Despite learning that my favorite heroes are literal garbage, I really enjoyed listening to the details of each hero and seeing what makes them viable in combat.
3:58:36 Fun fact: the line "I am the one that knocks" is a reference to a line in Braking Bad, witch emplies that the cristal that Durax is actualy made out of BLUE CRISTALISED METH
4 hours and 41 seconds? I literally thought it was a recording of a youtube stream or something lol. Incredible work man, insta-liked for the amount of effort put into this and I'm sure that it's accurate and not randomly placed as well, definately deserves a lot.
Interresting fact: If Dante gets eaten by a parasite and dies, he doesn't goes back in ghost form. Instead, he just dies and come back like any other heroes
29:06 "His effectiveness is highly dependent on the damage enemies can deal" That actually makes a TON of sense and makes it clear why people don't like Veruk even though I believed he was solid for the main campaign. Enemies are generally weaker and don't deal as much damage in most main campaign level, so Veruk was surprisingly solid for a free hero considering his weaknesses didn't make nearly as big of an impact in those cases, including on Veteran. 2:46:50 Full agreement, Khaz is underrated. He feels like if Ironhide dumped a bunch of unused ideas into one bonus hero... in a great way. He offers a lot of unusual if not unique abilities that other heroes don't offer, while having little glaring weaknesses. Favorite hero alongside Dante.
Veruk is really underrated in that regard, I've defended him from haters for a long time, just cuz they never used veruk in the earlier stages of the main campain
Alric is broken and op for a free hero tbh, dude's a walking barracks and can go toe to toe with heavy hitting enemies, not to mention his broken flury skill
@@darkspyro1634 mirage is weak af but nivus is right behind her, so she only barely qualifies as the weakest frontiers hero. Cronan is also weak but heroes like kutsao and grawl aren't much better so free heroes in frontiers on average aren't weaker than paid heroes.
What should I say about this? Perfection. Nothing can get through. The peak of Kingdom Rush. You have made a tier list that i desire to see. You've pinned out everything: fairness, no baised opinions, show full potential of the heroes, variable player. It's perfect. Thank you Voduke, i can happily rest now.
@@raskult he's basing his list on analytics and stats, you can like denas but that doesn't make him good by default, I like mirage and alleria so should I hate bomb the community cause they think they're trash?
Oh, one more thing: I remember that when Bruxa was introduced into the game (I was playing on Android back then), the 5 enemies limit on the doll was not a thing, so it was insane against savages and saurians.
It was insane against EVERYTHING! Using it on Zombies in any of the Shadowmoon stages felt like an early version of Beresad's hero spell because of how strong it was.
God I love RUclipsrs like you who give so much effort into their videos, despite knowing that it will reach very few people due to how niche the topic is. Finding videos like these is always a gem on RUclips.
I think by this point I've spent over an accumulative 3 days of my life watching this video. I don't care if some of the placements and circumstances have changed since it came out - this is an amazing video on its own.
What a magnum opus of a video. The detail is so exceptional and learning about how to use certain heroes is very interesting. The editing and jokes are entertaining as well so it really feels like you tried very, VERY hard on this video which I know most certainly you did. This is one of the few videos that really don’t get stale for me, and I am so glad it was something with so much passion put into it. Actually a top 10, maybe even top 5 video I have seen on RUclips (which is basically where I watch all my videos so all-time). What a masterpiece of a video. Thank you for the excellent experience, Voduke and I am still trying to watch whatever you put out!
Finally made it all the way through, took me 2 weeks of on and off watching, but I made it. This topic initially didn't interest me, which is why I didn't watch it before recently, but I have to say the video grabbed my interest as I went along, and I really enjoyed it by the end. As someone who often spends one month pr. video, for a channel that will probably never grow into something big, and often doubts if it's even worth it in the end, since I know those viewers, I gather will most likely not carry over, should I decide to focus on something else than Ironhide's games, I admire your courage to spend this long on a project, for the same small community. Even if making videos is what we love, there is still so much tedious work involved with bigger projects, which makes you wonder if it's even worth your time. I have been doing RUclips for 5 years of my life, and it was only recently, at the end of last year, where I started to give it my all, when I started to get the ball rolling, granted I was at the right place at the right time, with my first video on Vengeance, but had I not put so much care into the video, I don't think it would have taken off like it did. So never settle for something worse, when you could do better, it improves your craft through challenging yourself, and even if the process seems frustrating at times, and it feels like it fills up the majority of the time spent, there is also a lot of moments of enjoyment and pride that goes into creating videos. Whenever I feel tiresome about parts of the process, I always think about how many thousands of people who have watched my videos, even dough I am a small channel, I still gain a lot of views for my size, so even though all of those people will not be coming back to my channel, I still provided so many people with entertainment for 20 min, just like I ultimately enjoyed making that happen.
This is, by far, some of the cleanest and most enjoyable content I’ve ever listened to on RUclips. I literally stumbled across it and have been listening to it on my bike ride to and from work and whenever I had free time. Thank you
This video is a masterpiece in the most literal meaning of the word. The amount of research is insane, the accuracy and depth of the picks and explanations for them go farther than I could have ever hoped, and it's so entertaining that I intended to play this in the background but watched in fullscreen the whole way through. Amazing job. I hope your pillow is forever cold on both sides, and every pencil you sharpen has a perfect point.
I hope you made some good money from this video and all the ads I saw while watching this in its entirety. I hope you continue to make things you are proud of and live an honest life like you said. Great work, wishing you all the best
I just finished your video and I want to say that it was wonderful and well done. I appreciate all the details you included about the heroes and the memes you added. I can tell that a lot of effort went into this video. I appreciate the ending monologue a great deal as well. Thank you for this gem!
Wow. I'm not even finished yet, but from what I've seen, you not only know your shit, you know it *really* well. Every second, I can feel the sheer amount of effort that you've put in this video. Hats off to you man, I've got mad respect for you and this well developed video. I probably won't ever see another tier list as high-quality as this.
