Digital Oil Painting Challenge: Rebelle 4 vs Artrage 6
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Hey all! This is my first direct comparison between Rebelle and Artrage for Digital Oil Painting! In this session I demo painting the same reference image in each software... with the goal of giving you an apples to apples comparison of the two best digital painting platforms available. The Oil Painting feature in Rebelle 4 is new and it is fantastic. Artrage is the long standing champion of digital oil painting... so this face off will be a great way to examine the quality of the two programs. Spoilers ahead: I love them both.
Please let me know what painting you prefer!?
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got to admit, I'm loving the oils in Rebelle, if I had to choose one I'd pick Rebelle, watercolour, pencils, oils, for a one stop programme, it's outstanding. Won't be going back to Painter. Way too pricey for what it does...not very well.
That is perfectly stated. I 100% agree. I LOVE Artrage Oils... But you are right that Rebelle is a really strong overall painting/drawing package.
Rabelle seems to have created a better result in this instance, but also seems you took more time to make it better.
That is good feedback! And fair
I agree. Love the luxurious strokes in Rebelle, but that might be simply due to time spent. A portrait would be an intriguing next comparison.
Thanks for this great video that highlights the user interface strengths for oil brushes in Rebelle and Artrage! I too am a fan of the paint & blend options for each brush. FYI, to increase the size range on your custom brush, in the brush engine you can increase the Shape / Maximum Size (px) to a larger number. You can still adjust the size on the Tool Tile as you paint, but the range available to you will be larger.
Thank you for the tip!
Thanks for your vids! Just started working on ArtRage because of you after working in photoshop for years. Loving it so far! Can't wait to see portrait comparisons.
Awesome! Thank you for the encouragement! Portraits coming up next 🙏
@@DanielIbanez nice! Cant wait!
I know I'm late to this… and thanks for a very interesting video. I've got an unusual perspective. I was an art major academically, but I was also lead programmer on a very early and groundbreaking PC paint system in the late '80s to mid '90s - even before Photoshop existed. It was called 'Lumena' and cost several thousand dollars - and the hardware was even more costly: you'd spend about $20K for a whole system capable of doing paint. In fact, one of my colleagues worked on Painter back when it was being developed by Fractal Design, and I paid close attention to the early development of that system. After about 8 years of developing paint tools I went on to other kinds of software development and graphics work… but just recently got interested in picking up digital paint again recreationally… and I've been picking up a bunch of tools to check out what's out there, both on the Mac and the iPad. It's very interesting to see how the tools have matured while my attention was elsewhere.
Rebelle continues to change brushstrokes after you make them, but that's closely tracking how watercolors work in the real world: and their fluid dynamics modeling is astonishing. I can understand why there are a lot of videos showing off their dripping paint to illustrate how realistic their watercolors are, but I don't really expect that it's how people will actually paint with it most of the time. However, the way strokes blend into each other and bloom?
That is a remarkable and rich post! Thank you. I really enjoy getting your perspective on all of this! Thank you for all of those insights. Awesome.
I haven't tried all of the software you mentioned, but for the options I have tried, I agree with you. Working in Realistic does get old quickly (in large part due to its skeuomorphic interface and limited brush options for oils). That said, I do enjoy drawing in that program. Each one has little bits of magic that make them enjoyable...
*I find that I keep coming back to Photoshop, Rebelle, and Artrage. And the overall package that Rebelle offers is amazing.
Nice one! Watercolour comparison next? :)
On it! That will be a good video!
I always find that when I compare Artrage to anything else I always seem to return to Artrage. It just seems right.
I can agree that it has something special about it 🙏
The Rebelle painting is a stunner!
Been working in Painter, but 2021 (Trial) was just not there enough, buggy and pricey and not worth it.
Thanks for your great commentary! Very excited to jump ship!
If nothing else, it is great to have options! Happy to share! Thank you so much!!! I will try to review the newest painter version when I can afford it lol! But for now, I am a happy painter with Artrage, Rebelle and Photoshop!
