Star Wars: The Supremacy - Ship Breakdown
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- We break down the Mega Class Star Dreadnought 'Supremacy'.
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Thousands of weapons systems and yet they only used 4
The others were not in range, i´d say.
But the Supremacy was good for ONE thing: it´s end looked AWESOME.
One of the things what annoyies me the most. Star Wars ships have so many weapons and use just a few at all on screen.
Sim. Frischh the Supremacy is one of the worst looking spaceship that I've ever seen certainly the worst one in Star Wars
Tastes, Sammy. I generally dislike asymmetrical designs.
The Supremacy looks more like a flying wing design for atmospheric flight.
You know, B2 like.
But i agree, Star Wars ships often seem to stay behind what they should be capable of, same with the Jedi.
In the novels the force allows so many uses yet they get defeated by random grunts easily.
After all, in the end what is most important is story plot and looks on screen.
Sim. Frischh I can't think of an example of a Jedi going down to a random grunt unless they were severely outnumbered or the occasional unpredictable surprise attack also while the first does have many uses and can be incredibly powerful it doesn't make Jedi invincible
Not going to lie- the concept of the Supremacy as being an all in one shipyard, capital, and weapon for the first order is actually pretty cool. Like he said in the video, no worrying about supply lines. You wouldn't even need to worry about concealing your location, since you can move within hours, long before any attacking groups could muster against you.
I'd call it an Ark Ship. Basically a space faring faction moveable capital. As far as super weapons go this is the best one overall.
Starwars never made a lot of sense when it comes to combat. From the strategic to the tactical level, and definitely not in ship designs.
I feel like weaponizing warp drives literally makes every freaken super weapon in the world obsolete and archaic. Literally the worse choice ever and shit needs to be retconned. No need for anything but a hyperspace engine and some mass with sub light engines and a navigation computer. Bam you have a missile that can destroy anything.
I love the ship’s concept too, though could use a few design edits. My main problem with the ship is that the FO is being too OP for a remnant faction having such a ship, let alone Star Killer base
Juggernauts are such a cool concept for a ship, unfortunately the First Order used the Supremacy so poorly. They could’ve crushed the Resistance in one fell swoop had they even used all the weapons on board this thing, let alone the power it has simply being a mobile shipyard.
it's a wonder why didn't the CIS think of that
Well, there is something bigger
Galaxium Class Galactic Star Devastator
Type:Star Devastator
Developer:Unknown
Service:Imperial Navy
Cost:1.2 Quadrillion(Id)
Length:60,000 Miles
Width:27,600 Miles
Height:22,800 Miles
Hull:Durasteel Impregnated with Carbon nanotubes
Armor:Doonium enforced Austeel impregnated with Durastell/Carbon nanotubes
Shielding:KDY Type 88 Specialized Shield System. Backup DDLB Shield System
Powerplant:
x120 Star Drive Reactors
x1,200 KAX Super Hypermatter Annihilator Reactors (4,800,000 tons of fuel per second)
x3,600 Hypermatter Annihilators (480,000 tons of fuel per second)
x6,000 Rainex Fusion Reactors
Engines:
Taim and Chax Super Class 6 Ion Engines (5,280)
Heavy Ion Engines (48,000)
Medium Ion Engines (28,800)
Manuverion Ion thrusters placed around vessel (84,000)
Armament:
Superlasers (96)
Ultra Heavy Turbolaser Cannons (1,200,000)
Duo-Heavy Turbolaser Cannon Turrets (2,400,000)
Duo-Heavy Ion Cannon Turrets (480,000)
Triple Heavy Turbolasers (1,200,000)
Heavy Quad Turbolaser Turrets (4,080,000)
Taim and Chax Turbolaser Batteries (2,880,000)
Heavy Laser Cannons (5,280,000)
Heavy Ion Cannons (5,280,000)
Octet Barbet Laser Cannons (480,000)
Octet Barbet Ion Cannons (480,000)
Triple Medium Laser Cannons (5,400,000)
Triple Medium Ion Cannons (120,000)
Heavy Flak Cannons (1,200,000)
Medium Flak Cannons (1.680,000)
Point Defense Laser Cannons (6,001,200)
Point Defense Ion Cannons (9,601,200)
Concussion Missle Launchers (2,880,000)
Planetary Bombardment Torpedoe Tubes (480,000)
Tractor Beam Projectors (480,000)
Gravity Well Projectors (48,000)
Complement:
Imperium Class USD (4)
Eclipse Class SSD (72)
Executor Class SSD (120)
Imperial III Class SD (720)
Imperial II Class SD (1,200)
Imperial I Class SD (1,560)
Victory Class SD (2,520)
Frigates (5,160)
Transport Craft (9,600,000)
TIE Star Fighters (60 Million)
Automated Fighter Drones (120 Million)
TIE Bombers (30 Million)
Other Small Craft (48 Million)
World Devastators (1,200)
AT-AT (320,000)
AT-ST (960,000)
Juggernauts (240,000)
AT-AA (480,000)
Other Vehicles (60 Million)
Artillery (2,520,000)
Prefabricated Garrison Bases (6,000)
12 Billion Troops
Crew: 120 Billion
"Creating a swarm of strike craft so large"
*Decided to send only 4*
So Snoke DEFINITELY never heard about not putting all your eggs in one basket...
So impossibly large. Its crazy that i can house eight resurgents when those were already much larger than imperial isds. Great video spacedock.
Only two of those Resurgents are docked internally, the rest dock to external cradles under the wings
weldonwin its not impossible tho, the deathstar is 3 times larger in diameter alone.
