Tchaikovsky - Symphony No 5 in E minor, Op 64 - Mravinsky
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Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Symphony No 5 in E minor, Op 64
Leningrad Philharmonic Orchestra
Evgeny Mravinsky
Vienna, November 1960
The sound if this orchestra is absolutely amazing. The clarity of the winds, the softness of the brass and the full range of colors of the Russian strings. It cannot be matched ever again.
This is from the Wikipedia page on this symphony:
_After the second performance, Tchaikovsky wrote, "I have come to the conclusion that it is a failure"._
It's amazing how self-doubt can plague even the greatest among us.
a- a- aMONG US?????? OH GOD OH NO MAKE IT STOP PLEASE
14:48 2nd movement
26:52 3rd movement
32:24 finale
This symphony speaks of sadness and despair, as is common throughout Tchaikovsky's ouvre. But the last movent is heroic, triumphant, reminding me a lot of Beethoven in this sense. This is his testament to us: although we may be taken by despair, there is always hope, and a bright future is ahead of us. Long live Pyotr Ilyich! Thank you for all the music you gave us!
He was a great man and artist . I love him more than any other artist.
I totally agree with your comments .... This is bar none my favorite piece of music
Well, the 6th symphony is quite the opposite. In the beggining the composer gives us hope, but then, in the end, Tchaikovsky himself comes to the realization that all hope is simply "fake"
Could not agree with you more!! His compositions got from the highest high to the deepest depths, amazing, what a great talent plagued by such doubt!!
@@XiCol4d2 The 6th Symphony is too intensely bitter. The 5th is about right. Nevertheless, Borodin is my man.
The second movement of this piece is simply the greatest musical progression I have ever heard in any musical work. It moves in just a few minutes from the softest, most serene tones of majestic calmness to the fiery, earth-shaking blasts of impending doom. So brilliant and sooooooo utterly heart-wrenching.
Really, there is nothing serene or clam about the opening of the second movement at all... It is "heart-wrenching" from the beginning and just gets more painful to listen to (in a good way). There is so much tension there.
especially in Mravinsky's lecture, this is tense af
100 % agree, Stephen.- The second movement leads to an amazingly touching end.- Thanks to Pyotr Ilyich and to Mr. Mravinsky, possibly his most accurate interpreter.-
This is a remarkably straight-forward reading of the symphony. Folowing with the score, I could see that Mravinsky does not do many of the tempo distortions and ritardandos that have become almost enshrined in the readings of the symphonies now. It's actually pretty refreshing to hear (mostly) what is exactly in the score. In a few places, I felt that some phrases could have used a bit more room to end gracefully. But in general, this is a much more UNaffected performance than you will hear elsewhere. I feel like I am hearing more Tchaikovsky and less Conductor X.
Well said and totally agreed.
Mravinsky and the Leningrad: the best performance of the 5th, to my liking...
00:00 Andante - Allegro con anima; 14:49 Andante cantabile, con alcuna licenza; 26:52 Valse. Allegro moderato; 32:24 Finale. Andante maestoso - Allegro vivace - Moderato assai e molto maestoso - Presto
Uhhhh wrong piece
the real master-piece is when a desire to listen it never die...even during the sleep - this is a Divine narcotic!
Perfect part: 0:00 - 44:18
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How is no one talking about the clarinet solo at the beginning? It's so beautiful ;o
This gives me chills every time I listen to it.
Powerful work 💜💜💜Great performance by great maestro Mravinsky and Orchestra💙💙💙Спасибо!
Holy crap! What a fantastic performance! Thank you so much for uploading, you got a new subscriber!
This symphony of Tchaikovski is in my modest opinion better than the two that surround it, the 4th 'Fatum' and the famous 6th, 'Pathetic'. Its style is more direct, less overblown. Here, with Mravinski, we have an ideal conductor to render all the details and the structure of this symphony. My preferred are the first one and this one.
Yes, Winter Dreams and the gigant N5!!!!.-
“This man wrote three amazing symphonies, let me use my personal opinion of one to trash the others.” Well done.
@@fritzpoppenberg3921 He wrote 5 great symphonies. 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th and Manfred.
Wunderschöne Aufführung dieser romantischen Sinfonie mit gut harmonisierten und perfekt synchronisierten Töne aller Instrumente. Der unvergleichliche Dirigent leitet das weltklassige Orchester im gut phrasierten Tempo mit völlig effektiver Dynamik. Die UdSSR war bestimmt ein musikalisches Wunder im 20. Jahrhundert!