Yeah even the free heroes are good. Razz and rags has so much stalling and blocking potential, Catha has so much stunning and blocking, eridan has good DPS and is really tough to kill, Lilith has crap abilities but can hold her own in a fight thanks to her base stats, and Arivan is a glass cannon
Def agree, though it's got to have the most forgettable towers in the series so far imo Last tier archer towers all use bows- imagine if atleast one of them atleast had spears instead of bows and arrows (I know it's a stereotype but it's meh in design), the rock throwing artillery (forgot the names already) should throw the rocks more like he's actually throwing the rocks and not just the vanilla bomb throw animation from KR1, and the tree tower should atleast made use of it's roots like he stabs his hands on the ground and roots sprout on the target direction, the barracks are interesting but the blade dancers feels like a reskin of the assassins fron frontiers, the mages are good but again forgettable, wild magus feels like archer towers but they did magic damage- the high elven mage on the other hand has a cool gimmick with the sentinels AGAIN, IT'S JUST MY OPINION
In my being a Kingdom Rush Fan for more than a decade now, never have I seen someone do so much research and put such a staggering amount of effort into a project on this series. Salute to you Voduke!
This guy makes me feel I have been playing the game in the stupidest way possible, so professional and so in depth, I so appreciate the obvious effort put into making such videos, thank you so much for that!
Even though I watched it in 2x speed, I still got all the info across. I really can’t believe that 7 years ago watching my dad playing pandemonium on his tiny phone would lead me to beating all levels on veteran in all the games. I’m not sure why, but I always thought that KR was a not very popular game that not very many people knew about, though it was quite a large part of my childhood. This video really reminds me that there is much more to this community other than me and my dad, and that legends like you are willing to take literal months to inform the community about its contents. Mad respect man ❤
It took you talking about Eiskalt for like 15 minutes for me to realize his name was a pun on "ice cold." The conclusion was surprisingly emotional. Congrats on finishing such a huge project! Also loved the chonk names, awesome vid, very pog.
@@Voduke789it also sounds like the words “Ice Cult” and given that you play as the villain in Vengeance and dragons are often worshipped, it fits him very well.
Such effort put into this. I wonder how long this took you? Well done! I figured that you would put Eiskalt at number 1. Although I have yet to play KRV, he seems to be incredibly OP, more than Bonehart.
I keep coming back to this video. It is so well made, from the introduction to the reasonings and research behind it to the jokes. I've seen you comment that you intend to add the alliance heroes and remake the list eventually and i can't wait to see it.
I come back to this video once in a while. I'm not even a fan of kingdom rush i simply downloaded it on my phone to play something while going to work a few years ago. But your passion, your determination, the effort you put into this video is trully inspiring. We all have our own communities and i really wish there was a person as awesome as you in mine. It's very entertaining to watch you explain thess heroes like some kind of scientist.
@@Voduke789 I really like a little surviving game called don't starve together. The debate on which character is the best has been going for over a decade without a clear answer. Noone has ever put this much effort into testing characters to have a definiteve ranking on the same level as in this video. Also I didn't mention it but I love the puns related to every hero at the end of their discussion. I love puns.
@@gi-go8575 Well, then you've probably didn't watch a lot of DST content or played the game for a very long time. The question of who is the best character in that game was always quite easy to answer, since a good player can offset the other tasks different characters can do. For a while, it was Wolfgang, simply because of his damage. Currently its Wanda, because outside of damage and tankiness she also has a ton of utility. Though I don't know how much the talent trees changed. DST overall greatly suffers from nonsensical character design too, the most prominent example of which is Walter
The conclusion really hit me for some reason, the effort you put into this is insane and it deserves a million views. My mind was blown when i first saw how detailed this was, and to see that it lasts for more than 4 hours. I hope you're happy with the result, thank you so much for this!!!
This really is a magnum opus. And with that talk at the end, it really drives the point home and the realization of how much must have gone into making this. I salute you, having this much dedication and putting so much effort into a thing is truly amazing and I'm grateful for your long work which has kept me entertained for several days and took me back to the glorious days of playing Kingdom Rush.
Your voice is perfect for this kind of videos. I think that this deserves at least 5 million views, but even that couldn't compensate all of the time and effort put into this list. Shame that kingdom rush saga isn't very popular
The ragdolls from Razz & Rags have really good stats but fundamentally just can’t get that much done in the short time before they get turned back into enemies. They should 100% have a mapwide aggro range to allow them to automatically seek out the closest enemies. This allows them to deal and take more damage in far more situations, and allows you to use the hero spell far more liberally. Even the worst outcome of the ragdolls not fighting anything occurs would still mean that the ragdolls travelled up the path for 8 seconds, effectively buying you more time to deal damage to that enemy This one change would solve so many of the fundamental problems with this hero, and it alone would likely catapult Razz & Rags into the top half of all KR heroes
Actually watched it all the way through. Didn't regret a second. I loved the narration, the infomation and even the jokes and memes even tho I'm not really into that. I can't imagine myself actively watching an almost 5 hours video, even if not in one go, but you managed it. You did an amazing job and should be proud of yourself. Also, the few people that disliked probably mained Bolin and thought he was OP lol
I know he has timestamps in the description but I wanted to leave this here for 2 reasons 1:Some people do not read and will miss that and 2:Maybe some people are looking for a specific champ and so this might help out
Wow, the effort you put into this is insane! Congrats on finishing your project! EDIT: Just finished the video, it was truly legendary. Not many people can say that they created something that is the best, the most extensive material on any topic, and you achieved it.
I just want to leave a comment to admire the effort and dedication. KR's fanbase might not be big, but the fact that it has fans like you sir speaks its uniqueness like no other.
A beautiful list, ive watched this twice now, and while its disheartening to learn of Razz & Rags low placment (Especially since the Grosh update vid lol) its so captivating and interesting to learn on this stuff. You put in tons of effort, and you deserve way more subs.
Dude I know this is 2 years ago and there are some few heroes got released after this but I can say that this video is one of the best I've ever watched on all of youtube
Poor Bolin Farslayer. I figured he would be ranked low on the list. Another interesting thing is what you said about Alleria's wildcat. I cannot believe that at lvl 10 on iOS, it only does 2-4 damage. Also, on my system, her attack damage at lvl 10 is different. She does 15-26 and not 17-25. Not sure if you have that, but it is certainly on mine.
