Good information! Greatly appreciate the amount of time it took you to test the different configurations for stability! Very helpful for those of us who need large sums of RAM! 👍
Bro, thank you, this is very helpful. Great thanks for long stability test, this is brilliant. So many people doesn't understand importance of this tests.
It's sad that after almost 2 years of DDR5 desktops it's still not that easy to run stable XMP/EXPO quad stick setup, I upgraded after many years from DDR3 haswell to DDR5 alder lake, originally buying two 16GB sticks with intent to buy two more later as I have always done on previous platforms... after I saw what a mess quad stick DDR5 is I quickly returned them and bought two 32GB sticks which work great.
The thing to keep in mind is that 2 sticks of DDR5 is kind of like 4 sticks of DDR4 because of how the memory banks are allocated. A single stick of ddr5 is almost like a dual channel in itself. That would imply that 4 sticks of DDR5 is kind of like 8 sticks of DDR4. When you think of it that way, it makes it easier to understand why 4 sticks is so challenging to run at higher speeds. There is just way too much for the memory controller to keep up with. So basically the conclusion is that 4 DIMM configurations on Intel are no different than they are on AMD.
Wish i just spent the money on a Apex board with two dimms this was a setup lol These are lower Tier issues which is a shame the top boards are all two dimm slots so we know this was a plan to pull more consumer cash for stability reasons. Those are the only boards that can use speeds up to 8000mhz most other boards between $200-400 top off at 6800mhz max even though it stated otherwise......
It's also worth mentioning that with the new AMD AGESA 1007b update, it is now possible to run 96gb (2x48) at 6400mhz on Ryzen. I recommend checking out my X670E Steel Legend PC build video I did recently which show cases 96gb on the new bios.
I'm waiting to buy more ram for my 7950x server until they come out with 64, 96, or 128GB dimms, then i'll probably get 4 of the 48GB dimms because i really only need 192GB total, maybe the 64GB dimms if they're reasonable. Heck, a few years ago i picked up 4x32GB DDR4 3200 ECC dimms which is the maximum capcity for DDR4 uDIMM for like $450 total. Imagine in 3 years we could pick up 4x128GB DDR5 7200 for $600
Really helpful, I'm building a new system with i9 13900k with a Z790 Asus Hero motherboard and I want to use 128GB for video editing and gaming. So I guess I should get DDR5 128GB 5200Mhz?
Let's hope the refresh fixes this because i was running two sticks of 7600mhz that kept going bad till i just settled for 64GB of DDR5-6800, Zero issues now using a Z790 STRIX-E. Most Intel boards i owned would hit the max speeds but this platform is different 4 sticks is almost like putting your hands around a neck and choking it's that bad.
Two questions that would really help me build my workstation with 128 gb… did you have the chance to try with 5200? And do you think that 4800/5000 would be a safe speed for heavy workloads? I do 3D rendering, sculpting, texturing and After Effects from 2.5 to 4K and so. Your opinión would be a great help!
5200 is the highest I've been able to go with 128GB / 4 sticks 32GB 5600 G.Skill and that is with the 14700k which supposedly has a little better memory controller then 13th gen. 5066 was the highest stable I could go with a previous 13700k I had installed.
@@AqepbxVondx Of course you can go 4 stick/128GB, you'll just have to play with the speed settings to get the most out it. You could optionally go with 2 sticks of 48GB for a 96GB total and better chance for decent XMP speeds.
@@AqepbxVondx You will never need 128GB for gaming.... 64GB is already very futureproofed for gaming. Higher speed 64GB RAM beats 128GB slower speed RAM everytime.
Memory controller killer. I just destroyed my premium Asus ProArt Z790 board using 4 sticks of Kingston Fury DDR5 ram running 5600mt's. Now i have a MSI MPG Carbon and waiting for 64gb dimms to come out before i ever dare attempting 128 again. :( Way too much strain on the M.C. on this new generation motherboards. be careful
The memory controller hasn't been on the motherboard forever for Intel CPU's atleast, first generation i7's on LGA1366 socket were the first processors to have an IMC, short for Intergrated Memory Controller. The silicon lottery for your processor is mostly the deciding factor right now whether certain memory speeds/capacities will run stable. So it must be something else that has broken your motherboard, which is unfortunate in any case. Some people had DDR5-6000 128GB working on the ProArt Z790.