Great video, Thanks Daniel. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts on Realistic Paint Studio.
Thank you! I have some work to do! :)
I've been trialing Corel Painter for a few weeks - so many bugs for the cost. Overly complexed too. Really excited to be testing these two out now
Let me know how it goes! I am very curious since the comparison is so fresh for you
Corel Painter is always bugged and you must pay fees for every bug fix, if you wish to continue using Painter.
FYI, I switched from Corel Painter over to Artrage years ago. Since then, I have never returned to Corel Painter. I am happy with Artrage.
Great comparison, looking forward to more videos when you have the opportunity. Blown away by your Rebelle painting and i think doing a similar exercise with an apple or some other "simple" form would be brilliant idea.
Regards
Thank you for the encouragement! I hope to keep learning more about Rebelle in the weeks ahead, best wishes 🙏
started with photoshop, haven't use both tools now
Vote for the stroke and the feel of thickness of rebelle 4
Vote for the sharpness for artrage 6
Btw, what's the post-process magic at around 16:26 doing?
Good video Daniel I. I personally recommend owning both at this point in time as both have their own advantages. If you can only afford 1, go Rebelle. There's more to Rebelle, if you use more than just oils, as I do.
Rebelle just keeps getting better (leaps & bounds better) with each edition. Fyi... Rebelle only costs 50 to upgrade, even if you skip an edition.
I don't remember how Artrage charges for new editions, so please forgive me.
I think upgrades are discounted also on Artrage... I will have to che k on how much. But I agree with your thinking.
Really informative, please keep these comparisons coming.
Thank you sir 🙏🙏🙏
Almost bought corel painter 2022. Saw humble bundle for rebelle 3. Spent the 20$ and holy hell. Rebelle is much more intuitive. Became comfortable with rebelle the day I installed it. Compare that to the 14 day free trial for the unitiuitive corel painter and the choice was clear. I will be picking up rebelle 4 soon so I can support an excellent program.
I am so glad that you found it too! Both Rebelle and Artrage are in a league of their own.
Bought Artrage 6 and Rebelle 4. Excited to use both.
Part of the differences in these programs is the interface, which is quite difference. Personally, I always return to Rebelle... the interface just feels right to me. Perhaps that's my photoshop and clip studio paint background.
Of the two paintings, I prefer rebelle. I also found it interesting how you started the paintings differently (using watercolor in rebelle).
That makes a lot of sense! I need to do another attempt at this. I am also super interested to know what this comparison looks like in the next versions!
I love Artage 6
Me too! It is awesome
Amazing! Good job. ❤️
Thank you very much!
I will try this with oil painting. Amazing.
Thank you! Best wishes
I have been watching your videos since lately to get back on my Artrage Painting hobby on desktop and now on iPad Pro too. Your videos and your paintings inspire me a great deal ! As profession, practicing architecture since the last 40 years, couldn't find enough time for my hobby. At 65, now, easing a little on my profession and jumping to my hobbies. I just have a simple question ! In this video, in Artrage, with the standard Oil Brush set to rectangular aspect, I saw the brush rotating, reorienting to the angle of the brush. This was a default in Artrage Version 2. But disappeared from Artrage 4 to its present Artrage 6 too. I'm still using my old Wacom Graphire Pen Tablet (8-1/2 x 6-1/2 inch) pressure levels 512 only,bought 13 years back, still working very fine. From Artrage 4 to Artage 6, the standard oil brush does not rotate like it was in Artrage 2. Same tablet. I tried out all settings in my Tablet settings. No, does not work. Does not work with Apple Pencil on iPad Pro in Artrage Vitae too. How is it that your are able to make it rotate in Artrage 6?. May be because of some very superior Tablet and Pen ? Please help. Artrage Forums could not give me a solution. Thanking you in advance.