SO impressive, yet destroyed like it was nothing
The Supremacy wasn't destroyed, only severely damaged.
I wouldn’t call being rammed by a capital ship at FTL speed ”nothing”
It wasn't destroyed. It's still functioning lol. The fact that they still managed to conduct a planetary invasion after getting rammed like that disproves your point lol.
The other "wing" of the craft still exists. Plus 26 plus engines are still fully operational as is it's hyperdrive
It's very much alive
It has one of the shittiest range in sci fi tho.
Diana, weapons in all capital ships in Star Wars have lousy ranges.
Think about it; having a gigantic wingspan instead of length means that forward facing a ship is essentially a full broadside, bringing the most guns to bear possible
You have to wonder how there were any resistance ships left after such a broadside.
I like the ship but it's class name is just lazy writing like Mega-class is just uhh
Supremacy-class, although uncreative, would work better.
PokeMaster 2164 No supremacy - class works as that's what it should be as supremacy is the first ship of the class ex.Arleigh Burke- class means the first ship is going to be the u.s.s Arleigh-Burke
stockart whiteman SSD areee technically Star Destroyer Dreadnoughts, not Super Star Destroyer
Admiral Ackbar, the one Rebel who would most likely know what they're actually called, specifically refers to the Executor as a Super Star Destroyer during the Battle of Endor. He orders the fleet to "concentrate fire on that Super Star Destroyer" in an attempt to take it down. The Star Dreadnought thing was a later change, and while technically more fitting of ships on the scale of the SSDs, they are still known by that first name.
PokeMaster 2164 but calling it the supremacy class wouldn't have given Rian Johnson as big of a my ones bigger than yours hard on
The last jedi hurts, especially due to the absurdity of the ship chase. They create these immense specs for all the first order ships, with these huge fleets of TIE fighters and yet all we get is 3 fighters attacking the Raddus before pulling back because they were getting out of range? Who cares? Throw a couple thousand TIEs at them. Not to mention the resurgent Class star destroyer is suppose to be able to get up to speeds comparable to a TIE. Oooooooor have more than 3 of the thousands of turbo lasers firing at once. Not to mention that by just upscaling everything with the supremacy they made the normal resurgent star destroyer do absolutely nothing which is sad because they are really cool and seeing them in action is something I was really looking forward to from TFA. There are just too many holes in their own internal logic of the movie to justify this piece of shit chase. It seems that Disney puts out these Specs to get people excited about what this COULD mean for the movies rather than what it DOES mean.
Like every star wars movie.
What do you expect from Ruin Johnson? if you have watched ''Looper'', the guy has no conpect of logic when writing a movie script.
How many tie fighters could the Death star hold? Everything they make fun of the new movies the old movies did first. The empire was bigger stronger and better but kept losing to the rebels because of BS.
bullscott12: They could have simply have one or more resurgents do a micro jump ahead and fly back. Their only job would be to damage the Resistance' ships engines and everything would have been over. To bad the First Order didn't hide a Interdictor Cruiser or two away or two thirds of the movie would have been over within ten minutes.
The first surprise attack destroyed the Resistance ability to scramble fighters... so... heck swarm them with TIE fighters. So what if you lose some to the turbolasers and laser cannons... That is why you have fighters and bombers.
Mega-class is probably one of the most impressive-sounding yet stupid ship class name in the history of sci-fi. The guys who invented that apparently weren’t aware that « super » wasn’t supposed to be a ship class either.
Wait ! It has missile batteries !?
Lol, by the same logic the executor is a "super-class" Star Destroyer...
I don't know if they read that much about later fan interpreted names like dreadnought (and yes, Curtis Saxton counts as a fan)
Palpatine Class would have been appropriate
david lewis for some reason that's kinda fitting
That's a pretty impressive array of weapons, crew, fighter escort and land forces. Too bad it was decimated by plot armor and the power of bs.
Actually, several physicists have provided hard evidence that the Supremacy being sliced in half by a lightspeed ramming attack is scientifically accurate. Blame physics not plot armor for the end of the Supremacy.
TheVeritas1 scientists have also provided evidence that achieving light speed is impossible
"several physicists have provided hard evidence"
Lol, you don't have to be a physicist to calculate that a large mass traveling ultrafast would have a lot of energy. Grade 10 physics would give you more than enough knowledge.
The issue is it totally fucks the lore of Star Wars, litterly the only combat now should be slinging chunks of mass going lightspeed at eachother.
TheVeritas1 Do they have an explanation for why this ship fired shots that made arcs through space? You know, like land based artillary?
+TheVeritas1
Obviously, if such method was possible it would make sense that lightspeed battering is possible, however, what constitutes as bad writing is allowing such a method to be possible in the first place. Why? Because Star Wars has a history. Lot's of it in fact and the fact that no one has developed hyperspace ramming weapons in the first place is a plothole within itself. Why did the Empire build a moon-sized superweapon when they just could of had used hyperspace ramming tactics to obliterate any planet they wanted? Why did the rebels not use this tactic against the Death Star? Why did the rebellion not use Hyperspace ramming weapons against Star Destroyers? Why did the Rebellion not employ a 'Kamikaze" doctrine on its fighter pilots when they suffered irreparable damage? Making each of their fighter pilots a Hyperspace Ramming weapon because all X wings have a hyperspace engine on it.
Point is, this pandora's box should of have been left closed as it invalidates every single space battle till this point.