I had 128GB working for months without any issue on xmp2. After that windows and bios crashed (blue/black screen). I smelled an oder coming from the top right side of the mobo (close to the dimms). It was not a burning smell but how do i call it? Penetrant electronic smell? I started to remove two dimms and the system was running ok again for a month. The same problem came back. After testing all dimms one by one (all working properly) i ended up using just one stick and the machine was stable again. Now i have the new motherboard I (only ones a week or so) smell the same thing for a few seconds, so i guess this is normal? I need to let someone check this previous Asus motherboard just to be sure what the problem is. If the motherboard isn't the problem, the only thing i could think off is the i9 13900kf CPU. CPU temps are great though (24/30c idle and 80c/85c at full working load on a EK Nucleus 360 AIO). Two "experts" told me they where 95% sure i had a MC problem. @@G4m3m4st0r
Over time I have experienced power droop on both PSU's and motherboards with super tight memory tunings I have had memory problems happen over time with Max'ed out size and speeds. I assume that at least for my workloads (3d animator) that I should not use memory with these high settings and size and assume stability? Any advice on how to relax ram speeds for stability? I'll likely just go 96gb and two sticks on my new machine to avoid this issue.
I had to get a DDR4 motherboard and went through 3 sets of RAM before I could get 128gb of RAM to actually work with intel. I would get to 72gb or so and it would crash every time until I got 128gb 3200mhz Teamgroup T-Force RAM. I've had it up in the 90gb range without a problem. I could never get DDR5 RAM to use more than 70gb or so before it would crash.
This was very surprising to me because when I was testing AMD, it would either be 100% stable or it would crash very early on at 128gb. With intel, it's like if it's unstable it doesn't let you know directly until you could potentially lose data or get a corrupted kernal (as explained in the conclusion). I had been running 128gb on AMD since February and with DDR4 I can run 128gb on the Threadripper system reliably. This is the 1st time I attempted to test high density on an intel system.
@@GameTechReviews my old i7-6700k and Z190 motherboard could handle 128gb of ram all day but I could go to lunch and come back to that thing still trying to compute things 😂. My 12900k is way faster but nowhere near as stable. Hoping it gets fixed with the 14th gen.
I use Unreal Engine 5 to make movie sequence. The rendering of the frames can eat up the whole 40GB and sometimes crash due to not enough RAM, like when trying to run and render the City Example.
I'll probably test 96gb on intel in the future. I've already tested 96gb 2x48 on AMD's latest AGESA at 6400mhz via XMP and it works flawlessly. Not sure if it'll work on Intel but I don't see why it wouldn't.
You’d get more stability if you actually bought a 128GB kit of 4. You are not supposed to use two separate kits that aren’t an actual 4 stick kit in one pack. It works yea but you get instabilities like you have here.. next time don’t buy two kits of 64 sticks and buy one pack meant to be a 128 by matching set of sticks.
Good information! Greatly appreciate the amount of time it took you to test the different configurations for stability! Very helpful for those of us who need large sums of RAM! 👍
Bro, thank you, this is very helpful. Great thanks for long stability test, this is brilliant. So many people doesn't understand importance of this tests.
Hope there will be a 2x32GB 6000 kit including 2 dummy sticks in the box.
4x Memory sticks will result in defaults speeds to 4800mhz anything above that is crashville.........
agreed, i use kingston fury beast 4x32gb in 4800mhz default and out of curiosity tested with xmp, not worth really. i use i9 13900 non k cpu.
It's sad that after almost 2 years of DDR5 desktops it's still not that easy to run stable XMP/EXPO quad stick setup, I upgraded after many years from DDR3 haswell to DDR5 alder lake, originally buying two 16GB sticks with intent to buy two more later as I have always done on previous platforms... after I saw what a mess quad stick DDR5 is I quickly returned them and bought two 32GB sticks which work great.
The thing to keep in mind is that 2 sticks of DDR5 is kind of like 4 sticks of DDR4 because of how the memory banks are allocated. A single stick of ddr5 is almost like a dual channel in itself. That would imply that 4 sticks of DDR5 is kind of like 8 sticks of DDR4. When you think of it that way, it makes it easier to understand why 4 sticks is so challenging to run at higher speeds. There is just way too much for the memory controller to keep up with. So basically the conclusion is that 4 DIMM configurations on Intel are no different than they are on AMD.
Wish i just spent the money on a Apex board with two dimms this was a setup lol
These are lower Tier issues which is a shame the top boards are all two dimm slots so we know this was a plan to pull more consumer cash for stability reasons.
