DreamWorld is a SCAM - Kickstarter

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  • Опубликовано: 15 янв 2025

Комментарии • 124

  • @SethEric
    @SethEric  3 года назад +50

    I just realized this project was awarded a "Project We Love" badge by Kickstarter themselves. How is everyone so out of touch with reality?

    • @CallumUpton
      @CallumUpton 3 года назад +9

      as soon as i saw that badge i made my own video on this, i went in to it from a indie dev PoV. its 100% assets

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +5

      @@CallumUpton Yep, a classic asset flip. Glad you made a video, the more people we can inform the better!

    • @jaredm8991
      @jaredm8991 3 года назад +2

      MMOs.com podcast used to cover all the kickstarters and call out all of the obvious scams, ashame they dont podcast anymore. This is as obvious as it gets so the "Project We Love" seems shady to me. They can't be that stupid

    • @zzcolby27
      @zzcolby27 3 года назад

      That pisses me off so much

    • @BarokaiRein
      @BarokaiRein 3 года назад +1

      Kickstarter also took the badge away before the campaign ended

  • @pureplay7071
    @pureplay7071 3 года назад +8

    Just to backup this is a scam, they are now telling their backers you need to get 2 other people to invest (pyramid scheme) to get pre alpha. One guy did get 2 others to invest to get this pre alpha and has now been told he has been put on a pre alpha list. There is no pre alpha and yet they are telling people, people have been playing it for the last 6 months.

  • @lightcer5339
    @lightcer5339 3 года назад +13

    Ue4 Marketplace the video game. I feel bad for these dev's reputation in the industry.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +4

      As far as I'm concerned they aren't part of the industry lol

    • @brendonkruze881
      @brendonkruze881 3 года назад +2

      @@SethEric The generic sales team gonna love them though. :D

  • @CallumUpton
    @CallumUpton 3 года назад +10

    i keep coming back for that smirk at 7:10 it has me dying

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +3

      Hahaha your videos poppin off bro!

    • @CallumUpton
      @CallumUpton 3 года назад +1

      @@SethEric ikr! It got linked in some subreddit and a few other posts on fb 🤣

  • @butnuster354
    @butnuster354 3 года назад +6

    The pity story about him losing his fiancee that is just shoehorned in there is so awkward. Also, apparently if you look at the linkedin profile of the person who "left google" to work on dreamworlds it apparently only states he interned there once.

  • @Phoenix-gz9xb
    @Phoenix-gz9xb 3 года назад +3

    I knew something was fishy from the beginning and called it out myself. I didnt even believe those weew their real names. As a 3d artist and game dev it confused me to see that project funded with the ridiculous ambitions behind it and, of course the way it looks. Its like...Asset: The Game

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice 3 года назад

      I had trouble coding my own game in Unreal Engine because it contained alot of dialog like Kotor, because I LIKE those type of games that have progressive storyline dialog and rpg elements but these guys say they can do it all on every single game genre with only 9 years of game dev experience they can do every single game genre? The claims are outrageous. The Engine can't handle all those genres. Not one developer I know of has mastered every single game genre because they all specialize in different game genre. Now they say their game is the only game that we ever will want to play. I take a couple of seconds look at their video footage at what they done in the engine to Dreamworld and saw all the unreal store assets all just dumped in and lost interest. I wouldn't pay money for this. Why charge for membership tier fees for alpha testing when the game is not even all up and running in the engine yet....And I don't like what they have done already in the engine the only good thing I see of this game is just the LOGO. That's the only thing i like about Dreamworld.. I don't think the game can be rescued because through all their stupid shenanigans they have pulled they have messed up the game's chances of having a successful launch now that people know it had a really bad start. Now when people hear the word Dreamworld they will think Dreamscam. So already people have got a negative idea now of the game
      and giving negative reviews of it before its even been launched

  • @Spiffo0
    @Spiffo0 3 года назад +10

    im baffled at how much money people have given this.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад

      I feel you, its wild.

  • @vicc6790
    @vicc6790 3 года назад +10

    The 3 people who backed for 2k are probably the 3 devs trying to make it look like they got people actually interested in that doo doo

  • @GrubbJunker
    @GrubbJunker 3 года назад +11

    A normal indie game, if you squeeze real hard, can be made with that amount of money. Maybe. An MMO? Get outta here.
    "I was working at Google, Facebook and Apple". As what, the water boy?

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +1

      Absolutely correct, I would expect this budget for an indie mobile game.

