the worst part is the kids that lied about it back then when you knew they were bullshitting but you could actually do it the entire time. you cant write a storyline this good
I’ve been playing this game since it was released when I was 11 years old and I just discovered today the master hand glitch. I'm nearly 30 years old and I’m just so mind blown right now wow.
Melee is just so full of surprises, if you play with items on and open Crates, Barrels or Party Balls sometimes enemies from Adventure appear from them, stuff like that should’ve been a mainstay in future Smash games.
Knew about it when I was younger but never actually ended up using it as I had an Action Replay and could just flip the code on if I wanted to play as Master Hand. Iirc same thing should work with slot 4 if you want to play as Crazy Hand.
Sakurai was so infuriated by the mistakes the translators made on the Meta Knight trophy, he made Brawl Meta Knight so broken that no one would ever make another mistake with his children again
That's the first thing I thought of! I know the "mistake" they were referring to was G&W's aerials being coded as specials, but it sounded so funny at first.
@@MegaPokefan97 It wasn't a glitch, L-canceling came from Z-canceling in 64. Z-canceling cancels all landing lag. It was made that way so shielding from a jump would be easier. The landing lag cancel was just a side affect which they changed to half the animation frames in melee from 64.
@@camo_man I mean, a lot of the fun things are mentioned in the video. I don't know how common knowledge is that wavedashing abuses the physics engine in a way that was unintentional, but the devs didn't have the time to code it out of the game, so they kept it. That's why it doesn't exist in the following smash entries
I wonder if Luigi's debut was deliberately incorrect so players knew his debut in his own series 1st. Wouldn't it be confusing to have Mr. Game & Watch's Trophy appear only to have Luigi misaligned in series order? Is this mistake intact in Brawl onward?
As a competitive player it's really nice to learn more about in game mistakes and between different releases of the game. We usually learn mechanics lmao
The Banzai Bill name (マグナムキラー) in the Japanese clip is actually correct though. Bullet Bill would be 「キラー」 。Also, the Japanese version correctly lists the game of origin as Super Mario World, so the mistake was purely in the localization; there was nothing to "fix".
I love how Super Smash Bros., a 2D fighting game series, has Z axis collision detection, even though it has absolutely no relevance at all. Another funny instance of it is Yoshi's taunt, which can be used to avoid certain projectiles if timed right, as he looks at the screen, allowing the projectiles to go over his saddle and behind his head.
Actually, the error with Bowser’s DThrow isn’t connected to character weight at all! But it also is! It’s because, in Melee, Brawl and Smash 4, the duration of throw animations are based on character weight, and Bowser’s down throw against Jigglypuff and Mr. Game and Watch skips over the one frame that actually does the damage. How light they are doesn’t fuck up the damage calculation (I think. I’m 99% sure weight doesn’t affect damage.), but rather it speeds up the animation in a way that removes the damage hitbox.
Definitely my favorite video you've all uploaded in months, the quality of the last one worried me. Melee is one of those odd games where despite the size you can never run out of info to talk about on it like Mario 64 and Ocarina. I very often talk about the games atmosphere and weird connections to the betas and Spaceworld Demos of other games much to peoples' disinterset lol.
@@internetguy7319 I mean I'm sure some enjoyed it but a lot of other stuff felt like stuff that was either very basic or things they've already talked about. Maybe it's just cause I was in a really bad mood then but getting something really simple factually wrong like the Rainbow Cruise stuff at the start of the video didn't leave a good taste for the rest of it.
@@WilfredCthulu Ah. I didn't like eome stuff either because they were wrong, but I did absolutely love the Lugia and Mario Kart DS video. Have you seen the Lugia one?
@@Drumtariano Fun is subjective, personally i didn't enjoy it due to the fairly unnatural physics and the awful balance The only reason why the skill ceiling is so high is because some characters are completely broken and some of them have game breaking combos, also, melee players get hard for wave dashing for some reason
It’s a creepypasta waiting to be made, so basically if you look at her 3rd Eye at Midnight in the Dark for approximately 2 Hours while holding an actual Daisy in with both of your hands you can unlock her but if you fail things won’t look too good for you👁
I will always remember Melee for the fun times. And as fun as these facts are, it shows the issue of rush developed games. I'm glad Sakurai learned from this and continue improve on his beloved series.
