Yeah with this fight its pretty clear that the old legends arent gonna win a 1v1 against current top tiers in their prime, same happened with rayleigh admitting he would lose against BB, obviously they can still keep up but they'll eventually lose, their stamina not being as good as before and all that.
True but unlike Rayleigh who was really having a hard time holding off kizaru garp was actually landing shots and putting a real fight even taking the edge sometimes against kuzan someone who was facing akainu for 3 straight days not to mention this kuzan is 2 years post marineford what makes him way stronger while garp will only get weaker from marineford and from now on. And at the end of the day i have a feeling both had a hardtime facing each other because kuzan can’t kill him it’s not confirmed but I don’t see kuzan killing garp and the same for garp I don’t see him killing kuzan even kuzan said it and knew it was a hard choice for garp old student or new student and we saw kuzan being hurt to when garp was down
@@theycallmejay2310 yea gotta factor that kuzan was holding back and weavering cuz garp was his mentor, doubt akainu would hold back against garp for example😂
@@orbboom6119 fax but I don’t see garp holding back against akainu either 😂😭 he doesn’t like his justice he doesn’t like what he did to kuzan he doesn’t like the fact that akainu tries to end the monkey D bloodline and his trauma will kick in im telling you a bloodlusted garp who was almost risking it all at marineford and wanted to penetrate akainu his ass is scarier than a bloodlusted kuzan because we know what kuzan can do even if kuzan won against akainu he wouldn’t kill him kuzan ain’t bad he is one of the best characters out there same goes for garp but garp is different he will do everything for his familie he literally told sengoku you better keep holding me because otherwise im gonna kill him like first things first I don’t see kizaru staying as admiral for long bro is broken sad at this point fujitora will get fired if not leave he doesn’t care about akainu his orders and knows what’s good and what’s not greenbull is just akainu his dog and kuzan who spared Saul robin is obviously sparing garp like there is 0 chance of him ending garp dragon is annihilating the WG day in day out and is now close to a real war like they declared war started taking action and shit luffy is whooping elders here and there while having vegapunk BB is planning something crazy again shanks is going after BB dragon is waiting for the god knights like the balance is already gone I don’t even see garp being a marine anymore after this incident I won’t be suprised if he joins his son undercover and makes the world think he is dead or something same for kuzan I don’t see him join BB for make him the king of the pirates 😂😭 he is there to smoke BB if not a revolutionary spy since the RVA is perfectly balanced between pirates and WG marines. Their sense of justice is like kuzan his and they will face the WG so the chance is big for kuzan to take his revenge when he faces akainu somewhere
@@orbboom6119that logic makes no sense because you could say the same for Garp. This is why I don’t like Silvers video any time you can “imply” Aoikiji was holding back Garp could be too that’s his student. Why wouldn’t garp hold back?
With this fight its the opposite and its clear that the old legends in their prime slams the current top tiers in 1v1 (maybe except gorosei depending how they turn out)
this video is really good overall but j thjnk the whole discussion of garp not losing power in old age is silly. hes like 82 years old obviousky he isnt going to be as strong as he was in his prime. calling the claim thst he is weaker an “unprovable knowledge claim” is taking everything way too serious and exhibiting some clear powerscaling brainrot. we know that aging still affects characters in one piece. oda saying in the sbs that garp “retained power” simply means that he retained power. he is still strong, which we all know. ir doesnt explicitly state that he is exactly as strong as he was literally 50-60 years ago.
@@HpyktxdThat’s a mistranslation. Anyone who reads that will automatically think he’s 50% weaker when that’s not the case. The real translation is him saying “I’ve really lost my touch… hahahaha…” which one can say that Garp is implying that he’s only become rusty. Nothing to do with him getting physically weaker. At the end of the day, his Haki and AP is still the same as it was during his Prime days.
@@killer-_-bthemarkedwarrior2562 Yes, Garp's new vivre card comfirmed this. It says he has kept training; Kuzan's flashback with the battleship training shows that Garp's strength has remained the same over the years. Even a native Japanese made a video and confirmed that the vivre card translation is correct; Garp's prime strength is intact. Intact means that while not exactly the same, overalll, it hasn't suffered drastic decline.