Ignoring the atrocious show of firepower, I wish we got to see more of the non-combat functions, such as the shipyard functions, etc. I believe the overall design was inspired by the Horten-229 prototype.
Many of the ship designs in TLJ came from Rian Johnson and his fascination with WW2 Era planes. Very possible he got the shape from the Ho-229
The XB-35(the YB-49's immediate predecessor) was a WWII design.
Or maybe just the B2?
This thing is so ridiculously massive and overdesigned that it actually makes an Executor-class Super Star Destroyer look *practical* by comparison. Great video, Spacedock, keep it up.
Not to mention it is less than a third the Death Star's size, but actually has a higher crew compliment than the entire first Death Star... :-)
If you go from Canon it has a higher crew complement, but in Legends/EU the first Death Star actually had the higher crew compliment: 2.4 million (excluding 400,000 droids) for the Death Star vs 2.2 million (including however many droids the First Order actually has in its service). The ship (mobile space station) is obviously a manifestation of Snoke's massive ego.
The Executor's crew complement was supposedly 280,000, but that was from earlier sources, and assuming it was a smaller ship. 600,000 seems more likely to me.
Yeah, sounds reasonable to me.
Sounds reasonable by comparison but in this timeline ( I mean by the time I'm writing this), the large and mobile structure of Supremacy would serve as a mobile shipyard (can literally make a fleet out of it.), a seat of power and also a formidable dreadnought..
Meanwhile in the EU, the Eclipse has over 10 gravity well projectors and for some reason, this supposed to be the flagship of the supreme leader of the First Order, the Successor of the Empire didn't even have a single one on it to prevent ships from escaping and ramming it with lightspeed.
Tac Son because that was eu. Not canon. In the canon the interdictor project was cancelled before a new hope due to high yield cost and ultimately being inefectual due to multiple failures in combat (see rebels for examples) And dont say "but there were interdictors at endor" canon as far as weve been told no there were not.
Yeah and they had all that budget to build a bigger Death Star with no ships defending it, only to be blew up by a single fighter. Too much for a successor.
Tac Son what does that have to do with not having interdictor tech exactly? And while the planet itself is bigger yes the whole of the mechanisms for starkiller base was no doubt on a whole Smaller
What does that have to do with not having interdictor tech? They have bigger star destroyers than the ISDs used by the Empire, they have a Death Star 3.0 that can obliterate an entire Star System. They have Stormtroopers equipped with better gear wise than the ones from the OT. They have bigger and better armored AT-AT's than the old ones, and even a huge ass Battle Ram which is a ground version of the Death Star. And If you played that crappy LootboxFront 2 game, in the DLC, the First Order has enough ship to overrun the entire New Republic. That alone has proven that these assholes learnt from the flaws of the Empire and improved upon anything the Empire did in the past, and they have the resources to build all these things in great quanity. So not having the Interdictor in their doctrine just because they are expensive is a bullshit excuse because as we have already known budget isnt a problem with the First Order. They are meant to be the successor of the Empire, there is no logical reason for them not to employ these ships in their fleet. So you say Interdictor got scrapped away because it got fucked in combat? Because Interdictor was not meant for frontal assault or ship to ship combat, it was meant to be a support ship! Do you understand the concept of it? Now take away the 2 huge ass cannons from the Dreadnought and replace them with 4 gravity well projectors and tell me if its gonna make a huge difference? Absolutely hell nah, because the Dreadnought was supposed to be a support ship as well. And you see what happened to them when they charge forward into enemy fire? They got fucked! There's many reasons why people don't send aircraft carriers and artillery leading a frontal assault. As clear in Rebels you can see Thrawn was using the Interdictors effectively. Even a casual player of Empire at War knows how to use an Interdictor properly. The New Canon is a mess, and this movie itself alone has left a bigger hole in the entire franchise than a Sarlacc pit on the Dune Sea. All of the things I just listed wouldn't even matter anyway because there is no logical places to apply any of these points in the movie because it failed at it. There is literally no consistency in this movie.
Tac Son i was more going for the fact the project was shut down so long ago theres no guarantee that the group that formed the first order had access to the tech. Remember it wasnt the full empire that went into the unknown regions. Im saying its entirely possible they were at least still trying to replicate the tech. Cause again. No guarantee there was anyone involved in the project that left with them into the Unknown Regions
Oh and yes i know interdictors were great support ships. The empires inability to use them correctly or effectually if anything just furthers the theme of the empire being blowhard morons who underestimate the huge impacts smaller ships or smaller groups of people could have
It is worth noting that the Raddus' hyperspace ram did not destroy the Supremacy, but merely crippled her. Supremacy was still capable of launching the ground invasion of Crait and providing air cover, however limited.
Grand Admiral Thrawn To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if the ship was still space worthy after the attack, its just has so much mass and has the thrusters spread out neatly across the wings. So theoretically the ram attack could result in ⅔ of the ship still being capable of taking on most fleets
Glad to see someone remembering this.
But the resulting explosion from the ramming attack seriously damaged what was left of the Supremacy. There’s a chance that the ship may eventually fall into Crait’s gravity well by the looks of it.
As I said before, it crippled her.
What kind of air cover would it provide? other than its fighter garrison, the supremacy wouldn't be able to get in range to sustain any important orbital bombardment.
Weaknesses:
Completely disabled by any hyperdrive equipped space craft.
