The Talk Show Live From WWDC 2023
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
- John Gruber is joined by special guests John Ternus, Mike Rockwell, Craig Federighi, and Greg Joswiak to discuss Apple’s announcements at WWDC 2023. Recorded at The California Theatre in San Jose, Wednesday 7 June 2023.
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Time Stamps:
00:00:00 - Welcome
00:01:40 - Kolide
00:03:22 - John Ternus: Mac Hardware
00:38:42 - Mike Rockwell: Vision Pro and VisionOS
01:21:12 - Craig Federighi: Platforms and Software 
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Craig Federighi continues to be the coolest man alive.
Such a surprise. HAVE to watch till the very end 🤘
Sure. For the uncoolest men alive.
*in tech
wrong. I am the coolest man alive. The work I did helped the entire planet. Apple only works for people to buy from them.
The next CEO of Apple much more in the Steve Jobs mould.
Anyone watching this video please don't miss the last 1 minute. Craig Federighi ... respect!!!
I’m not asking for John to ask more incisive or difficult questions - I’d settle for softballs if they were delivered at a reasonable and coherent pace! Just give the execs a simple question and let them speak
Yeah his questions take FOREVER to be asked. I still love him though. And his podcast is much better in my opinion in this regard.
If only John could let go just a little and ask short questions at a reasonable pace 😅
If Craig would become the next CEO I would feel very comfortable with Apple being in good hands.
Craig is a great software guy, no one doubts that. But, as Steve Jobs once said, people who care about software, they build their own hardware. And to build and manufacture hardware requires you to be a master of operations, especially manufacturing. That's why Tim Cook has done an amazing job. He may not have designed the Vision Pro, but he's the reason Apple can manufacture and ships something as technologically advanced as that.
Tim Cook's leadership includes the revitalization of the iPad (thanks to the introduction of a stylus for professionals), the introduction of Apple Watch (and its continued innovation when it comes to personalized health), and now the Vision Pro. That doesn't even mention the amazing innovation of the M series. This proves that operation leaders can run Apple exceptionally well.
You know how auto manufacturers release incredible concept cars in those auto shows? And then 5 years later, they come out with a junky version of that concept? That's because the car designers are talented, but the company just isn't able to manufacture those complicated car designs. For Apple, this problem doesn't exist, thanks to operation experts like Tim Cook. It gives hardware designers free realm to make the products of the future.
I think Jeff Williams should replace Tim in the event of a retirement. We can always rely on Craig (and his crew of talented software engineers) for shipping incredible software forever. But can he talk to China or India about manufacturing the R1 chip at a particular rate and for a specific price point? Can he convince Japanese manufacturers to produce a specific lens filter for Vision Pro, again at a scale to match Apple's insane consumer demand? Steve Jobs himself didn't build iOS, or any of its features. But he was an operations kingpin, a veteran who since the 1970s understood the importance of manufacturing and shipping great hardware. Craig has 0 experience in this world. Shipping a few software features every year is not a unique trait in Silicon Valley, and certainly isn't what makes Apple so insanely great.
There's other executives that have known Jobs for longer, worked for Apple for longer, and been loyal to Apple for longer.
I felt the opposite
@@user-sm3vh3wo7vfrom what we hear this is what I think also. We need to keep CFed at all costs. I think he wouldn’t want to be CEO anyway then he could do the great work on the platforms that he knows he’s great at and we all love. It’s not an insult to him, he is just in the perfect job he was meant to do. That’s a compliment
We need a software guy on their right hand and hardware guy on their left one. Whoever sit on ceo should be able to use both hands expertly.
FINALLY! I’ve been refreshing my RUclips feed for days now! 😂
Me too 🎉
I just had on notifications for this channel :)
@@dtemp132 lol 😂 what an easy solution
It’s always great to hear from the highest levels of Apple in an informal setting. Craig’s solo is a new god-tier moment in Apple history.
Just some constructive feedback though, John. The long pauses and long winded questions really disrupted the flow of the conversation for me. Sometimes the questions were several minutes long. It’d be great to hear more short, open-ended questions that encourage the guests to be more conversational and open. Anyway, great job on the overall production. I look forward to next years!