Would love to invite you on to the one piece of mind platform to discuss this. I don’t believe the power scaling as much in either direction (I’ve no problem with Aokiji being stronger than current garp) however I do believe that this “fight” was anything but I’m still under the impression that garp and aokiji both understood their assignments , garp saying “today will strike fear into all pirates in the future , you’re all the future of the marines” I think he meant Kuzan too. Kuzan would have had it drilled into his head on what to do in the scenario of old man and kid on island surrounded by beasts what do you do. Kuzan did what garp told him to do I think this was less a fight and more a graduation exam. Only time will tell ! Dope analysis
2nd comment: I think the purpose of Garp vs Kuzan was actually to highlight Coby's strengths being more akin to his teacher rather than Kuzan's. We see that Kuzan failed Garp in the sense that Kuzan has betrayed the marines. While Kuzan admires Garp, he is not cut from the same cloth. Coby on the other hand is cut from the same cloth. This is why his Honesty Impact was an emulation of Garp's Galaxy Impact. This fight was to double down on Kaido's claim that Haki reignd supreme over devil fruits. Remember during the battleship bag training between Garp and Kuzan... Garp told Kuzan no powers or haki even though Kuzan had no haki at the point. Kuzan, while proficient in haki, is more of a master of and favors his devil fruit. His attacks however, proved to be useless towards a haki master like Garp who solely relies on haki. Kuzan being someone who wavers in conviction is a great metaphor for how he wavers between using his devil fruit and haki to attack. Garp and Kuzan's clash of Ice Glove and Haki enhanced fist accentuates that Kuzan felt inferior to Garp's haki. He felt like he needed to add more armor (ice in this case) to his fist to be able to match Garp's haki fist. Coby is the protege that Garp was looking for. That's why Garp laughed when he saw Coby's Honesty Impact. It was proof that haki does reign supreme and where Kuzan wavered in conviction ( maybe because he has a powerful logia fo fall back on), Coby will not waver. Haki reigns supreme is thr motif of this clash. Respectfully my opinion
It’s definitely shows he could hang with garps punches while garp literally took more damage then akoji garp haki and raw stats surpass any first division commander
However, there’s also the exposure of Garp’s naivety in trusting the world government despite knowing of its corruption and hating celestial dragons (and Egghead currently is showing how evil the government is). Kazan knows how evil the government is, and Blackbeard offers him the chance to pursue a Justice he couldn’t achieve with the world government.
@@bgvo4373 You're further emphasizing why Garp and Coby are cut from the same cloth while Kuzan is not, so I do agree. As naive as Garp is, he was still able to pursue his sense of justice by not becoming an admiral and via S.W.O.R.D. Remember, Garp was not permitted to go rescue Coby. He did that out of his own accord. If Kuzan stayed with the marines he could have pursued his own sense of justice with S.W.O.R.D.
Too much bias here in this one Silver. I got to the 13min mark and I already know how the vid will end. But it was well put together nonetheless. My take... Garp overpowered Kuzan to the extent of being able to save his followers but also was able to overpower other Blackbeard commanders amidst the fray. On the other hand, Kuzan had to focus entirely on Garp during their battle and still got overpowered in their clashes despite having his team of experienced pirates aiming for Garp, on top of Garp specifically being there to rescue and not fight. Kuzan and Blackbeard pirates were aiming to take Garp down while Garp was aiming to save his comrades. So even if Kuzan and Blackbeard Pirates overpowered Garp in a dominant fashion, I'd still give the benefit of the doubt during this encounter to Garp over Kuzan. The fact that Garp fought at that much of a disadvantaged and actually overpowered each foe he came across, including Kuzan (chucking him into the ground deep enough to where Garp had enough time to skip across the island, take out Sanjuan and Avalo and make his way back to the fight is just something that can't be understated) suggests that Garp was the stronger fighter. Again this is me writing before I finish the video so I may come back to edit afterwards but I can almost guarantee the end consensus of this analysis based off the bias language used is going to greatly favor Kuzan over Garp. My question is why wouldn't your language paint Garp in the better light (considering your analyzing using bias), over Kuzan due to the fact that Garp was fighting heavily disadvantaged? Shouldn't your language suggest that Garp gets the benefit of the doubt in this instance of Garp vs Kuzan? Edit: Also after Kuzan Ice Glove enhanced fist traded blows with Garp's haki enhanced fist, Garp was clearly holding his stomach still. He was definitely limited at that point which is why after the fact he accepted that he was fighting a losing battle. Also panel where Kuzan got blitzed. He definitely was shocked by the text "!!!" He prolly just didn't think Garp could still move like that with his wounds. Great video again!
A holding back garp was slamming and ragdolling aokiji while protecting his crew, evacuating civilians, fighting an island worth of pirates and aokiji not being his main objective. Garp already proved he is superior to aokiji by off screening aokiji in chapter 1087 when he wasn’t shown as garp was fighting the other commanders later on he appeared in which garp replied "you still wanna go kuzan?!" which means he packed him up and off screened him (i dont think it was blue hole cuz garp had bruises on his face which indicates physical damage and aokiji was the only brawler we knew there. Also aokiji seemed messed up all over his body even on the front while in blue hole he fell on his back) and if it was really blue hole then that proofs the point even further cuz it means garp one shot him while holding back (he could have easily used a punch or a galaxy attack point blank on his face instead he simply chocked slammed him.) every encounter they had garp had the upper hand. He was still superior to aokiji despite holding back against him, aokiji not being his main objective, protecting his crew and evacuating civilians/slaves while fighting an entire island of yonko territory. EDIT: thats not the only time he held back against aokiji as when they clashed in 1087 he could have used ACOC+a named attack but he did neither. Before attacking pizaro he could have used a galaxy attack on aokiji's face or any attack yet instead he simply rammed and aokiji got pushed.
@@rafiki4191 The holding back thing is just bullshit cope, garp values the current generation over the past, he talks about the future of the marines multiple times. Also, the idea of either kuzan or garp holding back here is just ridiculous, unless you think that garp mid diffs kuzan or vice versa, there is no way either one is holding back to such a large extent that it is really affecting the scaling. What we got from this fight is that garp managed to hold his own, damage kuzan and for the most part match kuzan blow for blow, despite a stab wound. What we understand from this fight is that garp is equal in speed and AP to a fresh kuzan, even after being stabbed, however he would lose even without the presence of the other blackbeard pirates, he was clearly going to reach 0 hp before kuzan due to the stab. It's not clear if garp would lose if he didn't get stabbed and it was a clean 1v1. Since all we saw is that they were matching each other blow for blow. I am not buying the Garp > Kuzan, as there is no definitive evidence for this.
