the spectrum" but still fit enough to work. I recommend all men get tested for autism and if they test positive IMMEDIATELY read just how high the divorce rates are for your FIRST marriage (its 70%+)
There's this thing called jail....
@@Syncrotron9001 Serfdom?
Real love is very rare in this day and age. The single epidemic will continue and it will get worse the coming decades.
Pandemic will last this decade
I went on about 5 dates in my 20's and remained a virgin until I met my wife in my late 20's. In the eyes of many in the world, they probably thought I didn't have much fun during that time, but I did. There are a lot of worthwhile things to do in this world that have nothing to do romantic relationships. I read a whole heck of a lot and spent some time in the gym. I don't really get to do that stuff so much anymore. When you're single, spend your time doing stuff you can't do when you're married. Because when that happens you do take on some additional responsibilities and you have to make some sacrifices.
Thank you, this comment restored my faith in humanity.
Thank you! A rational human being.
Wow you got married as a virgin incredibly rare these days lucky honestly for both people it's for the best
Great advice. At 23 years old, single, and still a virgin, I'm trying to focus on a life that is personally fulfilling for me. I've been getting back to myself after a rough time and I just think forcing a situation to introduce another person romantically in my life is not a good move. Some people seemed concerned about me being single, but I know that it's only a serious problem if I think it is.
You mean you can't go to the gym or read books now that you're married?
Being alone does not cause madness or violence, as some people suggested, that's bs. It may make you sad, miserable and wreck your self esteem, but that is it. I'm experiencing extreme loneliness for years and I'm not a monster. If and when lonely people are dangerous, there are other factors involved, like a terrible education or personality disorders. I don't blame other people for my problems, because I believe in freedom and basic ethics. Besides, sex is not a basic human need and if a person does not engage in it, it shouldn't be anybody else's business. Instead of judging lonely men, society should be complaining about the bullies who shame, humiliate and discriminate us for our mere existence.
Is sex not a basic need? Friend, sex is literally the purpose of our existence. It is the only objective meaning of life. What differentiates a living organism from a non-living organism is precisely the ability to reproduce and pass its genetic code forward.
The meaning felt, purpose or meaning in the life of any living being is reproduction, it is the only thing that exists between birth and death. Therefore, to say that sex is not a basic need is at least funny, because we only exist to reproduce, literally.
@@thiagovaillant It means that sex is important to human beings, but not a basic need. Basic need would be something necessary for survival, like drinking water. Lack of sex doesn't even make you unhealthy. Besides, humans are not 100% defined by natural instincts, as rational beings. You speak like you see no difference between a human and a lion.
@@MatNaito " Lack of sex doesn't even make you unhealthy", say this to all the mass-shooters, Alqaeda terrorists, etc etc.
Sex is not a BASIC human need, like eating and drinking, but it is a human need. It is the biggest stress-reliever humanity has access to, it is very good for your mental health (being intimate with someone else) and the benefits of having sex on a regular basis are numerous. Besides, for men to stay healthy and avoid prostate and testicular cancer we're supposed to ejaculate about 20 times a month. It helps when you got a GF helping out in that domain :p
@@Dalinos hell i wouldnt care about sex.. having someone to be with is even a stress reliever.. im tired of doing so much shit that doesn’t matter. Im tired of being alone. I dont want to pay for sex. I guess i aint shit it i have nothing to offer but most women in the u.s offer nothing of value. Im just tired
Reminds me of that scene from 300 “Men, what is your profession?!” It’s fantastic that society has gone above and beyond to elevate marginalized groups at the expense of men. Unless societal collapse was part of their strategy, they probably should have factored in what large groups of men with nothing left to lose do. “I gave you two choices; I could explain in excruciating detail the consequences of your actions, or you could just have fun. Did you have fun?”
@@sirwizalot7164 You hit it right on the nail, that's why porn, videogames, netflix, junk food, anime, mainstream entertainment, etc. are so readily available, it's to keep men dormant, numb, hooked to the poisons of modernity so they don't burn down the society that has promised them so much while giving back nothing in return except for disappointments and more responsabilities but without any authority or incentives to balance said expectations...
