Not too sure what others see, looks a solid start to me, and the camera work from the chase boat is stunning , give that guy a pint. Thanks for posting.
Lots of arm chair stuff in comments. Don't knock it till you know it. We will find out when they line up. Some bright people involved, they might get it right or wrong, but they are having a go at probably one of the hardest cups to win in sport. I do have ideas as to there cup might go but you never know in this game, good luck to all of the teams brave enough to fight this crazy game out.
The gybe looked smooth and given it’s designed to be an ultra high performance, ergo responsive, yacht/machine, the feel will develop. Too early to judge any of them yet.
Interesting that we all watch the same footage and see different things. I thought it looks fast. A bit ragged at the moment but it's only day 3 and the first time they sailed downwind (40+ knots not bad) and I'd rather they were holding on tight while trying to tame a wild horse than trying to work out how to make am arm chair go faster. I might be wrong and we'll only know how they compare when we start seeing the other boats sailing near each other. I'm also glad they have gone and designed their own boat rather than build a version of New Zealand's, as the danger of doing that is that every time the Kiwis's will be one iteration of refinement ahead.
I've seen a couple of analysts claim that Ineos have taken a gamble by moving the centre of gravity farther forward than the other contenders. Apparently this offers potential performance at the cost of controllability. So the key will be learning to fly the thing. If they can master that, they might just be in the game. Looked a bit better here, despite the conditions, so let's hope they're on the right track.
Said I hope it will be slow (it would be a rival less), I read, profane opinion (sorry, I don't know if this expression makes sense in English), too much criticism; I understand the disappointment for the last edition but I think it's really too early to make any judgments. Even they don't know how fast can (really) go, the sailing experts don't know, let alone us fans/spectators. 🍺
Looks fast with good control with ride height. Interesting their rudder is positioned well forward, instead of plum with the stern like the other boats.
Needs time, other teams following ETNZ will always be a step behind, this is something completely different route- and if it works it won’t be simple for others to catch up. Seems that with the boayancy forward they can angle up and aid getting onto foils, and then once up adjust the rudder again to produce the downforce and righting moment, once they get these combinations in sync with each other it has the greater potential
I thought the last sequence looked interesting (7:35). The boat starts to sail with a bit of bow up and the rudder appears straighter? Would love to have gotten a side profile shot. I feel like if the bow of this boat is pointed up, the rudder could be pointing down which suggests it's producing downforce. Need those side profile shots
I would guess that everybody will have a steep learning curve with their latest version of foils. I presume that with improved performance comes diminished stability. That said the last iteration of foils had similar issues and the next generation will continue the trend. Two cycles form now these foils will appear to have been tame and incredibly stable.
@@THIS_IS_SPARTA696 What clever chaps they are compared to us. Do we copy the Kiwi boat in a design that is safe and the Kiwis have far more experience or do try to win by taking risks?
Its time speed radar were used to display… still only so much could be certain comparatively until they actually race but make these practice clips exciting 😀
@@bobdillon1138feels like this boat can really perform in these short moments of balance, but can hardly keep it for long... For now. We know the best allrounder will win, not the boat that needs to nail a specific condition to perform well. GL to INEOS
@@bobdillon1138 The good news is that they have more than enough time for all the fine-tuning of their systems. If there are still apparent teething issues by the onset of summer, then I'd start being concerned if I were an INEOS fan.
It looks like the bandwidth of the flight control system is very low, so there's a lot of lag between adjustments and outcomes. It seems to make it hard to fly for the operator.
Incredible🙌 Wow. 👌 At 47 seconds into the vid, there is a guy with what looks like a green 'leaf-blower', what is that used for? To dry the inside of the boat or start something, perhaps?
