Do You Really Need A New Bow? PAWN SHOP vs FLAGSHIP
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“The Wand chooses its Wizard.”
I went to my local Archery store and they did a full work up on me: Kinda felt like I was at a Physicians office. Anyway, my draw length (31.5) eliminated 80% of the bows in the store for compatibility, and I was looking for a beginner bow. Budget was around 700-800, but the draw length meant that the only available bows were starting around 1400, and it only went up from there with all the other necessary attachments.
The store owner said “I’ll be right back” and went around the corner of his shop, brought up a dusty plastic bag that housed a bow: A Prime Archery Centergy X1. At this point the bow was about 5-6 years old, but he said nobody has ever touched this bow: It’s still brand new, and no prior owners: I would be its first owner. He swapped out the bow strings at no additional cost and had me give it a try.
3 months later, I’m still in the honeymoon phase of shooting this bow. I registered the bow and it’s well within warranty for a free string change in the next 3 years. There is so much to learn, and so much practice to be had, but I walked out of the shop well within budget with an experience that felt like the wand scene from Harry Potter. “The Wand chooses its Wizard”.
Keep that pro shop, it’s hard to find one that’s honest these days (36yrs experience)!!! Don’t know your shop, but kudos to them!!
Meh, I’d rather save up a little longer and get the best I can get.
@@progradepainting3755the best from 3 years ago isn’t any less it was then as now.
I shoot a prime centergy with a 2 pin spothogg slider, shoots out to 80yds comfortably. I run a 300 victory rip with 125gr broadheads and have blown through elk and deer with ease.
Good bow!
In the year of 2043, that $2300 Mathews bow will be considered ancient technology by another RUclips bowhunter and available at a pawnshop for $200!😂
@2300? 💀
@@chadwarren3582 - Did u watch the video???
With all the stabilizers, rest and sight probably more in some markets.
@@aaronshorter864under the command of Trudeau. We would pay almost 4K for that build around here.
@@chris_in_hd you’ll have that in those socialist areas
Yeah but compare a 2023 flagship vs a 2017 flagship and see if there are any noticeable advantages.
I second this statement and say move it up to a 2020!!
But that wouldn't sell any new Matthews bows would it?
Agree 💯
Would love to see the phase 4 vs a Chill R
Exact same speed as well
As a top 5 Olympic archer in my own mind, I demand the highest performance and latest cutting edge tech from my bow equipment regardless of cost. Though in the real world I often miss entire targets, buying the most andvanced and up to date equipment each year assures that I miss more accurately, or at least with less vibration.
"In my own mind" 😂
The top is an idler, not a cam. Only the bottom limb has a cam.
Its also called the wheel
Also you don’t have to buy a 20 year old bow, go buy a halon or Z series if your contractually required to only purchase mathews
If you pop that log of a grip off of those older mathews they actually have a nice flat back and the grip is thinner. Add a string stop, quality accessories including strings and cables, and shoot it again. Those old single cams were simple and reliable. I have an LX that I refuse to part with. Currently shooting Hoyt, but the LX isn’t going anywhere, it’s a great back up bow.
The crunchy/grindy feel you talk about when drawing is from the cable slide not running smooth on the cable rod. You can actually see it jumping when you draw the bow at the 12:00 mark. Put you a Saunders Hyper Glide cable slide on that thing. Problem solved.
I bought a Switchback XT brand new in 2006 when they first came out. I'm still hunting with that bow. Is it slower than new bows? Yes. Is it as quiet as new bows? I'd say it's pretty close. Personally, I like the draw cycle on the XT better than some of the newer bows. I think putting newer accessories on my XT with quality arrows has helped that bow shoot as well as it does. I don't practice as much as I used to practice, but with the XT I can walk out and shoot softball-sized groups at 60 yards with little to no practice; that bow is such a great shooter. I say all that to say, this video felt more like an advertisement than a true test. Why not shoot the old bow with better arrows? Why not turn up the poundage? Why not put on a better rest? Phase 4 is a great bow, but there are some shooters out there in the used market like the XT. :)
from how I understood it, he wanted the entire build to be "budget friendly". I agree, I shot an 07 Switchback XT for 12 years, I absolutely loved that bow!
Everyone I know who has had a switchback XT loves it. Such a great bow.