This is the best tier list I’ve ever seen. This was amazing and seriously INCREDIBLE how much effort you put into it. Kingdom Rush is honestly one of my favorite game series ever. Thanks for all the content!!
Gotta respect this dude for not slapping six million midroll ads on this, it's clear this video was this dude's passion project or some shit like that. Cheers!
This might be the best kingdom rush RUclips video,I really like the last part after you reviewed the heroes I hope you do what you like on RUclips in the future
Such hard work and dedication. You’re most likely or definitely a legend in the KR community. I came back a few weeks ago to playing these KR games years after my first time playing KR on flash as a child.
Yeah, enemies in general are just not as tough individually in Frontiers. In the KR1 Elite Stages, you have Swamp Things, Forest Trolls, Troll Breakers, Pillagers, and even Gulaemons - basically every stage has an enemy worth instakilling. But in Frontiers, instakills are less big of a deal. So Sha'tra's Abduction is not as valuable compared to Hacksaw's instakill.
@@Voduke789 After watching 4 hours of this video. I never would guessed that hacksaw was top-tier hero in kingdom rush 1. I always used Ice queen girl. Ignus also surprised me, I didn't think he would be top-tier. he felt like using worse Oni but micro does make sense that he could be better, though it feels like a lot of micro for not much more output than just playing ice queen.
@@dodang_9147 elora actually is number 1 imo bc her slows/freeze add damage from towers (specifically teslas) in a way that isn’t mentioned in the video. She just dominates more than ignus in a way that I think most players can feel while playing the game, even if ignus is individually doing more damage.
@@Glitch47278 she is #1 in kingdom 1. but she is not #1 across entire series. If you could use kingdom vengeance hero in kingdom rush 1, you'd practically win every level with like
One small correction: Eiskalt does not have to be over the path to use Avalanche. It works even if he is off to the side, he just flings it onto the path.
I've never seen anything more beautiful than all the nicknames for the Chonkinator. I also deeply appreciate the pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis reference (yes i can spell that without looking it up).
@@Voduke789 i first watched the whole video in one stretch... then downloaded it. Took around 20mins maybe. I too am sort of a KR veteran. Though I am not as good as you. Loved this video thoroughly. 😊
I watched most of the whole video and i must say the effort put in this video is insane. I cant believe i had fun watching a 4 hour video with no boring moments. Amazing analysis on heroes and sooo much usefull information is superb. I'll always remember this video because its the best hero tier list in kingdom rush series. Thank you.
Now this is what I call a channel magnus opus, this just oozes quality and dedication and love for the game. This also made me love the game even more than before. Thanks dude
*IOS vez'nan also has the problem of his demon not dealing true damage, instead inflicting physical damage in melee and magic in ranged, additionally, magic shackles only deals 30 damage instead of 36, and soul burn only takes into account the maximum hp of enemies and not their remaining health, which is probably more important than his skills' overlapping effects, unless this was fixed and I didn't notice, which makes IOS Vez'nan inferior still.
Thank you for your insane amount of dedication to the franchise! I've played these games since i was like 11 and still love all of them. You deserve every bit of praise you get.
Since I played Flash, most of these heroes I never knew what they could do, only saw them in the background when choosing a hero or upgrading one. Mirage was ironically top tier for me. Cronan to me was a hero that can’t do any damage and was too complicated to use.
I prefer rangers over walls anyway, I hate that the most beloved heroes are the ones that just get stuck onto the entrance as the player calls it a day
I like that even though the ios changes don’t affect the rankings you still mentioned them for iOS players to learn from, thank you for this incredible behemoth of a video
"Oh you're a kingdom rush player? Rank every hero!"
"Voduke: Ok sure!"
**makes the video**
"Oh you're a kingdom rush expert? Rank every enemy!"
Blacksure definitely the lowest tier for being an ass
@@PolishGod1234 yes
Towers: sad building noises
Blacksurges and dune terrors are in S tier for annoyingness
@@kaiserquasar3178 and Bluegales and their shitty clouds
Despite learning that my favorite heroes are literal garbage, I really enjoyed listening to the details of each hero and seeing what makes them viable in combat.
I’m glad! I think the mathematically weaker heroes end up being more fun anyways because you have to put in more work to make them better!
My favorite is Saitam.. so I'm right there with you my dude.
I feel ya
@@Yuni-is-Schrodingers-Fox Kutsao
My favorite hero is bonehart, so idk what to say here bcs I didn't even finished the video yet
edit: good
11:11 #57 BOLIN FARSLAYER
(KINGDOM RUSH)
13:45 #56 ALLERIA SWIFTWIND
(KINGDOM RUSH)
16:34 #55 MIRAGE
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
19:43 #54 NIVUS
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
24:49 #53 CRONAN
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
28:40 #52 VERUK
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
30:39 #51 KUTSAO
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
36:31 #50 TRAMIN
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
39:33 #49 MALIK HAMMERFURY
(KINGDOM RUSH)
42:55 #48 DIERDRE
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
46:30 #47 JIGOU
(KINGDOM RUSH VENGEANCE)
49:35 #46 KARKINOS
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
55:11 #45 PRINCE DENAS
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
1:01:31 #44 XIN
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
1:07:03 #43 RAZZ&RAGS
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
1:11:23 #42 GRAWL
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
1:16:04 #41 THOR
(KINGDOM RUSH)
1:18:14 #40 BRUCE
(KINGDOM RUSH ORIGINS)
1:21:50 #39 SAITSM
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
1:26:18 #38 LILTH
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
1:33:30 #37 INGVAR BEARCLAW
(KINGDOM RUSH)
1:40:08 #36 JUN’PAI
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
1:44:35 #35 KING DENAS
(KINGDOM RUSH)
1:49:12 #34 ASRA
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
1:52:35 #33 MAGNUS SPELLBANE
(KINGDOM RUSH)
1:57:34 #32 MARGOSA
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
2:01:23 #31 OLOCH
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
2:05:01 #30 ASHBITE
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
2:09:21 #29 BRAVEBARK
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
2:14:30 #28 ERIDAN
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
2:17:47 #27 ARIVAN
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
2:20:36 #26 FAUSTUS
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
2:27:11 #25 MORTEMIS
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
2:30:14 #24 JACK O’LANTERN
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
2:32:55 #23 DANTE
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
2:37:59 #22 SHA’TRA
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS & IRON MARINES)
2:42:07 #21 DOOM TANK SG-11
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
2:46:51 #20 KAHZ
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
2:51:52 #19 HACKSAW
(KINGDOM RUSH)
2:54:26 #18 CAPTAIN BLACKTHORNE
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
2:57:53 #17 LYNN
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
3:02:47 #16 SIR GERALD LIGHTBRINGER
(KINGDOM RUSH)
3:07:44 #15 ONI
(KINGDOM RUSH)
3:11:00 #14 REG’SON
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
3:15:46 #13 BERESAD
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
3:21:51 #12 ALRIC
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
3:25:59 #11 VEZ’NAN
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
3:32:52 #10 CATHA
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
3:38:01 #9 ELORA WINTERSONG
(KINGDOM RUSH)
3:41:36 #8 PHOENIX
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
3:49:48 #7 IGNUS
(KINGDOM RUSH)
3:53:16 #6 BRUXA
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
3:58:34 #5 DURAX
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
4:06:31 #4 WILBUR
(KINGDOM RUSH: ORIGINS)
4:13:52 #3 MURGLUN
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
4:17:49 #2 BONE HEART
(KINGDOM RUSH: FRONTIERS)
4:28:18 #1 EISKALT
(KINGDOM RUSH: VENGEANCE)
All together this took me 3 hours 44 mins to do
+14 mins +4 mins
Oh and I watched all of this video in one sitting. This is like my 3rd or 5th sitting
Thank you, this helped me a lot.