I just came here after listening to see the ending and wow I had no idea how much smartspeed was working on those questions
Not sure I could do it but I think Gruber needs to chill or have prepared better.
Thanks again for giving us more insight to Apple. It’s always great to see some of the challenges and thoughts behind the products.
Portland, JAMAICA in the Building!!!
Didn't think Craig could get any more awesome BUT HE DID
John is John - it was why Marco used The Talk Show to test trim silence
As John has said in the past, to get these execs he can’t ask questions they would not be willing/able to answer.
TTS is always a rambling attractive mishmash.
True the gems of insight come between lengthy rambles…
Constructive criticism: very average questions, you stated a lot of “facts” that were immediately debunked in the answer, especially in the first half about the products. Too much talking by the host about irrelevant details, please as more high level questions if you don’t fully understand the technical details. I feel we could have more out of these conversation with more focused questions and less talking, the guests were awesome and would provide awesome details into the challenges of their work but instead were asked questions about price points. That is such a surface level detail and there’s such a deep level of work behind these products and strategies. This episode ended up being meh for me. Good luck next time.
I think John Gruber is very insightful and his comments are deep and very intelligent but when you’re conducting an interview, you just have to ask good but short questions in order to let the guests answer and talk the most. Just let them dig themselves out the holes where your questions might put them and don’t try to answer for them. I mean, Jos, Craig, John Ternus and the other one are more than capable to navigate the most difficult questions that may come their way. Just don’t help them.
Please note that I am not trying to be disrespectful to Gruber. I think that especially this Talk Show should be about hearing what Apple has to say and less about John Gruber’s insights.
Yes! Yes! Yes! I really hope John Gruber reads this. He needs some very explicit feedback on his interviewing skills. Significantly less talking, more direct questions, more confidence in putting people on the spot, and less self-disclosures.
He’s not trying to be like others though. If you listen to his show regularly he’s just being the same albeit he got off to a nervous start here I think Joz appears to be a little intimidating to him.
Totally 1000% agree with you. Gruber’s interview style is detrimental to the experience…it’s like “bruvv, let them Apple people speak!”
They let John do this because he's John. Not because he's like another kind of interviewer.
And yet John continues to get this extraordinary access to Apple execs. It’s easy to sit back in your room and say that, it’s a whole other thing to be the interviewer on stage in front of hundreds of people with bright spot lights shining on you. Yea, it’s not as easy as it looks. No matter how well prepared you are with notes etc, being the one leading an on stage interview is incredibly hard. I’m think John does a great job, and Apples execs clearly enjoy doing it with him.
Craig Federighi. Technically brilliant, and now we found out he's musically gifted as well. What an amazing person.
He talks about it in this video, which is great btw. He is really funny! ruclips.net/video/43sjym5ZS68/видео.html
Dude, if it wasn’t clear it was just playback 😂😂
@@meandyou537 yes, no cable/transmitter and slightly out of sync. but: you cant‘t pretend to play like that if you can’t play for real.
@@janhofmann3499 There's a cable. Hard to see because of the dark background but stands out against Joz's shirt when he lifts the guitar out of the case.
@@meandyou537 it's actually wired!!! you blind????
Happy to see the acknowledgment of the Believe shirts. Good job Siracusa.
But people are probably wearing them wrong.
When I saw John Ternus was one of the guests I was hoping he’d be wearing one, but still, I love that they acknowledged it!
That one more thing with Craig at the end was super cool! But yeah, like many others in the comments, I really wish John did not take a few minutes to formulate a simple question out of fear to offend the executives.
Dah. Gruber constantly tripping over his own questions - such as they are - almost makes this unlistenable. And I agree with others, they were not very penetrating questions either.
I think he's trying to frame them in a way that makes decisions look good.
Like talking about the mac pro and its expandability, like it's upgradable and expandable if you don't need to replace the CPU, GPU, and memory.
penetrating questions get them to close up and never come back again.
Man ... watching and listening to this is painful. I had to speed the video up and play it at 1.25x for it to seem "normal".