As someone who has played melee for over 19 years and is part of the competitive scene, most of these are pretty well known by now. But one in particular that I've NEVER heard of until this video is the Mr game and watch spawning food if u hit a 7 in the rest area. Thats pretty cool lol
Likely some coincidence in calling a random number from memory. Kind of like how the game randomly pulls a number from memory whenever it decides whether or not luigi's cyclone should be charged at the start of the match.
I still like Melee, but I gotta say, it's a miracle the game manage to do well when it came, it still managed to be fun to play (casually), and it functions well, too. It could've ended up being Smash Bros' "Sonic 06" and killed the formerly small franchise earlier due to the small develpment time, but it didn't. Sidenote: Even as a kid, I managed to spot some of the oddities before.
@@genyakozlov1316 True, but all star and targets are awesome. Also Melee has a very distinct playstyle that differs from the other entries that many people enjoy whether casual or competitive.
On Bowser's Down-Throw: It is actually the SPEED of the animation that changes based on character weight, not the damage. Puff and G&W are just the right weight that the frame of the throw that does damage gets skipped because the animation is playing so fast.
@@NCozy It's a video found in the game options featuring various random scenes made in-game. As the video mentions it actually shows beta version of some stages (like Hyrule Temple with extra platforms)
@@PhantomDusclops92 It sucks that this is the only Smash Bros. game to have a special video like that. I would've loved to see the Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate's versions of special videos.
Sakurai: *almost dies from exhaustion by making Melee in less than a year* People: Hey, there are flaws and bugs in the game! Sakurai: Well, no Waluigi or Geno for you then!
5:14 Wrong. The trophy title reads "マグナムキラー", which is the Japanese name for the Banzai Bill. The trophy description begins with a description of the bullet bill enemy, true, but that description only serves to emphasize the differences from banzai bill enemy, which is described in the 2nd half of the trophy's text. Is there really nobody that knows Japanese on the DYKG team? Edit 5:28 "But the game origin wasn't fixed." The game origin in the Japanese version is correct, reading "スーパーマリオワールド(SFC)", the Japanese name for Super Mario World. The US release made it wrong. The trophy has absolutely no "errors" in the Japanese version.
Strangely enough, some of Nintendo's rushed games are actually their best. The original Majora's Mask and Melee are just two examples. Their skill ceilings are way higher than their usual titles and I feel like that's because Nintendo had less time to obsess about dumbing things down for general audiences.
I don't know if this is a mistake or just an easter egg but I remember one of the Ganondorf trophies getting a new eye color when a specific background is used (I think the dark, purple one with the swirls; it's been so long I don't remember the full details)
The trophies have so many interesting easter eggs; Metal Mario's trophy texture uses a reflected image of the Yoshi's Island stage, and the Metroid trophy uses a reflected image of the Super Metroid title screen.
(10:30) Seems much easier to just set up a custom tournament, and set all players to the same character with the same colour. This way you get four players, in a free-for-all with the same colour.
It always feels like theres just more to learn and seeing how fucking rushed this game is lol, like you think with all the things Ive learned at this point are enough to know for sure its rushed but man theres so many more details in the trophies and oversights. I feel so bad for Sakurai and the dev team in those few months they had to work on it but their worked paid off hard in an accidental way of leaving the game to grow outside its original intention and with the unfinalized balance being decent (at least compared to the PAL version) except for G&W being kinda being thrown under the bus with the lack of L cancelling.
Unfortunately they don't seem to feel like it paid off or see the beauty in it lol. Literally the deepest game mechanically they've ever made and they throw it under the bus like it shouldn't exist. Incredible. Can you imagine the game we'd be playing now if they went the Street Fighter route and embraced the "mistakes"?
@@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot honestly thats just the issue with nintendo. They seem to take shame in the glitches and technical errors in their games and try to hide them, acting like they were never there. I honestly hope that the future devs for nintendo come to embrace the bugs and glitches for their future games.
I still am scared by it as well. I am surprised Sakurai never mentioned it. I mean he could’ve used the third eye as a joke for her final smash in ultimate.
Another way to look at this Daisy third eye story is one of two stories: Tatanga was involved and he gave us the Daisy third eye trophy and was in this for disguised. The second story is that everyone in Sarasaland has third eye's in the back of their heads.