Hopefully the diagnostics / computer feedback can correct the slow hobbyhorse of the boat. It takes time to learn how to drive a v12 sports car around the Mt roads/same can said about the highly tuned AC boat. When the racing begins things will be interesting and the clear favs will appear. Best to the Brits. Living in the states,near the ocean- at least your AC should smoke the american boat🤞🏼
Did you happen to see the kiwis launch their contender? Within 3hours, including unwrapping it, putting her in the water, stepping the mast/wing and etc, to then demonstrating their ability to foil, tack, etc etc etc? 😂😊
Taihoro is enroute therefore not sailing while these guys are. I think the trip is 10 days. I was impressed how stable ineos was on foil and it looks slippery through the air.
@@Alec-bf2pp she was, up and down, in an uncontrolled manner, like a whores drawers. Yes, they have days to learn their vessel which implies that they have time enough to catch up with the ETNZ crews capabilities, however, spot the difference. Walk aboard and sail it as opposed to,……………. Just need time
@@robertbaird4822 pretty sure the idea is to run the skeg wet, so to speak. On the previous days they were already running low and stable, but the conditions appeared to be easier. If it looks like this downwind in a month I'd start worrying, but it doesn't seem likely IMO.
Ben will at some stage crash this into another boat, it will be the only time he will get close to another boat....the kiwi's are so far ahead its not even funny .
This boat is truly unique in concept and has the opposition seriously worried. It's doing 40 plus knots on this video and the nay sayers will be silenced when Ineos win the AC
Honestly, that self deprecation tone and delivery is really grating.. it’s a theme of this campaign.. setting themselves up for failure again. They’ve got the marketing/comms resource so it’s not like they’re short of talent. Let’s have someone who can talk and deliver to an audience in front of the camera, instead of sentences filled with awkward gaps, pregnant pauses and “um’s and ahhh’s” 🤫
They have to send someone out for interview every day. Fair that the guys in the boat don't want to be the ones that do it every time. This piece of content will be irrelevant tomorrow when there is a new one. I thought he answered the questions put to him...
Broooo if it looks like a duck 🦆 and waddles like a duck 🦆 it's a (you know what) duck. Unless the Brits are playing early ropeadope, which could be a cunning ploy, I'm not so sure... Quack quack 🦆
I wouldn't be so sure it is a radically different design to the other teams who are all fairly similar it will take them some time to get their control systems fine tuned but if the can get that sorted they have the potential to be a serious contender.
@@dulls8475 I don't know what you mean? To be fair the only hurty feelings leading into this and every other Americas cup challenge would have to be the Brits who have never ever won the cup and i can't see that changing '“Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves”...just not the American Cup waves 😶🌫
Folks only mock something they want to put down but its does not change the fact that this boat is undeniably very fast after a mere 3 days of sailing and can only get even faster
I'm a Kiwi, and although it doesn't look perfect at the moment, I am quietly worried about this boat. It's so different from the other boats so far and I do wonder if once they have the hang of it, it may just be very very fast. My gut tells me this boat is flown differently to the rest and therefore they are learning a completely new technique, hence a bit wobbly. Watch this space.
Not too sure what others see, looks a solid start to me, and the camera work from the chase boat is stunning , give that guy a pint. Thanks for posting.
Esterlla?
Lots of arm chair stuff in comments. Don't knock it till you know it. We will find out when they line up. Some bright people involved, they might get it right or wrong, but they are having a go at probably one of the hardest cups to win in sport. I do have ideas as to there cup might go but you never know in this game, good luck to all of the teams brave enough to fight this crazy game out.
What comments do you expect? Of course they are armchair, fella, that's exactly what feeds social media. Smh. Haha
It looks to be a handful to sail and the team will no doubt get the hang of it. There were some segments in this video that looked very good.
The gybe looked smooth and given it’s designed to be an ultra high performance, ergo responsive, yacht/machine, the feel will develop. Too early to judge any of them yet.
Interesting that we all watch the same footage and see different things. I thought it looks fast. A bit ragged at the moment but it's only day 3 and the first time they sailed downwind (40+ knots not bad) and I'd rather they were holding on tight while trying to tame a wild horse than trying to work out how to make am arm chair go faster.
I might be wrong and we'll only know how they compare when we start seeing the other boats sailing near each other.
