Formerly known as can't move, can't attack, can't escape. I resorted to being a hybrid back then. Mixed 1 hand jab with lightning fury on trash packs. 2-hand spear was a glass cannon.
I play classic LoD with bowason. Even before watching this video I understood, that these skills actually make Amazon weaker, so I rebuilt my gal WITHOUT those))
Just gotta say, I've been watching for a while now. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying thank you for all the in depth knowledge and content with a side dish of comedy and relaxing vibes you put off. Cheers Mr. Ginger!
Also known as: huh, hngh, hah.....dead my first character was a everything in all skills build. It was horrible and i think i died more often because of dodging than to monsters. BUT with these changes i´m excited, so much more to explore 20+ years later
I'm looking forward to 2.4. My Amazon is waiting at the beginning of Hell for it. She's a Lightning Strike Javazon and I'm trying to make her very tanky for Hell. I have Guardian Angel so I'm maxing Block and getting all my resistances to 90. I'll have to decide how many points to invest in these Avoidances abilities to further reduce incoming attacks.
Huh, I had only ever put a couple points in the avoidances at most, mainly due to how quickly the benefits drop. I might change that with a new amazon in the future. You may want to increase your own skill in that if that fluffy boy tries to bite you again in the future. 🤓
Is the bug fixed, which used to nullify your damage of a thrown lighting fury, while evading when it is mid air? I sometimes even have the feeling my charged bolts do no damage after evade animations.
Avoidance and blocking are checked separately. Only if they fail Chance to Hit calculation takes place. Agility is part of your total Defense Rating, together with armor and other bonuses. Keep in mind that avoidance and block will protect you even from some attacks that your armor won't: for instance you can Avoid Bone Spear, or Hydras in Travincal, or partially block Diablo's red lightning (1/2 is physical, 1/2 lightning) or Nilathak's Corpse Explosion (1/2 physical, 1/2 fire). Defense Rating is only checked against attacks that are assigned Attack Rating (usually Attack 1 and Attack 2, or Melee Attack 1 and Melee Attack 2 in the bestiary). If something doesn't have Attack Rating, armor will have no effect.
You are looking for an order of operations, Sure I can provide that, keep in mind however that some things avoid certain stages of the OOP. I.e. a spell like hydra doesn't check defense or block ect. The Order is Thus Defense > Shield/weapon block > Dodge, Avoid, & Evade However a Spell like Lightning which does not check defense and could only be blocked by assassin weapon block would go either A Straight to Weapon block(dual Claws) or Straight to Evade/Avoid for a missile dodge attempt.
@@wladimir.Quiroz 5k armor isn"t a bad start. To give you a picture, at lvl 80 you go to cows with 5k, they will have 47% chance to hit you - every other hit will connect. If you farm Baal at lvl 90, he will have 69% chance to hit you. There is still a way to go, 13-15k Defense Rating builds aren't unheard of :)
@@marianpetera8436 defense is difficult to build on zones they don't have any multiplication skills. Paladin has holy shield and defiance, druid has bear, barbarian has iron skin and shout, even sorceress has her ice armors. Amazon has none unfortunately. So 5k defense on a zon is a pretty fair goal
Formerly known as can't move, can't attack, can't escape.
I resorted to being a hybrid back then. Mixed 1 hand jab with lightning fury on trash packs. 2-hand spear was a glass cannon.
Haha I like it
I play classic LoD with bowason. Even before watching this video I understood, that these skills actually make Amazon weaker, so I rebuilt my gal WITHOUT those))
Lol
I am glad that you did not *Avoid* this topic, or *Evade* the difficult questions, much less *Dodge* the potentials in these Skills!
Oh Don't worry I won't Circumvent the chat.
Just gotta say, I've been watching for a while now. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying thank you for all the in depth knowledge and content with a side dish of comedy and relaxing vibes you put off. Cheers Mr. Ginger!
Thank you Justin much appreciated
Wow didn’t know that about some spells being classified as missiles. Another very informative and knowledgeable video from ggm
That's right get out there and Dodge some lightning.
Also known as: huh, hngh, hah.....dead my first character was a everything in all skills build. It was horrible and i think i died more often because of dodging than to monsters. BUT with these changes i´m excited, so much more to explore 20+ years later
Lol
Your content is always great and helpful. Thanks mate
Glad to help
This explains why I died so much in the early days as an Amazon pumping points into these
I'm looking forward to 2.4.
My Amazon is waiting at the beginning of Hell for it.