@@sirwizalot7164 I recommend you read *The Rational Male* 4 books and watch Rollo Tomassi's videos, that's all the insight you'll need ;)
@@transforgoku These men will be treated like all other veterans of all other wars, they're just veterans of different wars, the psychic kind.
@Muslimcel Of course, what else would they do, something constructive? That'd require imagination and thinking, fat chance.
“ I know not with what weapons WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones” -Albert Einstein
It is true they’re trying to Band-Aid our current situation with vices such as drugs and games, which is obviously not a long term solution. The last ditch effort of those in power to retain their power is war; Sending men with nothing left to lose to kill each other rather than allow revolt against the institutions that caused these problems in the first place. And as always women will sit on the sidelines playing the victim’s, choosing the Men who make it out alive. Whether it was ancient Greece or modern society, The expectation has always been for men to die; women have said as much. Well currently we may have lost any power and respect that comes in dying, we do have the power to choose a purpose in which we die for.
There is a difference between staying in a toxic relationship, and staying in a relationship with problems.
The aphorism 'There's someone for everyone' has a second part often omitted which is, 'if you're willing to settle'.
I’m a single man and I disagree. Some are happy in the single life. A lot of “relationships” are toxic. Better to not deal.
Agree. It will be "bad for society" for single men to have all the money. Save all the money. And not buy every stupid shit society tries to sell him that a woman would if she got half his money plus alimony every month
@@johnhein2539In that case screw society! Let it collapse for all I care! 🤣🤣🤣
Ancient wisdom is far more valuable than modern values
modern values are progressive and disgusting. reject it and embrace patriarchy (tradition).
Funny how beauty industry from cosmetics to surgeries and clothes is almost a trillion dollar industry. Women after this have the nerve to claim personality matters the most.
So the looks of a female don't matter to you?
Amen to that
Wouldn’t that also be indicting men showing that what men really care about is women is looks so much so that most women spend a small fortune on makeup to try and be more attractive
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 difference being that man do not sugar coat it and lie lmao.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986 exactly. Men care about looks and women judge each other on looks. Women compete to be the most attractive in order to attract men and make all the other women jealous
It all comes down to what you want. Want a wife and family? Go ahead. Want to remain single and focus solely on what makes brings you contentment? Awesome.
Lots of single men aren't a danger to society. Making men feel like they're obligated to do anything they don't feel in their hearts . . . That's dangerous.
I think it's more about if you can't have kids society considers you already dead to a degree.
Depends, are they single because they want ? Ok, not ideal but ok, but are they single because they're incels (involuntary celibate) ? That's BAD, that's dangerous, the amount of resentment and anger that they will experience will be so great maybe they won't care about the structure of society anymore.
@@Locke350 yes, that's how I'm using it, i know many people use it as an insult but i think that's stupid. But being one is objectively a bad thing, and it can cause resentment and anger as i said
Single men are a danger to society in more than just terrorist intention. What happens in 50% of the men stop having children? Stop working? Skip taxes? Don't show up to the war?
@Marie Baker ikr!!... its like something is wrong with the creation of men. Women re honestly comfortable being single. But men have to get violent because of it, why!!
People get mad when you bring this conversation up and yet it needs to be had.
Keep in mind China's one child policy for each couple. Lots of female babies were discarded in favor of sons. Now 30 or so years later the lack of available females and overrepresented males makes war a high probability.
Same in india
@Robben van Persie
Nope you might want to check the ratio again.
There are actually more women than men in some states of india.
@Muslimcel unironically that is probably what they are gonna do
Society kills women… Also society 20 years later: “WHERE ARE THE WOMEN!?”
There are plenty of available females that want a loving relationship and get rejected and worse. I have taken more abuse than you can possibly imagine.
I'm single and I assume it. I guess wanting a loving, caring, nice, faithful woman is too much nowadays
Sadly, it is. The tiny percentage of women who fall into that category are quickly taken off the dating market.
