I hate to sound negative, but I feel that Meyer committed a major sin by not including Heinrich Brüssow in the national team. Brüssow was the most gifted turnover artist in an era that included McCaw, George Smith, David Pocock, and Steffon Armitage.
Ek het nog altyd groot respek vir Heyneke as persoon en vir sy deeglike afrigterswerk! Toe ek nou weer so na hom kyk, dink ek dat hy uitstekend sou inpas as die gladiator in die nuwe gladiator film! Heyneke, hou aan met jou deeglike afrigterswerk!
I think taken all the factors into consideration he is an excellent coach and did the best what he could. If one also considers the fact that the result of the matches is an a knife edge he was at the time the best man for the Job. We can talk a lot but he produced the goods. I take my hat off for him.
I agree with you. Coaches are ultimately judged by their results. Heyneke had a winning record against everyone except New Zealand (and Japan). But for a refereeing decision here and the bounce of the ball we might have beaten the All Blacks a maximum of two more times by my estimation under Meyer. He led us to third at the Rugby World Cup which is respectable. As for the style, well that's a debate in and of itself. You would have noticed him and I discussed that topic and I brought up the Boks chasing bonus points in the last 10 minutes of matches and pulling it off. The rugby couldn't have been that horrible if they could do that but one thing we know for sure is that stereotypes die with great difficulty.
Thanks Willie. I agree. No one can accuse Heyneke of ever leaving a stone unturned. And you know what? I've invited him onto my show twice and both times he did not hesitate to hop online and give of his time. Top guy and a top guest. PS He's actually not big on doing interviews these days so I'm really pleased he agreed to come on again!
Great insight and interview, didn't always agree with his selections and many times it was vindicated, but he thought that he felt was best as he works with the players, not us as the fans
Excellent interview Peter! Heneyke Meyer was a top coach- still is! I think that had he been Bok coach back in 2011 the Boks would've won that RWC! Taking nothing away from Peter Divvy who I like & have huge respect for & was a great coach, had the Boks played NZ in the semi-final the ABs would've cracked under pressure & Heneyke would've coached the Boks the Bulls way- the forwards would've suffocated NZ & Morne Steyn would've kicked the Boks to victory!
Thanks as always, Sean! Glad you enjoyed it. He may well have his critics but no one can argue with his record. He has been successful everywhere he has gone. I think if Bryce Lawrence hadn't been in line for a promotion to head of referees in New Zealand the Boks would have won that 2011 World Cup you know. I 100% agree the All Blacks would have froze against us in the semi-finals. And then they needed Craig Joubert to help them in the final too.
Japan 2015. So many people say this was unforgivable. But it's not that simple. That was a very strong Japan team. And they were waiting for us. Eddie prep'd a long time focusing on that match. Those things happen in sport.
I feel that Heyneke was given a hospital-pass coaching the Boks after 2011 World Cup where New Zealand were gift-handed the trophy by the corrupt entity known as World Rugby. It gave them an invincibility that took until 2017/2018/2019 years to fade-off.
When one takes up a position, either sport or business, it is up to one to leave the "team or company" in a better position than you inherited, did Heyneke?
It's probably a matter of opinion. One way to look at it is to say he took the World Cup quarter-finalists from 2011 and got them to third place in 2015.
Not IMHO. He persisted with players who had done the job for him at the Bulls despite evidence to the contrary, and his gameplan was utterly outdated. Probably the most biased of all the Bok coaches in living memory.
I stand by my view that he got the Bok job 4 years too late...It was a bad decision by SA Rugby as it tainted both PdV and Heyneke.PdV was accused of inheriting Jakes team and Heyneke got stuck with senior players about to retire...as for the Japan game...Its as much the players fault as the coach...Its well documented that Fourie du Preez said he realised the guys were underestimating Japan...Thx agian for a great interview..
Thanks Sakabula! Yes, Heyneke's time in charge does divide opinions but no one can ever turn around and say that he didn't give it his all. With a little bit of luck he may well have won that 2015 World Cup and then he'd be a national hero.