Would be more interesting if you outfitted both bows with the same accessories, sights, stabilizers, rest for a more accurate side by side. Would also be interesting to see how a bow like the outback or switchback XT compare since those are more similar with a more parallel limb design compared to the Q2
You can’t ever do a fair comparison if the bows aren’t equipped the same way and are shooting the same arrows. Apples to apples that Q2 is not that different performance wise. The new bows may have interchangeable grips and how you set the draw weight is different but the older solo cam bows are still great bows and perform great.
@@ecleveland1the q2 was a pretty good step below even the switchback and xt. The drenalin was a refined switchback.
Those bows don't hold a candle to a new flagship. You claim the accessories and arrows would make them comparable. I bought a leftover flagship Xpedition this season and I'm using old accessories from a bow prior to my last bow. And the gap between them is still ridiculous. And his Phase 4 is in nearly every way an improvement over my MX16.
Ya like he said the q2 was light and wind would push him. Now if the wind didn’t push him it looked like he could’ve had better grouping closer to the bullseye than that phase 4 from looking at the where the good q2 shots were
Matthew solo cam switch back XT was the very first bow I ever owned. I really wish I still had it. It was an amazing shooting bow. To this day I've never shot anything but a Matthews
I still have and shoot my XT
What you aren't talking about though is the emotional or nostalgic experience and connection guys have to older bows that can far outweigh any measurable reason or logical argument you make to justify spending $2500 on a new bow for it's "performance". I will take that 20 year old bow all day long over the Phase 4 for those simple and beautiful reasons.
Funny how you can buy those fancy new bows in a couple years fully loaded for the price of the accessories..getting the bow basically for free. I do it ALL THE TIME! Thanks to those who need a brand new fancy bow every year!😉😊👍👍
Would it jump less with the string stop? Id like to see that with a slow motion camera. Plus that old woden handle can be sanded down to fit you perfectly.
I still hunt with that same bow. I did put a dead end string stop which was a big improvement. Love that bow
This kids weak. Tons of complaining, it’s tiring.
Just had mine restrung after digging it out after many years (10+), still shoots great. It definitely needs that dead end stop for me.
I took a break from bow hunting for about 15 years. Jumped back in this season and my experience definitely reflects this video. I’m blown away by how my more comfortable shooting modern bows are. I never used to shoot past 30 years back then. Now my warm up is 50.
Not only a little older flagship but it would be nice to see a a brand new more budgeted bow comparison video?! Say like one of the shelf ready to shoot type of bow that you don’t have to spend more than my truck to get?! Still shooting a 90’s bear from goodwill for $25 barely out to 40!
Compare it to a PSE Stinger Max. A $300 ready to go bow.
Love this! Would be also interesting to see the same, but with a more recent and comparable used bow
Like an RX-1 just saying!
Your Phase 4 setup in NY state through a pro shop is almost 3200$ right now, helps if you can build it out and tune it yourself to keep the price down though. My ol lady’s diamond build I did shoots like a dream only 650$ into it including black eagle custom built arrows, keep this good info coming my man, helps us all!
I’m looking at getting the Gen 4 and I currently have a SQ2. Been hunting with it for years, I’ve been hunting with “old” bows my whole life so shooting it is kind of old hat. I don’t know any different, I don’t shoot over 30 anyways so the distance thing isn’t an issue. I just switched arrow systems from what you were shooting to 640 grains. Those arrows are not too fast but the sound is much quieter and they shoot dead nuts.
Always interesting Chris. My first several Mathews bows (and other brands) were fairly vertical and they certainly did jump out of your hand compared to the parallel limb bows of today.
I remember the first upgrade in bows I ever got. The first time I shot it I didn't even realize the arrow left the bow. It was so smooth and quiet. Went from a bow made in like the 1980's to a 2014 model.
I wonder what Tom Miranda would say about this video… he went all over the world killing stuff like a pro with that bow or an older model
Tom Miranda shot a Safari
The SQ2 was my first bow. I shot so well with it. I loved that wooden grip.
I got mine when I was 15 as my first serious bow and now 32, just had it re strung for nostalgia.
I have been bow hunting for 40 years, 99% of my kills have been under 20 yards. That old bow will fo just fine. Take the extra $ 2500 buy gold.
I hunted this afternoon with a $200 PSE bowI nought in 2003. I have kept it in immaculate condition and changed the string when needed. It shoots fantastic with carbon ar arrows. I don't see why I should get rid of it when it does everything I need it to do.
I owned a Q2XL back in the day. Awesome bow. I shot that bow so well. Definitely amazing how much bows have evolved.
