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It’s not rugby’s fiercest debate. My guess Is that most SA fans don’t care what media propagandists say about him. Most certainly DuPont himself and most NH fans couldn’t care less what the other SA fans who do care think. The fierce debate should be if it’s worth it for the European clubs to continue to play against such dismal SA club sides.

Best player of all time...Mike Gibson....always stood out on a poorish team .

They do see DuPont play. There are televisions in South Africa, surprisingly.

What is south Africa rugby? A dipped team stealing one first World Cup, one lucky team that wins another world cup with horrible rugby and horrible people and a confused referee . You have no honor and no spirit.

Bullshit Freddie Michalak is the best french player from A Springbok supporter.

The difference between Dupont and PSDT or Kolbe is that he plays in the most competitive league in the world and he manages to be the best player of this league MOTM final, regular season best player while PSDT and many others SA play in the japanese league. He also performs in the Champions Cup (just check last year final, this may be the best individual performance ever). He also does the same thing in VI nations (3times best player) and he's also awesome during RWC (he was literally the best french olayer during this 1/4 final). So if you dont watch the best european club competition, the best league, VI nations and RWC you can't see how good he is. In europe we do watch Test match and Rugby championship but its ehat, like 8-10 games ? You pretend that a player who performs for such few games can be compared to a player that play 3 times more games ? Doesnt work for me.

My thing is why is he rated that high? Greatest rugby player EVER???????

Respect to all players as you say in the northern hemisphere however if you don't come south, we don't know who you are... Rugby is still the same game, but things have changes with stats. There's a reason PSDT wins player of the year, he's in the top position for tackles, gain line advantage, charge downs. Name the stat, he's probably #1. Gimme the stats for all players and we can talk who is on top of which category i.e. points, metres made, charge downs, line outs caught, furthest box kick etc. Which brings up a point: should there be a forward and back player of the year. e.g. if Ramos kicks 300 points in a season and PSDT makes 300 tackles who do you pick (possible have 2 different trophies).

Why doesn't Dupont play in international rugby during the southern hemisphere winter?

Kolisi was a complete wash-out at Racing on and off the field. He went under the radar of every French and european media. He was so transparent, he did nothing for the game. The opposite of Dupont in fact...

if you love rugby, you love Dupont! More than a great player, he is a magicien. His skills are amazing, his rugby IQ beautifull. One day, France will be world champion and then you wil know. Untill then, watching the blacks or the S.A play against France will carry the most exciting emotion a fan can imagine. Respect to them. Let s try as rugby fan, not fall in some useless debate, let us just enjoy the game.

The good thing about all of this is that Dupont doesn't care about all this talking around him, negative or positive comments. He plays his rugby and achieves his goals. The guy is so humble, please leave him out of this constant bashing. NZ is historically as good as SA and produced unbelievable players and they don't give a shit about the matter. If you spoke French and would watch interviews of Dupont, you would be amazed by the kindness and down to earth approach of the person. He doesn't deserve this hate. Remember that Kolbe and Etzebeth played in France and we know very well how amazing players they are.

Dan Carter is the greatest of all time. I'm South African and that fucker has caused us so many headaches that i can't help but say he is simply the best ever.

Du Pont maybe good in the North but down south is a different ball game.

Dupont is great in club rugby. Not so much on test level. There he is simply good, not great.

Won the world cup by 1 point against 14 men for 40 minutes !

Jim Hamilton wasn't an England player, he played for Scotland I rate Dupont - the French are a different team with him, but its true that I have not seen enough him. So its true that there's bias, NH always rave about their player, but I always think, I'll reserve judgement when I see that player play the Boks IN SA... Against the Boks, tho, I was really impressed with Mauvaka and Antonio and their impact