@@michaeldavis6993 the garp holding back thing is a fact proven in the manga, denying is the only cope here. All that garp explained is that a youngster is more important than a geezer cuz the geezer is gonna expire soon and the youngster has a lifetime to do many things. he didn't specify about any generation let alone the "current generation". Other than that he just said that that coby and the others are the future of the marines and it's not a rocket science cuz his time and era is already over and coby is his successor. This has nothing to do with my point either way. "garp is equal in speed and ap to a fresh kuzan" totally untrue. Aokiji was nowhere equal in speed and ap to garp. he got effortlessly blitzed twice and one of them garp was weakened. He hasn't shown anything to be relative to garp's speed. An aokiji that was using his fruit+a named attack clashed equally with a weakened garp like you mentioned that didn't use a named attack or ACOC. Overall they dont have equal speed or ap at all. "however he would loose even without the blackbeard pirates". Without the blackbeard pirates occupying garp he would have sailed and left the island long ago. He already slammed aokiji WITH the BB pirates being present. Shiryu which is a BB member is the reason for garp getting weakened and the reason aokiji was able to attack garp at that moment instead of getting overpowered. You literally said garp would reach 0 hp before aokiji due to the stab which is an interference from a BB pirate. No one is forcing you to buy garp>aokiji my friend, its up to you to take it or leave it. The manga is enough evidence to show garp>aokiji if people read while paying attention with no bias.
@@michaeldavis6993 the garp holding back thing is a fact proven in the manga, denying is the only cope here. All that garp explained is that a youngster is more important than an old guy cuz the grandpa will expire soon and the youngster has a lifetime to do many things. he didn't specify about any generation let alone the "current generation". Other than that he just said that that coby and the others are the future of the marines and it's not a rocket science cuz his time and era is already over and coby is his successor. This has nothing to do with my point either way. "garp is equal in speed and ap to a fresh kuzan". Aokiji was nowhere equal in speed and ap to garp. he got effortlessly blitzed twice and one of them garp was weakened. He hasn't shown anything to be relative to garp's speed. An aokiji that was using his fruit+a named attack clashed equally with a weakened garp like you mentioned that didn't use a named attack or ACOC. Overall they dont have equal speed or ap at all. "however he would loose even without the blackbeard pirates". Without the blackbeard pirates occupying garp he would have sailed and left the island long ago. He already slammed aokiji WITH the BB pirates being present. Shiryu which is a BB member is the reason for garp getting weakened and the reason aokiji was able to attack garp at that moment instead of getting overpowered. You literally said garp would reach 0 hp before aokiji due to the stab which is an interference from a BB pirate. No one is forcing you to buy garp>aokiji my friend, its up to you to take it or leave it. The manga is enough evidence to show garp>aokiji if people read while paying attention with no bias.
@@michaeldavis6993 the garp holding back thing is a fact proven in the manga, denying is the only cope here. All that garp explained is that a youngster is more important than an old guy cuz the grandpa will expire soon and the youngster has a lifetime to do many things. he didn't specify about any generation let alone the "current generation". Other than that he just said that that coby and the others are the future of the marines and it's not a rocket science cuz his time and era is already over and coby is his successor. This has nothing to do with my point either way. "garp is equal in speed and ap to a fresh kuzan". Aokiji was nowhere equal in speed and ap to garp. he got effortlessly blitzed twice and one of them garp was weakened. He hasn't shown anything to be relative to garp's speed. An aokiji that was using his fruit+a named attack clashed equally with a weakened garp like you mentioned that didn't use a named attack or ACOC. Overall they dont have equal speed or ap at all. "however he would loose even without the blackbeard pirates". Without the blackbeard pirates occupying garp he would have sailed and left the island long ago. He already slammed aokiji WITH the BB pirates being present. Shiryu which is a BB member is the reason for garp getting weakened and the reason aokiji was able to attack garp at that moment instead of getting overpowered. You literally said garp would reach 0 hp before aokiji due to the stab which is an interference from a BB pirate. No one is forcing you to buy garp>aokiji my friend, its up to you to take it or leave it. The manga is enough evidence to show garp>aokiji if people read while paying attention with no bias.
I hold that looking at the power of Sengoku, who is most likely beyond Garp's level, the Admirals themselves all have to have power that rivals if not exceeds Garp at least as far as the original 3 Admirals are concerned. Then we pair up that Kuzan takes hits from Garp that were leveling islands and bro gets back up each time just looked scuffed up. Then we have to remember that the last arc had some heavy theming surrounding "can you unalive your friends" for the Admirals. Akainu couldn't do it to Kuzan, Kizaru could barely bring himself to take out Vega Punk, and Kuzan couldn't bring himself to actually take out Garp. The conversation that Kuzan has with Blackbeard in the end after the fight is done Kuzan is saying he really was trying to unalive Garp, but he trails off while pushing up his glasses. Blackbeard is the one who says that Kuzan had trouble because Garp is too strong, not Kuzan. Kuzan couldn't bring himself to unalive Garp.