Those are the only boards that can use speeds up to 8000mhz most other boards between $200-400 top off at 6800mhz max even though it stated otherwise......
in your opinion we should stay away from 4 sticks of ddr5 (196) but also from 4 sticks of ddr4 (128) ?@@tommypearson9260
You can get to 5600 with increased voltage on the VDD (1.4v), VDDQ (1.35), SA (1.3v). Watch memory temps under load.
I really love to know how good 128 GB 4 * 32 GB ram configuration will be on Ryzen 7950X3D with latest AGESA beta update
That's coming in a future video.
It's also worth mentioning that with the new AMD AGESA 1007b update, it is now possible to run 96gb (2x48) at 6400mhz on Ryzen. I recommend checking out my X670E Steel Legend PC build video I did recently which show cases 96gb on the new bios.
I'm waiting to buy more ram for my 7950x server until they come out with 64, 96, or 128GB dimms, then i'll probably get 4 of the 48GB dimms because i really only need 192GB total, maybe the 64GB dimms if they're reasonable.
Heck, a few years ago i picked up 4x32GB DDR4 3200 ECC dimms which is the maximum capcity for DDR4 uDIMM for like $450 total.
Imagine in 3 years we could pick up 4x128GB DDR5 7200 for $600
Really helpful, I'm building a new system with i9 13900k with a Z790 Asus Hero motherboard and I want to use 128GB for video editing and gaming. So I guess I should get DDR5 128GB 5200Mhz?
Let's hope the refresh fixes this because i was running two sticks of 7600mhz that kept going bad till i just settled for 64GB of DDR5-6800, Zero issues now using a Z790 STRIX-E.
Most Intel boards i owned would hit the max speeds but this platform is different 4 sticks is almost like putting your hands around a neck and choking it's that bad.
so using 4 sticks is mainly the issue. 2 sticks should work with everything within the motherboard spec
Two questions that would really help me build my workstation with 128 gb… did you have the chance to try with 5200? And do you think that 4800/5000 would be a safe speed for heavy workloads? I do 3D rendering, sculpting, texturing and After Effects from 2.5 to 4K and so. Your opinión would be a great help!
Спасибо! Очень полезное для меня видио. Еще раз спасибо!😊
5200 is the highest I've been able to go with 128GB / 4 sticks 32GB 5600 G.Skill and that is with the 14700k which supposedly has a little better memory controller then 13th gen. 5066 was the highest stable I could go with a previous 13700k I had installed.
I need for gaming does it matter? I,want 128gb ram future proof
@@AqepbxVondx Of course you can go 4 stick/128GB, you'll just have to play with the speed settings to get the most out it. You could optionally go with 2 sticks of 48GB for a 96GB total and better chance for decent XMP speeds.
@@AqepbxVondx You will never need 128GB for gaming.... 64GB is already very futureproofed for gaming. Higher speed 64GB RAM beats 128GB slower speed RAM everytime.
is it because of having 4 sticks?
@@mikeramos91 yes 4 sticks are much harder to run at higher speeds
Memory controller killer. I just destroyed my premium Asus ProArt Z790 board using 4 sticks of Kingston Fury DDR5 ram running 5600mt's. Now i have a MSI MPG Carbon and waiting for 64gb dimms to come out before i ever dare attempting 128 again. :( Way too much strain on the M.C. on this new generation motherboards. be careful
The memory controller hasn't been on the motherboard forever for Intel CPU's atleast, first generation i7's on LGA1366 socket were the first processors to have an IMC, short for Intergrated Memory Controller. The silicon lottery for your processor is mostly the deciding factor right now whether certain memory speeds/capacities will run stable.
So it must be something else that has broken your motherboard, which is unfortunate in any case. Some people had DDR5-6000 128GB working on the ProArt Z790.
I had 128GB working for months without any issue on xmp2. After that windows and bios crashed (blue/black screen). I smelled an oder coming from the top right side of the mobo (close to the dimms). It was not a burning smell but how do i call it? Penetrant electronic smell? I started to remove two dimms and the system was running ok again for a month. The same problem came back. After testing all dimms one by one (all working properly) i ended up using just one stick and the machine was stable again. Now i have the new motherboard I (only ones a week or so) smell the same thing for a few seconds, so i guess this is normal? I need to let someone check this previous Asus motherboard just to be sure what the problem is. If the motherboard isn't the problem, the only thing i could think off is the i9 13900kf CPU. CPU temps are great though (24/30c idle and 80c/85c at full working load on a EK Nucleus 360 AIO). Two "experts" told me they where 95% sure i had a MC problem. @@G4m3m4st0r
I felt your struggle
Why wanted to do a gaming/work setup. Will going for 128 gb of ram ddr5 kill my gaming performance?