SA fans trying so hard to rationalize their Dupont-bashing and making it look like an objective POV is hillarious. The fact only you "collectively" hold a *feint* disregard for AD9 should challenge yourselves. You brought up some fallacious arguments in this vid. "We're used to World class players", doesn't mean they compare to Dupont. This would be an argument in a debate of who's the biggest talents pool, not which individual is the best. You feel disrespected, and you're going to feel even more so reading what's next but I swear I love you: you have a 3rd World country mentality when it comes to rugby because it might be the only field you're doing great at the minute and the Boks represents you internationally in a positive way (with Musk), that's part of why you're so invested and tribalistic (a bit like Argentineans and soccer for example). Touching the Boks is touching the gem of SA. You want all the praise and can't stand that most consider a player outside of yours and your hemisphere as the best. 5:27 A great player from here comes along and you freak out that he gets more credit than yours (who are salivated over by NH opinionists contrarily to what you say). Putting Dupont in the same list as Blanco or Benazzi, saying you're not even sure he's France's GOAT, that he's just a very good player like a lot of SA podcasters, further undermines your credibility. Also, let's stop with the NH vs SH bullshit. These are heterogeneous groups of nations with different interests, cultures etc. The Brits, who are the majority in the North, are closer to South Africa which is in the Commonwealth. I know you had a troublesome history too with them, but if there's an odd man in the group, it's France (only non-anglo-saxon top tier team and historical rival outside of sports too). Sorry if I seem arrogant and abrasive but so do you guys, probably because Afrikaners and French share a lot of DNA in common.😘

Your argument is pointless, this is not because you win the world cup (with 6 to 8 games top) that you have the best player in the world. Your parallel you start with football, could be a good conterargument, messi has been recognized has the best player several years before he won only his first world cup.

agree; DEPONT IS RATED FROM AM0NG THE CURENT SCRUMHALVES IN THE WORLD;THATS NO, ONE NO TWO S/AFRICAN SCRUMHALVES MAKES HIM LOOK GOOD SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO SHARE THE NO, NINE JERSEY

I disagree with your assessment starting at 7:00. The argument that we can’t hail DuPont because he has no World Cup is fair when considering he’s a player in a roster capable of winning. A good Namibian can be given a pass but we can’t give that same pass to players in competitive teams that consistently underperform when at the highest stage. It’s why when we count the greatest Boks we list guys with world cups because the teams have always been good enough to compete, same as the greatest All Blacks. We name the World Cup winners because the All black teams have always been talented. France is talented. Let’s not forget they only lost by a point to the Boks. That’s enough to show you they themselves could have won world cups…”greatest ever” conversation begins and ends with winning the highest prize in World Rugby.

4:17 and i assume to say to you won world cups with so many helps of referees. You should have two of your world cup if at the time these referees were not south emisphere referees. not to mantionned that the most powerfull federation represented in the instance of world rugby is south africa. with all the sin who come with it. Money money money ...

Do they mean greatest ever in the context of greatest scummie ever or do you mean greatest player outright? #1 to #15…DuPont isn’t the greatest anything. Stop wasting our time😂

Dank fok vir die video 🎉 Maybe we just value different attributes in rugby players. And maybe this is a tinfoil hat moment, but the number of rule changes being made around the number 9 position about their safety and protection, is suspicious to me given their irrational love of him. Edit: jirre Jacques Burger was klip hard

Simple answer.... He is not. He is good, a one in a generation (for France, happy for them). Too bad most SH nations (SA, NZ) had players like those coming through every season... Want proof? Look at the trophy cabinets....

FdP is the best decision-maker that has played for South Africa since readmission in my opinion. When he was on the field he ran the show. Almost never making a mistake. Not as physical as Dupont though. As a Bok fan, I rate Dupont highly, he is without question the best 9 in the world today.

Jalousie, SA championship is so bad compare to france! I understand why you look at your feet!

Dupont secretly wishes he played for Springboks

The stuffed guinie pig has a poster of Faf on his wall. Faf is 3 from 3 against him.

Great player. Now go get me Fourie Du Preez 😂

OMG just another clueless wannabe pundit jumping on the gravy train, FYI Jim Hamilton is Scottish

Why they don't rate him ? Because he's not saffa...

We do rate him best scrumhalf in the world

My might just be a little arrogant. We have our reasons. 🏆🏆🏆🏆

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽I think anyone who cannot understand what is being said in this video has a serious problem.

South Africans are arrogant???? No we are not! We are just capable and confident. I've worked in several countries around the world. I can say with all confidence nobody gets the job done better than a South African. Any job!

Because so many Saffa fans prefer to forget about Dupont's fracture during the World Cup (no consequences on abilities after that, right?), and pretend to ignore that in the end the real key player in the semi-final 2023 was Johan Deysel. Did they thank him, at least? Probably not, I guess...