@@Kai_Squared yeee
Thanks dude
Voduke can you pin this comment please?
Does make me wonder where Ten Shi would land on this list...
3:58:36 Fun fact: the line "I am the one that knocks" is a reference to a line in Braking Bad, witch emplies that the cristal that Durax is actualy made out of BLUE CRISTALISED METH
Mr White let's make a Durax clone.
*Happy dean norris face*
replace A with E
Breaking*
which implies*
crystalized*
Omg
4 hours and 41 seconds? I literally thought it was a recording of a youtube stream or something lol. Incredible work man, insta-liked for the amount of effort put into this and I'm sure that it's accurate and not randomly placed as well, definately deserves a lot.
4 hours and 41 _minutes_
@@ashtonlu9757 bruh
I wouldn't know, i'm the boi who goes between gerald, hammerfury and alleria, because idk which one to use, well imma stop doing that now lol
Honestly I feel the exact opposite. 4 hours for what could be a 4 min video?
@@DaringCreative not with So much detail
"He's been walking the whole time I've been talking."
Now that's some fine poetry.
He has a gift for it.
Malik will destroy voduke once he faces him
If he can catch voduke
Interresting fact: If Dante gets eaten by a parasite and dies, he doesn't goes back in ghost form. Instead, he just dies and come back like any other heroes
29:06 "His effectiveness is highly dependent on the damage enemies can deal"
That actually makes a TON of sense and makes it clear why people don't like Veruk even though I believed he was solid for the main campaign. Enemies are generally weaker and don't deal as much damage in most main campaign level, so Veruk was surprisingly solid for a free hero considering his weaknesses didn't make nearly as big of an impact in those cases, including on Veteran.
2:46:50 Full agreement, Khaz is underrated. He feels like if Ironhide dumped a bunch of unused ideas into one bonus hero... in a great way. He offers a lot of unusual if not unique abilities that other heroes don't offer, while having little glaring weaknesses. Favorite hero alongside Dante.
Dante a🐐
Oh hi ShyGuyMask!You don't know me but i love your vids!
Oh hi pvz guy
Veruk is really underrated in that regard, I've defended him from haters for a long time, just cuz they never used veruk in the earlier stages of the main campain
@@robbert1822 lol
Alric is broken and op for a free hero tbh, dude's a walking barracks and can go toe to toe with heavy hitting enemies, not to mention his broken flury skill
Bruxa is the other free hero, the "free hero weak" doesn't apply to frontiers.
What about mirage?
@@darkspyro1634 mirage is weak af but nivus is right behind her, so she only barely qualifies as the weakest frontiers hero. Cronan is also weak but heroes like kutsao and grawl aren't much better so free heroes in frontiers on average aren't weaker than paid heroes.
@@Wandusia55 i suppose mirage is just to stall enemies from getting through.
@@darkspyro1634 she does a bad job at that too
Eridan: The elf archer. "Oh so hes gonna be fragile right? Right??"
*Highest effective HP in the game, and extremely fast healing*
nope, 7k+ EHP for Gerald
@@AnimeVersePrologue Gerald is not in that game...
Eridan is the highest effective HP in the game, KR:Origins
1:01:22 just leaving a timestamp to know where I left off
3:18:39 leaving a second timestamp to watch it later
I feel you.
Imagine not watching the entire video in one sitting.
Imagine
Friendly reminder for you to finish the video if you havent
I’m gonna do this too bro
3:49:47 I love how he calls Ignus a different name every time
it’s so funny
Dude I didn't even notice I thank you for this comment so we can all appreciate this.
chonk
What should I say about this? Perfection. Nothing can get through. The peak of Kingdom Rush. You have made a tier list that i desire to see. You've pinned out everything: fairness, no baised opinions, show full potential of the heroes, variable player. It's perfect. Thank you Voduke, i can happily rest now.
Yes!!
Nah, we still have to poke at all the minute errors.
Show full potential of denas? : / nobodies perfect but this was a straight up hate attack + personal bias on denas review bro.
@@raskult he's basing his list on analytics and stats, you can like denas but that doesn't make him good by default, I like mirage and alleria so should I hate bomb the community cause they think they're trash?
BEST HERO FROM EACH KINGDOM RUSH EDITION⚔
Kingdom Rush: Ignus🔥 3:49:47
Kingdom Rush Frontiers: Bonehart🦴 4:17:48
Kingdom Rush Origins: Wilbur💣 4:06:30
Kingdom Rush Vengeance: Eiskalt🥶 4:28:17
Nah best hero in kr1 is oni
@@vuquangthanh4244the most enjoyable to play
@@vuquangthanh4244 agreed and ice girl too( l forgot her name)
Oh, one more thing: I remember that when Bruxa was introduced into the game (I was playing on Android back then), the 5 enemies limit on the doll was not a thing, so it was insane against savages and saurians.