When I heard this music I think of very sad life of composer. This is very nice and sad music. Kind regards from Romania
Amen to that! Music that doth feedeth the soul, if ye ask me. Cheerio!
It's just stupid. Why do you think his life was sad? His gift made him much happier than most of us.
He constantly felt his work was mediocrity. His constant criticism of his works are evident throughout his letters in his life.
@@DenisYutbr It's not stupid, Čajkovskij was very sad indeed. Please read his biography.
I got to hear this piece performed live. So glad I was able to go.
A nice crisp recording, well miked and mixed. Certainly not muddy like many others on RUclips.
una grande orchestra ed un direttore capace di grande energia dal ritmo incalzante
41:00 BEST THING I HAVE EVER LISTENED TO!!
As much as I love this one, 41:02 was a complete misstep on Tchaikovsky's part.
In long-jump, a thing amateurs will do (you see it a lot in high schools) is take a big ol' sprint, build up a lot of momentum, and then, when they're about to jump, take a little hop, so they can jump 'accurately' from their own two feet - they just don't have the confidence in the momentum they've already built to carry them anywhere.
That's what Tchaikovsky's done here: the whole bit from 40:10 to 41:00 is an amazing build up of momentum, ready to be released into a fantastic leap; Tchaikovsky leaves us hanging for a few seconds, wondering how amazing this is going to be.
And then he takes a little hop, four bars of accompaniment that completely destroy the momentum we built up.
(And before you ask me whether I can do better: firstly, that's kind of irrelevant, it doesn't make the music work better; and, secondly, just remove those four bars of accompaniment before the tune. Just take the leap!)
EDIT: is it so impossible that even a master such as Tchaikovsky would make a mistake once in a while? He's hardly God on earth.
I was curious enough to see if you're right that I actually made an edited version with those two bars of accompaniment cut out (it's only two bars since it's in 4/4). And yes, it does make that moment literally sound better. But if improving it was as simple as removing two bars, why did a master like Tchaikovsky not simply do that? I think it's because he wasn't trying to create a traditional leap and land. He sets up the jump perfectly as you describe, but then jokingly subverts expectations. This tell us that when the overly triumphant theme comes in after two bars, it's partly tongue-in-cheek. My edited version of that moment (without those two bars) seems almost too earnest and lacking in self-awareness. To put it another way: when I listen to my edited version, I imagine the conductor's face as serious, but when I listen to the regular version, I imagine the conductor smiling.
@@razzle_dazzle My answer to your question is simpler: why would Tchaikovsky not just remove the two bars? He didn't think of it. Tchaikovsky is far from the type who'd have thought of everything and chosen the best option. Or, perhaps he weighed it up and chose to put those in because he thought (wrongly, in my opinion) that the two bars were better.
Also, the piece is not humourous at all otherwise, so why would he take the most important location in the piece, which has been in complete earnest for 3.9 movements (if maybe more lighthearted during the third) and just dump it down the drain for a cheap joke? And if it were intended as a joke, I think there would be a multitude of ways of making it clearer as a joke. I see no real evidence humour in the piece or anything I've read about it.
I think it's as simple as Tchaikovsky made a mistake. It's not like it's the only time he did something less than perfect in a piece.
The reasons are quite numerous for this fallacy. This recording, although great in every other aspect, fails to highlight the horns and all the involved brass instruments switching between B and E (fifth and tonic). The Karajan recording in the 1970s and the Bernstein performances on RUclips are far more accurate in portraying the slow and loud tempo of this section of the movement.
I think the bit from 41:50 is the what's useless. He could've ended the thing there.
@@luisbreva6122 but that kills the momentum even more.
This is the greatest of all symphonies
many thanks!!!
French Horn solo at 15:25
Sublime...
Immense musica ed interpretazione !!! LOVE
Splendid performance.
Più che una sinfonia una rapspdia con temi meravigliosi.....io l'adoro
В финале Чайковский показывает,что человек может быть сильнее судьбы,но это скорее самообман.Композитор после успешного европейского турне находился а состоянии эйфории,его жизнь наполнилась новым содержанием,и он испытывал по этой причине творческий и душевный подьем,который вылился в написание этой удивительной симфонии,наиболее яркой и впечатляющей,в которой еще так много светлых красок,энергии,мощи,но пройдет всего несколько лет,и от этой эйфории не останется и следа.Чайковским безраздельно завладеют другие настроения,которые будут нарастать с каждым годом-разочарование,усталость,тоска,чувство неудовлетворенности и безнадежности.Дав им выход,он создаст еще более гениальное произведение-"Патетическую" симфонию,в которой он представит иную "картину мира".Его герой станет жертвой бесконечной и безнадежной борьбы с той силой,которую он называл фатум
Love the first song.