I always assumed people could do that in star wars. It’s not like they could stop you anyway. But it’s kinda the same reason we don’t man missiles or fly planes into other people. It’s kinda a shitty long term solution and you need to convince people to kill themselves. Also to do that kinda damage you’d need a massive ship, like real big. No tie fighter is gonna cut it
It is honestly stupefying to wonder why on Terra this wasn't used against the Death Stars, I mean seriously, it punched strait through shields to boot, no defense against it.
One of the many plotholes to come from that distasteful movie.
Um, actually, the reason the hyperspace kamikaze worked was because of the Raddus’ **experimental** shields.
I love how the one attack that has everyone complaining to Disney is the one attack that was EXPLICITLY MADE IMPOSSIBLE by the writers of the old expanded universe when they made the rules for how hyperspace works in the EU. Almost like they saw this being an issue and moved to make sure it wasn't an option. Maybe think a bit before you throw out EU stuff, Disney.
>Massive wing in space
Its almost like they wanted to give it the worst armour profile possible, maximising surface area
Dire - true, but it means it has tremendous forward Firepower, with weapon systems being able to focus on a single forward Target, alternatively to the typical broadsiding of other capital ships.
Both doesn't matter. It's a mobile shipyard, escorts should have cared about armor profile and active firepower %, not this thing. It shouldn't have even left Unknown Regions.
Dire it’s a nice change from the normal ship design though
Tremendous firepower but with main guns that barely clear 40 km range?
It's the same design as all Imperial ships. Just wider.
Cons: Comms rage of about 2 feet.
Turbolaser Range: Also 2 feet.
"This is engineering section A233, and for the next kilometer is section A224, and for the next..."
Creating a swarm of fighters large enough to threaten capital grade shields..... Well 2 ties took out the Raddus's bridge, and on their third pass no less, this is after Kylo blew up the (only?) hangar bay rendering the vessel untenable. Why did they keep up a barrage that was pointless when a swarm of 50, not multiple thousands of fighters, could overwhelm and destroy the ship and it's lackluster escort in a few short passes. I won't accept the acceleration differences as an explanation as kylo literally flew circles around them once they were in retreat.
willj78 - yeah that was really weird, suddenly introducing the concept of Fighters having a "operational range" from which beyond the capital Ships can't "support them".
While I understand the idea that Tie fighters work best with capital ship support, but surely sending a massive death swarm would be more effective than the long range cannons, which I'm sure are great in a supportive/suppression role but were obviously not doing enough damage on their own.
Plus, all the ships in TLJ were having to continually accelerate, at pretty high speed.
which you don't have to do in space. Seriously look at the Starfury of Babylon 5 for how a starfighter should actually work (so much so Nasa is using it as a basis for an orbital construction rig. Nifty)
Annnnnnnnnndddd it's gone...
I honestly don't have a problem with the size or the "all your eggs in one basket" aspect of the ship's use so long as it's location is kept secret it massively reduces the defensive commitment the First Order has to leave to protect their capital. What I do hace a problem with is how the hell could they manage to build it and Starkiller Base and an 8km dreadnought and hundreads of Star Destroyers that dwarf the Imperial Star Destroyers many times over when they're supposed to be so much weaker than the Galactic Empire built up in the unknown region with almost no preexisting settlements, industry or infrastructure in just over 30 years. That simply isn't happening.
Don't confuse the unknown regions with empty regions. There are inhabited planets there, some even with industrial capabilities. It is possible to enslave a few of them to do all that. Not that you could just as well use droids that last longer.
Easily one of my favorite ships in either timeline, even if it was totally misused in TLJ. Granted, tactics in that movie, like TPM and ROTJ, can be summed up with the word derp.
Who would win: the supremacy or one light speed boi.
Jason Li
Considering the amount of energy, any mass going near luminar speeds, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find any vehicle capable of tanking such a hit.
On paper it looks impressive but on screen it uses around 4 turbolasers at a time and dies to hyperdrive kamikaze. yeah
I'd say "bad writing" is responsible for the fall of the new republic. But hey, _that's just a theory_.
KalecAmagosh Am I the only one who feels like the fall of the new republic is awfully artifical? Meaning that there was no real build-up, no reasons for why the first Order is the superpower it currently is, why the republic is so utterly weak and blind to its own demise. No details on the good/bad guys, other factions or the galaxy. Only to have Rebels against Empire 2.0
The writing on the new Disney Wars(yes,I refuse to acknowledge them as proper Star Wars),is so mindboggling bad,it's not even funny.
Why does the New Republic not have a standing army/space fleet?
How,in the name of Zeus' thunderfarting arse,did the New Order got all the manpower,money,ressources etc. to build an army/space fleet,that surpasses the one of the Galactic Empire?
Who the mighty fuck,is Snoke,where did he came from?
Why wasn't a galaxy wide uprising,after the destruction of the New Republic's capital,in Ep.7?
Etc. etc. etc.
KalecAmagosh - Ya know, seeing how the Supremacy got wrecked by a ship that made a lightspeed jump through it, I think the First Order's gonna fall because of bad writing too...
I'll be perfectly honest. While that "stunt" puts a lot of the previous story in question, and it creates a huge inconvenience going further. I kinda like it. Unless hyperspace goes trough another dimension (we know from han that it does not, you can still hit an asteriod), it makes perfect sense that a huge projectile going at many times the speed of light, hitting something else, would cause tremendous damage.
Now, it still is bad writing. WHY DIDN'T ANY OF THE OTHER SHIPS, SHIPS THAT WERE DESTROYED ANY WAY, DO THE SAME FUCKING THING ?
Rebels: starkiller base is down.
New republic: *surrenders*
First order: awwww yes.
Well at least thats how i understood it.