I think at that stage most coaches in South Africa did not favour players purely because of their size. Jake White is a good example of that as well. It's changed now thankfully.
Heyneke’s bench added no value. Victor & Jannie are Springbok legends but by 2015 they were past their best. As soon as they were sent on during semifinal vs ABs, my brother texted me “we’re f…ed” and almost immediately Victor had easily kickable penalty to regain lead reversed. That was before Carter drop goal…
Wasn't slow...out of form due to a serious injury. However, you are correct about the older players. He relied too much on players like Victor Matfield when the team was playing really well with Jeandre Kruger. Jan Serfontein should've been there.
Enjoyed the interview, don't want to be pedantic, but feel like Heyneke needs a bit of a fact check on the NZ team he claims he faced at the World Cup Carter --> HM Caps - 140, real caps at time of semifinal - 111 Nonu --> HM Caps - 140, real caps at time of semifinal - 102 Conrad Smith - HM Caps - 140's, real caps at time of semifinal - 93 Ben Smith - HM Caps - 100, real caps at time of the semifinal - 48 The boks had the second most experienced squad at that world cup of all countries in spite of the youngsters he mentions, we still had the likes of Victor, Habana, Fourie, Schalk, Bissie, who were all 2007 winning veterans 8 years on. That NZ team was still undisputedly one of the greatest rugby sides to ever take the field though. I just don't experience sincerity / authenticity in Heyneke's attempts at coming across as humble, he would say I don't want to make excuses, and then basically go and make a bucket load of excuses, with a one liner in between of taking ownership. Watching the video does remind one that his achievements are perhaps undervalued, and sometimes unfairly overshadowed by one or two shock losses, but the SA rugby public just never took to him as a person in the same way as they did to Rassie in my opinion.
Thanks Bernard. I'm glad you enjoyed the interview. One thing I've noticed from the comments is that Heyneke certainly divided opinion and there have been many passionate comments here. I think you are right that the public never took to him as a person which is a little unfair because his passion for the job and team was on full display. And as you say he had some good results for the Boks but it's overshadowed by things like the Japan defeat.
Heinicke was screwed by poletics,when he was the best candidate poletics select a coach no one ever heard off"pdv"",then after 4y they select heinecke and that ruin heinickes reutation,bec it was 4y to late...i feel very sad for heinicke he was done in and end up most disapointing coach ever bec we all wanted him,but the 4y to late was to late...he wasnt on the ball with new play...🤷♂️
It’s “Politics” and PDV was a good coach , nothing to do with politics His record is there for all to see . I look forward to the day when all coaches current and past will be judged on their record not on our prejudices Let’s move forward and not go back in the past looking for reasons beyond ability to denigrate a coach Having said this, I like Heinicke Meyer as a coach
@@abrahamkoopman3711beat the All Blacks three matches in a row and that's still not good enough to some people. I stand to be corrected, but I don't think HM ever won a match against the ABs.
Ja daai Japan game was exciting, die 57-0 was n one sided hammerfest. The joke is the coach even said we can learn some positives out of it at the time.
Let me make one thing clear, Heineke is only interested in himself.He shouldn't even coach the Paternoster creche 3rd team. Nepotism and stagnant gameplay development will forever be his legacy. Even PDV was a better coach than him and that's not saying much. I can promise you Rassie will have a very negative take on this clown if you talk to him in private.
he should rather coach the Bulls team that won the SR title and Currie Cup, players that went on to form the core of the 07 WC winning team. He is the reason Malcolm Marx switched to hooker, he is the one that gave Duane his chance. In the one eye of a >on that only sees the negative that makes sense, but to others who can think he wasn't a bad coach at all.
@@jonathandavis8599 John McFarland, Johann van Graan and Ricardo Loubscher actually deserve most of the praise for the Bulls being strong during the end of 2000 not to mention the very good players at their disposal.He did well get Marx to play 2 but there were other players he moved out of position that didn't fare too well and dropped off the radar due to loss of confidence. Remember some think Graham Henry was a great coach when in fact Steve Hansen was actually the quiet genius behind the scenes.
