It's horrible, Chopin doesn't need a cocomposer, he knew what he was doing. If a pianist doesn't like what Chopin wrote, it's easy: write your music and play it as you wish.
Bit late to this post, but: to me, it's Moriz Rosenthal for op. 10 No. 1 now and forever. The degree of control he exhibits is simply breathtaking, especially where he plays pianissimo.
I didn't know Rosa Tamarkina and it's a revelation. Just sublime! while Trifonov brings us in an other universe. Richter amazing as usual. Thanks for sharing!
To me she's wooden, unimaginative and rather on the slow side. The etude's surname is "Butterfly" - but with Tamarkima, I rather picture a cute and self-satisfied baby hippo waddling through the flowerbed... 🦛
Many thanks ADGO for this most informative compilation. With pleasure I watched Vitaly Margulis playing..what a great virtuoso he was. ;-) But let me tell you one thing: I am not able to get in all these different pianists and to listen to so many different interpretations. Actually I prefer dealing with the music itself and looking into the score. It's not so distracting for me! Nonetheless an excellent footage, thank you once again!
Very interesting video, new discoveries, among them a stunning Rudol Kerer, many thanks! But why on earth want (obviously many) chinese pianists always break the speed record? Seems like this is their main goal... The tune was almost fully lost with HJ Lim.
Ive never seen Bozhanov before. That man is an entertainer! He reminds me of Keith Jarrett in the sense he seems to be hearing something unlike what he's playing. It's like he can't believe the sound coming from the piano.
Composers have written and musicians have played pain and love and sadness and joy, but who has composed or played vitriol and what could it sound like? So what is the musical or emotional value of some of those comments? Where is the understanding of the "why" of the performers? If you have seen Richter's profound life-changing sadness ("my mother left and was to fetch me later; she didn't come for four years"), you can see and understand why he plays as he does, and understand why each pianist responds differently to Chopin's own emotions, and how it is the combination that makes each performance unique. But also, these are etudes, and there is naturally going to be an emphasis on technical skills!
HJ Lim (n°4) is shocking all the frigid puritans. Good job, HJ, let's destroy this army of clowns. (and Tamarkina .... so poetic ... I love this pianist, everytime I am listening to her ..) And Richter ..... when this man decided to play without internal barriers , it was immediately historic ....
10, #4 is a mess -- too fast and sloppy. Slower, cleaner, clearer and more even would be SO much more enjoyable. Loads of missed notes, really uneven volume on notes that should make a smooth line. And the audienve certainly didn't erupt into applause at the end either ...
Also, nice to see Gavrilov. I wasn't wowed by the performance, but his Goldberg Variations stand out to me as delicious (along with Nikolaeva and Tipo).
For Chopin: 1. Vladimir Horowitz, who best expressed the true inner fire and poetry of Chopin. 2. Sviatoslav Richter, who best expressed the dazzle and wonderment of Chopin.
Richter was always looking upward, to the ceiling, and around , Richter was. Probably was asked to do so by the camera person since the video performance looked like it was without an audience. By looking up ward and seemingly appearing to be trying to find the Musical muse to keep him inspired, the camera person probably believed it would give Richter a different aura as a performer, so I believe that behavior was requested of Richter. Personally, I am not attracted to performers who get their bodies involved in the process of performing on the piano. I prefer those who can control not only their facial features from grimaces, lips pursing, swaying back and forth on the bench as if they were on a boat at sea, but altogether an acting out of the music as if they were compelled to do so. However such is my personal likes and but certainly not to take anything away from an artist's stupendous musical virtuosity or artistry in any video or live recorded performance. This variety of expression is part of our natural human composition and we all have to embrace the uniqueness of each performer as a gift from the ALMIGHTY.
Cziffra might be the closest to thing to Liszt, an incredible pianist. He was just warming up with that Etude :) He had a rough life, was imprisoned and forced to do hard labor. His wrists ligaments were damaged but still continued to perform at the highest level. He frequently played the piano with a large leather wristband to support his wrist.
ZOKOLOV is a stupendous artist. However in this video the sound of his playing must have been removed as all I could see was the video but no music piano sound could be heard.
I was there when he played it at the Chopin competition 2010 in Warsaw, monkey faces yes, but I'll always remember his 3 Chopin Sonatas, old style of playing but I love when someone makes the piano sound alive with all the undertones you never expected existed in Chopin's music.
Bravo pour ce beau travail de comparaison et merci pour le faire partager! Malheureusement le passage avec Grigory Sokolov est inaudible, pourriez-vous s'il-vous-plaît corriger cela?Musicalement vôtre,Jacques
thanks ADGO. Thought that was Richter playing the number 4. Then, to my surprise, I found it was a woman. She's almost as good, but the ending is not clear. ogromnoe spasibo!