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice 3 года назад

      @@SethEric An MMO is a ton of work and with only 2 guys working on it? NO WAY. My game is alot of work and its single player, but MMO is a huge amount of work, you need at least 100 or more people working on a major MMO game surely.

  • @vicc6790
    @vicc6790 3 года назад +14

    "Most games can only host thousands. We can host millions. Don't worry, we have a 'solution.' No it's definitely real." *pow pow* "Ahhh fireworks! Our only weakness!"

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice 3 года назад +1

      Host MIllions? and how are they going to do that?

    • @jordanpowell2242
      @jordanpowell2242 3 года назад +1

      @@germanslice my thing is that if they could host millions why use Kickstarter? As every company on planet earth would be battering ramming ur door down to license your technology for their own servers

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice 3 года назад

      Well I find Unreal Engine to be alot more Harder to try to create something original in it than just dumping assets down in the engine from the store as Dreamworld did and using free plugins... I did see the Dreamworld game, and I did not like it. Now while these guys are busy going on about Dreamworld. I'm still trying to resolve issues in my own game like, ai goes dead after you leave possession of ai , getting the dialog system working with the mouse with widgets now that I got it working for the triggers in the map. Getting the levelling stats to show up for all party members instead of just showing for just one member.
      So I been running into those obstacles in my game while these Dreamworld guys just been dumping assets into the engine and then claiming that they have got a MMORG saying they have also solved major data problems with just enums, to allow million or more people onto their server and saying incorrect stuff to hype up their game and just laughing about it while taking people's money with kickstarter. The interesting thing is that all of the other professional game developers are saying these guys have done nothing but just dump assets into the engine and that they have no MMORG.

  • @animepeaches22
    @animepeaches22 3 года назад +1

    Ok the “why?” at 11:30 absolutely got me 😂🤣😂
    Subbed and hope to see more videos from you!

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +1

      Thank you! New video in the works right now!

  • @MontereyMotion
    @MontereyMotion 3 года назад +17

    I subbed after you turned to the camera and said "I'm sorry to sound insensitive here, but is it because you told her about Dreamworld?" hahaha!

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +3

      Probably my favorite part of the video lol

    • @hankjones4692
      @hankjones4692 3 года назад +1

      Haha... i did the exact same thing.

  • @peedlejaydle
    @peedlejaydle 3 года назад +1

    Did they even have the best intentions from the start or was this to scam from the outset?

  • @snapps9838
    @snapps9838 3 года назад +23

    this is so professional, please make more videos

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +5

      Thank you so much! I plan to stick around!

  • @jaredm8991
    @jaredm8991 3 года назад +8

    Fully funded in 9 hrs? Its like when people work at a coffee shop they put their own money in the tip jar to get other people to tip them more

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +1

      I definitely feel like a large chuck of the money could have been self-invested. Not a great plan though considering Kickstarter takes a cut.

    • @michellek2882
      @michellek2882 3 года назад

      @@SethEric Wouldn't be surprised if these shady backers take out their funds 1 day before the deadline if it doesn't reach the goal through legit backers.

    • @jonathansoko1085
      @jonathansoko1085 3 года назад

      I have a sneaking suspicion that they used already secured $ to fund their own kickstarter to generate "publicity".

    • @carpool_not_deadpool3356
      @carpool_not_deadpool3356 3 года назад

      how i cant even get 1 dollar in 3 years how in 9 days and their youtube has like 200 subs

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice 3 года назад

      @@SethEric Wouldn't they have been better off producing something original in the engine so people can see they are doing something original to give them credit. Those who are unreal game developers can spot unreal assets a mile away.. I put my own original ideas in the engine and use some unreal assets along with my ideas, but these guys don't seem to have anything original in the engine, just have their ideas up on their site while the stuff in the engine that I'm seeing isn't reflecting the message on the site, for
      I don't see anything original.

  • @EmeryPigg
    @EmeryPigg 3 года назад +8

    They claimed on their RUclips trailer that they're planning to hire a TEAM of developers. With a $10,000 goal.
    This men are fleecing the sheep.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +2

      Their complete lack of understanding of how much these things cost is astounding.

    • @EmeryPigg
      @EmeryPigg 3 года назад +2

      @@SethEric I honestly have no clue how much a game costs to make, but they mentioned 2 full time devs which would mean it would only be 5k per dev so unless they finish in like 2 months they're getting fucked.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +2

      @@EmeryPigg No way in hell are 2 developers going to make this game on their own, and to put the financial situation into perspective, it costs ~70 million to develop the average AAA game title. These guys are delusional.