Buying 1 year old Flag ships is an amazing alternative option. Got my loaded 1 season old Hoyt Ventum for 1/2 price and it was like new. Deals are out there just need to know how to look!
Yea exactly!! I was considering buying an RX7 now that the RX8 is out, just waiting on the "iphone users" to trade in their new bow for the brand new bow so i can get a deal 😂
This is so crazy to me. I fell out of the bow game in the late 90s while in high school. I bought a lightly used bow in 2010 that was a yr old, just began seriously shooting it this yr to get back into bow hunting. So the 2009 technology that is new to me, is considered ancient technology compared to new bows 😆
Just started watching you and bought my first NEW compound bow.I got a pse brute atk to use for hunting and target I can’t wait. Love the videos thank you for the inspiration man
The new bows are too expensive & too dam heavy. A lot of people would be glad to have some of the older Mathews. I had a Q2, a Switchback & still shoot a chillR & I can shoot all of them dam good at 60/70yds
Right! Folks are nuts to spend that much money on a piece of aluminum and a couple pieces of fiberglass. Have shot used high end bows all of my life, usually ended up getting the bow for free if you added up all of the accessories. Loved my chillR with the rock mods!
I love my chill r. I will never part with it
Honestly, I love my PSE Stinger 3G @ 55 lb. I was hitting X's at 3D shoots on 60 yard targets. I only got a Prime Nexus 4 due to the adjustability, 70 lb draw, and free strings for life (that won me over). I'm glad I changed over, but I would have made due with the Stinger.
I had many bows, but now hunt again with my Stinger HP. its reliable,and well done his job.
Best thing you can do is go to a professional archery shop and give them your budget, and shoot every bow you can in your length and poundage (new or used) within that budget. A good archery shop will be more than willing to do that for you, and you will be way better off than just going with the "flagship" or "latest and greatest"
My 2011 APA King Cobra was a violent bow I thought. Have not done archery for years just starting again and took it off the hook. I am learning something new here.
I bought my Mathew’s mission riot 10 years ago, the only bow Ive ever owned. Still hunt with it and love it!
I've killed a pile of deer with a mission Eleminator. I've had 3 flag ship mathews and an Elite and still go back to that bow. I have a mathews v3 still and it's a great bow, easier to shoot. In a hunting situation I can get on deer fast with the old mission.
I bet Matt will be thrilled to hear one of his celebrity shooters. Say he had a lack of tech and rip his bow apart. 😂
I’d be very interested in a video of “light bows vs heavy bows” I shoot a bow that’s only 4.4 lbs fully setup and haven’t gone to the new Mathews just due to weight differences.
I’ve shot a mathews z7 for over a decade, thought about upgrading to a newer bow this year but man, the z7 is just so smooth and fun to shoot. I’m not sure how much better a new bow can be.
I had one, blacked out with the best accessories money could buy at the time. I did hate the wooden grip but I just took it off and shot bare riser. Wish I would've hung on to that bow. It was a shooter.
There is no timing issue with the cable guide because there is only one cam ;)
Well..... I being hunting with the same bow for 5 years I didn't even knew when it was made I wonder sometimes but never really made the effort to find out 😅 I appreciate it the information
Yo Chris, you taking a QAD over a Hamseke? Have a video where you break em both down and your overall rest preference?
Killed a doe today with a bow I bought new in 08 older bows still work great. I own a new bowtech reckoning but decided to use the old Martin magnum quest!
Looking at those groups it's hard to make a case for a $2,300 or more setup.
I shoot a Mathews MQ1 that I bought brand new 26 years ago. I have jazzed it up with a new string, sight, rest and stabalizer since then but other than that it is point and shoot and the deer don't seem to know the difference. I would like to have a new one but I do not see the pont.
I also still have, and shoot an MQ1. Your point is very well made. At normal hunting ranges for deer, it will do just fine.
6:23 really like the butter friendly arrows 👌😂😂😂
Mathews should come out with a bow like creed but with the new risers.
Had that same matthews as my first bow..
Thing was great, i gave it to my dad when i upgraded
My brother and myself got one of these bows for christmas when i was in highschool. Lady my dad worked with sold the bows for what her husband said he paid great for us bad for him lol. The were great shooters.
Brought the Heli m back in 2012. Still my current bow. Would bee cool to see that comparison to the new Lift.
Never thought of my Q2 as being violent. I don't even wrap my hand around the handle when I shoot it. I guess I'm just used to it obviously having it for so many years. It also has more accessories than yours. It's probably going to feel incredible when I finally upgrade.