It was insane against EVERYTHING! Using it on Zombies in any of the Shadowmoon stages felt like an early version of Beresad's hero spell because of how strong it was.
@@Voduke789 yeah right, forgot about Zombies
Remember that, it was insanely good.
God I love RUclipsrs like you who give so much effort into their videos, despite knowing that it will reach very few people due to how niche the topic is. Finding videos like these is always a gem on RUclips.
The devs should make YOU a hero in the next Kingdom Rush game! Thanks for this huge contribution to the community!!
spoiler alert they didn't 😪
I read this as me/us, the reader, as in "custom hero"
I think by this point I've spent over an accumulative 3 days of my life watching this video. I don't care if some of the placements and circumstances have changed since it came out - this is an amazing video on its own.
@@AlonKoven Thank you. Considering how much Vengeance has changed, this means a lot.
What a magnum opus of a video. The detail is so exceptional and learning about how to use certain heroes is very interesting. The editing and jokes are entertaining as well so it really feels like you tried very, VERY hard on this video which I know most certainly you did. This is one of the few videos that really don’t get stale for me, and I am so glad it was something with so much passion put into it. Actually a top 10, maybe even top 5 video I have seen on RUclips (which is basically where I watch all my videos so all-time). What a masterpiece of a video. Thank you for the excellent experience, Voduke and I am still trying to watch whatever you put out!
So true
Finally made it all the way through, took me 2 weeks of on and off watching, but I made it.
This topic initially didn't interest me, which is why I didn't watch it before recently, but I have to say the video grabbed my interest as I went along, and I really enjoyed it by the end.
As someone who often spends one month pr. video, for a channel that will probably never grow into something big, and often doubts if it's even worth it in the end, since I know those viewers, I gather will most likely not carry over, should I decide to focus on something else than Ironhide's games, I admire your courage to spend this long on a project, for the same small community. Even if making videos is what we love, there is still so much tedious work involved with bigger projects, which makes you wonder if it's even worth your time. I have been doing RUclips for 5 years of my life, and it was only recently, at the end of last year, where I started to give it my all, when I started to get the ball rolling, granted I was at the right place at the right time, with my first video on Vengeance, but had I not put so much care into the video, I don't think it would have taken off like it did. So never settle for something worse, when you could do better, it improves your craft through challenging yourself, and even if the process seems frustrating at times, and it feels like it fills up the majority of the time spent, there is also a lot of moments of enjoyment and pride that goes into creating videos. Whenever I feel tiresome about parts of the process, I always think about how many thousands of people who have watched my videos, even dough I am a small channel, I still gain a lot of views for my size, so even though all of those people will not be coming back to my channel, I still provided so many people with entertainment for 20 min, just like I ultimately enjoyed making that happen.
This is, by far, some of the cleanest and most enjoyable content I’ve ever listened to on RUclips. I literally stumbled across it and have been listening to it on my bike ride to and from work and whenever I had free time. Thank you
This video is a masterpiece in the most literal meaning of the word. The amount of research is insane, the accuracy and depth of the picks and explanations for them go farther than I could have ever hoped, and it's so entertaining that I intended to play this in the background but watched in fullscreen the whole way through.
Amazing job. I hope your pillow is forever cold on both sides, and every pencil you sharpen has a perfect point.
I find it funny how young Ashbite is almost broken compared to actual Ashbite
I hope you made some good money from this video and all the ads I saw while watching this in its entirety. I hope you continue to make things you are proud of and live an honest life like you said. Great work, wishing you all the best
mom: its your bed time go to sleep
me: ok just one more video
LOL
mom 1 hour later: WHAT ARE YOU DOING UP AT THIS TIME?
mom, let me finish this video, only 3 hours left
I just finished your video and I want to say that it was wonderful and well done. I appreciate all the details you included about the heroes and the memes you added. I can tell that a lot of effort went into this video. I appreciate the ending monologue a great deal as well. Thank you for this gem!
Please copy this and put it in the description for it to be chapters.
Also AMAZING WORK and you're so underrated.
00:00 Introduction
11:11 57 - Bolin Farslayer
13:46 56 - Alleria Swiftwind
16:35 55 - Mirage
19:44 54 - Nivus
24:50 53 - Cronan
28:40 52 - Veruk
30:38 51 - Kutsao
36:32 50 - Tramin
39:34 49 - Malik Hammerfury
42:56 48 - Dierdre
46:30 47 - Jigou
49:35 46 - Karkinos
55:12 45 - Prince Denas
1:01:30 44 - Xin
1:07:03 43 - Razz & Rags
1:11:24 42 - Grawl
1:16:04 41 - Thor
1:18:13 40 - Bruce
1:21:50 39 - Saitam
1:26:19 38 - Lilith
1:33:30 37 - Ingvar Bearclaw
1:40:08 36 - Jun'pai
1:44:36 35 - King Denas
1:49:13 34 - Asra
1:52:35 33 - Magnus Spellbane
1:57:34 32 - Margosa
2:01:24 31 - Oloch
2:05:01 30 - Ashbite
2:09:21 29 - Bravebark
2:14:30 28 - Eridan
2:17:47 27 - Arivan
2:20:36 26 - Faustus
2:27:11 25 - Mortemis
2:30:14 24 - Jack O'Lantern
2:32:54 23 - Dante (Favorite & Fun Hero)
2:37:59 22 - Sha'Tra
2:42:07 21 - Doom Tank SG-11
2:46:51 20 - Kahz
2:51:52 19 - Hacksaw
2:54:26 18 - Captain Blackthrone
2:57:54 17 - Lynn
3:02:48 16 - Sir. Gerald Lightseeker
3:07:44 15 - Oni
3:10:59 14 - Reg'son
3:15:46 13 - Beresad
3:21:51 12 - Alric
3:25:59 11 - Vez'nan
3:32:52 10 - Catha
3:38:00 9 - Elora Wintersong
3:41:36 8 - Phoenix
3:49:48 7 - Ignus
3:53:16 6 - Bruxa
3:58:34 5 - Durax
4:06:31 4 - Wilbur
4:13:52 3 - Murglun
4:17:48 2- Boneheart
4:28:18 1 - Eiskalt
4:37:09 Conclusion
Mmlh already made this, and he didn’t spoil which heroes are in which places!