I mean, if you just look at their fight here, you can clearly tell that Garp was winning and lost due to previous injuries. He was impaled before they even began to fight. If Garp was 100% against Kuzan here, I don't believe Kuzan would be the last one standing. I do think they still would've brought Garp down though eventually.
@@dannyboy5564 If you look closely at the fight, you'll see how Aokiji was holding back the entire time. He let the old man get his shots in and tanked every last one of them.
That's like the most stupidest saying Garp is literally dying , why the won't he go fully out to protect coby who was like like marine version of ace and luffy
@@faith4657 yeah Kuzan wasn't holding back either, he's literally shown shedding tears at the end of the battle. You'd be calling Garp a horrible teacher if his student didn't surpass him 😂
@@cineroustit was personally trained under Garp and got stronger by having a 10 DAY fight with akainu along with 2 years on top of that. The fight was a bad representation of his strength because he was mentally weak and was handicapped as he couldn’t use his logia to affect the island
4:10 i disagree, from what i've seen in the story, the only people that can break out of being frozen are conquerors haki users. not a single person without that has been shown to counter being frozen. sorry oda, i know you're the author of the story...but it is just stupid to say they haven't lost strength with age.. even more so when several old legends all say in some way they are weaker than they used to be....
Typical of Oda... Saying Mihawk is the strongest of all Swordsmen while there is Shanks (who's secretly a Hakiman), who's in strength this generation's Roger... Or when he says Kaido is the strongest creature, where in the Kaido (+ Cosmetic Big Mom with a naturally floating island) vs Luffy (+ almost twenty other people as Cosmetics) fight Luffy defeated Kaido... Oda so silly for not knowing things about his own story, One Piece...
@@enigma2055If you read the situation properly you'll know that Kuzan is saying that to prevent any suspicion from the Blackbeard pirates. The crew members might not like it to the point of trying to betray him, and so that's why Kuzan doesn't want to take any risks. Not to mention Kuzan shows concern for Garp mid fight, which is where Garp off guarded him, punched him into the ground and went and did a named attack on Pizzaro. Aokiji matched Garp's punch with ACOC while holding back and not having ACOC himself. (He may) So yeah, Kuzan saying it himself is irrelevant since IT'S obvious he's trying to not seem full of himself or the chances of getting betrayed are high.
This is not even mentioning Aokiji is a confirmed EOS character, so his power needs to be RIDICULOUSLY broken if he has a huge role EOS, definitely greater than Old Garp.
Prime garp beat kuzan high diff,kuzan beat old garp high diff,pts kuzan best old garp extreme diff,prime garp best old garp mid diff so garp could really just be half as strong as prime but great vid and your right silver keep it up .
Already Stated in the Manga that a younger kuzan was equally footing prime Garp. Kuzan is like Garp but with OP fruit, better durability, endurance, Stamina and IQ as well and his more flexible playing a big role in the final saga. AKAINU>kuzan>Prime Garp
@Unknown-x4k5x delusional stated already in the manga that they were equal don't tell me your more accurate than the manga itself and in Akainu>Kuzan>=prime garp
I think garp beats him in skills garp prime garp beats him but I think do to him fighting with subordinates and it was a rescue mission and he doesn’t have anyone who can actually fight the powerhouses on Blackbeard crew I think iceman got this mid diff his age does factor in look at the dark king
I don’t agree with the Pokémon analogy tbh we seen characters get weaker from fatigue in one piece luffy states katakuri was and Yamato states kaido was but w video
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Yeah with this fight its pretty clear that the old legends arent gonna win a 1v1 against current top tiers in their prime, same happened with rayleigh admitting he would lose against BB, obviously they can still keep up but they'll eventually lose, their stamina not being as good as before and all that.
True but unlike Rayleigh who was really having a hard time holding off kizaru garp was actually landing shots and putting a real fight even taking the edge sometimes against kuzan someone who was facing akainu for 3 straight days not to mention this kuzan is 2 years post marineford what makes him way stronger while garp will only get weaker from marineford and from now on. And at the end of the day i have a feeling both had a hardtime facing each other because kuzan can’t kill him it’s not confirmed but I don’t see kuzan killing garp and the same for garp I don’t see him killing kuzan even kuzan said it and knew it was a hard choice for garp old student or new student and we saw kuzan being hurt to when garp was down
@@theycallmejay2310 yea gotta factor that kuzan was holding back and weavering cuz garp was his mentor, doubt akainu would hold back against garp for example😂
@@orbboom6119 fax but I don’t see garp holding back against akainu either 😂😭 he doesn’t like his justice he doesn’t like what he did to kuzan he doesn’t like the fact that akainu tries to end the monkey D bloodline and his trauma will kick in im telling you a bloodlusted garp who was almost risking it all at marineford and wanted to penetrate akainu his ass is scarier than a bloodlusted kuzan because we know what kuzan can do even if kuzan won against akainu he wouldn’t kill him kuzan ain’t bad he is one of the best characters out there same goes for garp but garp is different he will do everything for his familie he literally told sengoku you better keep holding me because otherwise im gonna kill him like first things first I don’t see kizaru staying as admiral for long bro is broken sad at this point fujitora will get fired if not leave he doesn’t care about akainu his orders and knows what’s good and what’s not greenbull is just akainu his dog and kuzan who spared Saul robin is obviously sparing garp like there is 0 chance of him ending garp dragon is annihilating the WG day in day out and is now close to a real war like they declared war started taking action and shit luffy is whooping elders here and there while having vegapunk BB is planning something crazy again shanks is going after BB dragon is waiting for the god knights like the balance is already gone I don’t even see garp being a marine anymore after this incident I won’t be suprised if he joins his son undercover and makes the world think he is dead or something same for kuzan I don’t see him join BB for make him the king of the pirates 😂😭 he is there to smoke BB if not a revolutionary spy since the RVA is perfectly balanced between pirates and WG marines. Their sense of justice is like kuzan his and they will face the WG so the chance is big for kuzan to take his revenge when he faces akainu somewhere
@@orbboom6119that logic makes no sense because you could say the same for Garp. This is why I don’t like Silvers video any time you can “imply” Aoikiji was holding back Garp could be too that’s his student. Why wouldn’t garp hold back?