Thank you for the kind words! I am so happy you are able to make more time for your hobbies!! Best wishes! About the brush rotation question: I do believe it is because of the tablet that I am using. I am using the XP pen deco ... That tablet has tilt functionality which helps with brush rotation. I bought it from Amazon for $69
@@DanielIbanez Thank you very much for such a quick reply ! It is quite strange ! I downloaded Rebelle 4 Demo and tried. Oil Brush and any other brushes which are thin/rectangular or whatever, do rotate in Rebelle 4.1.2 with my tablet. I immediately purchased the full version ! Now happy that I purchased it ! Since I transitioned from traditional physical oil painting on canvas & water colors, to digital later, I'm also quite keen on traditional Natural Media Painting software. Your videos inspired me into getting Rebelle too! Thanking you once again sir !
Would one of these programs work for following a foundation oil painting course? I'm just learning, and right now using traditional oil, and its very challenging! I think maybe one of these programs would make it easier. I have both
That is a great question... and I think that should be its own video! Great idea
Great vid!! I totally agree - bought Painter for years but feel ripped off. I Like Art Rage but always felt it’s impasto is a little digital for really chunky thick work. Rebelle 4 is near perfection - I am hugely impressed with it. Look forward to your next comparison.
Thank you for the awesome feedback! It is so interesting for me... I think they both do such a great job, but the differences are apparent enough that people do have their favorites. I am still pretty new to Rebelle but I really love it.
@@DanielIbanez In Rebelle, try making some thick impasto oil, dry the layer, then use watercolour with rewet = 0, and low transparency & watch it flow into the impasto bump map . That is like a realistic oil glaze that pools into the low spots. Awesome.
I've been a long-time user of Artrage and before that, I did use Corel Painter for a while, and I've come to the conclusion that Corel Painter is just way more complex and confusing than it needs to be for simulating natural media. Even if Painter was priced around $60, I would still use Artrage instead.
Both are beautiful …Rebelle wins this.
Thanks for the great video. I've been using ArtRage 4.5 for years, however, I'm a WC artist (primarily) and have never really been happy with those in ArtRage. I like to work dry-on-wet and wet-on-wet, and ArtRage just doesn't do that well. After stumbling upon a comparison video, I heard about Rebelle 5. It will most definately work for me.
However, of the 10+ videos I've seen this is my favorite. Ironically, it has nothing to do with WC, but your commentary is excellent. The others tell about how the medium works and all that, but you tell how it is to work with the software as an artist. Very handy for those of us with the question "yes, but how does it feel to use?"
Thank you! That is very helpful feedback. I am about to do some more videos comparisons since both companies have released new versions recently. Tmyour feedback is very helpful! Best wishes!
I use Corel Painter 2020 and love it, but I've been using their PSP and Painter essentials for years. I actually got it on humble bundle really cheap around 30 bucks. I love sketchbook pro though. It's been my go to art program for years before now. I love doing traditional art but don't always have the materials to do more or learn more with painting. Would you say that either art rage or rebelle could actually help you learn how to do real traditional painting as well? I do watercolors, and acrylic although I've never been good at it. I can't use oil paints because we have a bird and they will kill birds if you paint around them. I would just love to learn how to do it and be able to translate that over to traditional if I ever get that chance.
Thank you! I love hearing about what works for other artists. Your question is a really good one, and I don't know... I think it definitely would help with paint application, and familiarizing the order of steps in the process... Including how to simplify, look for big shapes, etc. All of that is a real benefit and translates straight across. I think mixing colors, and dealing with how muddy and messy oils can get might not be so direct and would still take some getting used to. I do see real benefits though... Man, good question
Why is everyone whining about the price of corel painter? there is a basic version of painter essentials and it costs about $40. rebelle costs around $100-150 and artrage around $60. the pro version of painter costs more, but it has a lot more features and tools than both rebelle and artrage.
You should be solely responsible for Art Rage's marketing. Bought it because of you and my god do I love the oil brush. Rebelle is amazing for watercolor but art rage seems unbeatable with oils. It just has such an amazing look and painting with it feels so natural. Mind blown!