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice 3 года назад

      @@SethEric All the ideas they talk all about of what they want their game to be would need MILLIONS of dollars to cover all of the commercial licensing costs, not just 10k or 60k. So they use store and free assets. I don't think they have even tested their ideas out to
      see if they will work in unreal engine.... For Unless they come up with all the goods in Unreal Engine of the things they promised to paying users, they are going to be in trouble with all those who financially backed up the project if they don't deliver. Even if they manage to get a bunch of schoolkids to develop their game there will be the problems of cross-contamination with the code as each kid probably does code
      different to the other...

  • @supermary-o180
    @supermary-o180 3 года назад +5

    I found your video after looking up if anyone talked about it. This is perfect, hahah! You encapsulated my thoughts exactly when I happened to see their Kickstarter.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +2

      Glad you enjoyed it! Couldn't resist making a video on it lol.

  • @sihtinen
    @sihtinen 3 года назад +3

    I sense disaster levels of burnout coming for those devs if they really have invested 100% of themselves to this delusion.

  • @Tristan3D
    @Tristan3D 3 года назад +1

    This peer to peer, no central server thing, they claim could host millions of players is nonsense. The speed of light is really fast, and the Earth isn't all too big from a lightbeam's perspective, but when a system has to zip this lightbeam back and forth literally several million times within fractions of a second to update everyone in the game world, then this can't be real-time. There will a phenomenon kick in known as "light lag". To update a million people at the same time without a central node but via p2p on a planet with a circumference of over 40.000 km and a diameter of over 12.000 km? Yeah, that would require an alcubierre style of faster than light spacial warpfield to make that happen (and for all we know, the alcubierre warpfield metric is in violation of the known laws of physics). We're talking about decaseconds of lag time - not milliseconds.
    So, this p2p hosting of millions of people sequentially will never be possible in real time on Earth; not even in a hundred years, when technology might be supercheap to host millions of people in one gameworld. It's quite literally physically impossible to make a realtime MMORPG this way. You need a central server for that, and even then: A million players on one server would be a technological nightmare to manage.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад

      I appreciate you dropping the knowledge!

  • @efru1
    @efru1 3 года назад +20

    This has to be performance art

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +2

      We can only hope...

  • @ToTaLoVeR
    @ToTaLoVeR 3 года назад +2

    As a solo ue4 dev, i see only bunch of assets from marketplace, and some of them from "free for the month", combining them together is harder that may you thinking, this isn't just a skyrim mod that you just install and it's works, this look like scam for sure.

  • @Mepper.
    @Mepper. 3 года назад +2

    I'm not familiar with the asset stores so I didn't recognize that these were all available in the store. Right now 7 people have pledged $2,000 and 17 people have pledged $300. Those 24 people represent ~30% of the total raised. When I first saw the campaign I was interested, but by the time I read through the whole campaign it seemed unreasonable and doomed to fail. I watched an interview, and their technical approach to scaling seems flawed. Their approach of trying to be everything to everybody is also terribly flawed and if they somehow got over the technical hurdles and got something working then I think they would alienate a substantial portion of the players such that they could never have a self-sustaining population to pay the IT costs. Maybe they imagine that they can do everything peer-to-peer so that they don't have to pay for a server or maybe they don't really have a plan. I don't think the guy that worked at Apple and Google ever said what he did at those companies, but I think he implied it was in some sort of IT position. Their web site is just a simple landing page that would have taken almost no technical ability to set up.

  • @DonPunch420
    @DonPunch420 3 года назад +12

    "is it because he told her about dreamworld" im fkn dead!!!!

  • @ZarKus
    @ZarKus 3 года назад +1

    i rly want to meet a person who supports games like this. ITS SUCH AN OBVIOUS SCAM.
    I bet that if i met them irl and told them im FBI and i need their cash and car they would give it to me.

  • @Rob2k22
    @Rob2k22 3 года назад +2

    Is it made in Nigeria?

  • @Testsubject276
    @Testsubject276 3 года назад

    The trailer is a hot mess. The falling animation in the beginning that is less of an animation and more of a static pose, the amount of arm swinging in the player's face with every jump (To which I'd argue nobody likes), and I'm willing to bet those spaceman models are just someone's among us model they found and threw into the mix just because.