Rudolf Kehrer was born in 1923 a year before Lenin died, so there is no way he could have performed before Lenin. He was likely playing someone else in a movie. Maybe Isai Dobrovein. The chap with the moustache was probably playing Maxim Gorky. The woman, Krupskaya, Lenin's wife. My guess is that this is when Lenin and Gorky met in Switzerland during their exile.
The op. 25 recording landscape is quite different from op. 10. While no complete op. 10 set is uniformly at or near the top, Sokolov's op. 25 pretty much dominates the field.
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher I expected nothing because I have never heard of her before. Of course i cannot match your superior wisdom, however that doesn't prevent the fact that you're an ass.
No.11 looks as if he's been reading Francois Couperin, who advised harpsichordists to turn and smirk at the audience every few seconds. No.2 is plainly playing some totally different piece from the soundtrack
haha :) Bozhanov probably read the same Couperin instruction :) I mentioned in the description that I 'cheated' with number 2 -- I couldn't find a video I liked so I overlayed Margulis's audio on a video of him playing something else.
Richter Is a musician he s not playing to win a piano competition . Doesn t have to impress anyone with mere speed. You are listening to the beauy of the music not watching the circus
Well, with the exception of Bozhanov none of these were actually top notch. Trifonov and Sokolov did very well though, and there was some interesting voicing in Margulis' op. 10/2 (but others have done that way better - check Sarah Daneshpour). The rest was a very mixed bag (Cziffra: yikes! and Planté: seriously!?). In all fairness I'm comparing these renditions with recordings without video. But it's hard to believe that these are the best available filmed performances.
Why do you think it's only about the 'best'? For the most part I wanted to choose performances which were interesting and different. Your way of looking at it is both a dead end and too easy to do.
Only Alfred Cortot play Masterpieces the others except Trifanov and Gravilov play studies , the first in the race is always Cziffra the best in speed , excuse me Trifonov and Gravilov
How big were these guys’s hands? How far could they reach with one hand? A 10th? 11th? 12th? Also, how young were they when they started playing? An answer would be greatly appreciated
A truly undiscovered jewel in this reïmagining of Op. 10 #2. Thank you.
Wow, thank you so much for this video. Will have to check out more from HJ Lim and Evgeni Bozhanov
Wonderful collection. Margulis and Bozhanov's performances were my new discoveries and both wonderful.
Wow I have never heard 10/2 played like that, so beautiful
What a wonderfull work the left Hand..
Whats going on in Sokolov's performance? So weird
I play this and I don't if this was the same piece xxd
#2 the chromatic Etude. I loved the voicing he did on that. So refreshing!
It's horrible, Chopin doesn't need a cocomposer, he knew what he was doing. If a pianist doesn't like what Chopin wrote, it's easy: write your music and play it as you wish.
Bit late to this post, but: to me, it's Moriz Rosenthal for op. 10 No. 1 now and forever. The degree of control he exhibits is simply breathtaking, especially where he plays pianissimo.
Quite wonderful, ADGO. Some I didn't like, some blew me away, but I was riveted the entire time. Great job.
Damn, Kerer had to play for Lenin AND Stalin. Talk about a high-stakes audience.
Not talking about this amazing success of notes... I wanted to greet you for posting this incredibly well done video
I didn't know Rosa Tamarkina and it's a revelation. Just sublime! while Trifonov brings us in an other universe. Richter amazing as usual. Thanks for sharing!
To me she's wooden, unimaginative and rather on the slow side. The etude's surname is "Butterfly" - but with Tamarkima, I rather picture a cute and self-satisfied baby hippo waddling through the flowerbed... 🦛
@@Pogouldangeliwitz +++
I was most impressed with the performance of Gyorgy Cziffra, Youri Egorov, Sviatoslav Richter, Rosa Tamarkina, Evgeni Bozhanovx, Rudolf Kerer.
Many thanks ADGO for this most informative compilation. With pleasure I watched Vitaly Margulis playing..what a great virtuoso he was. ;-)
But let me tell you one thing: I am not able to get in all these different pianists and to listen to so many different interpretations. Actually I prefer dealing with the music itself and looking into the score. It's not so distracting for me!
Nonetheless an excellent footage, thank you once again!
Very interesting video, new discoveries, among them a stunning Rudol Kerer, many thanks! But why on earth want (obviously many) chinese pianists always break the speed record? Seems like this is their main goal... The tune was almost fully lost with HJ Lim.
I like the format idea of this video.