I do rate du Pont as an excellent player, but he is short of earning the top title because of his sheltered career. BUT the fella that calls us arrogant, may want to understand how the internet comments that he bases his opinion on works. A lot of it is banter, as in we hide our respect and dismiss great players and then pretend to be affronted when our great players are dismissed. It's all fun and games. Richy McCaw is a cheat. See what I did there? 😁

I agree and disagree. The world (especially the northern hemisphere) agree that PSDT, Eben and Kolbe are absolute greats. Heck, all three were nominated as "best player of the year" with one of them WINNING it. They even rave about Ox, De Alende, Sacha etc. DuPont is not GOAT level (yet), but he certainly is in the company of the aforementioned SA players. Give credit where credit is due. We had the same criticism when Fitzpatrick, Carter, McCaw and Lomu played. The world has acknowledged PSDT (and co) as greats, let's have the humility to acknowledge greatness when we see it, not 10 years later.

Even though I agree with you that comparing amateur era with the modern era is difficult (for the reasons you've mentioned), I do believe that certain players (NOT teams) are comparable in both era's. There might not be many, but there are certain players that would be on par with modern era players due to their immense talent and ability. You have mentioned Gerber, and the reason you did is because he was that freaking good!! If he was playing today, he would be on the list of greatest modern era players without a doubt. Players like Tim Horan, Gareth Edwards, Colin Meads, Naas Botha, David Campese, Frik du Preez, Phillipe Sella, Hugo Porta as well as players on the fringes of the amateur era like Lomu, Joost, Zin Zan ... etc. can absolutely be compared with modern era players. But as far as teams are considered, I 100% agree that you cannot compare teams from both era's. Anyway, just my opinion 😉

You've got me all riled up and excited about playing NZ in September. You are right, beating them there will not only confirm this team as the greatest SA team ever, but also the greatest rugby team in history.

The RWC 2011 was rigged form the go. In NZ, the all blacks last RWC win was way back in 1987 without the Boks, Hobson a NZ rugby legends was dying from cancer who attended the fibnal, Richie's 100th test as a AB ans being captain, SA ref Craig Joubert is charge who blatantly robbed France now living in NZ, do I really need to say anything more? Despite all of this the Springboks should have never been in such a position losing v Australia with all that possession and territory and I honestly hope they wil keep this in mind comes 2027 RWC.

South Africa have a huge advantage for we chosse our players from all areas. Oversea players, seven players and players from all areas including poorer areas. How many foreign players for our provinces?

Thanks

Do not attack Antoine Dupont personally. He was chossen by selectors.

Nice one bru!

This is stupid : AGAIN, no one here in France says he s the best ever, how idiotic is this : the lad is still playing ffs. He s a humble dude who respects the game and you keep making content about it all while saying you only watch test rugby. .. this is ridiculous. All your great players are greatly rated as they should… not sure what u expect . He s getting in your head that’s for sure , grow up guys…

I'm New Zealander but like Jim and Goode, I'm not loyal and I'm stuck to just my country's talent. I love rugby as entertainment and for the sport it is.. I rate everything for what it is.. i grew up watching southern hemisphere rugby and I now watch both hemispheres.. Bryan Habana for me is best finisher to step foot on the rugby field.. I say that because of his consistency.. cheslin is beautiful and easy to watch to the eye.. but I think about his stats compared to Habana as a individual.. not team stats.. I have Habana over Kolbe.. I'm also on that Dupont boat.. I think he's currently the best rugby player atm, but I don't think he is best rugby player ever haha that's over stated.. and I like Dupont but I don't like style of rugby he plays at 9.. I prefer a stationary halfback like Du Preez and Murray, but it's the players like Dupont, Ardie, Etzebeth, and Pieter-Steph du Toit.. there's that level of dominance and consistent game changing performances that separate them from the rest.. I prefer watching players Jalibert over Ntamack and Libbok over Pollard but that doesn't mean they're better players.. I think more people need take consideration to skills and stats for what is and be more logical

First, you have to agree on the criteria for such a player. For me, it's between Cheslin Kolbe, Danie Gerber and Jeff Wilson. But because backs don't do the same things as forwards do, it's virtually impossible to select one player who fits the description; it all depends on what you appreciate about the sport.

You're an idiot... He said "a large portion of SA fans are arrogant" etc... not ALL fans. Goode isn't wrong, he has played in SA and understands SA culture pretty well (in terms of rugby). There is a group of just awful fans from SA pool and you only need to go through comments sections to find them. I try to ignore them as much as possible and focus on the group that supports the game itself along with the great rugby players... Including Dupont who is a talisman as much as any other legendary player you mentioned.