  • @ThePhantomVulpes
    @ThePhantomVulpes 3 года назад +3

    Anyone who knows literally anything about game development knows this is going to fail and it's going to fail hard.

    • @bitrop8185
      @bitrop8185 3 года назад

      anyone who can see the gameplay knows its going to fail

    • @Luca-yq5ux
      @Luca-yq5ux 3 года назад

      @@bitrop8185 not the 12 year old backer

  • @FrostyMikhail
    @FrostyMikhail 3 года назад +1

    I love that you, Josh Strife Hayes, and Callum all made videos on this blatant scam, lol. Gotta spread awareness of crap like this! The poor people who backed it..... big time oof

  • @deanmottershead9208
    @deanmottershead9208 3 года назад

    I have seen a few videos about this and the discord is pretty hard to get onto

  • @superbird2922
    @superbird2922 3 года назад +9

    Thank you for calling this out. You're the first video I found.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад

      I was shocked when I was looking for more videos on the topic too, definitely needs to be called out more.

  • @AccIntegration
    @AccIntegration 2 года назад

    I wonder if the funding numbers were actually accurate or if DreamWorld was playing everybody with that as well. I guess I can't even fathom how many people are falling for this assuming the people donating are actually real.

  • @neoslayerpw8230
    @neoslayerpw8230 3 года назад +1

    Imagine if this all happened to look like one of those scams and they actually figured out to get millions of players, actually put a bunch of assets as a "joke" and magically made the biggest game of all time , and banned people for no reason to "make an omelette"
    Just one of those TV tropes where an obvious scam doesn't turn out to be a scam lmao

  • @pureplay7071
    @pureplay7071 3 года назад +2

    I seen this also and I thought scam when I watched it.

  • @shuishan9306
    @shuishan9306 3 года назад +1

    I loved watching this video! With all sorts of pre-made assets in that game, I felt like I was watching a different game every minute, haha.
    Anyway would love to see more of your videos on content like this! 🤣

  • @JoshuaReyes
    @JoshuaReyes 3 года назад +5

    Excellent video, thanks for making this my man🤘 This kinda of garbage is so bad for us.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +1

      Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it, and you are absolutely right.

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice 3 года назад

      @@SethEric This is not good for those of us who DO put their own original ideas into the engine who DON'T build up the whole entire game world on just pre-made marketplace assets. Can you imagine how huge his project will end up being if all Dreamworld is is just made up of hundreds of these asset packs? Which are in the GIGABYTES.

  • @chrissre7935
    @chrissre7935 3 года назад +4

    This just shows that parents need to better control kids credit cards. Because it is just Shameless at this point.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад

      I really hope that these aren't kids with their parent's credit cards because the average donation is over $100... Yikes.

    • @chrissre7935
      @chrissre7935 3 года назад +2

      @@SethEric I'm just thinking who would be dumb enough. Also wondering why KS didn't block it. It blocked similar scam game projects like "Raw".

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад

      @@chrissre7935 Something I didn't realize while making this video, it has a Kickstarter "Project We Love" badge. I am beyond words.

    • @chrissre7935
      @chrissre7935 3 года назад +1

      ​@@SethEric I think it's because of that "sob story" he told. That sounded like that underdog story you hear during MLM recruitment. XD

    • @germanslice
      @germanslice 3 года назад

      @@SethEric They're charging 100 bucks donations for a game built with just unreal assets and plugins ??? and they done nothing original themselves. That's about the price you pay for an original finished commercial game !!! OMG..

  • @TeethGaming
    @TeethGaming 3 года назад +1

    65000$ raised now xD. This just seems a little suspect

  • @deanbouvier8529
    @deanbouvier8529 3 года назад +1

    Love the dripping sarcasm. Kudos! Call it out for the bs it is. Had a good laugh, too bad it's likely going to ruin things for legit teams seeking funding now and in the future.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад

      I appreciate the kind words! and yes, this project is a mess...

  • @bibib8583
    @bibib8583 3 года назад +1

    Lol that was exactly my thought! Glad someone caught onto that

  • @yisroel6
    @yisroel6 3 года назад +1

    Fantastic, entertaining video. I'm curious to see more content on good game design practices and player psychology. It sounds like you have a great deal of knowledge ready to be shared.

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +1

      I'm so glad you enjoyed and I hope to impress in future videos! Thanks for the kind words!