I'm also glad they have gone and designed their own boat rather than build a version of New Zealand's, as the danger of doing that is that every time the Kiwis's will be one iteration of refinement ahead.
I've seen a couple of analysts claim that Ineos have taken a gamble by moving the centre of gravity farther forward than the other contenders. Apparently this offers potential performance at the cost of controllability. So the key will be learning to fly the thing. If they can master that, they might just be in the game. Looked a bit better here, despite the conditions, so let's hope they're on the right track.
Look forward to RB3 s, and all other Challengers progress over these next few months.
That's a hell of unstable sailing! Hope they keep jumping like that! :)
Said I hope it will be slow (it would be a rival less), I read, profane opinion (sorry, I don't know if this expression makes sense in English), too much criticism; I understand the disappointment for the last edition but I think it's really too early to make any judgments.
Even they don't know how fast can (really) go, the sailing experts don't know, let alone us fans/spectators. 🍺
The america's cup needs Britannia to win. 🎉
Britannia? From age of empires?
Looks fast with good control with ride height. Interesting their rudder is positioned well forward, instead of plum with the stern like the other boats.
Which is the rudder & which is the tail lifting foil?
Needs time, other teams following ETNZ will always be a step behind, this is something completely different route- and if it works it won’t be simple for others to catch up.
Seems that with the boayancy forward they can angle up and aid getting onto foils, and then once up adjust the rudder again to produce the downforce and righting moment, once they get these combinations in sync with each other it has the greater potential
They still have time on their side for more testing and fine-tuning but their progress is slower than other teams.
I thought the last sequence looked interesting (7:35).
The boat starts to sail with a bit of bow up and the rudder appears straighter? Would love to have gotten a side profile shot.
I feel like if the bow of this boat is pointed up, the rudder could be pointing down which suggests it's producing downforce.
Need those side profile shots
Rudder raked back relative to the boat waterline = downforce.
I would guess that everybody will have a steep learning curve with their latest version of foils. I presume that with improved performance comes diminished stability. That said the last iteration of foils had similar issues and the next generation will continue the trend. Two cycles form now these foils will appear to have been tame and incredibly stable.
ETNZ looks to be fast and stable with a very low ride height… right out the box last week… the other teams seem way off this.
Different conditions, way more swell here
and weren't they on old (Terahuti) foils? Dramatically simplifies the adoption of a new boat
Takes time to learn to fly a new boat. Plenty time.
ETNZ: about 20 minutes.
@@THIS_IS_SPARTA696 What clever chaps they are compared to us. Do we copy the Kiwi boat in a design that is safe and the Kiwis have far more experience or do try to win by taking risks?
Looks good
ready to sink
Its time speed radar were used to display… still only so much could be certain comparatively until they actually race but make these practice clips exciting 😀
Looks heavy on the bow. the spray from the rudder is more then the foil in some moments, like it's struggling to keep the boat in balance
That's the plan it should give them more righting moment
if they can keep the rudder in the water.
@@bobdillon1138feels like this boat can really perform in these short moments of balance, but can hardly keep it for long... For now. We know the best allrounder will win, not the boat that needs to nail a specific condition to perform well. GL to INEOS
@@Riksyy Yes...I think it will take some time to fine tune their control systems.
@@bobdillon1138 The good news is that they have more than enough time for all the fine-tuning of their systems. If there are still apparent teething issues by the onset of summer, then I'd start being concerned if I were an INEOS fan.
@@Riksyy. Are you referring to its pitching.
The boat looks awkward sailing
Are you referring to ride height and stability.
Это потому что у вас глаз замылен ...
It looks like the bandwidth of the flight control system is very low, so there's a lot of lag between adjustments and outcomes. It seems to make it hard to fly for the operator.
I actually think they sailed well for a first time hit-out.
@@briandalrymple9986 Yeah, it’s fascinating all the different designs. Especially Ineos and American Magic.
Wonderful to see INEOS, however the interviewer is a shocker... I expect much better. The interviewee was perfect.