Over time I have experienced power droop on both PSU's and motherboards with super tight memory tunings I have had memory problems happen over time with Max'ed out size and speeds. I assume that at least for my workloads (3d animator) that I should not use memory with these high settings and size and assume stability? Any advice on how to relax ram speeds for stability? I'll likely just go 96gb and two sticks on my new machine to avoid this issue.
Did you try two sticks 48gb. How did it go?
I had to get a DDR4 motherboard and went through 3 sets of RAM before I could get 128gb of RAM to actually work with intel. I would get to 72gb or so and it would crash every time until I got 128gb 3200mhz Teamgroup T-Force RAM. I've had it up in the 90gb range without a problem. I could never get DDR5 RAM to use more than 70gb or so before it would crash.
This was very surprising to me because when I was testing AMD, it would either be 100% stable or it would crash very early on at 128gb. With intel, it's like if it's unstable it doesn't let you know directly until you could potentially lose data or get a corrupted kernal (as explained in the conclusion). I had been running 128gb on AMD since February and with DDR4 I can run 128gb on the Threadripper system reliably. This is the 1st time I attempted to test high density on an intel system.
@@GameTechReviews my old i7-6700k and Z190 motherboard could handle 128gb of ram all day but I could go to lunch and come back to that thing still trying to compute things 😂. My 12900k is way faster but nowhere near as stable. Hoping it gets fixed with the 14th gen.
im on 5500 with 32gb ddr4 2x16 4266mhz don't feel like i need upgrade ftm
I've only managed to get 5200 MHz with 128 GB on my 13900K
Z790/X670e boards should only come with 2 dim slots period.
Nice info in vid. But what about workloads for that amount of ram. Can someone give me some useful examples?
Video rendering, chess programs, numerous open tabs in a browser, etc
@@RKBenchmarker from here only video rendering is legit case
I use Unreal Engine 5 to make movie sequence. The rendering of the frames can eat up the whole 40GB and sometimes crash due to not enough RAM, like when trying to run and render the City Example.
Rendering or computation like FEA or physics simulations. You have a great point this is overkill for 99.95% of people.
13:29 says it all! "BE WARNED", 128GB is not stable on AM5 or Intel so avoid. 4 sticks of 16GB works fine though.
I really don't understand why it is unstable. I wanted to upgrade from 64GB to 128GB RAM but this video scares me :S
That means it's not realistic to run 4 sticks of 48gb on the Intel boards as advertised. Total 192 gb RAM
You can run 192gb of RAM. You just have to settle for 4800mhz or lower speeds.
@@GameTechReviews that is a massive relief!!!!
4200mhz is a good frequency for me, the size matters a lot for my work flow
@@GameTechReviews you already gained on loyal subscriber from me
@samsonadeboga223 what do you run that benefits from large amounts of ram... just interested. My chess program benefits from large amounts.
@@RKBenchmarker Adobe After Effects
hmm so what about 96GB with 2 dimms haha could I get 6000 ? really thinking to buy the new Corsair Dominator Titanium 96GB kit.. on 13900k
I'll probably test 96gb on intel in the future. I've already tested 96gb 2x48 on AMD's latest AGESA at 6400mhz via XMP and it works flawlessly. Not sure if it'll work on Intel but I don't see why it wouldn't.
I'm running x2 48gb ddr5 ram corsair vengence 96gb in XMP1. No issues with Asus Z790 Hero.
@@Filmmaker809 At what speed and latency? I saw corsair had 96GB kit with 6600MT/s at C32 I just wonder if this will work on my 13900K
me with just 32gb of ram lol
Turn off E-cores on Intel to get better performance.
I would never buy an advertised "24-core" cpu just to disable two-thirds of the cores.
You’d get more stability if you actually bought a 128GB kit of 4. You are not supposed to use two separate kits that aren’t an actual 4 stick kit in one pack. It works yea but you get instabilities like you have here.. next time don’t buy two kits of 64 sticks and buy one pack meant to be a 128 by matching set of sticks.