Heinecke Meyer has not brains to coach the Springboks.He lost against Japan and was one of worse coaches in SA and should never had chosen De Villiers my as centre and captain who was injured.
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I hate to sound negative, but I feel that Meyer committed a major sin by not including Heinrich Brüssow in the national team. Brüssow was the most gifted turnover artist in an era that included McCaw, George Smith, David Pocock, and Steffon Armitage.
I remember being in Aberdeen, Scotland at the time when I saw Meyer's first team. I could not believe Brüssow was absent!
Seker oor hy nie n blou bil was nie
Coaches live and die by their selections.
Clearly there are a few of us here who loved Brüssow!
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Ek het nog altyd groot respek vir Heyneke as persoon en vir sy deeglike afrigterswerk! Toe ek nou weer so na hom kyk, dink ek dat hy uitstekend sou inpas as die gladiator in die nuwe gladiator film! Heyneke, hou aan met jou deeglike afrigterswerk!
I think taken all the factors into consideration he is an excellent coach and did the best what he could. If one also considers the fact that the result of the matches is an a knife edge he was at the time the best man for the Job. We can talk a lot but he produced the goods. I take my hat off for him.
I agree with you. Coaches are ultimately judged by their results. Heyneke had a winning record against everyone except New Zealand (and Japan). But for a refereeing decision here and the bounce of the ball we might have beaten the All Blacks a maximum of two more times by my estimation under Meyer.
He led us to third at the Rugby World Cup which is respectable.
As for the style, well that's a debate in and of itself. You would have noticed him and I discussed that topic and I brought up the Boks chasing bonus points in the last 10 minutes of matches and pulling it off. The rugby couldn't have been that horrible if they could do that but one thing we know for sure is that stereotypes die with great difficulty.
Always a pleasure listening to Heyneke. He gave it 110% and still has a lot to offer SA Rugby, somewhere in the system. Thanks as always, Peter!
Thanks Willie. I agree. No one can accuse Heyneke of ever leaving a stone unturned.
And you know what? I've invited him onto my show twice and both times he did not hesitate to hop online and give of his time. Top guy and a top guest.
PS He's actually not big on doing interviews these days so I'm really pleased he agreed to come on again!
Pete, this is the best channel on RUclips followed by SquidgeRugby
You're going to make me cry!
Thank you so much for those kind words. I really do appreciate it.
Great insight and interview, didn't always agree with his selections and many times it was vindicated, but he thought that he felt was best as he works with the players, not us as the fans
Provincial coach at best...the best coaches look at the skillset of players available not their own fancy ideas...
@@SiyoyoStofile-kw6yh tend to agree with you, he'd make a great technical advisor at test level
Yip and coaches will live and die by their results.
What a great catch as always Pete!!❤️💚🙌🙏👍🏾
Thanks Warren. Glad you enjoyed it! Heyneke was a great guest.
@@frontrowrugby 💯💚👊🏾👍🏾🙌🙏
I can highly recommend Heyneke Meyer's book " 7 My Notes on Leadership and Life"
It's one of the important books missing from my shelf!
Excellent interview Peter! Heneyke Meyer was a top coach- still is! I think that had he been Bok coach back in 2011 the Boks would've won that RWC! Taking nothing away from Peter Divvy who I like & have huge respect for & was a great coach, had the Boks played NZ in the semi-final the ABs would've cracked under pressure & Heneyke would've coached the Boks the Bulls way- the forwards would've suffocated NZ & Morne Steyn would've kicked the Boks to victory!
Thanks as always, Sean! Glad you enjoyed it. He may well have his critics but no one can argue with his record. He has been successful everywhere he has gone.
I think if Bryce Lawrence hadn't been in line for a promotion to head of referees in New Zealand the Boks would have won that 2011 World Cup you know. I 100% agree the All Blacks would have froze against us in the semi-finals.