Incredible🙌 Wow. 👌 At 47 seconds into the vid, there is a guy with what looks like a green 'leaf-blower', what is that used for? To dry the inside of the boat or start something, perhaps?
I saw that as well. Could it be a pump that sucks?
Everytime I see this boat I think of the boat in HR Puff n stuff. Literally they stole the design from that show.
HR puff n stuff..wow a blast from the past,,the most bizarre kids show ever.. the witch used to scare the hell out of me..
Id love to be wrong but it looks the slowest of the lot based on this footage.
You are nether wrong or right but you are not clever enough to realise that.
Hopefully the diagnostics / computer feedback can correct the slow hobbyhorse of the boat. It takes time to learn how to drive a v12 sports car around the Mt roads/same can said about the highly tuned AC boat.
When the racing begins things will be interesting and the clear favs will appear. Best to the Brits. Living in the states,near the ocean- at least your AC should smoke the american boat🤞🏼
Did you happen to see the kiwis launch their contender? Within 3hours, including unwrapping it, putting her in the water, stepping the mast/wing and etc, to then demonstrating their ability to foil, tack, etc etc etc? 😂😊
Slightly easier from your home base.
and they were using the foils from their old cup boat - radically easier proposition to sail than all new foils, and novel weight/geometry
Taihoro is enroute therefore not sailing while these guys are. I think the trip is 10 days. I was impressed how stable ineos was on foil and it looks slippery through the air.
@@Alec-bf2pp she was, up and down, in an uncontrolled manner, like a whores drawers. Yes, they have days to learn their vessel which implies that they have time enough to catch up with the ETNZ crews capabilities, however, spot the difference. Walk aboard and sail it as opposed to,……………. Just need time
What's it going to look like when the water is not flat
I can hardly understand what the interviewer is saying - sorry.
I can't understand what he is saying,don't apologize,it's not our fault.
Seems to be a lot of boat experts on here, probably the only foiling they know anout is tin foil their pie comes in...😀
Your right truth is this boat is truly a genuine serious contender to win the AC
@@melvinlonghurst8394 They should rename RB3 to PIG3.
It is not going to change the fact that this boat is seriously fast and it's to late for the rest to catch up
@@fabmanly1070 Does your Mummy know you are on the computer after 7?
@@dulls8475 Hahahaha looks who talking, muppet.
At this moment, the best boat seems TNZ and Luna Rossa
and American Magic?
@@orsodaspiaggia too early I think
@@poseidone5 just seen: amazing. AM will win LV cup this time. Ultraflat, stable, smooth.
Do you have the boat to win the AC?
Answer wasn't convincing
He was almost laughing at his own lies
That boat is so unstable and sailing really high, which is not ideal for racing
Because of their weight forward design I think it will take some time to fine tune their control systems
I will show them your post so they can work on it.
The have to sail high to keep that bloody great keel out of the water,the boats just another pommie brick
@@robertbaird4822 pretty sure the idea is to run the skeg wet, so to speak. On the previous days they were already running low and stable, but the conditions appeared to be easier. If it looks like this downwind in a month I'd start worrying, but it doesn't seem likely IMO.
@@robertbaird4822 Ah real hurty feelings about the empire.....
Why interview people that clearly obligated to say nothing meaningful?
They should call it 'brexit' ahahah
You all have heard about the elephant in the room?? how about the elephant on the water 😂
T. Rex.
Shots fired
I remember when Kiwis were nice modest fellows. Now their armchairs are letting them down.
If they can keep their rudder in the water when conditions are rough
i think they will be fast.
Ben will at some stage crash this into another boat, it will be the only time he will get close to another boat....the kiwi's are so far ahead its not even funny .
And then he will blame anyone but himself. That’s why he’s called Sir Ben Complainslie. 😂
I don't think so . That's a really big call
Nothing like support and positivity!
Tell me about your armchair.
I sell armchairs. Market is booming, right now.
I really don’t think they’re winning challenges this time round, the boat looks sluggish looks like an effort to keep it up out of the water.