Knowing Melee's insane development cycle, I'm almost positive that Marth/Roy's Dreamland animation glitches are a classic case of "we don't know why this happens but if we fix it then the game crashes, so just leave it in"
I think Melee might very well be my most favorite nostalgic video game from childhood. Had so much fun playing it with family and friends. The escapist vibe I got from playing Melee back in the day is something I wish I could go back and experience again.
About the Ganondorf sound bank thing, if you look at C. Falcon's sounds in sound test, you can find the sound effects for Ganon's Wizard Foot attack. You can also find unused announcer clips in there, such as the announcer saying "Fighting Wire Frames!", "Master Hand!", and "How to Play!". This game is a mess lol
There is a glitch where if you keep on reflecting the red shell over and over with mario, he will eventually "break" his cape. The cape will stay visible in his hand the whole match.
Another interesting one when you switch the game to Japanese: The Character Select Screen announcer will say Koopa! For Bowser, and Purring! For Jigglypuff. Their name tags reflect this.
(2:40) > _"This issue would be present in the series much longer than the ability heal"_ That is, for just one more game: Melee (2): All-Star introduced Brawl (3): healing exploit fixed 3DS/Wii U (4/5): self-damaging prevented
I have a theory why Roy and g&w are so broken. If the ultimate roster is correct, these were the final 2 characters to enter production. Due to their eleventh hour inclusion, there was literally not enough time to make them work properly.
At some point, I wanted to compile fixes to mistakes found by the community into a patch, starting with moveset-stuff, etc. I used the Pal-rom as basis because NTSC is pretty bugged. The tool corrupts Pal-kirby tho, which is why the project was basically instantly cancelled without major announcement. Melee just refuses to be fully fixed.
I remember the master hand glitch, you had to put in button combinations to do his moves. I always thought it was cool they even had his move set mapped out
Not exactly. The Marth grab joke is because in Melee, Marth's (and since he was based off of Marth, Roy as well) standing grab is one of the largest grab boxes in the game. There's a classic video showcasing Marth's grab even outrangibg Yoshi's standing grab.
@@shrike_8136 You're thinking of Yoshi's dash grab which is known to go into the Z-axis and is why it doesn't grab thin characters. There's a popular video of Axe showcasing this titled something along the lines of "Smash is a 3D game."
That first glitch with Whispy and the swordies is so damn specific I genuinely don't know how people even found that out. Two characters on one stage at a specific time with two frames? How the FUCK?
The Name Entry Glitch can actually be done with a single controller. Hold down the B button to go back and then hit the A button at just the right time, and it can work. It's more difficult than the two controller method, but it is still entirely possible.
The reason doctor mario is “a tad slower” is because all of his aerial attacks have more landing lag, other than that the characters are complete clones movement wise
I don’t think being able to hurt yourself in the rest area is necessarily an oversight. It may have been changed in later games, but at the time they probably just figured it’s on the player if they choose to give themself a disadvantage for some reason.
I thought this was gonna be a whole video on the history and creation of Super Smash Bros. Melee and how it brought forth the majority of the competitive community.
That's a double edged sword. For pure bugs like the Whispy bug sure, but Melee as we know it would not exist if Nintendo got their dirty hands on it after release. Same goes for a lot of fighting games that are over patched.
I think in the case of fighting games I think patches are for the better but for things handled by the Smash dev team looking at the European patches for 64 and Melee they were prob worse version of the games to play imo even to this day Ultimate has a lot of changes that makes me scratch my head that were either unecessary or just worse for the games meta (not to say there arent any good balance changes) but thats kinda subjective all in all
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You could make a whole RUclips channel highlighting the mistakes in this game!
AsumSaus oh wait-
Holy shit
That sounds like a great idea!
@@thessj4yamcha5150 Was just about to comment this. If you like melee oddities, check them out!
@@jackking1900 i know. i love his content
I spent too much time as a child unsuccessfully following online tutorials for how to play as master hand. If only I had known about the glitch.
the worst part is the kids that lied about it back then when you knew they were bullshitting but you could actually do it the entire time. you cant write a storyline this good
Dude stop watching the same stuff as me
How many times have we seen the "daisy with third eye glitch" at this point whenever Melee has an episode?
First thing I thought about the second I saw the title of this video. Surprised it wasn't the thumbnail.
Literally thought the same thing lol
@@LetterNumber Oh I thought you metaphorically thought the same thing. Now I understand.