With this fight its the opposite and its clear that the old legends in their prime slams the current top tiers in 1v1 (maybe except gorosei depending how they turn out)
this video is really good overall but j thjnk the whole discussion of garp not losing power in old age is silly. hes like 82 years old obviousky he isnt going to be as strong as he was in his prime. calling the claim thst he is weaker an “unprovable knowledge claim” is taking everything way too serious and exhibiting some clear powerscaling brainrot. we know that aging still affects characters in one piece. oda saying in the sbs that garp “retained power” simply means that he retained power. he is still strong, which we all know. ir doesnt explicitly state that he is exactly as strong as he was literally 50-60 years ago.
@@HpyktxdThat’s a mistranslation. Anyone who reads that will automatically think he’s 50% weaker when that’s not the case. The real translation is him saying “I’ve really lost my touch… hahahaha…” which one can say that Garp is implying that he’s only become rusty. Nothing to do with him getting physically weaker.
At the end of the day, his Haki and AP is still the same as it was during his Prime days.
@@killer-_-bthemarkedwarrior2562 Yes, Garp's new vivre card comfirmed this. It says he has kept training; Kuzan's flashback with the battleship training shows that Garp's strength has remained the same over the years.
Even a native Japanese made a video and confirmed that the vivre card translation is correct; Garp's prime strength is intact. Intact means that while not exactly the same, overalll, it hasn't suffered drastic decline.
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Was it dizzy or ham who said that bar
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Would love to invite you on to the one piece of mind platform to discuss this.
I don’t believe the power scaling as much in either direction (I’ve no problem with Aokiji being stronger than current garp) however I do believe that this “fight” was anything but I’m still under the impression that garp and aokiji both understood their assignments , garp saying “today will strike fear into all pirates in the future , you’re all the future of the marines” I think he meant Kuzan too. Kuzan would have had it drilled into his head on what to do in the scenario of old man and kid on island surrounded by beasts what do you do. Kuzan did what garp told him to do I think this was less a fight and more a graduation exam. Only time will tell ! Dope analysis
2nd comment: I think the purpose of Garp vs Kuzan was actually to highlight Coby's strengths being more akin to his teacher rather than Kuzan's.
We see that Kuzan failed Garp in the sense that Kuzan has betrayed the marines. While Kuzan admires Garp, he is not cut from the same cloth. Coby on the other hand is cut from the same cloth. This is why his Honesty Impact was an emulation of Garp's Galaxy Impact.
This fight was to double down on Kaido's claim that Haki reignd supreme over devil fruits. Remember during the battleship bag training between Garp and Kuzan... Garp told Kuzan no powers or haki even though Kuzan had no haki at the point.
Kuzan, while proficient in haki, is more of a master of and favors his devil fruit. His attacks however, proved to be useless towards a haki master like Garp who solely relies on haki.
Kuzan being someone who wavers in conviction is a great metaphor for how he wavers between using his devil fruit and haki to attack. Garp and Kuzan's clash of Ice Glove and Haki enhanced fist accentuates that Kuzan felt inferior to Garp's haki. He felt like he needed to add more armor (ice in this case) to his fist to be able to match Garp's haki fist.
Coby is the protege that Garp was looking for. That's why Garp laughed when he saw Coby's Honesty Impact. It was proof that haki does reign supreme and where Kuzan wavered in conviction ( maybe because he has a powerful logia fo fall back on), Coby will not waver.
Haki reigns supreme is thr motif of this clash. Respectfully my opinion
Good comment
It’s definitely shows he could hang with garps punches while garp literally took more damage then akoji garp haki and raw stats surpass any first division commander
However, there’s also the exposure of Garp’s naivety in trusting the world government despite knowing of its corruption and hating celestial dragons (and Egghead currently is showing how evil the government is). Kazan knows how evil the government is, and Blackbeard offers him the chance to pursue a Justice he couldn’t achieve with the world government.
@@bgvo4373 You're further emphasizing why Garp and Coby are cut from the same cloth while Kuzan is not, so I do agree.
As naive as Garp is, he was still able to pursue his sense of justice by not becoming an admiral and via S.W.O.R.D. Remember, Garp was not permitted to go rescue Coby. He did that out of his own accord.