Since when is 40 knots plus sluggish?
I see your armchair is a former Americas cup contender.
Dull by name dull by nature. You clearly have no idea of reality
This boat is truly unique in concept and has the opposition seriously worried. It's doing 40 plus knots on this video and the nay sayers will be silenced when Ineos win the AC
You’re dreaming mate.
I think not
Stern is sitting to high,mast could go further back around 20 centermeters
Great detailed analysis 😂😂😂😂
I sent your post on to Ben. They are working on it now and will get back to you.
The boat looks bulky and heavy, and slow
Usually the ones that go fast on the telemetry.
Still faster than your armchair.
@dulls8475 we'll see, haven't seen a boat yet to be a real thread to the New Zealand boat. But I enjoyed watching their dress rehearsals 😆 🤣
Sand bagging?
@@jamestalagi7897 Empire envy?
Mahh. Se non è stabile non possono procedere a forzare e conoscerne qualità e difetti , sono indietro .
we all know there are no slow boats , so whats knew
Oh man boat looks like a dog
Is RB3 Red Bull3?
Race Boat 3 i believe . .they have Mercedes backing, so very much doubt Red Bull would have anything to do with them AND Alinghi
All team refer to these boats as RB3 (Race Boat). Las y cup each team had two boats.
How does their sailing team perform in one design foiling classes? That’s the elephant in the room people.
That boat does not look right. And the team spokesmen do not sound very confident at all.
I like the first 3 letters of your name.
I'm starting to believe.
Kinda reminds me of TNZ in Bermuda when they struggled to sail the boat at the start...
Tame a wild horse?
The reporter was really annoying. Clearly didn't have any depth of knowledge. Questions were basic that even I, as an armchair sailor, could answer.
Honestly, that self deprecation tone and delivery is really grating.. it’s a theme of this campaign.. setting themselves up for failure again.
They’ve got the marketing/comms resource so it’s not like they’re short of talent. Let’s have someone who can talk and deliver to an audience in front of the camera, instead of sentences filled with awkward gaps, pregnant pauses and “um’s and ahhh’s” 🤫
They have to send someone out for interview every day. Fair that the guys in the boat don't want to be the ones that do it every time. This piece of content will be irrelevant tomorrow when there is a new one. I thought he answered the questions put to him...
So you prefer lies and cocky tw ts?
Broooo if it looks like a duck 🦆 and waddles like a duck 🦆 it's a (you know what) duck. Unless the Brits are playing early ropeadope, which could be a cunning ploy, I'm not so sure... Quack quack 🦆
I wouldn't be so sure it is a radically different design to the other teams who are
all fairly similar it will take them some time to get their control systems fine tuned
but if the can get that sorted they have the potential to be a serious contender.
Historical hurty feelings?
@@dulls8475 I don't know what you mean? To be fair the only hurty feelings leading into this and every other Americas cup challenge would have to be the Brits who have never ever won the cup and i can't see that changing '“Rule Britannia, Britannia rules the waves”...just not the American Cup waves 😶🌫
Yeh that looks nasty
Looks like a cow trying to run...
Body language is not great!
How should he stand?
Not so srable when she turn
Don’t worry, Sir Ben Complainslie will just blame someone else when he doesn’t win. 😂
Is that all you have? Upgrade your armchair.
You can't be talking about Olympic Gold medals !!
Looks unstable
Based on early footage from the first 4 boats now on the water. This boat is dead last. If you think otherwise, you are a blind fanboy!
Folks only mock something they want to put down but its does not change the fact that this boat is undeniably very fast after a mere 3 days of sailing and can only get even faster
I'm a Kiwi, and although it doesn't look perfect at the moment, I am quietly worried about this boat. It's so different from the other boats so far and I do wonder if once they have the hang of it, it may just be very very fast. My gut tells me this boat is flown differently to the rest and therefore they are learning a completely new technique, hence a bit wobbly. Watch this space.
Your spot on this boat is going to make a lot of posters on here eat their words