I don’t know how you’ll be able to keep outdoing yourself with these events. It’s as much of a must watch as the keynote
next year….. kanye
Ok. Settle down a bit.
He could outdo himself by shutting up and letting the guests talk
1:57:08 the moment you're here for
Did Gruber even know this was happening? Bizarre note reading awkwardness throughout. Agree with others he should have let execs talk and lose the dork bit.
Great but took too long to ask the questions.
I've been a fan of Gruber's work for a long time, and by no means am I an Apple hater. This interview felt like a significant step down from talk shows of previous years.
Apple has made a bunch of announcements that lead to a number of interesting questions about the role and future of computing - but despite that, Gruber's questions failed to approach anywhere interesting.
Most of the interview was him going on long, positive tangents about Apple, and then implicitly prompting the executives to follow up with whatever marketing speak they wanted to bring up.
I'd really like to see shorter, more focused, and tougher questions next year. Joanna Stern's also interviewed these same executives in the past, and I think she sets a much better template for what this format should look like.
Agreed! Even playing this video at 1.75x speed, I was still falling asleep and fatigued by the Looooong Questions that sometimes got nowhere.
Yep, he just fucking rambles on and on. So many interesting philosophical Qs could have been asked about Vision as a product, to pick their brains and get insight into their thought process, but nothing was asked at all.
Yeah I am glad I didn’t pay to see this!
Stern is better
Gruber is in cognitive decline. He should retire because it is painful and annoying to watch.
Great video but I think the interviewer came across as unprepared and unfocused.
Waaaaay too much talking from Gruber. The questions had too big of a windup. The pauses were LONG... it was a pretty awkward interview (or series of interviews). It's great to hear from these Apple Execs (as that is rare), but boy oh boy was the pace of this interview frustrating.
John needs to take more cues from Tyler Cowen on how to ask questions: know what you're going to ask. Be brief. Let the guest(s) do most of the talking.
Finally 🎉 Boss Man Craig Federighi is in the house! Thanks to John Gruber 👏🏻👏🏻
The yearly upload on this channel never fails. So stoked for this!
Can someone other than John do this next year? It takes him 3 minutes to ask a question and most of the time it isn't a question just an observation. I like the guy but they can get someone better for these situations (though perhaps Apple isn't willing to sit with anyone else since John's questions are so softball).
I wasn’t sure about Vision Pro but now i’m sure that one year after launch, business class cabins will be filled with people using this thing.
my brother in christ, some of your questions are three minutes long - get out of the way!
John Gruber SUCKED in this interview. Long pauses within a phrase…
I really appreciate that you do this, but I really come here to listen to the guests. I wouldn't be surprised if you ended up talking more than they did. It would probably help if you get your questions organized before hand. You can skip all the stuff around questions they won't answer, even if it's to say they won't answer them. We know, get on with the content. You don't need to tell a story to ask your questions.
I have been waiting for days, and finally it is here. Thank You again for doing this amazing show and it keeps getting better every year, its like the extended cut of the keynote and Craig playing guitar was the bonus feature I didn't know I needed
The pace is unbearably slow, and Gruber's pauses after every other word make it very painful to watch. I just couldn't take it after first 20 minutes.
John could be the worst interviewer I've ever heard.... such a waste of amazing access to Apple executives to just talk the entire time and be a horrible communicator who can't ask a simple question....
Been reading Daring Fireball since I was a teenager but this was a huge waste of time
where is the video of wwdc 2024
John Gruber’s shoe laces are uncanny 😂
Why are they so long? They were distracting me.
😂
The fact that Craig's a metalhead is so cool, I think we have our next captain in this ship.
Worst host. This is not a podcast about you Gruber. This is an on stage interview with an audience. Please prepare actual questions instead of a rambling commentary. I felt like I was under water and couldn’t breath while watching you trying to speak half the time. Get Brian Tong or MKBHD or even Bill Maher to host next year.
I agree 100%
Great guest, I just wish Gruber just asked an open-ended question w/out the LONG....preamble. Let the guests be the star.