The ship had it scary factor and I can see it juses but it was gutted too soon and How in nine hell's did those remnant bastards had recources to buid it?
As explained in TLJ, war profiteers supported the First Order's growing war machine under the table.
FrostWolfPack I don’t know honestly. It makes no sense that everything in the FO is gigantic
Don't forget they also built starkiller base at the same time.
Because the plot demanded it
TheVeritas1 How? The Republic was full of bureaucracy and constantly tried to micro-manage everything. Unless the New Republic was developed to be the exact opposite of the Old republic, how did no one notice the financial black hole?
As a Halo fan, I was wondering how big is it compared to a Covenant super carrier. With a few rough calculations, I figured out The Supremacy is about as long as the super carriers are wide and is twice as wide as super carriers are long. AKA it is roughly the size of two super carriers. I also like how they are both logistics ships designed to support planetary invasions.
That's a flux capacitor not a hyperspace tracker
Lol
Great Scott!
Such a shame they killed off such a great ship, could have been really cool to see in episode 9, one of the last Jedi’s more overlooked mistakes.
Well, it wasn't exactly killed off, just sustained crippling damages.
Krimverse they could pull a massive retcon and bring it back, like with Rey’s parents or snoke and I hope they do, but I think it was intended to be damaged beyond repair.
Krimverse yeah it seems like they will bring it back next movie. It only lost one wing and could've been repaired by the the other ships.
Plus there three or more of these Mega classes out there.
Star Born Michael Hall are there? I though Supremacy was the first and only of her class?
Kewl ship but horrible strategic planning (writing) under the 1st order command.
isn't that true of all Star Wars. The first death star had a city's population worth of fighters and sent like 10 after the Rebel strike wing.
Well it's isn't as wasteful as the death star
Darth Vader typo my bad
At least the death star doblet as an siege platform.
Obviously, the ultimate dreadnought should have the size of the Supremacy with Gravity Well Projectors, Ion Turbo Lasers with Firkrann Power Crystals, Dual Orbital Autocannons, Dual Beam Weapons, a Single Reactor Ignition Superlaser, Kaminoan Cloning Technology, and a TIE Droid Factory.
It’s only weakness is that it’s slow
If I was snoke I would have the other star destroyers go up to the resistance fleet and destroy them
„Mega class star dreadnought supremacy“ just rolls right off the tongue
I haven't come to your channel in a bit, but I admire the new style you're putting in your videos ;)
please do a video on your favorite small freighters in all sci-fi
Doesn't need complex supply lines? Where does it get the raw materials for its industrial capacity? The fuel (which is an issue in SW now) to keep this ship and its entourage moving? Food and other consumables for the massive population? The Empire's ability to field and maintain its massive ships, fleets and Death Stars was predicated on the Empire's infrastructure and economy to fund its massive war machine (assuming that was even tenable in the long run). The First Order should have bankrupted itself building the Supremacy and Starkiller base, though for some reason AFTER Starkiller base was destroyed the galaxy capitulated to the First Order en masse, though it was only a day or two, not long enough to take over the economy of the Republic. Whatever though. Nothing in TLJ made a lick of sense anyway.
Thank you! It's one thing to try keep a city of over 2 million plus supplied, but on top of that, supply a mobile shipyard facility? That simply wouldn't be possible.
Rian didn’t even try. The logistics needed to keep the Mega class flying would be mindblowing. The fleet of transport ships needed would be ridiculously large.
It really shouldn't have that much problem being self-sustaining. It's fusion powered so fuel for the generators is basically any gas giant, it can harvest asteroids for material and it has several cubic kilometers of food production for the crew. By all estimates it makes perfect sense.
Erika Söderlund Then why was the Resistance out of gas at the start of TLJ? Before Disney shitcanned the old EU they were powered by hypermatter reactors but the tech of those was pretty vague but seemed self sustaining. Now fuel is an issue. Plus, millions of people gotta eat.
no star wars fuel if were going off the EU is hypermatter you cant just scoop it up like hydrogen from a gas giant. also fuel was an issue in the EU TOR which to be fair is thousands of years before the movies mentions the sith running low on fuel when they start losing the war, the republic exhausting the fuel preforming micro jumps to bypass a sith anti hyperspace weapon and fuel and refinery's were the main reasons both sides wanted corelia
You make the ship sound so epic and impresive (most impresive) and yet in the movie it was abomibal that this ship underutilised its magnificent power.
Well done I always look forward to your episodes.
But does it come with a cup holder?
Ask doug demuro for a review
Wait... it has missiles? Did they ever use them?
because hux was stupid
he's a representation of the writers
Someone with half a brain would.So Hux didnt.
Epic as always, my dude.
Nice job as always
honestly, when than cruiser went to light speed on the Supremacy, it should have been completely vaporized due to the astronomical amount of kenetic energy involved, but I guess that wasn't dramatic enough lol
You must have seen the Because Science video which made this exact point.
Correct. I would've been down with that result lol
Would have looked awsome on the big screen!
I would assume internal protection systems would keep the ship relatively intact. The Death Stars can handle the power of millions of stars, so I guess a ship that size can handle highly relativistic projectiles to a certain degree.
Why are you trying to use real world physics on a Star Wars film in the first place.
But force fields and other devices could potentailly absorb the kinetic energy and turn it into something less harmful to the ship. Star Wars is used to work with large amounts of energy after all.
Still wondering why *general* Hux was in command of the ''dreadnought'' at the start of the film.