Super Mario Bros 2 is actually a reskin of a game called Doki Doki Panic
@SUPERBOOTLEG Archive If you do a certain glitch in A Link to the Past, you can enter the Chris Houlihan room!
I’ve been playing this game since it was released when I was 11 years old and I just discovered today the master hand glitch. I'm nearly 30 years old and I’m just so mind blown right now wow.
Likewise, how have I not known about this until now!
Melee is just so full of surprises, if you play with items on and open Crates, Barrels or Party Balls sometimes enemies from Adventure appear from them, stuff like that should’ve been a mainstay in future Smash games.
That's how I dealt with a bunch of the jank challenge events
Knew about it when I was younger but never actually ended up using it as I had an Action Replay and could just flip the code on if I wanted to play as Master Hand. Iirc same thing should work with slot 4 if you want to play as Crazy Hand.
It just shows how rushed and unfinished the game is.
Sakurai was so infuriated by the mistakes the translators made on the Meta Knight trophy, he made Brawl Meta Knight so broken that no one would ever make another mistake with his children again
IT ALL MAKES SENSE!
I too always wondered why Meta Knight’s body was silver in the Trophy Model, it never looked right.
They fixed GnW not being able to l-cancel by getting rid of l-canceling.
That's the first thing I thought of! I know the "mistake" they were referring to was G&W's aerials being coded as specials, but it sounded so funny at first.
@@MegaPokefan97 It wasn't a glitch, L-canceling came from Z-canceling in 64. Z-canceling cancels all landing lag. It was made that way so shielding from a jump would be easier. The landing lag cancel was just a side affect which they changed to half the animation frames in melee from 64.
@@MegaPokefan97 If you think that, that just shows you don’t know what you’re talking about.
@@MegaPokefan97 wrong
And Project M brought it back and made sure to give it to poor G&W.
Melee has a lot of weird bugs but I never noticed any back when I played it. You’d have to be eagle eyed to noticed a lot of these
What do you think would happen if melee wasnt rushed
@@cakecake4469 probably wouldn't have a cult following so big. Most of the aspects that make melee "the best smash" are actually bugs that are abused
@@andreescalona8902 which bugs?
@@camo_man I mean, a lot of the fun things are mentioned in the video. I don't know how common knowledge is that wavedashing abuses the physics engine in a way that was unintentional, but the devs didn't have the time to code it out of the game, so they kept it. That's why it doesn't exist in the following smash entries
@@camo_man watch AsumSaus' videos
Hard to believe it has been 20 years since melee's release. I feel old.
I wonder if Luigi's debut was deliberately incorrect so players knew his debut in his own series 1st. Wouldn't it be confusing to have Mr. Game & Watch's Trophy appear only to have Luigi misaligned in series order? Is this mistake intact in Brawl onward?
As a competitive player it's really nice to learn more about in game mistakes and between different releases of the game. We usually learn mechanics lmao
The Banzai Bill name (マグナムキラー) in the Japanese clip is actually correct though. Bullet Bill would be 「キラー」 。Also, the Japanese version correctly lists the game of origin as Super Mario World, so the mistake was purely in the localization; there was nothing to "fix".
I love how Super Smash Bros., a 2D fighting game series, has Z axis collision detection, even though it has absolutely no relevance at all. Another funny instance of it is Yoshi's taunt, which can be used to avoid certain projectiles if timed right, as he looks at the screen, allowing the projectiles to go over his saddle and behind his head.
I love this game sooo much always happy to learn some secret facts :)
I do too. I loved kicking all my friends asses at this game. I didn't even need the C stick
Me too
I guess this is why the broken melee was loved and the way less broken wii u was hatef
YAWN 😴
If you were a melee fan you would already know this stuff
European players can never hail the wonderful Virtual Boy in Melee.
That was curiously sarcastic; the writing is normally quite dry and to-the-point.
@@lilwyvern4 It was a reference to Tomodachi Life
Be aight.
Thanks for the arrow and circle in the thumbnail, or else I'd never find this video
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@@AGZhark it's a joke about how youtubers use red arrows and circles in thumbnails to add "clickbait"
I don't know why they did it, since they usually don't do it.
Trophies were one of my favorite features, I would spend so much time looking at trophies and reading about them over and over again, lol
This game was developed in only 12-18 months, so I think we can forgive the Melee team for any mistakes. But neat facts nonetheless.