@@jasonpauldegraaf correct me if I'm wrong but they rarely marry a good guy
@@emmamusic4600 Of course, but the pretty ones are always in relationships. So they are non existent to 90% of the male population
@@fidykely Regardless of whether he's good or not, she will eventually resent him. 80% of divorces are initiated by women (the main reason cited is "unhappiness"). Of course, asshole cheating husbands exist. More often than not, however, the wife simply loses the feels, cashes out, and moves on.
Generally speaking, wives will offer their love, attention, care, and support in this order: Her children, herself, her family, her pets, and then (if anything remains) her husband. And when they must, they'll often view him as weak for being "needy" (which only fuels further the inevitable resentment).
Most modern women expect their men to offer emotional, financial, and relational support but have no paradigm to reciprocate. In their minds, he's there to care and provide for her at whatever cost.
And if he cannot cut it, her social media/dating apps can provide her with a few hundred more willing simps within a few days' time.
@@emmamusic4600 for sexually/physically attractive men ofc who are the top 20% of the male populace. So basically, you dont "exist" for a majority of men.
These guys are on the cusp of a breakthrough with their thinking and then are weighed down by normie concepts.
They are more dangerous than the feminists imho.
Please elaborate
I think I have an idea where you’re going but I want to know more
Better to legalize prostitution at this point otherwise a lot of sexually frustrated men are going to go postal.
It won't happen until the unholy alliance of sex negative feminists and holy men breaks up.
It's bad for the mental health of the "sex workers" themselves. That being said, it might be a necessary evil.
Having been married twice and having 2 step daughters and 2 of my own, I have experienced a lot of the world in which they operate. Society seems to have convinced women that their sex organs are for literal transactions. The entitlement is sickening. Saying “no” is absolutely red rag to a bull.
My step daughter moved her boyfriend in to my home at aged 14. I said no, firmly. Her mother over rode me and allowed it. Eventually, 3 years later, she and her boyfriend were sending me to bed at 10pm because the “adults” wanted to watch television. She decided to not work and be a “housewife” in MY house and her boyfriend worked on apprentice wages. She demanded, demanded, demanded and eventually I said NO.
As you can predict, within 4 months she HATED me, said things like “I wouldn’t piss on his grave when he dies I hate him” and being incredibly disrespectful. Her mothers solution was to entirely blame me in that I shouldn’t have said no to her.
Whilst HATING me she still lived in my home, ate my food, was driven around in one of my cars, because obviously she is the boss.
This is indicative of the problem with the world right now.
Uhh, kick her ass out? I get what you're saying but holy shit grow a pair.
You must treat your daughter with the discipline of the rod and calm her hormones! Like my father put upon me.
@@ludaheracles7201 I can’t, she isn’t my daughter.
@@snakeshift9172 nope. I tried that and her mother will not under any circumstances whatsoever kick her out. She smokes weed in the house, full sexual relationship at 14 and goddam does she critique my life and work ethic. I do 70 hours a week with a major disability. Her opinion is that I am a shit father because I am not at home and when I am there I am exhausted. This is coming from a kid that has never actually worked a single day.
Welcome to the redpill world.
The one child policy is from 1980. Not "centuries back"
If anything shows how insanely damaging it was
Not even 40 years later and now they have a crisis where now millions of men have no hope in finding a wife
@Joey Wheeler That’s literally what’s happening as we speak
Thousands of Chinese men are marrying African women right now
Better a foreigner than nobody
I said the same thing to myself when they said this in the episode, it was definitely not centuries ago haha
@@MarkJoseph81 if it was a century ago China's uncounted country girls would be massive "ghost" city where the actual number is like 7 million but on official count is 300,000
@@prettyboyjeremy African wives i doubt
There are still tons of men who don't even want a woman around and numbers are rising every day.
It has nothing to do with hate, it's just the best way to live a life with a minimum risk.
No responsibilities, no financial burdens, time at hand for whatever hobbies you love, nobody nagging and bossing you around, telling you how to spend your money,
the list is endless...
Once a man discovers the power of a single life style, it's very hard to convince him to give it up again.
"Let other guys get their lifes ruined!" ...is what I hear a lot!
@Jesse Pinkman at this point i wouldnt be surprised if it happened sooner, alot of things have happened so fast that its hard to keep up with whats going on.