The Chopin Etudes are musical creations, not speed vehicles
Я на пример очень доволен хоть на секунду заглянуть в то далекое от нас окно прошлое и спасибо автору что поделились этим сокровищем!
Ive never seen Bozhanov before. That man is an entertainer! He reminds me of Keith Jarrett in the sense he seems to be hearing something unlike what he's playing. It's like he can't believe the sound coming from the piano.
Because music is into the entire body
I like his style too. He has a jazz like approach and it makes the music sound fresh and alive
Wow. Sokolov is electrical in no.8...
Чоза безабразие
Get a load of this! Grigory Sokolov plays Chopin Etude Op.25 No.12 in C minor "Ocean" - Video 1987 ruclips.net/video/jhLunFajgwg/видео.html
... and still is.
@@tretiyinternational7869 Они не имеют в виду электрические, как в «механическом», а скорее в «молнии»
Richter seems like he could drive that piano down the highway just by playing it
Composers have written and musicians have played pain and love and sadness and joy, but who has composed or played vitriol and what could it sound like? So what is the musical or emotional value of some of those comments?
Where is the understanding of the "why" of the performers? If you have seen Richter's profound life-changing sadness ("my mother left and was to fetch me later; she didn't come for four years"), you can see and understand why he plays as he does, and understand why each pianist responds differently to Chopin's own emotions, and how it is the combination that makes each performance unique.
But also, these are etudes, and there is naturally going to be an emphasis on technical skills!
Agreed..your comment on performers how they play or respond to etudes is very impressive..thank you for your insightful view :)
HJ Lim (n°4) is shocking all the frigid puritans. Good job, HJ, let's destroy this army of clowns.
(and Tamarkina .... so poetic ... I love this pianist, everytime I am listening to her ..)
And Richter ..... when this man decided to play without internal barriers , it was immediately historic ....
10, #4 is a mess -- too fast and sloppy. Slower, cleaner, clearer and more even would be SO much more enjoyable. Loads of missed notes, really uneven volume on notes that should make a smooth line. And the audienve certainly didn't erupt into applause at the end either ...
Try listening again, focusing on what she DOES get right, which is nearly everything. It’s live performance. Things happen.
23:29 Vladimir Lenin thinking: “oh yeah, this guy definitely makes the ‘do not execute’ list.”
no 6 was incredibly deep
Also, nice to see Gavrilov. I wasn't wowed by the performance, but his Goldberg Variations stand out to me as delicious (along with Nikolaeva and Tipo).
For Chopin:
1. Vladimir Horowitz, who best expressed the true inner fire and poetry of Chopin.
2. Sviatoslav Richter, who best expressed the dazzle and wonderment of Chopin.
Kerer and Richter are phenomenol.
Спасибо, очень интересное сравнение ! С удовольствием))
19:00 He seldomly looked at the keyboard....no other virtuoso are such confident....
That’s Richter alright.
Richter was always looking upward, to the ceiling, and around , Richter was. Probably was asked to do so by the camera person since the video performance looked like it was without an audience.
By looking up ward and seemingly appearing to be trying to find the Musical muse to keep him inspired, the camera person probably believed it would give Richter a different aura as a performer, so I believe that behavior was requested of Richter.
Personally, I am not attracted to performers who get their bodies involved in the process of performing on the piano. I prefer those who can control not only their facial features from grimaces, lips pursing, swaying back and forth on the bench as if they were on a boat at sea, but altogether an acting out of the music as if they were compelled to do so.
However such is my personal likes and but certainly not to take anything away from an artist's stupendous musical virtuosity or artistry in any video or live recorded performance.
This variety of expression is part of our natural human composition and we all have to embrace the uniqueness of each performer as a gift from the ALMIGHTY.
Cziffra might be the closest to thing to Liszt, an incredible pianist. He was just warming up with that Etude :) He had a rough life, was imprisoned and forced to do hard labor. His wrists ligaments were damaged but still continued to perform at the highest level. He frequently played the piano with a large leather wristband to support his wrist.
Never knew that! When did it happen?
@@limmortale2001when he was a prisoner during WWII.
9:20
Its like she's playing while there's a freakin war going on over her head
My personal favorite though is Cziffra followed by Richter
Dat 10-1 speed is so freaking insane
That was out of one of Cziffra's improv sessions
@@joeythehat9 nice.
I'd prefer Vladimir ashkenazy his is waaaaay too clean
And so dirty
@@joeythehat9 not very good. Flashy but not clean and adds stuff . Just a showman unfortunately
Obviously Shchedrin is the best! What an interesting interpretation to cut it so short.