Actually, the error with Bowser’s DThrow isn’t connected to character weight at all! But it also is!
It’s because, in Melee, Brawl and Smash 4, the duration of throw animations are based on character weight, and Bowser’s down throw against Jigglypuff and Mr. Game and Watch skips over the one frame that actually does the damage.
How light they are doesn’t fuck up the damage calculation (I think. I’m 99% sure weight doesn’t affect damage.), but rather it speeds up the animation in a way that removes the damage hitbox.
I don't need sleep I need to watch the new DYKG three times in a row
my mom says i was the worst melee mistake
Must've been a kirby Main try fox next time 👍
@@S713N Kirby's funny tho bowsers the real mistake..
@@S713N ...
@@AGZhark my bad I was wake at 3am while typing that
Sorry kid... Flex Tape can't fix that
Definitely my favorite video you've all uploaded in months, the quality of the last one worried me. Melee is one of those odd games where despite the size you can never run out of info to talk about on it like Mario 64 and Ocarina. I very often talk about the games atmosphere and weird connections to the betas and Spaceworld Demos of other games much to peoples' disinterset lol.
What last one??? The Lugia one was absolutely incredible.
@@internetguy7319 I mean I'm sure some enjoyed it but a lot of other stuff felt like stuff that was either very basic or things they've already talked about. Maybe it's just cause I was in a really bad mood then but getting something really simple factually wrong like the Rainbow Cruise stuff at the start of the video didn't leave a good taste for the rest of it.
@@WilfredCthulu Ah. I didn't like eome stuff either because they were wrong, but I did absolutely love the Lugia and Mario Kart DS video. Have you seen the Lugia one?
@@internetguy7319 I already knew about it's development so nah
@@WilfredCthulu :(
“Melee was a mistake.” ~Masahiro Sakurai
yep, they accidentally made the skill ceiling way too high resulting in a fun and difficult-to-master game :(
Didn't he literally say Melee was "The Sharpest Game" before Smash 4?
@@coreywhite3422 In terms of technicality, yes.
A Beautiful Mistake*
@@Drumtariano Fun is subjective, personally i didn't enjoy it due to the fairly unnatural physics and the awful balance
The only reason why the skill ceiling is so high is because some characters are completely broken and some of them have game breaking combos, also, melee players get hard for wave dashing for some reason
Meta Knight is also spelled "Meta-Knight" in some european languages for some reason.
the Daisy trophy having a secret third eye sounds like creepypasta material.
It’s a creepypasta waiting to be made, so basically if you look at her 3rd Eye at Midnight in the Dark for approximately 2 Hours while holding an actual Daisy in with both of your hands you can unlock her but if you fail things won’t look too good for you👁
It's so creepy
11:09 Can't believe the Name Entry glitch predicted one of the sickest parts of World of Light
*Smell* ooooo... I found her!
Can’t believe Melee did “Everyone is Here” before Ultimate did.
Ganondorf with two jabs looks so sick
I will always remember Melee for the fun times. And as fun as these facts are, it shows the issue of rush developed games. I'm glad Sakurai learned from this and continue improve on his beloved series.
As someone who has played melee for over 19 years and is part of the competitive scene, most of these are pretty well known by now. But one in particular that I've NEVER heard of until this video is the Mr game and watch spawning food if u hit a 7 in the rest area. Thats pretty cool lol
That Marth and Roy glitch with Whispy was something I never knew about, makes me wonder how something like that can even happen.
Likely some coincidence in calling a random number from memory. Kind of like how the game randomly pulls a number from memory whenever it decides whether or not luigi's cyclone should be charged at the start of the match.
I kept imagining every sentence in the video starting with " Um, actually..."
I still like Melee, but I gotta say, it's a miracle the game manage to do well when it came, it still managed to be fun to play (casually), and it functions well, too.
It could've ended up being Smash Bros' "Sonic 06" and killed the formerly small franchise earlier due to the small develpment time, but it didn't.
Sidenote: Even as a kid, I managed to spot some of the oddities before.
Sonic 06 is also fun to play.
Also, why did you add "(casually)"? Isn't Melee famous for being fun to play competitively?
@@genyakozlov1316 True, but all star and targets are awesome. Also Melee has a very distinct playstyle that differs from the other entries that many people enjoy whether casual or competitive.