@@michaelvasquez6342 The most underrated comment on this thread. In terms of sociocultural change, I'd say the last 5-6 years are far more egregious in overall volume and pace of change than even the late 1960s (our most recent comparison).
We've also lived through extraodrinarily rapid technological progression during our lives. I'm 47 now. I remember growing up with an Apple IIe (one among the first few publicly available personal computers) and cassette tapes for my tunes.
Look how far we've come, and how stressful ALL this change can be!
THIS!!!! 🏆
I'm finding more women are now happily single and childfree as well, even happening to younger women. Which is why there is a declining birth rate in the west, both men and women are choosing the single and childfree life.
@@deemanchester
Then they hit the wall and.... 😢
Our increasingly individualistic and selfish society plays a big part imo.
All I know is that most men I know play 2+ hours of video games a day regardless of being single or married. Not saying games are "evil", but they one of the strongest distractions men have right now, and I believe we are seeing men be selfish by avoiding community through sinking time in the virtual world more and more.
@@someone-ji2zbwould you try to make friends with people who label you as angry bigoted resentful piece of shit? I know I sure wouldn't
@@someone-ji2zb The community doesn't care about us anyway
@@fenix4553 Ok? Even if that were true in its entirety, it just does not change the fact that becoming a hermit and choosing to not care about others is simply a selfish decision.
Yea, go figure, most people wont give a flying crap about you or me, but we can still choose to care what happens to them and their kids.
@@someone-ji2zb So what should men do then? They clearly can't get girlfriends or be welcomed by society anyway. People are giving up not by choice, but because they are rejected.
The current dating market i a recipe for social disaster. Boys growing up without any chance of a relationship will have few qualms about being recruited to various types of extremism. What do they have to loose anyway?
I would think it is not so much that no one loves them, but more so that no one will accept their love. THAT is actually an even worse rejection.
That's an overstatement IMO.
Having a woman or a family isn't the only thing that propels you through the life.
Sure, there are people who would end up just as you say, but not many.
@@bmsuperstar1 Perhaps it is not the only thing, but it is the onluy reason there are any of us.
@@JK-jt3lr- One thing people refuse to address is the single motherhood rate that is only getting higher. The vast majority of these men were raised by single mothers. They never had a father figure in their life. Women create monsters and now they bitch about them. Let’s not forget, women spent decades saying “my body, my choice,” and telling men to mind their own business. That’s exactly what they’re doing.
I haven't had a girlfriend in ten years. There is obviously nothing about me that any woman finds desirable. Sometimes the loneliness is too much to bear, especially since I don't really have superlatives in other areas of my life either. It is incredibly devastating when you see the reality of how useless I am entirely.
A flat surface is a good base to build. Never stop fighting.
Sorry to hear that. I hope things get better for you.
Go watch fight club once you done apply for a sport of your choice while setting a goal make sure not to quit unless 3 month of training has passed no matter how painful it gets good luck
Ask yourself this - "What is you being _useful_ but a convenience for others?"
Tools have a use, do you strive to be a tool?
That's your old programming speaking, from the old Matrix where your value was related to how much good you can do for society. Now realize society doesn't give a sh*t about you and be free from all obligations towards it.
_"With great power comes great responsibility"_ however, the opposite is also true.
I'm single, intentionally, and happy, healthy, and financially secure.
The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.
For me it's simple, it goes beyond gender and sexuality. For me its a lack of trust in people, i never take them seriously just like how I never underestimate anyone. Ive lived my life wasting and chasing not knowing who I really was or what I really wanted, now that i know what I want now and who I am, those things obviously they are and become trivial, something not of actual worth. I have to stay on top of my shit daily and cant afford any distractions. I also just really learned how to enjoy alone time, something I learned to value over time, weather its staying in your room enjoying a nice meal or activity, or outside in complete isolation. The world is full of bullshit, and getting away actually is more saving than getting involved. Not having people around makes me feel much better. I learned to be the best version of myself this way and it's great, the only people that mean the world to me is the small handfull of family i have in this earth, and that's better than a hundred mfs that im not so sure about.