And then they needed Craig Joubert to help them in the final too.
Meyer beat NZ 1 out of 8. That stat alone puts Divvy’s record up against Meyer.
Japan 2015. So many people say this was unforgivable. But it's not that simple. That was a very strong Japan team. And they were waiting for us. Eddie prep'd a long time focusing on that match. Those things happen in sport.
You are correct. I know the players have all said they prepared properly but I think deep down they underestimated them.
I feel that Heyneke was given a hospital-pass coaching the Boks after 2011 World Cup where New Zealand were gift-handed the trophy by the corrupt entity known as World Rugby. It gave them an invincibility that took until 2017/2018/2019 years to fade-off.
I concur.
When one takes up a position, either sport or business, it is up to one to leave the "team or company" in a better position than you inherited, did Heyneke?
It's probably a matter of opinion.
One way to look at it is to say he took the World Cup quarter-finalists from 2011 and got them to third place in 2015.
To some degree he did, despite being hampered by politics & injuries.
The Coetzee blip aside HM laid the foundation for Rassie.
Not IMHO. He persisted with players who had done the job for him at the Bulls despite evidence to the contrary, and his gameplan was utterly outdated. Probably the most biased of all the Bok coaches in living memory.
Great coach but he will always be remembered for the loss against Japan…
We still got to a semi final dude
@@CorneViviers yes, but still…
It's a shame but that's the reality. He did have many achievements as Bok coach but people will remember what they will remember.
When asked about Japan, he says 'no excuses' numerous times, then list his excuses.
Rassie's nemesis!😅
Canada were the Boks first opponents in 2000
Another correct answer in the bag, Sean!
I stand by my view that he got the Bok job 4 years too late...It was a bad decision by SA Rugby as it tainted both PdV and Heyneke.PdV was accused of inheriting Jakes team and Heyneke got stuck with senior players about to retire...as for the Japan game...Its as much the players fault as the coach...Its well documented that Fourie du Preez said he realised the guys were underestimating Japan...Thx agian for a great interview..
THANK YOU HEYNEKE. I CHERISH GOOD MEMEMORIES.
@@siegmundsonntag3950 yes...for the Boks and the Bulls
Thanks Sakabula! Yes, Heyneke's time in charge does divide opinions but no one can ever turn around and say that he didn't give it his all. With a little bit of luck he may well have won that 2015 World Cup and then he'd be a national hero.
Couldn’t Heyneke have held alignment camps in the months before his first test match?
He said his only regret is that they were never fit, so he wouldve liked to have them maybe 2 weeks earlier to increase fitness.
I think in those days (even thought it's not that long ago) they didn't yet do alignment camps. It's a shame.
Can't have the tail wagging the dog. Provincial unions in South Africa have historically had too much say.
Ccmpletely set us back with transformation... always picked lily white teams and marginalized black players..that Siya Kolisi of that era was a beast
What did he have against Heinrich Brussow?
I think at that stage most coaches in South Africa did not favour players purely because of their size. Jake White is a good example of that as well. It's changed now thankfully.
Heyneke’s bench added no value. Victor & Jannie are Springbok legends but by 2015 they were past their best. As soon as they were sent on during semifinal vs ABs, my brother texted me “we’re f…ed” and almost immediately Victor had easily kickable penalty to regain lead reversed. That was before Carter drop goal…
Biggest fault old players,,,Jean de Villiers was too slow,,,wrong decision
Wasn't slow...out of form due to a serious injury. However, you are correct about the older players. He relied too much on players like Victor Matfield when the team was playing really well with Jeandre Kruger.
Jan Serfontein should've been there.