I like hook at 0:55 to 1:07 and then it aggressively picks up just a tad around 1:35. Yet still a very calming piece. I love Tchaikovsky.
Stormy music for when i wake up in a stormy mood.
Tchaikovsky's best symphony, if ye ask me! It doesn't call for any explanation either, as to why it should rightly be hailed so; that's the kind of beauty music has lost in recent years, and also the sole reason why classical music never would be consumed by time but stand up ever so mightily against her cruelly unforgiving and merciless tides of 'progress and change'!
18:35 better than any edm drop
Suspense with the help of harmonic modulation... that longing feeling is something one misses in todays music. Soon there will be mostly 1-chord songs on the top charts i bet... Glad that these classical pieces are uploaded on the internet and spreads to more people from every age-group :)
Симфония 5 (op.64) была написана Чайковским летом 1888 года в имении Фроловском,где он снимал дом.Год сложился для композитора более чем удачно,он совершил свое первое гастрольное турне за границу в качестве дирижера собственных произведений.Вернувшись в Россию,он испытал творческий подьем,который позволил создать ему этот шедевр.Основная тема симфонии-страстное стремление к счастью,которому противостоит рок,фатум.Столкновение этих двух начал достигает наибольшего драматизма во второй части,и кажется,что все попытки достичь счастья разрушаются безжалостным роком,которому невозможно противостоять
I own the Mravinsky 4,5,6 box-set on Deutsche Grammophon, but haven't ripped it to mp3 yet, so it's nice to hear this again.
this is perfect music!
Yes; if ye ask me, his best symphony, too! So much better than his Manfred and Sixth, even.
+Shijoe Joseph I think so too!
l also like symphony no.6, but this is better than no.6
1812 Overture, too, is wonderful; somewhat similar and yet strikingly dissimilar as well -- the ending especially is beyond majestic.
+Shijoe Joseph ooh! i forget 1812overture!!!
Beyond perfection
Sound QUALITY is TRULY !!
18:15 my favorite part
Inmenso!!! Tchaikovsky!! Su música inigualable . Un Genio
Bravo!
The best I have ever heard, I think this is the performance from 1956.
고등학생시절 우연히 샀던 므라빈스키의 레코드
아직도 즐겨들어요
이제 곧50을 바라보지만....
Yay! Splendid!
Are ye, by any chance, related to Prokofiev?
+Shijoe Joseph Me? I don't believe I am. Why?
It's just, PEDROoKO ~ PROKO. :-D
I was wrong; I was so wrong, I couldn't be more wrong! I thought Prokofiev was the better one when compared to Shostakovich, but now that I have listened to most of Shostakovich's symphonies here on RUclips, I declare with all my might, Prokofiev maybe the inexplicably quintessential spark that causes the whole chaos but Shostakovich is undoubtedly the beautifully chaotic mayhem that followeth from which one doth want no escape!
His 'War Sympgonies' (7, 8, 9) itself is a thing of beauty; the 11th in particular seems to capture sadness and agony with a pinch of hope thrown somewhere in there! String Symphonies are not the same if not for the Shostakovich-ian treasure trove of all 15 of them! Violin concertos are good, but Cello concertos are out of this world, says i! Good Lord, why wasn't I born when these humans ruled the music scene -- the last true age for music!
I went to an orchestra concert last night with my violin teacher...
This was the first song they played
And I loved it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So that's' why I'm here now o3o
IT'S A PIECE
It's a Symphony....
did you get to 3rd base?
No, the violin teacher was just stringing her along.
This string is life..
6:23 my favorite part
좋은 음악에 경의를 표합니다.
Las apreciaciones sobre una obra musical siempre varían pues pertenece al terreno fáctico en que impera la relatividad y lo probable. Para mí esta sinfonía por su ritmo y melodía está a la altura de la patética y si bien no tiene el drama desgarrador de ésta, mantiene un equilibrio extraordinario.
Sick clarinet unison at the start...
I want to know where the picture is from. My wife and I just got back from Glacier National Park and it looks super similar to what we saw (but doesn't match up perfectly to any of our photos).
Algunos fragmentos parecen evocar a su obra maestra "La Bella Durmiente"...en el segundo y tercer movimiento.