If Kuzan stayed with the marines he could have pursued his own sense of justice with S.W.O.R.D.
Nice opinion
can u make a video debunking Kaido strongest statements and narrative, I'm interested in seeing your take on it
u just have to argue the term “creature” to be distinct from humans
" During the battles on hachinosu , he went down after received two blows and one stab . To be precise . "
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Too much bias here in this one Silver. I got to the 13min mark and I already know how the vid will end. But it was well put together nonetheless.
My take...
Garp overpowered Kuzan to the extent of being able to save his followers but also was able to overpower other Blackbeard commanders amidst the fray.
On the other hand, Kuzan had to focus entirely on Garp during their battle and still got overpowered in their clashes despite having his team of experienced pirates aiming for Garp, on top of Garp specifically being there to rescue and not fight.
Kuzan and Blackbeard pirates were aiming to take Garp down while Garp was aiming to save his comrades. So even if Kuzan and Blackbeard Pirates overpowered Garp in a dominant fashion, I'd still give the benefit of the doubt during this encounter to Garp over Kuzan.
The fact that Garp fought at that much of a disadvantaged and actually overpowered each foe he came across, including Kuzan (chucking him into the ground deep enough to where Garp had enough time to skip across the island, take out Sanjuan and Avalo and make his way back to the fight is just something that can't be understated) suggests that Garp was the stronger fighter.
Again this is me writing before I finish the video so I may come back to edit afterwards but I can almost guarantee the end consensus of this analysis based off the bias language used is going to greatly favor Kuzan over Garp.
My question is why wouldn't your language paint Garp in the better light (considering your analyzing using bias), over Kuzan due to the fact that Garp was fighting heavily disadvantaged? Shouldn't your language suggest that Garp gets the benefit of the doubt in this instance of Garp vs Kuzan?
Edit: Also after Kuzan Ice Glove enhanced fist traded blows with Garp's haki enhanced fist, Garp was clearly holding his stomach still. He was definitely limited at that point which is why after the fact he accepted that he was fighting a losing battle.
Also panel where Kuzan got blitzed. He definitely was shocked by the text "!!!" He prolly just didn't think Garp could still move like that with his wounds.
Great video again!
A holding back garp was slamming and ragdolling aokiji while protecting his crew, evacuating civilians, fighting an island worth of pirates and aokiji not being his main objective.
Garp already proved he is superior to aokiji by off screening aokiji in chapter 1087 when he wasn’t shown as garp was fighting the other commanders later on he appeared in which garp replied "you still wanna go kuzan?!" which means he packed him up and off screened him (i dont think it was blue hole cuz garp had bruises on his face which indicates physical damage and aokiji was the only brawler we knew there. Also aokiji seemed messed up all over his body even on the front while in blue hole he fell on his back) and if it was really blue hole then that proofs the point even further cuz it means garp one shot him while holding back (he could have easily used a punch or a galaxy attack point blank on his face instead he simply chocked slammed him.) every encounter they had garp had the upper hand. He was still superior to aokiji despite holding back against him, aokiji not being his main objective, protecting his crew and evacuating civilians/slaves while fighting an entire island of yonko territory.
EDIT: thats not the only time he held back against aokiji as when they clashed in 1087 he could have used ACOC+a named attack but he did neither. Before attacking pizaro he could have used a galaxy attack on aokiji's face or any attack yet instead he simply rammed and aokiji got pushed.
@@rafiki4191
The holding back thing is just bullshit cope, garp values the current generation over the past, he talks about the future of the marines multiple times. Also, the idea of either kuzan or garp holding back here is just ridiculous, unless you think that garp mid diffs kuzan or vice versa, there is no way either one is holding back to such a large extent that it is really affecting the scaling. What we got from this fight is that garp managed to hold his own, damage kuzan and for the most part match kuzan blow for blow, despite a stab wound.
What we understand from this fight is that garp is equal in speed and AP to a fresh kuzan, even after being stabbed, however he would lose even without the presence of the other blackbeard pirates, he was clearly going to reach 0 hp before kuzan due to the stab.
It's not clear if garp would lose if he didn't get stabbed and it was a clean 1v1. Since all we saw is that they were matching each other blow for blow.
I am not buying the Garp > Kuzan, as there is no definitive evidence for this.
@@michaeldavis6993 the garp holding back thing is a fact proven in the manga, denying is the only cope here. All that garp explained is that a youngster is more important than a geezer cuz the geezer is gonna expire soon and the youngster has a lifetime to do many things. he didn't specify about any generation let alone the "current generation". Other than that he just said that that coby and the others are the future of the marines and it's not a rocket science cuz his time and era is already over and coby is his successor. This has nothing to do with my point either way.
"garp is equal in speed and ap to a fresh kuzan" totally untrue. Aokiji was nowhere equal in speed and ap to garp. he got effortlessly blitzed twice and one of them garp was weakened. He hasn't shown anything to be relative to garp's speed. An aokiji that was using his fruit+a named attack clashed equally with a weakened garp like you mentioned that didn't use a named attack or ACOC. Overall they dont have equal speed or ap at all.