Great recording! Chopin is great and I have posted some of my performances too :)
This is an absolute treasure
I am a big fan of your channel, ADGO
Thanks Max. Your channel with all its special recordings is awesome too.
Sokolov 14'54 est incomparable !!
Get a load of this! Grigory Sokolov plays Chopin Etude Op.25 No.12 in C minor "Ocean" - Video 1987 ruclips.net/video/jhLunFajgwg/видео.html
ZOKOLOV is a stupendous artist. However in this video the sound of his playing must have been removed as all I could see was the video but no music piano sound could be heard.
Number 11....My mind blew out
The étude 11 opus 10 is the most magnificent and incomparable by Samson François (so far) !
23:28 Lenin is so composed
I love Richter etude 7
exceptional taste. even if limited by video!
cheers mate
Tamarkina - great! (Neuhaus and Flier in the background) but Richter is easily above every one here IMO.
What's going on in the left hand in Op 10 no 2? I thought he'd discovered a hidden voice at first, but now I'm not so sure.
WOW BOZHANOV SO BEAUTIFUL
Bozhanov's faces are the best
Indeed! He keeps looking to the audience like if he knew someone sitting there and sort of asking "Hey, Jim, what do you think of this?"
number 3 and 11 don't know what he took though, 7 and 10 are in my opinion the players that put the most emotion in their music
Grandioso Rudolf Kehrer!!!
I think Chopin was the greatest melody writer
HJ Jim. No.4 i think it was speed rather than style.
Though it is possible to get the both, Richter is even faster.
FYI She's actually copying Richter. Try find the Richter Op. 10 No. 4 and you'll know.
It is dreadful.
@@neiltassoni Absolutely horrible.
Dear, can you tell me why modern players seem to be having a stroke when they play?
I prefered Vitali Margulis and Francis Plante!
Bozhanov's faces are... someone tell him please.
I was there when he played it at the Chopin competition 2010 in Warsaw, monkey faces yes, but I'll always remember his 3 Chopin Sonatas, old style of playing but I love when someone makes the piano sound alive with all the undertones you never expected existed in Chopin's music.
From where (and when) was the "Rosa Tamarkina" recording from?
"Lenin" and Maxim Gorki watching Kerer play ! Whoa!!!
I love the one with Shchedrin!
This is almost always a true statement.
loved all!!
Bravo pour ce beau travail de comparaison et merci pour le faire partager! Malheureusement le passage avec Grigory Sokolov est inaudible, pourriez-vous s'il-vous-plaît corriger cela?Musicalement vôtre,Jacques
Thank you. Sokolov is audible, but perhaps it's coming out of one channel only. Do you have both speakers on? The video is also on YT separately.
Yes, you are perfectly right. Thank you very much and all the best!
Jacques
Lim........smashing the keys like her mom beats her a lot while learning this tune lol
Bozhanov's faces 😂😂😂😂😂😂
He is ridiculous, but his music is great .....
No Ashkenazy or Pollini; pity.
No Rubenstein and Horowitz as well. But some of the interpretations are very very valuable, like 10-5, 10-7
Ashkenazy a class of his own playing this!!
Some amazing performances. What does he say at the end?
Maxim Gorky said, 'It was beautiful. Beautiful. Thank you very much.' :)
thanks ADGO. Thought that was Richter playing the number 4. Then, to my surprise, I found it was a woman. She's almost as good, but the ending is not clear. ogromnoe spasibo!
HJ Lim in this etude want to play very fast but not a good phrasing at all.
Latigo Justiciero Neither is Cziffra. It’s dreadful.
Yeah I agree completely. She wasn't bringing out the melodic lines well enough.
Evengy kissin has the beat interpretation imho
ruclips.net/video/0TZy4Va97xQ/видео.html
The Phrasing is terrible
HJ Lim either does things exceptionally well or horribly.
Lucky you being able to see that
republiccooper well, this was horrible
FРАU LIM 👇@
I can't hear Sokolov! looks like audio compression is not supported
I have the same problem
Speechless!
Fred
Waouh I discover Margulis
is that Heinrich Neuhaus in no.5?
I like Kehrer -- but not Lenin! ;-)
Rudolf Kehrer was born in 1923 a year before Lenin died, so there is no way he could have performed before Lenin. He was likely playing someone else in a movie. Maybe Isai Dobrovein. The chap with the moustache was probably playing Maxim Gorky. The woman, Krupskaya, Lenin's wife. My guess is that this is when Lenin and Gorky met in Switzerland during their exile.
I have heard several outstanding recordings of his. I think he’s a totally underrated pianist.