Genuinely hard to watch. Gruber’s awkwardness and terrible, terrible “questions”, the camera shaking and poor audio, yikes.
Luckily the Apple people are consummate professionals and salvaged the interview as best they could.
If you're going to ask questions that you think might offend the person you're interviewing, maybe you should think up how you're going to word those questions ahead of time. Sitting there stammering around is uncomfortable for everyone involved.
And constantly looking at his flash cards, if I did that in school I would fail lol
Incredible contrast to the keynote where presenters feel AI generated. Here you got real people. Craigs exit is how one finishes a show. Just sometimes I’d wish John would not put the answers in the question and give more speaking time to the guests. Anyway, will watch it again.
Gruber has to be careful how he toes the line with them. They view this as just more marketing for their products not a chance to be real with us. He knows if he wants to keep this high profile show every year he has to throw them mostly cookies and not push them if he throws them a curve.
Oprah Syndrome
@@outdevo While I get what you're saying, I think he did ask them questions that were appropriately easy/tough. He just has to reel in his desire to understand their thinking and then saying that thought process out lout, all in his question. I wonder if he'd do better without the cards and just had a back and forth conversation.
Next year, give away “Everything is fun, John” cozies to the audience. Should help with the bottles.
J/k - Great show John!!!
What an amazing show. I wish someday I could see it live there!
Finally 🎉I have be waiting for the past two days for this 🎉🎉
Ha ha, In my eyes Craig is always the star of WWDC. When he come on I’m always like Hair Force One is in the house
Most excruciating 2 hour conversation ever. Was Mr. Fireball impaired during this interview? What was going on? Did Apple choose Mr. Fireball and select the questions?
Always look forward to this each year! Awesome ending too haha
thanks for this. always a good watch.
Great show as always!
This was incredible! Thank you
At 57:20 there is mention of a sneak peek about personas being “volumetric” and mention to “go take a look at the end of that”, anyone figure out what this is in reference to?
It's in reference to the "Spatial Personas" teaser at the end of SotU: ruclips.net/video/sby0V96sF7s/видео.html
What a great show!!
Just a tip - put the YT speed settings at 1.25x. Kinda like a podcast, it's way more enjoyable to shorten the dead moments. Gruber's conversational style can definitely be long-winded.
As always, the best Talk Show out.
More direct questions please
Here we go!!
Thank you
Really great Show!
Just one question has not been answered.
Are those Coffee-mugs form Fellow Products? If so, how can I get one?
Edit out all the awkward silences and these would be 30 mins long
Boring AF the first 10 mins … lots of sycophantic ass kissing😂
Not at all. Silence emphasises the question that he is going to ask. If everyone took time to think through a question or remark before uttering it many misunderstandings could be avoided.
@@knowledgeisgood9645 he waffles on with no sense of direction - look how many times the guests have to interrupt with an actual coherent response.
@@knowledgeisgood9645if you come in prepared, you do not need air time to think them over…
@@charliecrews4864 He comes prepared. He just wants to think again. If you know him you would not be surprised. He is not a fast thinker, but he does well given time.
Craig is a philosopher and a huge entertainer. Great dude!
Thanks John
How have I not seen this show in past years? Great show.
now,i use that channel for practice my english,i am beginning in my english,but i am very happy with my progress
Craig and Jos seem like such fun guys to be around. Jos in particular seems to have a really good sense of humour.
If I had to hear that fake laugh every day, I'd probably make myself go deaf.
It's funny that the closed captions call Joz "Jaws".
That’s friggin yanks for ya
Glad John asked about the iMac. Once they refresh it that’ll be my first purchase
My reaction after the Vision topic: Shut up and take my money
Geez. Does anyone know how to ask questions anymore?
I'm only 20 mins in, but too many softball questions.
Almost as painful to watch as Chris Farley "interviewing" Paul McCartney from SNL. Getting these execs on the record in an interview is a rare occurence. JG should prepare/practice his questions in advance and work on his stiffness as an interviewer. Or perhaps hire someone else to handle the main part of the interview, and serve as a 'color' man to add to the conversation.
But yeah, been watching these for a few years now and it's just painful.