"however he would loose even without the blackbeard pirates". Without the blackbeard pirates occupying garp he would have sailed and left the island long ago. He already slammed aokiji WITH the BB pirates being present. Shiryu which is a BB member is the reason for garp getting weakened and the reason aokiji was able to attack garp at that moment instead of getting overpowered. You literally said garp would reach 0 hp before aokiji due to the stab which is an interference from a BB pirate.
No one is forcing you to buy garp>aokiji my friend, its up to you to take it or leave it. The manga is enough evidence to show garp>aokiji if people read while paying attention with no bias.
@@michaeldavis6993 the garp holding back thing is a fact proven in the manga, denying is the only cope here. All that garp explained is that a youngster is more important than an old guy cuz the grandpa will expire soon and the youngster has a lifetime to do many things. he didn't specify about any generation let alone the "current generation". Other than that he just said that that coby and the others are the future of the marines and it's not a rocket science cuz his time and era is already over and coby is his successor. This has nothing to do with my point either way.
"garp is equal in speed and ap to a fresh kuzan". Aokiji was nowhere equal in speed and ap to garp. he got effortlessly blitzed twice and one of them garp was weakened. He hasn't shown anything to be relative to garp's speed. An aokiji that was using his fruit+a named attack clashed equally with a weakened garp like you mentioned that didn't use a named attack or ACOC. Overall they dont have equal speed or ap at all.
"however he would loose even without the blackbeard pirates". Without the blackbeard pirates occupying garp he would have sailed and left the island long ago. He already slammed aokiji WITH the BB pirates being present. Shiryu which is a BB member is the reason for garp getting weakened and the reason aokiji was able to attack garp at that moment instead of getting overpowered. You literally said garp would reach 0 hp before aokiji due to the stab which is an interference from a BB pirate.
No one is forcing you to buy garp>aokiji my friend, its up to you to take it or leave it. The manga is enough evidence to show garp>aokiji if people read while paying attention with no bias.
@@michaeldavis6993 the garp holding back thing is a fact proven in the manga, denying is the only cope here. All that garp explained is that a youngster is more important than an old guy cuz the grandpa will expire soon and the youngster has a lifetime to do many things. he didn't specify about any generation let alone the "current generation". Other than that he just said that that coby and the others are the future of the marines and it's not a rocket science cuz his time and era is already over and coby is his successor. This has nothing to do with my point either way.
"garp is equal in speed and ap to a fresh kuzan". Aokiji was nowhere equal in speed and ap to garp. he got effortlessly blitzed twice and one of them garp was weakened. He hasn't shown anything to be relative to garp's speed. An aokiji that was using his fruit+a named attack clashed equally with a weakened garp like you mentioned that didn't use a named attack or ACOC. Overall they dont have equal speed or ap at all.
"however he would loose even without the blackbeard pirates". Without the blackbeard pirates occupying garp he would have sailed and left the island long ago. He already slammed aokiji WITH the BB pirates being present. Shiryu which is a BB member is the reason for garp getting weakened and the reason aokiji was able to attack garp at that moment instead of getting overpowered. You literally said garp would reach 0 hp before aokiji due to the stab which is an interference from a BB pirate.
No one is forcing you to buy garp>aokiji my friend, its up to you to take it or leave it. The manga is enough evidence to show garp>aokiji if people read while paying attention with no bias.
Chapter 438
Garp throws cannonballs and said „i hate getting old they dont fly half fast as they used to“
6:03 sheesh this break down makes garp sound peak
Hey bro wanna collab in the future?
That would be fire
I hold that looking at the power of Sengoku, who is most likely beyond Garp's level, the Admirals themselves all have to have power that rivals if not exceeds Garp at least as far as the original 3 Admirals are concerned. Then we pair up that Kuzan takes hits from Garp that were leveling islands and bro gets back up each time just looked scuffed up. Then we have to remember that the last arc had some heavy theming surrounding "can you unalive your friends" for the Admirals. Akainu couldn't do it to Kuzan, Kizaru could barely bring himself to take out Vega Punk, and Kuzan couldn't bring himself to actually take out Garp.
The conversation that Kuzan has with Blackbeard in the end after the fight is done Kuzan is saying he really was trying to unalive Garp, but he trails off while pushing up his glasses. Blackbeard is the one who says that Kuzan had trouble because Garp is too strong, not Kuzan. Kuzan couldn't bring himself to unalive Garp.
Only thing wrong here imo is that Sengoku is beyond Garp's level. They are both relative in power.
Great analysis. But we all know the Garp stans will never accept that Kuzan>Garp.
I mean, if you just look at their fight here, you can clearly tell that Garp was winning and lost due to previous injuries. He was impaled before they even began to fight. If Garp was 100% against Kuzan here, I don't believe Kuzan would be the last one standing. I do think they still would've brought Garp down though eventually.
@@dannyboy5564 If you look closely at the fight, you'll see how Aokiji was holding back the entire time. He let the old man get his shots in and tanked every last one of them.
@@Spawned-uy8ip
Both were Holding back
Garp won this fight
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@@amir1780 🤡
I dont think Garp was going all out. Im sure theres one more fight we see garp give one more showing.
That's like the most stupidest saying
Garp is literally dying , why the won't he go fully out to protect coby who was like like marine version of ace and luffy
@abc-kw2fn, you do realize he also has to fight his pupil while out of his prime.