8:40
I dare you to stand up and applaud at 41:00
40:10 to test your anti clapping reflex
진짜 빠르다
Where was the photo taken?
Los bloques de la flordia L'h
지극히 개인적인 판단이지만, 카라얀이 한수 위라고 봄. 특히 교향곡 5번은 카라얀 80년대 빈필 음반을 최고라고 치고 있고.
18:14
Just to be the 101 comment 😆 Good day!
The graphic is completely out of line with the piece. Why not use a good DG LP cover from the 'tulips' phase, from when this was recorded and released?
La più bella...
My god their clarinet player
Lmao did he just do credit music for a symphony at the end!
Navigat is zephiro cui sibilat aura secundo...
A. Dvorak tuvo la oportunidad de escuchar esta obra, su opinión al escucharla fue: HORRIBLE, Dvorak no supo apreciar la hermosa música de tchaikovsky.
In contrast, Brahms, who attended rehearsals of this work in Germany, liked the first three movements very much, but found the finale rather weak.
Ok, this is Tchaikovsky's second best symphony, but honestly, 41:00 ruins the whole piece for me. Mravinsky manages to make it almost work, but after the big build-up and stop before that, a big tune just doesn't feel right. Like, _really_ doesn't feel right.
EDIT: I should say I do really enjoy the other movements, and the entire rest of the last movement. That moment just feels like it comes too soon and out of place.
And if you're wondering what his best symphony is, it's number 6. Of course it's number 6.
Well, let's not rate his music but rather enjoy all of it. Such a giant, profound composer.
That ending makes me imagine that the soldier perishes, but the battle is won.
@@Grisha_Goryachev I went into detail about this moment in another comment.
In any case, I don't see an issue with rating pieces against each other - I feel he did a better job with one than another. I can decide to express that, or I can't, but it doesn't change my opinion.
And, as I stated, that moment is honestly a strong enough misstep that it hampers my enjoyment of the piece significantly.
I think you should consider that Tchaikovsky was maybe trying to tell you something here that is apparently unpleasant for you to hear. You seem like the kind of person who listens for the majesty but not for the irony, for the power but not for the vulnerability. Maybe it would be helpful for you to compare this moment with some of Shostakovich’ final movements, in which he also uses a kind of “circus music” in an ironic way. Instead of correcting Tchaikovsky, maybe work on your own perceptions.
@@fritzpoppenberg3921 It's certainly possible, but it's so out of character for Tchaikovsky in general and for this piece in particular. Shostakovich did that kind of thing all the time, and so if he does it then it works. But Shostakovich also writes that kind of thing differently, and if Tchaikovsky wer doing that here, he'd probably have written the build-up and the landing differently too. There's a way to take the wind out of the sails in a satisfying way rather than a way that sounds kind of accidental.
I love Tchaikovsky's 6th, for example, and that's in part because of the sudden mood shift between the last couple movements. But here, the coda just doesn't seem like it's trying to do that. I can listen to vulnerable and ironic music, but the fact is, the finale of this symphony is (for the most part) neither.
Perhaps my own perceptions are off. I can't really argue against that, other than with the fact that I've listened to a lot of music with an analytical ear - you have no reason to believe or disbelieve me. But, honestly, I don't think it's worth bringing up in the first place - we're discussing the music, and it seems you want to discredit me rather than actually discuss it. Maybe you weren't trying to do that, in which case I apologise for the accusation, but your words really come off that way - in the same way that Tchaikovsky's music comes off as accidsntally dropping all the tension.
@@klop4228 Of course it’s a debatable comparison, but I do think the similarity is striking between the bars you don’t like and for example the final bars of Shostakovich’ 5th Symphony. There is a claim that Shostakovich meant that music to be a “forced triumph”, and since Tchaikovsky thought of his 5th Symphony to be “insincere”, maybe a forced triumph is what we have at hand here too. This is why I criticized you so strongly. I feel like you deem yourself entitled to take the flaw out of the work, but the flaw is bound to the meaning of the work. But of course that too is just my opinion. I may be wrong.
Ron fucking swanson
clarinet 2 has wayyyy too many bars of rest in this like 60 bars at a time and who tf has the mental capacity to count for that long
You gotta put in cues for what happens and just listen for those. It's the trick for not counting bars.
Estos metales parecen mariachis 😕 totalmente opuesto al estilo del compositor, de la época y del contexto 🤦🏻♀️ falta de estudio y análisis