I generally love these Live shows from WWDC. But this year, Gruber appeared to be completely unprepared. The questions (if you could stay awake long enough to hear the full questions) were wandering, pointless, and in some cases downright stupid. The only thing that saved this year's show is the banter between Joswiak and the other execs. And of course, Craig makes it worth staying awake for in the end.
this interviewer seems mad awkward and uncomfrtable on stage... dude cant string a sentence together
The video quality of the show gets even better every year. Kudos to the team behind this!
The guests were great
I need to know what kind of shoes John Turnis had on. Anyone know?
what a show!! i can't believe i didn't go to this show on live... shame on me
Tickets were $150, and they have the audacity to call it a “free bar”?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Mugs.
Craig can do ‘tapping’ on his guitar - cool!
Thx
OMG. John always talks more then his guests, that is why i stopped listening to his podcast, as it gives him the looks of a self absorbed person. In addition in this show, he gives the impression of asking “hard questions” (why did the monitor launch went so impossibly glitchy) but fails to get an answer. His answer is just being ignored. Often by himself blabling on.
It was all laughs and slap each other backs…
Yeah, I stopped listening to The Talk Show because he rambles on and the amount of content is low for its length.
Correct. Would have loved to hear more from from the talented guests. Opportunity missed
he is self-absorbed... he has an entire interview in which he drones on and on about his need to be always be right and how he finds more pleasure in telling somebody they're wrong than in being right....
On the 13" MacBook Pro, oddly enough my high school age kids actually prefer that to an Air and mostly for the Touch Bar! I am steering them to the 15" M2 Air but they are strongly attracted to the MBP 13 with Touch Bar for some reason. I tell them Touch Bar development is at an end and the advantages of mag safe in the Air.
Be careful with your bad designs, kids. Someone might get addicted to them. ;)
Same with my two daughters. they chose a MMP 13” Touchbar for college, when that is all Apple sold for MBP. But, both done with college and years later they both bought a new MBP 13” with Touchbar. I tried to steer them away from it, but …nope.
Who ever was at the sound board must have been drinking as the volume would keep going up and down especially in the second half, and some mic's where not turned on soon enough.
Craig Is The Best!
1:15:48 What’s insane to me is these execs have “22 8k streams” memorized, when they are also fully aware of the capabilities of the NEXT generation product… it must be difficult to keep in their head what’s currently on market
There is a common perception of executives being lazy and letting their underlings do the work. Executives/managers like that get chewed up and spit out at Apple.
At Apple a manager is a expected to be capable of participating in a technical discussion about any product or feature that falls under them. There is no room for faking it because you get exposed instantly.
This is brutally painful to watch.
57:56 where can I see this? He is saying that the facetime window is also available in a volumetric way??
Can Hair Force One get any cooler? Apparently yes.
Stickers are cool. I'm a stickerer. LOL
Holy smokes what an ending!! 😂😂 👏👏👏
Did you ‘Touch Bar’ a nerve there 😂 9:28
I want to know what brand shoes are they wore?
That Craig ending was “blow away” cool.
Been waiting for this. Incredible show! 👏🏻👏🏻
Joswiak has the careless rich white bachelor laugh down pat.
I never comment much, but can say I have been following you for many years (including Craig, Greg, Eddy, Tim and gang) I just have to give my 2 cents.
My advise would be to focus on the story line and topic: WWDC is about developers and software so maybe don't spend too much time on Mac Pro hardware which is interesting for a select (and limited) audience, instead try to go wider: Prepare short questions in more quantity around the topics, get some guidance with interviewing, let the guys do the talking, practice your tempo and follow up questions, do mic checks at every new guest, don't ask questions they will never answer (waste of time, and who cares about the internal codes? ;) I really hope you keep doing it and you keep growing and improving it. Good luck and thank you so much for hosting! 🙏
He's been doing this long enough that obviously he has no interest in changing or improving anything at this point. If he wanted to, he would have done it.
13:21 the iMac if anyone is interested.
Nothing comes out of it but, it's something.
I wish to see a fully immersive view of our universe.
it’s time 🍿