@@faith4657 yeah Kuzan wasn't holding back either, he's literally shown shedding tears at the end of the battle. You'd be calling Garp a horrible teacher if his student didn't surpass him 😂
@LJustKidding Who would be calling who a horrible teacher? Just cause your student will surpass you doesn't mean the mentor wouldn't put up a fight.
Old whitebeard vs akainu next?
akainu mid diffs him
@@ZechroTalks agreed
@@ZechroTalks Facts
Already happened in manga, cancer patient two tapped Akainu.
@@rafiki4191머리 절반이 날라가고 가슴에 마그마 구멍 뚦리고 😂😂 도넛 🍩 🌛
Ok how did that effect his eye sight being offguard?
It didn't
I an genuinely curious, what if it was prime garp vs this version of aokiji?
Aokiji
@@jextern7961 validate pls, mind u garp was around pirate king level, is aokiji there? I can agree about akainu though.
@@cineroustit was personally trained under Garp and got stronger by having a 10 DAY fight with akainu along with 2 years on top of that. The fight was a bad representation of his strength because he was mentally weak and was handicapped as he couldn’t use his logia to affect the island
@@jextern7961 interesting, but that places him on bb level right, his captain?
@@cineroustit feats wise he’s weaker than kaido, but narratively he’ll be stronger so regardless it doesn’t matter
4:10 i disagree, from what i've seen in the story, the only people that can break out of being frozen are conquerors haki users. not a single person without that has been shown to counter being frozen.
sorry oda, i know you're the author of the story...but it is just stupid to say they haven't lost strength with age.. even more so when several old legends all say in some way they are weaker than they used to be....
Typical of Oda...
Saying Mihawk is the strongest of all Swordsmen while there is Shanks (who's secretly a Hakiman), who's in strength this generation's Roger...
Or when he says Kaido is the strongest creature, where in the Kaido (+ Cosmetic Big Mom with a naturally floating island) vs Luffy (+ almost twenty other people as Cosmetics) fight Luffy defeated Kaido...
Oda so silly for not knowing things about his own story, One Piece...
Aokiji neede his crew to help him
none of the memebers except for shiryu did anything
This aged well now after 6 months chapter 1126 confirmed that they had to jump garp. Admiral fanboys keep stacking those L’s.
@@enigma2055If you read the situation properly you'll know that Kuzan is saying that to prevent any suspicion from the Blackbeard pirates. The crew members might not like it to the point of trying to betray him, and so that's why Kuzan doesn't want to take any risks. Not to mention Kuzan shows concern for Garp mid fight, which is where Garp off guarded him, punched him into the ground and went and did a named attack on Pizzaro.
Aokiji matched Garp's punch with ACOC while holding back and not having ACOC himself.
(He may)
So yeah, Kuzan saying it himself is irrelevant since IT'S obvious he's trying to not seem full of himself or the chances of getting betrayed are high.
This is not even mentioning Aokiji is a confirmed EOS character, so his power needs to be RIDICULOUSLY broken if he has a huge role EOS, definitely greater than Old Garp.
Prime garp beat kuzan high diff,kuzan beat old garp high diff,pts kuzan best old garp extreme diff,prime garp best old garp mid diff so garp could really just be half as strong as prime but great vid and your right silver keep it up .
Already Stated in the Manga that a younger kuzan was equally footing prime Garp. Kuzan is like Garp but with OP fruit, better durability, endurance, Stamina and IQ as well and his more flexible playing a big role in the final saga.
AKAINU>kuzan>Prime Garp
@@Troll-ks8un they were equal in physical strenght yes prime garp>old garp>=akainu>=kuzan.
@Unknown-x4k5x delusional stated already in the manga that they were equal don't tell me your more accurate than the manga itself and in Akainu>Kuzan>=prime garp
@@Troll-ks8un remind me what chapter that was stated again ?
I think garp beats him in skills garp prime garp beats him but I think do to him fighting with subordinates and it was a rescue mission and he doesn’t have anyone who can actually fight the powerhouses on Blackbeard crew I think iceman got this mid diff his age does factor in look at the dark king
Aokiji not being fleet admiral was a great decision cause Akainu would not have let garp take kobby and they all would die
Grap won, because he fought all the other pirates and still let the marines escape
this is what blackbeard is gonna say once he sees his hostage garp, "ah remember you went to gods valley, you killed my dad time to pay!"
I don’t agree with the Pokémon analogy tbh we seen characters get weaker from fatigue in one piece luffy states katakuri was and Yamato states kaido was but w video
2 out of the original admirals had to kill the person the deeply love so will we see akainu kill someone that he loves?
Ice…..AGE!
Hope we get some Aokiji soon
Kuzan* 2 different persons/roles.
He gets captured and coby and luffy go get him it’s rematch ace situation
Admiral glaze is crazy
How??
@@Thenoble1jbecause he says they always hold back and he is bias with em for me garp>kuzan
@@ChristopherStoudt-g3qgarp losses, it’s that simple, garp was surpassed ages ago by Kuzan.
Garp is an vice admiral
@@Mosaic-xeroxwtf
dude I love your videos but please the bias is just insane. Garp won this and this just feels like some massive cope
Aokiji mid diffs if he's serious
"Old" Garp :
-Strength
-Speed
-Attack potency
Kuzan :
-Stamina(still younger)
-Endurance
-Hax/ability