True but they would have to skip around to see the names. Otherwise they would be line breakers. Unless you want the views/watch time I understand.
@@willfur3328 I forgot to say thank you for making all the timestamps. I'll add them to the video itself - once I figure out how!
@@Voduke789 Oh it’s simple. Just add it to the description. Copy and paste. Boom Done!
The timestamp for Dante is wrong
Wow. I'm not even finished yet, but from what I've seen, you not only know your shit, you know it *really* well. Every second, I can feel the sheer amount of effort that you've put in this video. Hats off to you man, I've got mad respect for you and this well developed video. I probably won't ever see another tier list as high-quality as this.
Quarter million. Be back for half million.
Get ready!!!
Just 18k left!!
It is done.
Be back
Get back goddammit!
I really like how none of the 10 worst heroes is from origins, this really shows how the heroes in this game are te best ones.
Yeah even the free heroes are good. Razz and rags has so much stalling and blocking potential, Catha has so much stunning and blocking, eridan has good DPS and is really tough to kill, Lilith has crap abilities but can hold her own in a fight thanks to her base stats, and Arivan is a glass cannon
@@firefiy8789 yes, it is the most balanced game by far (when talking about heroes)
Def agree, though it's got to have the most forgettable towers in the series so far imo
Last tier archer towers all use bows- imagine if atleast one of them atleast had spears instead of bows and arrows (I know it's a stereotype but it's meh in design), the rock throwing artillery (forgot the names already) should throw the rocks more like he's actually throwing the rocks and not just the vanilla bomb throw animation from KR1, and the tree tower should atleast made use of it's roots like he stabs his hands on the ground and roots sprout on the target direction, the barracks are interesting but the blade dancers feels like a reskin of the assassins fron frontiers, the mages are good but again forgettable, wild magus feels like archer towers but they did magic damage- the high elven mage on the other hand has a cool gimmick with the sentinels
AGAIN, IT'S JUST MY OPINION
@@mateovasconcelos8765 pheonix:??wilbur:??
And five heroes from that game make it in the top 11
In my being a Kingdom Rush Fan for more than a decade now, never have I seen someone do so much research and put such a staggering amount of effort into a project on this series. Salute to you Voduke!
This guy makes me feel I have been playing the game in the stupidest way possible, so professional and so in depth, I so appreciate the obvious effort put into making such videos, thank you so much for that!
I really like Ten'shi, secondary meteor rain, becomes invincible periodically, has aoe damage and stun while invincible
Overall pretty decent hero imo
Ten'shi changes everything. He is a real hero.
His only issue is his AI and the lack of a constant/instant ability, other than his true dmg attacks.
That outro tho...
Great video, man, great video. I've never seen this much effort put into a ranking video for any game, ever!
Even though I watched it in 2x speed, I still got all the info across. I really can’t believe that 7 years ago watching my dad playing pandemonium on his tiny phone would lead me to beating all levels on veteran in all the games. I’m not sure why, but I always thought that KR was a not very popular game that not very many people knew about, though it was quite a large part of my childhood. This video really reminds me that there is much more to this community other than me and my dad, and that legends like you are willing to take literal months to inform the community about its contents. Mad respect man ❤
It took you talking about Eiskalt for like 15 minutes for me to realize his name was a pun on "ice cold."
The conclusion was surprisingly emotional. Congrats on finishing such a huge project!
Also loved the chonk names, awesome vid, very pog.
"Eiskalt" is also the German word for "freezing." Thank you for everything you’ve said; it means a lot!
@@Voduke789 Oh damn, I didn't know that.
@@Voduke789it also sounds like the words “Ice Cult” and given that you play as the villain in Vengeance and dragons are often worshipped, it fits him very well.
This is IMO one of the best videos on the internet period, i rewatch this a few times each year it's so good dude
Such effort put into this. I wonder how long this took you? Well done! I figured that you would put Eiskalt at number 1. Although I have yet to play KRV, he seems to be incredibly OP, more than Bonehart.
It took him over a year.
Dont u find phoenix more op than bonehart?
@@arthurcatisani mmm...she is great, but more OP than Bonehart is a bit of a reach for me.
I keep coming back to this video. It is so well made, from the introduction to the reasonings and research behind it to the jokes. I've seen you comment that you intend to add the alliance heroes and remake the list eventually and i can't wait to see it.
same,im glad to hear that
Came here from Morgan's Beard, stayed here for the quality, great video!
May the beard bless you and keep you. May it’s fluff shine upon you.
I come back to this video once in a while. I'm not even a fan of kingdom rush i simply downloaded it on my phone to play something while going to work a few years ago. But your passion, your determination, the effort you put into this video is trully inspiring. We all have our own communities and i really wish there was a person as awesome as you in mine. It's very entertaining to watch you explain thess heroes like some kind of scientist.
Thank you, that means so much to me! Which community is yours that you’re referring to?
@@Voduke789 I really like a little surviving game called don't starve together. The debate on which character is the best has been going for over a decade without a clear answer. Noone has ever put this much effort into testing characters to have a definiteve ranking on the same level as in this video.
Also I didn't mention it but I love the puns related to every hero at the end of their discussion. I love puns.
@@gi-go8575 Well, then you've probably didn't watch a lot of DST content or played the game for a very long time. The question of who is the best character in that game was always quite easy to answer, since a good player can offset the other tasks different characters can do.
For a while, it was Wolfgang, simply because of his damage. Currently its Wanda, because outside of damage and tankiness she also has a ton of utility. Though I don't know how much the talent trees changed.