I really appreciate this sentiment and perspective. I have a similar take myself. At this point ; American society is so disgustingly demoralizing to partake in that I'd rather not interact with it as much ; and to the extent that I have to, it's as little as I can get away with. Life is a hell of a lot simpler without all the BS of modern society.
I’m done with marriage and relationships, it’s not worth the stress or pain, fellas, hit the gym, invest and save your money, travel the world and make a good group of long lasting friends, women are not worth the trouble.
I am a 65 year old male - I simply don’t understand modern society 😂
Will modern society create a bunch of single guys out there and can't find true love.
Product of Pentagon and Washington DC collaboration
Alan Ginger L
Lol I’m 38 and modern society is pretty bizarre. The Incel movement is just baffling
@@billsimms2511 dude I’m 23 and believe me most incels are between 25-35 they’re millennials
Incel is the most unempathetic derogatory term. It doesn't even make sense!
I agree. It's a total misnomer, really.
What does it mean really?
90% of men can no longer date or find anyone worth dating.
It's just Leftist Shaming language.
If you had to work for free, and decided not to work, no one would call you work shy or lazy because you don't get paid.
Work is something you for pay because you wouldn't do it for free.
When guys have to jump through a million hoops,
We get abuse, spend our time and money to get rapidly replaced by some Chad who's just wanting to F
Or a F'boy as girls call them....
Fill in the blanks!
Dating just really isn't working for guys now.
Incel is just a guy who's still trying.
I went MGTOW and went from being skint to balls deep in crypto.
When guys give up Dating, life gets better!
@@evaphillips2102 involuntary Celibate
@@evaphillips2102 MGTOW is better.
Not worth 90% of guys dating now
That's what happens when society, culture and biology gets questioned every single minute...?...!
Being alone will cause madness. I know, I've been living with this madness for my whole life. I struggle with not letting it out and ruling my life. I put a lot of mental energy into it, and then on top of that I have to try expend more energy to get out of that isolation that drives me into madness only to encounter women who treat me like I'm disposable. Just dealing with them and the heartbreaks add more stress. I wonder how much I can take before I break
go-er.
I'm in the same boat as you. It only gets worse when you realize that breaking won't fix anything. The world won't take a time out for us. We might be the first generation to fail due to being deemed "ugly" when in reality we aren't. We must be the first generation to say no to sloppy seconds if we want any future generations to have a chance. Good luck out there I'm sure things will get better even if they have to get worse first.
It weird because where I live the type of man you are is attractive. But I feel because we are a third world country, women here are often judge as “fake” when approaching guys from other countries. “After the money”. When in reality, in other countries men are less violent, better at communication and act more civilized than some (not all) men in our country.
Heartbreaking.
I'm 100% on your side, days and months pass by and I don't feel like I'm living in that time, even though I have a muscular and shredded physique and recently finished law school but I am really isolated also mentally I often find myself being disgusted by people and hating them for living like a coward, I just don't fit in I think and without my girl it feels like my soul disappeared, I'm just functioning at work and in sports really hard to describe to you guys
The problem isn't single men or as a few pointed out sexless men. But rather, it's women who overvalue themselves and the men who can get some, indulging in fast food of sex.
Men overvalue women and inflate their egos (simps). That is another problem.
@@prelude12341 main problem
So it’s women’s fault ONLY 😭😭😭😭😭😭
Oh man 🤣 this argument is pure entitlement. Seriously, if fat/ugly women began forming groups and threatening society because they were celibate, do you think you'd start blaming men for not being with them?
@@emily4514 They aren't celibate though, unless voluntarily
I think this generation is just going through a much needed break from each other. The Love conquers all attitude has been disproven and it's not necessarily a bad thing that a generation holds back from each other and the birth rate drops. This world has nothing left to discover and countries are plentiful with people. I believe the next generation will come back around and have better relationships with their peers, be it friends or committed partnerships.
I agree with you.
as long as I got good food I’m ok with that. tbh.