Should that not be the job of an *admiral?*
True, and, while we're at it, SHOULDN'T HOLDO AT LEAST WEAR A UNIFORM!? I mean, she's a Vice Admiral, but shows no respect to her rank or to other, more professional, soldiers.
@@lba_e_ross2152 still better than the shitshow we have now
The idea of the First Order essentially having a Culture GSV as their capital is genuinely a really interesting idea that we haven't seen in Star Wars before, and I wish TLJ had done more with it, hopefully it wasn't so badly damaged by the hyperspace ram that we won't see more of it in IX.
I love you channel just the facts keep it up
Logistically, the creation of this thing makes no sense whatsoever. But your video was an excellent breakdown of it.
I just assumed it was something the Empire built that the first order finished.
@@thesparduck117 As with so many things related to the concepts established for the ST, that would make so much more sense than what they went with. :-)
@@andrewgilbertson5672 Hell a competent writer would have treated the Supremacy like the Star Forge from KOTOR. If I’d change just one thing about the sequels I’d have that ship be the only super anything the First Order had.
The amount of fuel this thing must have required must have been utterly ridiculous how do you even supply a ship like this lol
Also ARCHED ENERGY SHOTS IS NOT POSSIBLE IN SPACE !!!! Lol
Sound also isn't possible in space, yet we enjoy every other Star Wars film just fine.
Neither is the drag that allows starfighters to perform like aircraft, sound, magic space wizards with laser swords and their angry, evil cousins with lightning hands. This is Star Wars.
Ivaneowski The crux here is consistency: sound always existed in Star Wars, so using that makes sense. Bringing new "features" into the series, which were either not thought possible (hyperspace-kamikaze was never used in any movie/series/book/comic etc. and was therefore thought not to be a working strategy) or contradicts the source material (turbolaser bolts never dropped down, why do they now? And why didn't they do it in the past? In space?) is not a good way to portray space battles
What so lightning hands and sabres aren’t real ??? well it’s treason then..... lol
No I mean they just cast out all lore established in all previous films cartoons etc, that is what annoyed me, and not just me.
And no I thought the force awakens was utter shit.... last Jedi better but my favourite of the new ones is rouge one. Haven’t seen solo yet, no cinema at Hinckley point where I’m working at the mo.
"Bringing new "features" into the series, which were either not thought possible (hyperspace-kamikaze was never used in any movie/series/book/comic etc. and was therefore thought not to be a working strategy) or contradicts the source material (turbolaser bolts never dropped down, why do they now? And why didn't they do it in the past? In space?) is not a good way to portray space battles."
Hyperspace ramming is not a new feature: vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/8/8f/GriffMeetsExecutor-CSW.png.
You know what's better than hyperspace tracking? Some kind of gravity well generator that prevents people from going to hyper space to start with. It a real shame no one thought of that it would really have cut down the chase and I proably would have prevented the first order from discovering any mass moving at light speed has infinite kinetic energy.
I was always curious why we never heard from the supremacy ever again, despite being bisected near the end of episode 8, no part of it was irreparably damaged to the point that it couldn't feasibly become operational again. The unreasonably massive starship was merely turned into a marginally less unreasonably massive starship and an obscenely large starship. The supremacy is by and large constructed like a city, with many zones that could operate independently of each other in a pinch. Aside from a wonky center of thrust I see no reason that the large section couldn't remain functioning as normal. And the smaller section, though maybe needing an impromptu bridge installed, could feasibly be built back up into working condition with relatively little trouble.
Sadly it was sliced in half. Making it hard to make it return to its glory state and maybe it should have a capital ship killer as its main escort.
It had. All these Star Destroyers were behind the Supremacy, that were obliterated by the debris of the hyperspace ramming. I won't go into how stupid that formation was.
When the ship is so big you can only fit the name in the thumbnale
I would have loved to see her actually do something.
You know the New Republic Fleet which got destroyed in Episode 7 when Starkiller Base fired? Why not make an opening battle in Episode 8 with the First Order facing off against said fleet and then BOOM the Supremacy jumps in and wrecks everyone. THAT would have been some dramatic effect.
Hey Spacedock, so I know you're hard at work making your own series (that I'm looking forward to) but if you're ever looking for another ship to do, could I reccomend the Fallen Ketch from Destiny? I know Destiny isn't that popular in comparison to Star Wars or Star Trek but hey, it's pretty unique looking and theres some good cutscenes you could use for your video. Keep up the good work!
I’m loving this new style
Same here. This format rocks.
Sadly all ships are commanded by a crew with sub Jar Jar Intellect...
isegrim1978 "I knew it! I'm surrounded by Assholes" - Mel Brooks
Zoll of Tokarga Well, the Spaceballs at least knew when to step on the gas...
I can't get over the stupidly written "chase scene"... Jump Infront of them... Launch thousands of fighters and tell them that you will level their hometowns if they do not get the job done... The rebels are not much smarter...
isegrim1978 I'm sure that you or I or anyone else in the comments could have written a better script in a week. This goes beyond meerly lazy or bad writing. This is the work of someone who has nothing but contempt for the source material and especially the audience.
Zoll of Tokarga You are probably right. Every one of us has more love for the source material than any of this marketing influenced writers. It reminds me of those yuuzhan vong books, where Ty killed Chewbacca and later Anakin Solo both in a really stupid way and Anakin even "off screen". The argument back then was that the readers would not be able to tell them both apart. I stopped reading star wars books back then.