I have that exact 2Q and it is very loud to shoot but next bow season I want a phase 4
Chris ur the man but lets be real no pun intended…the gaybalizers are like 1/4 of that $2,500 lol
New is new, man! But I bought new Chinese one and now thinking it would be better to by the US used but in good condition.
Since you are in the industry, you should work on a good hunting quiver. Nobody wants all those arrows on the side of their bows. There are options for separate quivers, but most do not lend well to broadheads. Get with a company and work on that! Great videos. Always enjoyable. Keep up that good work.
Would a string stop fix the jumping out of your hand thing?
Us old timers shot compounds in the 80s and 90s probably before you were born. Lots of world class archers did just fine with those old, slow, jumpy, loud bows. New bows have come a long ways.
Maybe shoot them at 20 or 30 yards instead of 50 +. They shoot better than you think!
Levi has a video shooting and old Switchback. He shot it much better than Bee! 😊
Im runnin a hand-me down 2011 Elite Pure. With the groups i shoot, it makes no sense to me to spend money to 'upgrade'. Ill shoot it till it stops shooting
I bet if you practiced with both bows, knowing and are use to how each bow reacts, the arrows from both bows would be grouped way better.
Same as taking a car/truck from 2001 and comparing it to a new model. Both get the job done, just one has a way higher price tag.
*Just curious, after 25 years bowhunting and reading/watching info, this is the first time I've ever heard a comment that the bow is or even part of the reason for how the wind affects the arrow???🤔
What about a bow like a 2014-16 to a 2022-2023 model? Is it worth upgrading the bow then you think?
I would just put new strings on it and be good to go.
I'm no competition shooter, but I fill the freezer with my Diamond Edge SB1. Before I got that bow I had a Darton Excel built in 1991. Spend more attention at becoming a good shooter and less about having all the new shiny bits. Never be ashamed of carrying a $200-$300 bow into the woods. Spending $1 million on a Bugatti doesn't make you a better driver. FORM, FORM, FORM!
I still shoot my old Q2 and it’s set at 70lbs 29-1/2 draw and it shoots at 292 fps. My arrows are the correct spine and weight for whatever the IBO certification is . The new bows are nice but come on $2500 is insane for a hunting bow set up. Companies come up with all sorts of cool tech buzzwords for their own new products to market them and charge higher prices. I shoot just as fast, just as far, and just as accurate with my Q2. When Mathew’s made the Q2 they made a solid bow that is every bit as good as any bow on the market today.
My first ever vow was Martin fire cat and I set up my likings killed alot of deers with it
Suggestions on LH sight? Something metal that doesn’t break the bank. I only whitetail hunt so 3 pin is plenty. Do not shoot enough to spend $2-300
That’s the bow I have and my groups are inconsistent even though no wind and aimed for the same spot
I dont know why im leavin a comment cause they never get replied back, but i wish for the middle class and lower class hunters that do hunt with older bows or a “pawnshop” bow, i wish these sponsored guys would compare their $2,500 bows to a good bear bow. Ive shot bear all my life, due to cost, and have killed just as many nice deer as the big timers have.
Yes, the bow don’t make the hunter, Switchback, BT Experience, Hoyt spyder 30, elite answer, all GREAT bows and you don’t need anything better. BUT, a bear bow doesn’t compare to the leaders in regards to comparison. All that needs to be said Is “you don’t need Mathew’s or Hoyt or BT. Just get what you can afford and get out there. Also, practice your shot lol
You mean, Chris doesn't ever reply to his own subscribers?
I'm running a bear species obviously did some upgrades to it did qad rest nose button a better stabalizer but I might upgrade next year unsure if I'll stick with bear or go to a mathews. But I know a bear will still do the job obviously.
Hey Chris my name is Henry I am 14 and I just bought a phase 4. Shot it a couple times and the string came off would you know why?
It’s so crazy I see this because I was shooting my bow earlier and my cams broke😂
Awesome vid mate..i can relate 100%.
Maybe try a flagship bow from 5 - 8 years ago rather than 20. Outfit with some modern accessories and I bet the difference would be significantly less.
You need to go back 20 years to see some improvement.
My current 2013 compound bow specs are 35" ATA, 340 fps, 6.25 brace height, 4.5 lbs mass weight.
Same brand 2023 bow specs are 34" ATA, 340 fps, 6.25 brace height, 4.6 lbs mass weight.