Love learning little tidbits about Melee. Good work @DYKG.
This game was rushed so there is a bunch of messed up things in this game. Sakurai rarely got any breaks when making this game.
Why do I feel like I've seen this before?
Same
7:30 Third eye easter egg again!~
The real question is how the hell do people notice these tiny details!😱
The game has been played almost constantly since it came out. Millions of hours with anything, you're bound to find something
Enemies from Adventure Mode can appear from Crates, Barrels and Party Balls, stuff like that should’ve been a mainstay in future smash games.
Melee is one of the most documented post-6th-gen console games along with Mario 64 and OoT
On Bowser's Down-Throw:
It is actually the SPEED of the animation that changes based on character weight, not the damage. Puff and G&W are just the right weight that the frame of the throw that does damage gets skipped because the animation is playing so fast.
3:37 Not every person. The Special Movie was removed in the European copies of the game to make space for the foreign translations.
@Psyche Intro cutscene
@@NCozy It's a video found in the game options featuring various random scenes made in-game. As the video mentions it actually shows beta version of some stages (like Hyrule Temple with extra platforms)
@@PhantomDusclops92 It sucks that this is the only Smash Bros. game to have a special video like that. I would've loved to see the Brawl, Smash 4, and Ultimate's versions of special videos.
@@PhantomDusclops92 Ohh I never actually watched the video, I just assumed it was that lol. I didn't think it could be anything else
Sakurai: *almost dies from exhaustion by making Melee in less than a year*
People: Hey, there are flaws and bugs in the game!
Sakurai: Well, no Waluigi or Geno for you then!
Sakurai even said if he could add one more character to Melee it would’ve been Wario, and it would’ve been before Warioware existed.
Why people
10:31 Hey look, it’s Noob Saibot Mario
5:14 Wrong. The trophy title reads "マグナムキラー", which is the Japanese name for the Banzai Bill. The trophy description begins with a description of the bullet bill enemy, true, but that description only serves to emphasize the differences from banzai bill enemy, which is described in the 2nd half of the trophy's text.
Is there really nobody that knows Japanese on the DYKG team?
Edit 5:28 "But the game origin wasn't fixed." The game origin in the Japanese version is correct, reading "スーパーマリオワールド(SFC)", the Japanese name for Super Mario World. The US release made it wrong. The trophy has absolutely no "errors" in the Japanese version.
Strangely enough, some of Nintendo's rushed games are actually their best. The original Majora's Mask and Melee are just two examples. Their skill ceilings are way higher than their usual titles and I feel like that's because Nintendo had less time to obsess about dumbing things down for general audiences.
I disagree for Majora's Mask due to the 3 day timer which is not polished compared to 3DS remake. Melee is a better game gameplay wise.
I've never heard 'em pronounced as "ganonDORF" and "masterHAND".
Yeah, I've noticed that in previous videos that Remix has some very bizarre pronunciations and emphasizes wrong syllables with certain words.
If you haven't heard them pronounced like that, then what have you been hearing man?
@@fatmanjumprope GANONdorf and MASTERhand.
What about that event match with the giant yoshi that sometimes just suicides immediately after the match starts?
That's just a CPU thing doesn't really matter at all
Or Bowser’s giant hand he gets when shielding?
I don't know if this is a mistake or just an easter egg but I remember one of the Ganondorf trophies getting a new eye color when a specific background is used (I think the dark, purple one with the swirls; it's been so long I don't remember the full details)
The trophies have so many interesting easter eggs; Metal Mario's trophy texture uses a reflected image of the Yoshi's Island stage, and the Metroid trophy uses a reflected image of the Super Metroid title screen.
(10:30) Seems much easier to just set up a custom tournament, and set all players to the same character with the same colour. This way you get four players, in a free-for-all with the same colour.
It always feels like theres just more to learn and seeing how fucking rushed this game is lol, like you think with all the things Ive learned at this point are enough to know for sure its rushed but man theres so many more details in the trophies and oversights. I feel so bad for Sakurai and the dev team in those few months they had to work on it but their worked paid off hard in an accidental way of leaving the game to grow outside its original intention and with the unfinalized balance being decent (at least compared to the PAL version) except for G&W being kinda being thrown under the bus with the lack of L cancelling.