Disney’s design philosophy: hey member those cool ships from the original movies Wells here’s the same thing but bigger (finaliser, supremacy, at-m6?) oh or in different colors (ties)
Daniel could read the specs on a Tonka truck and make it sound like the most amazing thing ever.
Yeah it broke down alright..some over there...and over there...and over there...
Great ship that was completely wasted. Pretty much useless just like TLJ movie itself.
Like all the Death Stars, all wasted. And the Starkiller base. And the Super Star Destroyer....
Garen Truscott
I agree with you except for starkiller base. Granted it only fired once but that one shot essentially killed the new republic and brought the first order out of the shadows and into the premier power in the galaxy.
The whole new canon is a waste :( - The EU is way better than this crap :(
Star Wars was always objectively terrible, which is why I've seen all the movies.
Few things bring me more joy than reading posts made by butt-hurt fanboys.
Few questions though: How do they manage food, resources for manufacturing, etc?
Ooh! I like the new intro!
It's impossible to have a video featuring anything related to The Last Jedi without the "Nitpicking Crew" coming to complain about it. It's really disappointing that a cool franchise has some fans so vocal that they can't just let everyone else enjoy the movies.
Abbreviated Reviews Jesus Christ sorry for having standards
that thing is so atrocious it doesnt even make sense in the established star wars lore or in the lore of the same movie
So that's where Snoke hid his hentai magazines.
I imagine there must be a lot inside.
Basically the perfect ship for both the Rebellion and Resistance. Honestly I'm surprised that neither the Rebellion or Resistance didn't have several ships that performed the same role and duties as the Supremacy.
To those wondering, I’m pretty sure the OP isn’t talking about the Rebellion or Resistance building a Mega-class analogue. I’m pretty sure they’re just talking about using a ship in such a role as the Supremacy did. Though to my knowledge, the Rebellion did this almost exact sort of thing. Don’t forget about Phoenix Squadron or Home One.
Have you done a video on the Minotour Battle Cruiser from StarCraft?
For all the effort of creating Star Killer Base the First Order could have easily built like, 10 or 20 of these and been completely unstoppable. Except for that whole lightspeed ram thing. I guess this is just the kind of BS that you get when you make your new series without any overarching goal or predetermined endgame in mind. Freaking Disney.
Joseph McHugh
Huh...that whole hyperspace ram thing has been a thing since the EU, *before* Disney.
starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hyperspace/Legends
But keep blaming Disney for something the EU did first.
all the EU cases had the ships drop from hyper space. Galaxy gun? missile dropped from hyper space prior to impact. the executor and those star destroyers? they dropped from ftl prior to impact. the malevolence never opened a hyperspace window prior to hitting the moon the EU never had a ramming that happened at ftl like 8 did.
All these comments talking about this awesome ship being "destroyed" in the Last Jedi confuse me...considering how it's clearly...not? It has a wing shot off. It's hit by a capital ship going to lightspeed and it still manages to not only NOT instantly vaporize, but it also maintains enough control of the orbital situation to deploy an entire army, including an experimental siege weapon to crush the last remaining members of the Resistance.
Also, I've never understood why the lightspeed ram "doesn't make sense."
So, here's what we know about going into lightspeed from the movies (and if I'm contradicted by some book or bit of video game, then that's...just...the way that multi-platform media works, doubly so when you don't have a strict bible.) In the first Star Wars movie ever, Han Solo talks about how you need to be careful with lightspeed because you may return from hyperspace into a star or planet. A navicomp or astromech is required to navigate from system to system. Next, ships clearly start out in physical space, accelerate, then drop into hyperspace, then when they arrive, they decelerate out of hyperspace and back into physical space.
Now, this means that the lightspeed ram has several strategic drawbacks.
1) It cannot be used at range. Any number of gravitational or dark matter blockages between you and the target will destroy your ship. Hell, even using it at moderate range would be dubious, since at SOME point, ships transition fully into hyperspace (as we've seen every time a ship is moving through the glowy blue tunnel.)
2) It requires a capital class ship with a hyperdrive. We know that hyperdrives are expensive, as it's been made a point that any cheap ship (TIEs, for example) don't have them. Also, while in real life, ANY kinetic projectile going faster than the speed of light (or even 99% of the speed of light) would cause immense damage, Star Wars fudges this kind of stuff since...like...the Supremacy is still in existence and isn't a haze of plasma after being hit by the suicide ram. Possibly shields have something to do with this?
3) It requires the enemy crew to be slow on the uptake. If the Supremacy had been closer or had concentrated fire on the...whatever the rebel ship was called, they PROBABLY could have destroyed it before it swung around and warmed up the engine.
So, these factors restrict a lightspeed ram to the few times where you have a capital ship, are willing to sacrifice the immense investment in crew and material, the enemy is at the right range so that you can hit them before dropping into hyperspace, and there's no mass sources between you and the target to screw you over.
>.> Now...it is possible that I'm just out of my gourd and am reaching because I liked The Last Jedi a lot, but that's my thoughts.
David Colby
I hated TLJ, but I commend you for making some fair points
Best one ever!
Loved the music from force unleashed in the background of this video
Man I still can't cope with this new Star Wars with Disney thing
Pin Head I feel you man
Too bad it was destroyed in a ridiclous manner by the even more ridiclous director rj
Damaged, not destroyed.
It still managed to launch a planetary assault on the rebel holdout, along with the few surviving star destroyers.
kris220b it just shows off one thing now....that fire a ship a size of a corvette at light speed and you pretty much can cripple it fire two ships the size of the radus and you pretty much destroy it. Damn rj fucking with core elements of star wars
Rising Horizon Gaming no just pissed that i saw something worse than the prequels
Rising Horizon Gaming
1. the introduction of rose . No point to her character at all you could leave her out and it would actually make the THJ better in my book. Not saying anythjjng about the actress.