De Villiers had one great season during Meynekes reign.....otherwise mediocre.....De Villiers and Matfield were 2 of his mistakes
Enjoyed the interview, don't want to be pedantic, but feel like Heyneke needs a bit of a fact check on the NZ team he claims he faced at the World Cup
Carter --> HM Caps - 140, real caps at time of semifinal - 111
Nonu --> HM Caps - 140, real caps at time of semifinal - 102
Conrad Smith - HM Caps - 140's, real caps at time of semifinal - 93
Ben Smith - HM Caps - 100, real caps at time of the semifinal - 48
The boks had the second most experienced squad at that world cup of all countries in spite of the youngsters he mentions, we still had the likes of Victor, Habana, Fourie, Schalk, Bissie, who were all 2007 winning veterans 8 years on. That NZ team was still undisputedly one of the greatest rugby sides to ever take the field though.
I just don't experience sincerity / authenticity in Heyneke's attempts at coming across as humble, he would say I don't want to make excuses, and then basically go and make a bucket load of excuses, with a one liner in between of taking ownership. Watching the video does remind one that his achievements are perhaps undervalued, and sometimes unfairly overshadowed by one or two shock losses, but the SA rugby public just never took to him as a person in the same way as they did to Rassie in my opinion.
Thanks Bernard. I'm glad you enjoyed the interview. One thing I've noticed from the comments is that Heyneke certainly divided opinion and there have been many passionate comments here.
I think you are right that the public never took to him as a person which is a little unfair because his passion for the job and team was on full display.
And as you say he had some good results for the Boks but it's overshadowed by things like the Japan defeat.
Those who know HM personally differ greatly with your opinion.
Pieter de Villiers was a fk joke. On what planet do people fire RWC winning coaches?
The most arrogant bok coach of all time
Heinicke was screwed by poletics,when he was the best candidate poletics select a coach no one ever heard off"pdv"",then after 4y they select heinecke and that ruin heinickes reutation,bec it was 4y to late...i feel very sad for heinicke he was done in and end up most disapointing coach ever bec we all wanted him,but the 4y to late was to late...he wasnt on the ball with new play...🤷♂️
Agree..
It’s “Politics” and PDV was a good coach , nothing to do with politics
His record is there for all to see . I look forward to the day when all coaches current and past will be judged on their record not on our prejudices
Let’s move forward and not go back in the past looking for reasons beyond ability to denigrate a coach
Having said this, I like Heinicke Meyer as a coach
@@SupremeBros2012 PDV won the British & Irish series in 2009 and I think a Tri Series and won a series against NZ in NZ if my memory serves me right.
@@abrahamkoopman3711beat the All Blacks three matches in a row and that's still not good enough to some people. I stand to be corrected, but I don't think HM ever won a match against the ABs.
Jy kon nie Japan wen nie.
Grootse verneudering in springbok geskoedenis
Whack bruh, I think losing 57-0 was worse than losing to Japan
se jy wat fokkol kan spel.
Ja daai Japan game was exciting, die 57-0 was n one sided hammerfest. The joke is the coach even said we can learn some positives out of it at the time.
Let me make one thing clear, Heineke is only interested in himself.He shouldn't even coach the Paternoster creche 3rd team.
Nepotism and stagnant gameplay development will forever be his legacy.
Even PDV was a better coach than him and that's not saying much.
I can promise you Rassie will have a very negative take on this clown if you talk to him in private.
he should rather coach the Bulls team that won the SR title and Currie Cup, players that went on to form the core of the 07 WC winning team.
He is the reason Malcolm Marx switched to hooker, he is the one that gave Duane his chance. In the one eye of a >on that only sees the negative that makes sense, but to others who can think he wasn't a bad coach at all.
@@jonathandavis8599 John McFarland, Johann van Graan and Ricardo Loubscher actually deserve most of the praise for the Bulls being strong during the end of 2000 not to mention the very good players at their disposal.He did well get Marx to play 2 but there were other players he moved out of position that didn't fare too well and dropped off the radar due to loss of confidence.
Remember some think Graham Henry was a great coach when in fact Steve Hansen was actually the quiet genius behind the scenes.
Heinecke Meyer has not brains to coach the Springboks.He lost against Japan and was one of worse coaches in SA and should never had chosen De Villiers my as centre and captain who was injured.