Unfortunately they don't seem to feel like it paid off or see the beauty in it lol. Literally the deepest game mechanically they've ever made and they throw it under the bus like it shouldn't exist. Incredible. Can you imagine the game we'd be playing now if they went the Street Fighter route and embraced the "mistakes"?
I didnt read your comment but Garou: Mark of the Wolves kicks ass
@@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot that would’ve been godlike
@@Sir_Robin_of_Camelot honestly thats just the issue with nintendo. They seem to take shame in the glitches and technical errors in their games and try to hide them, acting like they were never there. I honestly hope that the future devs for nintendo come to embrace the bugs and glitches for their future games.
Sometimes I wish newer Smash games were rushed so they didn't have time to hinder advanced interactions with an open system of movement physics.
Daisy's 3rd eye on her trophy scared the hell outta me!
I still am scared by it as well. I am surprised Sakurai never mentioned it. I mean he could’ve used the third eye as a joke for her final smash in ultimate.
@@j.housman665
Yes that would have been very creative for Daisy.
Another way to look at this Daisy third eye story is one of two stories: Tatanga was involved and he gave us the Daisy third eye trophy and was in this for disguised. The second story is that everyone in Sarasaland has third eye's in the back of their heads.
Knowing Melee's insane development cycle, I'm almost positive that Marth/Roy's Dreamland animation glitches are a classic case of "we don't know why this happens but if we fix it then the game crashes, so just leave it in"
Sounds like someone just learned about using the word "erroneously" lol
Said it like four times lol
I think Melee might very well be my most favorite nostalgic video game from childhood. Had so much fun playing it with family and friends. The escapist vibe I got from playing Melee back in the day is something I wish I could go back and experience again.
Ah yes, the clone character Falcondorf. Melee's greatest mistake.
About the Ganondorf sound bank thing, if you look at C. Falcon's sounds in sound test, you can find the sound effects for Ganon's Wizard Foot attack. You can also find unused announcer clips in there, such as the announcer saying "Fighting Wire Frames!", "Master Hand!", and "How to Play!". This game is a mess lol
Hal "labratory" is spelled incorrectly as labratory.
I dunno, but I think they fixed the english language there.
The Kanji for valley 「谷」(tani) is used in the Japanese text for majora's mask. It happened to be translated literally in the trophy description
There is a glitch where if you keep on reflecting the red shell over and over with mario, he will eventually "break" his cape. The cape will stay visible in his hand the whole match.
The definition of happy accidents.
Another interesting one when you switch the game to Japanese:
The Character Select Screen announcer will say Koopa! For Bowser, and Purring! For Jigglypuff. Their name tags reflect this.
That isn't a mistake. Bowser is called Koopa in Japan, and Jigglypuff is called Purin.
@@samuelalphabet5360 I didn't say mistake, just an add on for switching it to Japanese (maybe leftover)
Even 20 years later, this will always be my favorite Smash Title ❤️
(2:40) > _"This issue would be present in the series much longer than the ability heal"_
That is, for just one more game:
Melee (2): All-Star introduced
Brawl (3): healing exploit fixed
3DS/Wii U (4/5): self-damaging prevented
The tone used concerning the third eye.
Yes i finally found this channel again I'm so happy to find this vid in my recommend
Is this a reupload? Because I feel like I've seen them talk about the same trophy mistakes a long time ago.
Roy damaging himself in the rest area has to be one of the most redundant oversights
My theory is Marth and Roy are secretly trees.
You're right, Marth's grab really was a mistake.
Ah, the Wispy Marth/Roy glitch...
I fucking noticed this weird shit happening when I played as a kid and now I finally have closure!
This is one of the few games I still have for my GameCube along with Custom Robo and Super Mario sunshine classics
What happened to all your other games?
@@elblazemonkey1 moving as a kid from Seattle to Texas I lost a bunch of stuff from my childhood I wish I could just have back
@@WiredFLIPxNASTY That's unfortunate, I lost a few games when moving from Cali to Nevada too, it sucks.
Did you know?
They're called overalls.
"dungarees" lmao
It's almost like different countries have different words for stuff.
Dungarees > overalls
happy 20th anniversary super smash bros. melee!!! :3
favorite mistake is still princess daisy's 3rd eye.