2. Luke's dramatic character shift. I mean really I could see why he would consider killing Darth Vader in rofj but the reasoning to kill Ben in the tlj......really he has only started being touched by the dark side and he turns on his lightsaber to kill his nephew....
3. Hyperspace tacking........even though Darth Vader tracked down princess Leia in a new hope......its either not new tech or
4. Leias superman routine through space when she got blasted into space.....she was not hinted at having any force powers other than her force sense the entire time.....
5. Admiral Holdo......pretty sure that is self explanatory.....
6. Dropping bombs in space like that.....
Those are just a few of the issues I had with the movie. It's clear that Rian Johnson had no idea what he was doing when he directed the film that or the producers where a little too hands on and just botched the film entirely.
The only thing I agree with is 6, and YWings are cool torpedo bombers so not using them is a sin. The rest is just... ugh.
Starkiller base was completely absurd, however this ship makes perfect sense as the First Orders megaproject, having only half the Death Stars diameter and a fraction of the volume
What magical materials are holding this thing together when it maneuvers?
all it took was a moncalari cruiser to whit 1 person to destroy this ship. lul
But its not destroyed, just damaged.
Still managed to launch a planetary assault on the rebel holdout, along with the few surviving star destroyers.
"to severely damage and sever 30% of the ship"
happy now?
the point stands that 3 mon cal cruisers could basically demolish anything in the galaxy given newcannon
nilloc93
It's kinetic energy.
A relatively simple, 7th grade physics concept. Magical hocus pocus doesn't make that go away. A heavy object, going very fast, absolutely will deal some damage.
no shit sherlock
The only reason its possible is because the writers, in order to do this scene, changed the way hyperdrive works compared to cannon.
nilloc93
Or rather, because someone remembered 7th grade.
Such an awful ship. Love the new editing though
bin look forward to this one
You should try to do more halo stuff like shadows intent
"Mega-class". All you have to know about this dump and megalomaniac ship, invented by a dump and megalomaniac author and director for his dump and megalomaniac movie that ruined up the whole franchise.
Well, presumably he just choose it as being 'larger than super'. (mega also sometimes relates to million, like megaton)
This ship... is really awesome despite unrealistic. The arc Turbolasers are actually a very interesting design.
So is this Flying State of Vermont destroyed or did they put it back together with hyper fuel glue?
Hey Spacedock, I have a cool battle idea for you to consider. Space Battleship Yamato commanded by Captain Okita VS. Battlestar Galatica commanded by William Adama!
And any mention of any of this (exception the tracker) would have been awesome in the movie.
I still choose to believe that this ship isnt gone, It may sound stupid but the idea that it was split in a half and still functional is just , so cool to me
Could you do a ship breakdown on the Raddus?
I'm guessing the new super weapon in Ep. IX, will be even bigger, as that's the way they seem to go. The Super Extra Mega Dreadstar, will have weapons that'll dwarf the Starkiller base and it'll be big enough to manufacture scores of Supremacies.
This may be my new favorite Star Wars ship. It basically have everything you'd ever want.
Well, except plot armor.
I dont even remember there was a ship like this in the movies - shows how much I cared for the new series.
You forgot about the turbolaser bolts that arc for some reason even though they're in space LOL.
Hey Spacedock, have you heard of Xenosaga? I would love a video about it!!
Here's Johnny That is unfortunate. Xenosaga is also a game, so maybe I should keep my hope?
well.. he's seen Cowboy Bebop and made a video about it. Who knows?
Maybe in the future..
... maybe Nadesico :3
Grand Admiral Thrawn will see the Supremacy as an enormous waste of money, but would probably use it wisely to its expected role.
Perhaps he will have a large collection of artifacts from all cultures. Thrawn could've been a great leader in using the Supremacy wisely unlike the First Order.
I'd have called it Supreme-class Star Dreadnought.
The Supremacy got 'break down' by Holdo's '1 in a million' maneuver.
2:40
The fighter complement--
(is nonexistent.)
Numbers in the THOUSANDS
(hahahhahaha good one)
So I was just interested how Harrower-class dreadnought is balanced compared to Imperial ships, ISD and Executor, and Supremacy. I made few rough calculations, very very rough calculations, so I would have some numbers to compare. ISD is 2 times longer 2,45 times wider and 3,11 times higher. I made an average of those numbers which is 2,52. When you use this number you will get that crew can be only 6048, in hangars you can have up to 409 starfighters, bombers, and shuttles. In addition, this theoretical ship could carry about 18396 troops. I assumed that the need for the crew would be the same for this ship as is the ship larger. I have done the same thing for Executor (13,94 times bigger) and Supremacy (60,9 times bigger). The result is 2259 deployable spacecraft and crew is 33456 for Executor, for Supremacy it is 9866 spacecraft and crew of 146160. And those are very rough numbers. I did not use those 8 Star Destroyers that Supremacy can carry.
Neat work, although I'm still not convinced about the scale of the Harrower. The trailers made it seem much bigger than 900 metres.
Do Space: Above and Beyond! Specifically, the carrier Saratoga, the hammerhead, and chiggy von richtoven!
But still missing that one important upgrade, intelligent competent commanders.
It would have been way cooler and better sounding if they named it “The Supremacy-class Super-Star Dreadnought” or something along those lines