  • @sae2318
    @sae2318 2 года назад +1

    the DreamWorld is the bad brother of the minecraft

  • @Listersmate2
    @Listersmate2 3 года назад

    Gabe Kaplin used this project to try to slander his ex fiancé name.....who actually left him for being an abusive & manipulative liar!

  • @yauns358
    @yauns358 3 года назад +2

    Underrated af

  • @River_StGrey
    @River_StGrey 3 года назад +1

    This was the funniest video I've seen on the subject. Don't know if you've kept up with it at all, but they closed today with something around $70K

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад +1

      Thank you! and yes I saw that unfortunately :/ I feel really bad for everyone who backed.

    • @River_StGrey
      @River_StGrey 3 года назад

      @@SethEric Same. And like you said at the end, it hurts legitimate and competent developers so much.
      Would love to see more videos, if there's other parts of game development you feel worth talking about.

  • @metalnep
    @metalnep 3 года назад

    Love your intellectual take on Kickstarter scam review man 👍

  • @TheGrimGary
    @TheGrimGary 3 года назад

    I pledge 4m Quatloo's towards Everything Land! I want to be the first cube owner!

  • @LasseRafnDk
    @LasseRafnDk 2 года назад +1

    A bad Garrys Mod and Minecraft merger. All the annoying messy assets from Garrys Mod, with all the destruction/creation of Minecraft.
    And if you've ever played Minecraft online, you know servers HAS to prevents destruction of houses, trees etc.. because players are d*cks and will make a mess to annoy everyone else..
    Infinite freedom + online = disaster, even if they pulled it off.

  • @carpool_not_deadpool3356
    @carpool_not_deadpool3356 3 года назад

    reminds me of fable all promises no show

  • @Rob2k22
    @Rob2k22 3 года назад +1

    Makes Kickstarter look like a joke

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад

      Absolutely considering they gave it a "Project We Love" badge.

  • @crowcoregames1785
    @crowcoregames1785 3 года назад

    "millons of players"
    "it wont have a server"
    yep makes sense to me
    lmao.
    also all the animations used are plugins, defult ones you can get with the asets they are useing, sutch as :
    100 varied trees, fantcy gem mining pack, defult bulding tool, pirate island, ship with interior, candyland, defult snow level (this comes with a plug in that makes the modle auto block in snow), varied "cute animal" packs all from the same creator it looks like, firework effects pack, fantsy city pack.
    oh and the pirate island level they show has a "press p to play" in the top right witch would play a demo film of the demo level (meaning they didnt even make the level lmao.
    they slaped together a bunch of asets and plugins, with no coding of there own, so yeh the reson the animations look bad is becuse they are plugin ones they have just cut off, the pickaxe for example is "heavy sword swing" (a defult animation you can get using a plugin) but cut off.
    this is laughably bad .
    that's right the fireworks are not even animated by them its a default animation that comes with the pack lmao.
    also "i lost my job, my feioncy left me" hmmm someone needs money HMMM, also this is emotional manipulation imo.
    also other people have said they made the cyrstal wall but i know for a fact that its in a cyrstal defult pack as i used it at school one time.
    the monster animations? a plugin, basic taiming/riding i beleve.
    so what did they make themselves?
    nothing literally nothing, the gold text is just text with a basic gold mat texture.

  • @Eilanzer
    @Eilanzer 3 года назад +1

    people ARE that stupid, believe it....fear it!

  • @maxm04a
    @maxm04a 3 года назад

    At least fake the fireworks and animate it a bit.. remind me never to back your projects either then 😂

  • @roberthouse1097
    @roberthouse1097 3 года назад

    Well DreamWorld is obviously a bust but I can’t wait for EverythingLand!

  • @steliokontos3427
    @steliokontos3427 3 года назад +1

    I love that the guy says I worked for these three super companies and I quit to work on this game and we ran into the problem that games can only hold a few thousand people but then we found the solution....... Thank you for joining like lol what was the solution you said it like you were gonna say it lol

  • @LasseRafnDk
    @LasseRafnDk 2 года назад +1

    all the clips just looks like a bunch of mess... "Lets buy 500 3D objects and throw them everywhere"
    Like a crappy Garrys Mod

  • @bobbyamdro7987
    @bobbyamdro7987 3 года назад +1

    Your pretty cool dude

    • @SethEric
      @SethEric  3 года назад

      Hey, you're pretty cool too!

  • @dyotoorion1835
    @dyotoorion1835 3 года назад

    Funny! xD

  • @AbandonSafety
    @AbandonSafety 3 года назад +1

    Please make more videos