I have a theory why Roy and g&w are so broken. If the ultimate roster is correct, these were the final 2 characters to enter production. Due to their eleventh hour inclusion, there was literally not enough time to make them work properly.
That’s not very specific.
At some point, I wanted to compile fixes to mistakes found by the community into a patch, starting with moveset-stuff, etc. I used the Pal-rom as basis because NTSC is pretty bugged. The tool corrupts Pal-kirby tho, which is why the project was basically instantly cancelled without major announcement.
Melee just refuses to be fully fixed.
20 years later still somehow the best game ever made
Eh
@@alysssabear eh what?
Facts
Every subsequent Smash game is better than Melee.
Don't @ me.
@@justinnzamora5366 They've gotten progressively worse lmao
I remember the master hand glitch, you had to put in button combinations to do his moves. I always thought it was cool they even had his move set mapped out
Okay, this explains the grab joke in TerminalMontage’s newest video! 😆
Not exactly. The Marth grab joke is because in Melee, Marth's (and since he was based off of Marth, Roy as well) standing grab is one of the largest grab boxes in the game. There's a classic video showcasing Marth's grab even outrangibg Yoshi's standing grab.
@@JAMllostthegame it doesn’t outrange yoshi’s grab. It’s just that yoshi’s grab was misaligned and couldn’t grab thin characters
@@shrike_8136 You're thinking of Yoshi's dash grab which is known to go into the Z-axis and is why it doesn't grab thin characters. There's a popular video of Axe showcasing this titled something along the lines of "Smash is a 3D game."
That first glitch with Whispy and the swordies is so damn specific I genuinely don't know how people even found that out. Two characters on one stage at a specific time with two frames? How the FUCK?
I wonder the heck people found out about the Master Hand Glitch in the first place.
I love melee :) good game that I made so many friends from :)
Please cover the black hole glitch I loved that
“There are no mistakes, just happy accidents.”
― Bob Ross on Melee
Wasn't expect a smash bros. video. Can't wait for the new fighter reveal during tomorrow's Nintendo Direct!
And yet there are still so many people who praise this game as the perfect installment, despite some real gameplay-relevant bugs.
Them addressing the platforms on Hyrule Temple stage just relieved me from years of torment.
The real mistake was the friends we made along the way
wait
Well, considering last year's July, it's not wrong.
The Name Entry Glitch can actually be done with a single controller. Hold down the B button to go back and then hit the A button at just the right time, and it can work. It's more difficult than the two controller method, but it is still entirely possible.
Terminalmontage: *makes video*
DYKG: Yes.
... what
Terminalmontage is always a parallel universe ahead us
The reason doctor mario is “a tad slower” is because all of his aerial attacks have more landing lag, other than that the characters are complete clones movement wise
ahh so that's where the joke in terminal montage's subspace emissary came from
which one?
I'm assuming the grab
Super Smash Bros Melee has alot of Glitches but still a fun game. Thanks for the video DIdyouKnowGaming it's great knowledge.
Be warry, Daisy is watching... 👁
Hearing asumsaus be mentioned made me smile
Melee is a mess but it’s our mess we love it from the horrible grabs in the game to the crazy tech in the game
Tbh thought it would be more of gameplay mistakes like Marth's grab range and the such, but it is very interesting to see all these mistakes here
I don’t think being able to hurt yourself in the rest area is necessarily an oversight. It may have been changed in later games, but at the time they probably just figured it’s on the player if they choose to give themself a disadvantage for some reason.
I thought this was gonna be a whole video on the history and creation of Super Smash Bros. Melee and how it brought forth the majority of the competitive community.
Extreme nitpicking is actually entertaining, who knew?
Always loved Melee, childhood memories
Thankfully we do live in a time that stuff like this can get patched.
That's a double edged sword. For pure bugs like the Whispy bug sure, but Melee as we know it would not exist if Nintendo got their dirty hands on it after release. Same goes for a lot of fighting games that are over patched.
I think in the case of fighting games I think patches are for the better but for things handled by the Smash dev team looking at the European patches for 64 and Melee they were prob worse version of the games to play imo
even to this day Ultimate has a lot of changes that makes me scratch my head that were either unecessary or just worse for the games meta (not to say there arent any good balance changes) but thats kinda subjective all in all
AsumSaus should’ve voiced this one!!
"more deadlier" lol
This is capturing _ridiculous_ detail 😱