DST overall greatly suffers from nonsensical character design too, the most prominent example of which is Walter
@@tamas9554 nuh uh
@@gi-go8575 Feel free to disagree, but that won't change the facts :/
What you should've said at the end of the Lilith section: Everybody has demons, and Lilith's is gambling
😂
The conclusion really hit me for some reason, the effort you put into this is insane and it deserves a million views. My mind was blown when i first saw how detailed this was, and to see that it lasts for more than 4 hours. I hope you're happy with the result, thank you so much for this!!!
Im glad you gave reg'son the credit he deserves. Mans an absolute unit and its always hilarious to watch him just invalidate boomshrooms lol
This really is a magnum opus. And with that talk at the end, it really drives the point home and the realization of how much must have gone into making this. I salute you, having this much dedication and putting so much effort into a thing is truly amazing and I'm grateful for your long work which has kept me entertained for several days and took me back to the glorious days of playing Kingdom Rush.
Your voice is perfect for this kind of videos. I think that this deserves at least 5 million views, but even that couldn't compensate all of the time and effort put into this list. Shame that kingdom rush saga isn't very popular
The ragdolls from Razz & Rags have really good stats but fundamentally just can’t get that much done in the short time before they get turned back into enemies. They should 100% have a mapwide aggro range to allow them to automatically seek out the closest enemies. This allows them to deal and take more damage in far more situations, and allows you to use the hero spell far more liberally. Even the worst outcome of the ragdolls not fighting anything occurs would still mean that the ragdolls travelled up the path for 8 seconds, effectively buying you more time to deal damage to that enemy This one change would solve so many of the fundamental problems with this hero, and it alone would likely catapult Razz & Rags into the top half of all KR heroes
Actually watched it all the way through. Didn't regret a second. I loved the narration, the infomation and even the jokes and memes even tho I'm not really into that. I can't imagine myself actively watching an almost 5 hours video, even if not in one go, but you managed it. You did an amazing job and should be proud of yourself.
Also, the few people that disliked probably mained Bolin and thought he was OP lol
57 Bolin Farslayer 11:11
56 Alleria Swiftwind 13:45
55 Mirage 16:34
54 Nivus 19:44
53 Cronan 24:49
52 Veruk 28:40
51 Kutsao 30:39
50 Tramin 36:32
49 Malik Hammerfury 39:33
48 Dierdre 42:55
47 Jigou 46:30
46 Karkinos 49:35
45 Prince Denas 55:12
44 Xin 1:01:31
43 Razz & Rags 1:07:03
42 Grawl 1:11:24
41 Thor 1:16:05
40 Bruce 1:18:14
39 Saitam 1:21:50
38 Lilith 1:26:18
37 Ingvar Bearclaw 1:33:30
36 Jun'Pai 1:40:08
35 King Denas 1:44:35
34 Asra 1:49:11
33 Magnus Spellbane 1:52:33
32 Margosa 1:57:33
31 Oloch 2:01:22
30 Grawl 2:05:00
29 Bravebark 2:09:20
28 Eridan 2:14:26
27 Arivan 2:17:45
26 Faustus 2:20:35
25 Mortemis 2:27:10
24 Jack O'Lantern 2:30:14
23 Dante 2:32:54
22 Sha'Tra 2:37:58
21 Doom Tank SG-11 2:42:06
20 Kahz 2:46:50
19 Hacksaw 2:51:51
18 Captain Blackthorne 2:54:25
17 Lynn 2:57:53
16 Sir. Gerald Lightseeker 3:02:46
15 (T)oni 3:07:44
14 Reg'Son 3:11:00
13 Beresad 3:15:45
12 Alric 3:21:50
11 Vez'Nan 3:25:59
10 Catha 3:32:52
9 Elora Wintersong 3:38:00
8 Pheonix 3:41:37
7 Ignus 3:49:48
6 Bruxa 3:53:16
5 Durax 3:58:34
4 Wilbur 4:06:31
3 Murglin 4:13:41
2 Bonehart 4:17:48
1 Eiskalt 4:28:18
I know he has timestamps in the description but I wanted to leave this here for 2 reasons
1:Some people do not read and will miss that and
2:Maybe some people are looking for a specific champ and so this might help out
Obrigado
Wow, the effort you put into this is insane! Congrats on finishing your project!
EDIT: Just finished the video, it was truly legendary. Not many people can say that they created something that is the best, the most extensive material on any topic, and you achieved it.
I agree 100%
I just want to leave a comment to admire the effort and dedication. KR's fanbase might not be big, but the fact that it has fans like you sir speaks its uniqueness like no other.
I came here from the real morgan. Props to you, dude. Crazy video.
Excellent work my son
3:02:33 the best meme of this entire video, well done my good sir!
xD
Am I the only that keeps coming back to this video for absolutly no reason?
No
A beautiful list, ive watched this twice now, and while its disheartening to learn of Razz & Rags low placment (Especially since the Grosh update vid lol) its so captivating and interesting to learn on this stuff. You put in tons of effort, and you deserve way more subs.
After God wrote the Bible through people, He wrote this through you.
The chonk names omg😍😭😂😂
Very kingdom. So rush. Much gaming. Wow.
no replys lol
Chonk
Chonkilicious
Chonknifescent
The chonk
This video is so perfect! I'm such a nerd for stats and I've always wondered what other people think about heroes in the kr series.
Dude I know this is 2 years ago and there are some few heroes got released after this but I can say that this video is one of the best I've ever watched on all of youtube
This is an epic insight into the KR franchise and the heroes. Thank you! 👍🏾
Poor Bolin Farslayer. I figured he would be ranked low on the list. Another interesting thing is what you said about Alleria's wildcat. I cannot believe that at lvl 10 on iOS, it only does 2-4 damage. Also, on my system, her attack damage at lvl 10 is different. She does 15-26 and not 17-25. Not sure if you have that, but it is certainly on mine.
Bolin Fartsayer*
One of the best videos on youtube I've seen and the amount of work put into this is amazing, great job!
2:27:06 This is especially true, given that Faustus becomes Bonehart lol
I've been rewatching this video every few months ever since it came out. Certified masterpiece!
This is the best tier list I’ve ever seen. This was amazing and seriously INCREDIBLE how much effort you put into it. Kingdom Rush is honestly one of my favorite game series ever. Thanks for all the content!!
Gotta respect this dude for not slapping six million midroll ads on this, it's clear this video was this dude's passion project or some shit like that. Cheers!