I don't agree with that "plentiful with people." "I'm still King Giga Chad Virgin" ****
I love your programme...I recently moved to a small college in the US and there is nothing for single males in their 40's -this contributes to the epidemic of loneliness which is now a serious public health issue. This leads to many emotional and mental health issues and can manifest in so many unhealthy ways. Have you ever dealt with this situation in your pod cast discussions?
@I.M. Shirley Rongh Back then single older guys would buy a weapon and armor and become a crusader.
40s.... find other 40s divorced women ...
Very good! Thank you! Almost every discussion of this topic is filled with venom. You guys provide constructive feedback & propose solutions. This world needs more people like you guys.
This podcast came to mind with recent events today: China's massive military buildup (with the numbers of males who will not find wives?), and Japan's current construction boom in central Tokyo and rebuilding in disaster-hit areas (keep those healthy young men productively engaged!)... I agree with Vincent Harinam. Just leaving men-without-mates to the vagaries of "the market" is not a good idea.
They wont find them in Taiwan either. Iran has constantly lowering birth rate aswell. Ukraine has an extremely low birth rate too. This time they can't use war to solve the incel epidemic.
The Buddhist culture and Christian culture used to have monasteries for men to go to, to live together productively and have companionship and meaning to their lives.
I've known alot of guys that had a hard time meeting anyone. Pretty lonely, years going by, perhaps life in the end.
So many out there in this spot.
Hard fact is that women are way way more attractive just by being them selves, attractiveness in men is rarely judged by the same standards and requires something more. That's reality.
What confuses me, often, is the lack of effort.
If finding a woman truly is a priority, then do everything in your ******* power to make it happen.
Sculpt your body to its best, throw yourself into challenging experiences that build character, test yourself every damn day like a mad man.
With this kind of grit any man can become attractive.
But it's hard work every day and it never stops and it never should.
So many of these guys just won't do it though.
As if their lot in the world was already set, seeing only injustice, going back to old ways wishing tomorrow would magically change.
It can be so frustrating to witness, especially if it's someone dear.
To be honest, if what it takes to get and keep a woman is to "test myself every day like a mad man", I don't want one. Sometimes I want to relax.
It kind of feels like getting into huge debt to buy something expensive. Sure, you have it, but the enjoyment you get from it will pale in comparison to the stress.
I'm all for self improvement but I don't want to make my life hell just to get women.
@@mikeb6383 it's nice getting comments on old posts, seeing all the shit I put out there coming back to haunt me. Haha
I mean, If a girl is the goal than yeah, I'll have to work for it.
Not much else to do about it because of the competition.
Sounds stupid but I think letting go is the real key, so you're probably on to something.
Working hard like a mad man for reasons within though.
Even for any reason but the girl.
Strange how things work, how attraction work.
There are men like Tom Brady, who did just that, and they still got divorced because their wife got bored. Even if you’re 10, that doesn’t mean she’s going to stay.
@@ravenzyblack think that's the ebb and flow of life, like built into the fabric of things.
The comings and goings.
What's crazy is that in letting go, like really living as it's only momentarily, it ups the odds for it sticking around.
Anyway, I still wholeheartedly believe that stupid hard work is the only road to a worthwhile goal.
The trick is probably to always have worthwhile goals beyond those that get achieved.
Because obviously everything goes and gets old at some point
@@JackVogel2024 that’s where I’m at bro. Letting go, throwing myself into the stuff I want to do and working to feel like I’m attractive as a man, unattached to any particular outcome. The bit about Socrates saying that man needs to see the beauty and strength that he is capable of. Scott Pilgrim fighting for himself, not for a woman. That’s what it’s about.
*7 things to quit for all Male:*
1. Caring about what others think
2. Not believing in yourself
3. Following Kardashians
3. Not prioritizing your health
4. Wasting your precious time
5. Chasing meaningless relationships
6. Wasting or draining your energy from beating your meat
7. Nailbiting/nailpicking habit for good (if you do it - consider stopping it as it makes you mentally weak + affects your confidence and all other areas of your life!)
Take it easy and I hope you found one thing helpful in this list.