Most interesting choices. Glad to see Kerer in Op. 10 no. 12!
Btw the idea is not completely original, just go the the "pianopera" channel... :-P
Which idea? You mean a compilation like this?
I was listening to that when I put this together. Using videos severely limits your choices though
Yes indeed! Nevertheless, looking forward to the Op. 25 in due course!
Cziffra : where is emotion ? Music ? Richter : beautiful !
It was clipped out of a warmup session, not a performance:
ruclips.net/video/pf2accwGEaU/видео.html
Interesante cada estudio con diferentes. pianistas. 😂🇮🇷
You should have had Mei-Ting Sun for Op. 10, No. 1. By the way, Daniil Trifonov is heavenly.
This is the first time I've heard of Mei-Ting Sun. Thanks. But no I'm not taking out Cziffra, don't be silly :)
ADGO Cziffra is not as sensitive for Chopin but he is a reincarnation of Liszt. 🙂
Now op 25. Please, and use kissin or pollini for no 5. Love this video..
perhaps in a couple months. The excitement's gone.
+ADGO good things are worth waiting for.
haha charm will get you everything
The op. 25 recording landscape is quite different from op. 10.
While no complete op. 10 set is uniformly at or near the top,
Sokolov's op. 25 pretty much dominates the field.
Rosa Tamarkina was surprisingly good.
"surprisingly" ??? Why did you expect, you poor fool ?
@@Fritz_Maisenbacher
I expected nothing because I have never heard of her before. Of course i cannot match your superior wisdom, however that doesn't prevent the fact that you're an ass.
Could someone translate the man's commentary?
Very good playing, but I think Richter is better!
Me too
no Rubinstein no Horowitz? some consider the best CHOPIN interpreters.
Best MUSIC is from Andrei Gavrilov No. 9
No.11 looks as if he's been reading Francois Couperin, who advised harpsichordists to turn and smirk at the audience every few seconds. No.2 is plainly playing some totally different piece from the soundtrack
haha :) Bozhanov probably read the same Couperin instruction :) I mentioned in the description that I 'cheated' with number 2 -- I couldn't find a video I liked so I overlayed Margulis's audio on a video of him playing something else.
+ADGO Maybe you had deliberately put an awkward one; It made me chuckle alot :D
What an irony, when you know the background of the piece, to play no12 in front of communists russian leaders
Performance pianistique Luckily that wasn’t “true” communism.
and what is the background please?
@@themoroccanpianist8953 polish insurection against russian authority
@@Yannoux3000 thanks
is that vladimir Lenin in the background?
Richter Is a musician he s not playing to win a piano competition . Doesn t have to impress anyone with mere speed. You are listening to the beauy of the music not watching the circus
21:36 What with his face? :))))))))))))))))))
od3 fucking hilarious! I didnt know the guy
That's the competition... nervous strain )
Láttunk néhány zongoristát. Kitűnően zongoráztak. Boldog vagyok.
HJ Lim likes to perform fast. Love some of her performances, but faster doesn’t guarantee better.
Where is the Richter op 10 no 10 video from?
Op 10 no 5 horowitz its perfect
Who are the people listening to Kerer?
Lenin & Gorky (it's from a film, William S.) :)
Oh, I thought the 2nd guy was Stalin...!!
Margulis!
10-3 sound of heaven
Subscribed!
What does It mean ADGO?
Well, with the exception of Bozhanov none of these were actually top notch. Trifonov and Sokolov did very well though, and there was some interesting voicing in Margulis' op. 10/2 (but others have done that way better - check Sarah Daneshpour). The rest was a very mixed bag (Cziffra: yikes! and Planté: seriously!?).
In all fairness I'm comparing these renditions with recordings without video. But it's hard to believe that these are the best available filmed performances.
Why do you think it's only about the 'best'? For the most part I wanted to choose performances which were interesting and different. Your way of looking at it is both a dead end and too easy to do.
@@ADGO Fair enough ! 😉
Only Alfred Cortot play Masterpieces the others except Trifanov and Gravilov play studies , the first in the race is always Cziffra the best in speed , excuse me Trifonov and Gravilov
Have you ever heard etude op 10 n.6 played by meinster prof. Lev Oborin?
Thanks for mentioning it, I hadn't heard it. It's lovely :)
@@ADGO Please, "Good Bless Chopin and His music" .
Sokolov is unachievable!
How big were these guys’s hands? How far could they reach with one hand? A 10th? 11th? 12th? Also, how young were they when they started playing? An answer would be greatly appreciated
I can reach an 11th and I still stink lol.
I can span an octave and I don't play the piano.
Wow :y
More Shreddrin please.