This might be the best kingdom rush RUclips video,I really like the last part after you reviewed the heroes I hope you do what you like on RUclips in the future
That conclusion hits hard my dude. I'm 23 right now and still feel the same way, also just want to thank you for making such a helpful video
I turned 24 just 3 months ago but I think the problems have been solved since then. It gets easier. :)
Oh my gosh! This video is so long 😂... yet im watching all of it. Amazing job!
this is one of the longest videos ive seen and i didnt expect it to be a heroes tier list. nice job
Glad to see my boy Sir Gerald Memeseeker this high up on the list.
Holy shit 4+ hours!?! Good work man. Might be a while until I have watched the entire video lol
The effort is immaculate. I'm going to save this for later! Imma watch it after exams
Such hard work and dedication. You’re most likely or definitely a legend in the KR community. I came back a few weeks ago to playing these KR games years after my first time playing KR on flash as a child.
A 4 hours video and no ads... He is definitly the Messiah.
As a kingdom rush lover and fan since many years back, I appreciate this detailed work dearly, Well done Voduke!
What a crazy work , what a masterpiece. Respect bro o7.
2:53:12
Admittedly, abominations are nerfed in frontiers and have significantly less health than in KR1
Yeah, enemies in general are just not as tough individually in Frontiers. In the KR1 Elite Stages, you have Swamp Things, Forest Trolls, Troll Breakers, Pillagers, and even Gulaemons - basically every stage has an enemy worth instakilling. But in Frontiers, instakills are less big of a deal. So Sha'tra's Abduction is not as valuable compared to Hacksaw's instakill.
@@Voduke789 After watching 4 hours of this video. I never would guessed that hacksaw was top-tier hero in kingdom rush 1. I always used Ice queen girl. Ignus also surprised me, I didn't think he would be top-tier. he felt like using worse Oni but micro does make sense that he could be better, though it feels like a lot of micro for not much more output than just playing ice queen.
@@dodang_9147 elora actually is number 1 imo bc her slows/freeze add damage from towers (specifically teslas) in a way that isn’t mentioned in the video. She just dominates more than ignus in a way that I think most players can feel while playing the game, even if ignus is individually doing more damage.
@@Glitch47278 she is #1 in kingdom 1. but she is not #1 across entire series. If you could use kingdom vengeance hero in kingdom rush 1, you'd practically win every level with like
@@dodang_9147 yeah I meant she’s number 1 in KR1, she’s listed in 2nd place for that game I believe
This is one of the single greatest RUclips videos I’ve ever watched 🙏❤
59:00 hope your dog is okay and amazing list man 👍
I've never been so committed to a youtube video before this one, 4+ hours went flying like nothing. Thanks for the amazing insight of the Heroes!
That's wonderful to hear. I'm glad you got so much out of it!
One small correction: Eiskalt does not have to be over the path to use Avalanche. It works even if he is off to the side, he just flings it onto the path.
This is the ultimate video to listen to in the background while playing Kingdom Rush. Thank you so much for all your hard work!
I've never seen anything more beautiful than all the nicknames for the Chonkinator. I also deeply appreciate the pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis reference (yes i can spell that without looking it up).
This video is a joy to watch. Your time was well spent :D
This is a freaking amazing work of pure dedication. I downloaded this video. Thanks a lot.
Thank you, I appreciate it. How long did the download take?
@@Voduke789 i first watched the whole video in one stretch... then downloaded it. Took around 20mins maybe. I too am sort of a KR veteran. Though I am not as good as you. Loved this video thoroughly. 😊
Outstanding work! I have played more hours than i care to admit and yet I learned A TON from this. Really appreciate the time you put in!
Almost 5 hours of a video. That's insane bro. Big respect 👍👍
Thanks, I really appreciate that!
I watched most of the whole video and i must say the effort put in this video is insane. I cant believe i had fun watching a 4 hour video with no boring moments. Amazing analysis on heroes and sooo much usefull information is superb. I'll always remember this video because its the best hero tier list in kingdom rush series. Thank you.
Thank you Sniper Monkey. You must have an eye for quality, so this is an honor.
I just finished watching the entire video, and Voduke, just know that this is (in my opinion) the single greatest Kingdom rush video on RUclips!
Now this is what I call a channel magnus opus, this just oozes quality and dedication and love for the game. This also made me love the game even more than before. Thanks dude
Thank YOU for that wonderful comment!
*IOS vez'nan also has the problem of his demon not dealing true damage, instead inflicting physical damage in melee and magic in ranged, additionally, magic shackles only deals 30 damage instead of 36, and soul burn only takes into account the maximum hp of enemies and not their remaining health, which is probably more important than his skills' overlapping effects, unless this was fixed and I didn't notice, which makes IOS Vez'nan inferior still.
That’s still the case, and you’re right that this does make iOS Vez'nan weaker objectively.
This is one of the best youtube videos ever made!
Just when i think kingdom rush isn't deeply covered anywhere, I stumble upon this
A true Masterwork ngl , defo worth the effort
Thank you very much!
Literally the best video in existence about Kingdom Rush. I have always wanted to know the very strongest heroes in whole series. Thank you
Thank you for your insane amount of dedication to the franchise! I've played these games since i was like 11 and still love all of them. You deserve every bit of praise you get.
Same here! I appreciate your thanks.
Since I played Flash, most of these heroes I never knew what they could do, only saw them in the background when choosing a hero or upgrading one.
Mirage was ironically top tier for me. Cronan to me was a hero that can’t do any damage and was too complicated to use.
I prefer rangers over walls anyway, I hate that the most beloved heroes are the ones that just get stuck onto the entrance as the player calls it a day
@@gratefulcranegames i love rangers, but you've got to be the saltiest KR player I've ever seen
I like that even though the ios changes don’t affect the rankings you still mentioned them for iOS players to learn from, thank you for this incredible behemoth of a video
4 hours and 40 minutes, respect for making a video that long. It's a shame I don't have the time to watch it right now.
Its actually unreal how much work you put into this. Great video
This video is so good I'm having my second watch now. It's like a marathon, first this, then the Dianyun review and then Ten'Shi's