I would feel like a fool buying a new bow today! I honestly believe my current bow is built better than the model that would replace it today. As a matter of fact, I would switch brands if I had to replace my current bow. I don't plan on replacing my current 10-year compound bow EVER! Spec-wise very little has changed in 10 years. Mathews taught me to ignore marketing hype over 25 years ago. Compound bows have made some vast improvements over the years, but spec-wise they haven't changed much in a very long time. Practice with what you have, & you will be successful!
Good shooting, but have you tried the push pull method cuz your left arm pulls left and down. If you push pull, then you left arm will stay more on target
I had a brand new z max and don’t remember it jumping out of my hand , was a good bow ! Id still shoot one even tho i have a V3 lol
Still shooting my 2012 Destroyer 350. Still love it still kills deer and still shoots great groups. 👍🤘
i still hunt with a q2 today
I don't want to surprise you but putting stabilizers with weight on there will stop it from jumping out of your hand. If you want to do an apples to apples comparison just swap the stabilizers between the bows, oh wait Matthews made it so you have to buy all new accessories with a new bow. How kind of them.
They definitely had 0.001 straightness arrows back then. No point in using the cheaper arrows with that Q2. X7 aluminum was top of the line then.
I sold Mathews bows in the 80's. Every year, Isaid almost the same things you're saying now.
Time moves on. In 40 years you'll look at that awesome bow and laugh.
Shoot what you can afford, dont get wrapped up in the tech stuff.
The deer don't care whether it's an old long bow or a $3k compound. They're still just as dead.
I wish major bow manufacturers would sell last years models at big discounts.
Each cam is good for an inch yes i still have a Q2 in my collection
I would love to see you get an onieda eagle and see how accurate you can get with it.
Q2 was my favorite hunting bow. Many Whitetail met their demise with it. Amazing how engineering archery equipment has evolved.
While I agree that a new flagship bow is worlds ahead of a 20ish year old flagship bow, the tech from roughly 10 years ago is far more in line with new bows than the turn of the century bows.
Instead of a new flagship bow, a lot of folks at least in my area will buy used flagships from when someone else upgrades every 3-4 years. Often times they are already kitted out with at least moderately higher end accessories and can be often had for in the $500-800 range.
I'd like to see you pick up something like that and compare it. It would likely change the performance vs value proposition quite a bit.
Buy a 2yr old flagship bow for 60% discount. Picked up a fully loaded VX-R for $699 at Scheels.
I still shoot my DXT and don’t plan on buying a new one anytime soon. Mine still shoots awesome and im still killing deer with it.
You should do a Mathew’s triax vs new. Or something around the triax year.
My bow is 14 years old and I still love shooting it. Been the demise of many good bucks including p&y’s. Every year I think this will be its last but I keep using it. Pearson Z32. Not even in business anymore.
I use to shoot a Mathew mission craze at 45 pounds. That bow I have owned for 10 years. My pro shop sees me I come in a lot and shot. They told me I see you here a lot shooting the mission craze you should try a new bow. They asked why have I not switched I told him the v3x33 which was the bow I wanted was 1 200 $ I told them I can’t afford it. So they told me I will take 300$ off and I said deal. Now my buddy has my mission craze.
Great video Chris!
My Q2XL still shoots lights out
You imagine if chuck Adams had this technology back in the day and even Tom Miranda , he is still walking and stacking with the new technology
How would a different bow make a difference in their kills? A dead deer is a dead deer
I agree a new bow is great. However, there are people that are buying new bows every year or every other year. From a hunters perspective it does not make sense to buy a new bow that often. I do agree if you are shooting competitions than maybe every other year at most. I think hunters are better off with going after the used market to update there 20 year old bow. There are lots of 2 to 3 year old bows out there that you can get at half the price of a new one.
Have you got a C4 (Mathews Conquest 4), that is slow !
Man i had a Q2 back when i was around 14 and id shoot at 100 and get a decent group BUT i also shot every single day for hours
Basically it is the same speed per pound :) so hard to say if the old one wouldn't be just the same speed if it would be 75 pounds also.
I have a 42 year old York compound sitting on the floor. I have not shot it in 35 years. I'm afraid to shoot it.
Mathews really has to step it up with speed. My elite omnia is shooting a 435 grain arrow at 71lbs and 28 1/2" draw a d it's shooting 305fps
You should do this again, but less of a gap, maybe 3-10 years
Out of the old girl you should have gone period correct with an xx78 super slam!
Where did you get your large round target?
Anyone know what Bino harness he uses