I like my nails cut, and not bit, because they become stronger, and quite useful in my job.
great list fam, off the bat I'd change #3 to : watching anything on corporate programming, tv or radio
they control it all but they so weak they cant kill us by force they must convince us to consent to death
aw man the only one I struggle with anymore is #7
I can't stop number 6
5 is why I don't bother with most people.
Sixty years ago, or so. Traditional, Religious, Conservative types worried about "The Pill" and what the long range implications of birth control would do to our Society. Every decade since, every sign that those concerns might have a valid point, they were dismissed, laughed at, and scorned.
Welcome to the Future. Would it be the worse thing to begin admitting they were on to something?
I couldn't care less about the societal impact of birth control it's kept me from having to pay child support.
@@JB-kx9bx Contraceptives diminished the value of sex.
@@JB-kx9bx and its mentalities like yours that have screwed up society.
The pill was created by men and promoted by men and Roe (legalizing abortion) was decided by an all male Supreme Court. Men did not think through the consequences of the sexual revolution.
Sure it has had an impact. However, it has also saved people who have a sex drive, but no reproductive drive from making children that they would hate. Give it enough time, and every child will be a wanted one. The "Sex for pleasure only" gene will go extinct. Ages ago, the one thing that kept humankind from going extinct was having pleasure nerves in parts of the body. Now people actually decide whether they just want pleasure from those nerves or they actually want to reproduce. The other thing that ensured reproduction was an agricultural and pre-industrial economy where each child quickly became a unit of free labor and eventually became the only form of pension insurance.
This excludes the Idiocracy, they can't be bothered to remember how to use birth control properly, and will be morons making more morons.
I find it both tragic and humorous that in places with "Purity culture" and pretending contraception doesn't exist, teen pregnancy is a big problem. Maybe these people should make an anti-horny device if they really cared. Nah, they just want young people to hurry up, marry, and pop out a quiverfull no matter what the consequences.
Also, I love how "Conservative" types tell us the free market is a wonderful cure, but then they make an excuse when it involves sexuality.
This idea was demonstrated in a beautiful mind in the bar scene. A group of women walked into the bar and John Nash figures out the mathematical formula which involves his group of friends ignoring the blonde and goes after her friends instead all his friends focusing on the blonde. This increased the chances of all the men getting laid.
But why, what's the point of a one night stand why should i take that risk when there's people out there getting paid to have sex all they while doing so with people who get tested for STD's every 14 days.
I believe it was that they should wait for the women to come
Who got the blonde?
@@ridethelapras That night? No one, which was the point.
@@j.w.31 that's the point is taking her off the pedestal and realizing how radioactive she is in the end turning men against each other.
I believe that we can come together as men and women and live in harmony! But, we kinda need to ditch all the societal pressures, and expectations so that each relationship is forged according to the individuals in the relationship! It makes more sense! I think it will help the loneliness in both men and women.
Thats already happening
@@neetea2 proof?
nah I´m good. you can all keep getting gaped by random dudes and end up with std:s and cats
Nah I'm good.
Female "loneliness" lmfao 😆
Another dilemma to having multiple women to one man in a polygamous relationship is how that would exponentially constrict the genetic diversity of people, resulting in more birth defects among other issues.
Diversity of genes is not really a problem in modern times. This issue is hugely exaggerated in popular culture. What is a real problem is incest, because it creates all sorts of genetic problems, but even first cousin marriages are fine. Second cousin marriages even produce healthier offspring than an overly diversified gene pool would.
Obviously the latter is never discussed in literature because academia has become overly politicized, and diversity is one of its sacred dogmas. My mother had a PhD in genetic pediatric diseases, and through her work I become accustomed with the actual data of diseases, which is not mentioned often in the media. Im not a doctor myself, so take this with a grain of salt. It is my best estimate of the situation however.
@@pahakuutti
The issue is affected by the population size.
I wonder what happens in poor neighborhoods where the same Chads and Tyrones get passed around, and nobody really knows paternity. It probably already happened more than once, making even more of an Idiocracy.