She's a Lightning Strike Javazon and I'm trying to make her very tanky for Hell.
I have Guardian Angel so I'm maxing Block and getting all my resistances to 90. I'll have to decide how many points to invest in these Avoidances abilities to further reduce incoming attacks.
Learning a lot with your videos
Huh, I had only ever put a couple points in the avoidances at most, mainly due to how quickly the benefits drop. I might change that with a new amazon in the future. You may want to increase your own skill in that if that fluffy boy tries to bite you again in the future. 🤓
Rude Mr NiNi
Love these videos
Dodge?
*Gohan sweats nervously*
Lol he let video hit him with that attack let's be honest
Also helps a lot
Is the bug fixed, which used to nullify your damage of a thrown lighting fury, while evading when it is mid air? I sometimes even have the feeling my charged bolts do no damage after evade animations.
animations no longer interrupt anything so probably
Seems like evade verbiage points back to dodge which means it’s also been fixed.
This can be combined with block, right? Or will having a shield equipped prevent them from triggering?
Yes evades do combine with block, which makes them extremely tanky.
Checked last, after defense and blocking have failed.
@@GGMentor Awesome!
With all the plus skill one point each is okay 👍
For the Amazon yes, for the Valkyrie no. Hard points are required for the valk to benefit. If you want a tanky valk that is.
Same goes for the decoy
I once made a passive only amazon. Reached lvl 85. My Valkyrie could solo hell Baal minions.
The only thing max passive zon valk can't solo is uber duriel, it takes 3 casts
Just wondering, I know the Valkyrie gets these skills too - does it show the animation from the Valkyrie as well?
Sometimes
I love your content
How are these skills doing today after 2.6?
amazingly well, they are very good additions to any amazon to increase their overall survivability
@@GGMentor I'm playing hardcore with my cold Amazon,
max freezing arrow
max cold arrow
10 dodge,10avoid,10evade
Max Valkyrie?
Do you agree?
@@miquelsubira3076I agree that you have those points in those skills. 😂
I think I know the answer to this but I'm going to ask anyways: can you avoid curses? My guess is you can't.
No, but there are two ways you can severely reduce their duration.
#1 Fade
#2 cleansing Aura
You can also use a shrine or well to remove them instantly.
Hello, how does defense, block chance and agility are calculated here? Before or after avoidances?
Avoidance and blocking are checked separately. Only if they fail Chance to Hit calculation takes place. Agility is part of your total Defense Rating, together with armor and other bonuses.
Keep in mind that avoidance and block will protect you even from some attacks that your armor won't: for instance you can Avoid Bone Spear, or Hydras in Travincal, or partially block Diablo's red lightning (1/2 is physical, 1/2 lightning) or Nilathak's Corpse Explosion (1/2 physical, 1/2 fire).
Defense Rating is only checked against attacks that are assigned Attack Rating (usually Attack 1 and Attack 2, or Melee Attack 1 and Melee Attack 2 in the bestiary). If something doesn't have Attack Rating, armor will have no effect.
You are looking for an order of operations, Sure I can provide that, keep in mind however that some things avoid certain stages of the OOP. I.e. a spell like hydra doesn't check defense or block ect.
The Order is Thus Defense > Shield/weapon block > Dodge, Avoid, & Evade
However a Spell like Lightning which does not check defense and could only be blocked by assassin weapon block would go either A Straight to Weapon block(dual Claws) or Straight to Evade/Avoid for a missile dodge attempt.
@@GGMentor thanks man. It would be fun to have a javazone with 5k of armor, 75% block chance, and full avoidance. The most tank build ever.
@@wladimir.Quiroz 5k armor isn"t a bad start. To give you a picture, at lvl 80 you go to cows with 5k, they will have 47% chance to hit you - every other hit will connect. If you farm Baal at lvl 90, he will have 69% chance to hit you. There is still a way to go, 13-15k Defense Rating builds aren't unheard of :)
@@marianpetera8436 defense is difficult to build on zones they don't have any multiplication skills.
Paladin has holy shield and defiance, druid has bear, barbarian has iron skin and shout, even sorceress has her ice armors.
Amazon has none unfortunately.
So 5k defense on a zon is a pretty fair goal
I had a cheated amazon years ago with all passive tree at 20, nobody could hit her and valkyri killed everything
This game is still 100 times better than Diablo 3
Hah yeah
Has it actually been fixed though?
yes I tested it conclusively with several characters it is definitively fixed.
amazon is a he or she now?
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