Thank you sir! That is high praise 🙏. I agree that Artrage is oils are unbeatable. but I think rebel has better watercolor and charcoal. Man, I love Artrage. Thank you again
@@DanielIbanez yes absolutely. Hey may I ask if you know where the night mode interface feature in Art Rage 6 went? I already filed a support request but maybe you can already give me an answer. It was added in Art Rage 5 but I cant find it anywhere in 6. Thank you again as well, I'm so glad I found your channel and that I bought this software. It will become a major part of my workflow now.
@@LarsRichterMedia good question... I am not sure!
@@DanielIbanez man... I just lost hours of work because of a stupid mistake and because Art Rage doesn't have Autosave. That's a huge drawback. Every software I use has Autosave.... big oof!
@@LarsRichterMedia ouch! I am so sorry! That is so true... That should definitely be a feature. I will pass that on
I own both. I think your Rebelle painting looks better. How about Corel Painter Essentials as an alternative to Corel Painter 2021?
Dunno Rebelle, just this watercolor approach I saw on some RUclips video. But use Artrage for 1 year now, and just start to fall in love with color mixing...ahah, so I stay on Artrage for the moment.
Also, I like the "Happy accident" Highlight Artrage add on brushstroke. Feel more natural and traditional. Anyway maybe try rebelle soon for compare it, but Artrage and photoshop for fix exposure/contrast are enough for me for the moment.
There is definitely some nice artrage magic in those oils!
Just a minute and 30 in, and you already get a "like" from me!
Thank you sir!🙏🙏🙏
I gotta say, the Rebelle picture looks better to my eyes!
I think that's the best part! Two great tools with two great ways to make an oil painting! Thank you for your comment!!!
On this demo I like Rebelle better!!
I need to do more of these!
The best digital watercolor approach I've ever seen, the one which looks the most like the sort of real-world painting *_I_* would like to recreate, was done in ArtRage 4 (maybe 3!) and was a still life of a human skull. (You can do an easy Google search for it.) Frankly, the drippy, super-soft WC technique I see so often lauded in Rebelle is just NOT what I am looking for! Incidentally, I recently watched a WC demo in Photoshop that blew me away. However, this was for a conceptual, character-based illustration and not a "painting" _per se._ Very nice paintings *_here,_* btw, both of them! I would have to say that I prefer the Rebelle final result, maybe Because you took a little more time with it--? It's just a bit tighter and more representational. :)
Thank you Kevin! Great thoughts... At the moment, I am working to create a guide for how to get an authentic watercolor look using Rebelle (and I agree, the drippy soft elementary school looking watercolors are not very inspiring). I will look up your recommendation (skull) video
@@DanielIbanez "... the drippy soft elementary school looking..." _LOL_ Exactly! And I look forward to your guide! :)
Artrage baby
So good!
Being an artrage fan, I was dismayed that the Rebelle version looked better. Or, is it not?
I think a few more tests are in order! Portraits are next
My thoughts again.
Which do you think would be faster on a moderate power computer in the oils? Only oils. Thanks for the video! As to which I think is best, I like the Rebelle painting more, but I have the feeling you could have achieved the same softer, more detailed look in Artrage. You seemed to imply the same thing, I believe?
I think that is true! Both are great. Tonight I will try out comparing portraits. I think artrage is a little better on lower end hardware... It doesn't use gpu acceleration for anything. But I need to test that as well
Kinda late to the party, but this is amazing work! I am really liking the Rebelle oil brushes & I’m thinking about giving it a try. You mentioned you made custom brush settings for the oils. Is there anyway to find out what your custom setting are for the different oils brushes you use?
Thank you! I used some custom stamps and settings... I have them on my Patreon... And trying to figure out how to put them on Artstation!
@@DanielIbanez sweet! I'll check out your patreon. Thanks for being so awesome!
Genial! Muchísimas gracias por este video :D
Finalmente he adquirido Rebelle 4
Thank you for the kindness!
Just a FYI to everyone: if you're getting Fresco as part of the Photoshop Sub, it is a very good painting software and makes for a great companion to Photoshop but, alone, Fresco for 10 a month, totally not worth it.