@@skylinefever that happened to these two black kids either in Chicago or Detroit it was some type of Facebook video where the dude found out that the chick was his cousin I think he was talking to his grandma or someone, it was hilarious to watch but if that was you in that situation that sucks. 🤷🏾♂️
@@skylinefever oh its happened. thats why the girl I lost my Virginity to turned out to be my dads secret kid
Actually it's having a lot of unemployed man is very dangerous for society. Seeing as you're probably a single man yourself, you're probably talking about yourself. Incels aren't terrorists. You shouldn't make generalizations like that.
But history has shown that when there's a lot of unemployed males in an area things end badly. It doesn't depend on whether they're married or single or whether they're up a specific ethnicity or even religion. When there's a lot of unemployed man with too much time on their hands things tend to go badly.
"oh no incels bad" 😥
You'd know all about that now wouldn't you, you sound just like my father lmao
In india
My cousin sister got married
Arriange marriage in ny country societal pressure so bad
She makes money
Her husband has never worked or had a job
N he hits her n abuses her
Divorce ratw is less than one percent
This affects a lot of Black men in America.
@@Harsha-D311 exactly we don't even know the actually data on these things. Dowry, dv and so much more. we only heard about 1 vismaya and it took 1 yr to get her justice. Imagine so many cases are hushed up. Yet men say that most of these cases shldnt be taken seriously....
im 99% sure that most women dont like me and its fine, its a bit painful but its fine
life is easy when you accept reality, its better to alone than to be in a toxic relationship.
Amen.
I been single for 3 years now without a single date. I just stay on my little farm and keep to myself. I would rather be single than play the games people play in todays world. People change spouses like socks 🧦. I’m just not going to be anybodies sock ever again
I'm 41 years old. I've had my share of girlfriends and most of them were train wrecks. I know there are good women out there but there are very few. I've built a very good business and made half a million dollars last year. Maybe you would call me an incel, but I am extremely picky about who I let into my life. The game is even harder for high value men
Not if you pump and dump as a one night stand.
@@chadgaston8615 and potentially get them pregnant or a std. Or a false accusation to get at my money?
Every man that says they’re good the FIRST thing they bring up is tangible things and wonder why women only goes after those things. Never about their character or being a actual genuine human . Society really messed men up thinking all they have to do is “ provide” and thats all . Most men are not good ppl period . Emotionally unavailable, not supportive , no integrity , trained to only act out in anger or lust . What can you all provide that doesn’t include MATERIAL possessions ? Most men never can answer that . most of yall act like y’all don’t have a heart it’s scary . Also most ppl are mentally unhinged , anyone who always bring up what they got in a space full of strangers is not mentally stable . Therapy really is needed.
I have lots to offer besides money, but I've worked too hard to risk my success with a fucked up system. The system makes me cold and unavailable because it has made it a risky business decision for men to get involved with women.
@@hellodia8038 I wouldn't have gained my success without forming good relationships with people and having good character.
Having a good relationship is work...you need to work With your partner to make it work...not add more people to the mix. I agree that "not settling" is a core saying in our society...but I also believe that most people today struggle to accept the fact that having a "average" life is actually a good thing. Many women have had to take on "male" roles because they have been forced into that situation though being a single parent or getting out of a dissatisfying relationship. Pepe need to look internally for their own self worth...not at a partner or relationship. The benefits of a healthy relationship come when you are healthy and confident with who you are.
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 That's what I get for not proofreading my comment. Lots of errors. Oops. Hahaha!
The old ways make sense. The older I get, the more apparent that is.
Same. As a woman raised in feminism this is correct. All ways make more sense to me now.
I strongly believe that what is happening in this specific dating era is Extremely dangerous. I know so many guys who never had a girlfriend or never had sex. Its superficial to say that a lot of resentment and anger is being created by women with unrealistic standards and one way or another their feelings will come out one day.
@@zoeymckeown3194 women ain't missing nothing to my knowledge. All I see are men struggling...
no one owe you anything out here. 🙄
@@sdneytaco2226 did I talk about someone owning something to someone else ? Don't think so
@@sdneytaco2226 the same goes for single mothers who got dumped by their high value boyfriend and who look for men to marry her and pay for her child
@@sdneytaco2226 true.and-men-dont-owe-u-taxes,respect,civil-obedience,etc.