Good point!!! Fresco is great especially for the iPad
@@DanielIbanez ... I would add just as much as the Surface Pro. Granted, I find the Apple pencil fantastic, right behind the Wacom Pro pen but, the Surface Pen & the 520 Renaissance pen are almost as good.
I personally prefer the Surface because its a full fledged computer. I can run Photoshop, not that crappy app version (hopefully it will get better).
That said, there is a big difference between apps & software. So long as everyone is aware of that, use the device that best suits you.
I find it silly to be a fanboy of anything other than sports & country.
Cheers Daniel
@@DanielIbanez ... did you see my post about Paintstorm Studio (PPS) & Realistic Paint Studio (RPS)?
I would love your opinion (both have free trials). Both have excellent painting engines. RPS, is more for beginners but, its a lot of fun & has best tutorials I've ever seen. Great for someone new to digital painting.
And believe it or not, PSS's oil brushes are up there with Rebelle & Artrage. No BS. It also has the most customizable UI, I've ever seen.
My students constantly ask me about different software and also good review channels (that's how I found you).
If you can check them out, or already have, I would greatly appreciate your feedback.
Be safe & healthy.
Thanks in advance - John
I never heard of them (both owned by same company apparently). Google the names
FYI #2... I've used Painter (Corel Painter) for over 25 years & while it is still very good software & has been a staple for decades as a premier digital painting software, Corel is destroying Painter & Painter Essentials.
It is expensive. More importantly though,, general support & especially "tablet support is ABYSMAL." Painter no longer works with the Surface line (Pro 7 & Book 3, upcoming Pro 8, Book 4, Studio 3, some Wacom Tablets, & other tablet brands & digitizers).
Corel has been aware of these issues throughout the whole 2020 edition & it continues with their 2021 edition, yet they continue to unlawfully claim it works. Be sure to try their trial version if you have doubts, things are this bad with Corel Painter & Essentials.
I can't in good conscience, even recommend their upgrade, which is also expensive but, would be fair considering you OWN the software & its painting engine is faster & more responsive these days.
Buyer beware!
Your comments are always so helpful! Hope the semester is going well for you!
Thank you for this video :)! I do wonder about a couple more things though. One is performance and the other one is blending. I would appreciate it if you did a performance comparison as Rebelle is known for being laggy. I have the third one and it gets laggy if I paint on a bigger than 5000px x 5000x canvas.
I will absolutely do that! Great idea!!!
@@DanielIbanez Thanks :)!
Hi, also like digital mediums and trying to transition to digital. I’m trying rebelle 4 and can’t seem to find a way to Break paint strokes suck as with a palette knife for painting mountains. Do you know how to do this? I also tried it in Art Rage but the palette knifes aren’t loaded and only spread existing paint. What am I doing wrong here. Breaking paint is such a basic find toon in real painting I’d have to imagine there is a way to do it
That is a great question. I will look into it. *One thing: You can set the palette knife to hold paint and do painting with the knife. I just posted a video of that last night!
i think rebel looks better in this case
I can see what you mean!
great video.. thanks.. as i'm learning artrage it irks me to prefer the rebelle painting.. dammit😖
I probably could have spent more time on the Artrage painting... I do think artrage oils are generally better. I went for a real choppy look with that one.
I am drawing with Artrage. But the greasy brush cursor does not rotate in drawing strokes. Stays fixed. How can I do that?
I wonder if your tablet doesn't have tilt... hmmm
@@DanielIbanez Wacom One By Small . My tablet
Do color mix in rebelle like in artrage
Yes! They do
Rebelle is better. Do more exploration of rebelled features. I will subscribe for a while to see what you do.
Thank you for checking out the video! I am still very new to Rebelle and am very excited to continue to learn more!
new tools
need new practice.
Just spend more time on it and you will get better.
BUT
effect wise, its VERY CLOSE.
Very true!
nice :)
Thank you!
Rebelle is better!
They are the two best programs for sure! Best wishes!