Hey, do you have more details on the high speed seal? Where did you source it from/part number etc? Also, do you happen to have a video or able to describe the disassembly of the "compressor" side of the pinion shaft? As in the order of parts (bearing, spacer?, seal, shim, compressor blade) - is that correct or am I missing anything? Thanks!
Man I’d like to try and make one of those on my machines. Next time you have that apart count the teeth and measure all the specs on the gears for me. I learned how to make gears on my mill
Question....are the wave springs supposed to be on each half of the case? When disassembling mine, they are only on the front half and the input has one spring while the output has 3 stacked together. Not sure if that's typical?
Hi Philip your video is excellent I have a ProCharger D-1SC that we are going to rebuild I like the tools you made. My friend is a fitter turner and can make the tools. Is it possible to get the dimensions / diagram of the tools you made? Happy to pay I am in Australia regards Tony
Could you show how you take the scroll off. Was it easy to do ? I know there is the seal that runs all around the outside that you need to worry about, but is there anything else. Is it just cracking it open all around the outer than pulling up. What about the main seal( input shaft) again do you just pull up. Any special instructions with that. I'm doing a f series blower. Just need to reclock the oil slinger. I appreciate all the help
You just take the socket head screws out and evenly wiggle it off. The cover doesn't have an o-ring in it. The case does, but dont take that off unless you plan to dismantle the entire unit.
I am interested in getting mine freshened up. Starting to should like one of the bearings is starting to make some noice. Still works great. How do I contact you directly?
Phillip, had my vehicle at the paint house for 7 weeks, need my lawyer to get them to finish after got it back in 4 days but they drained 1/2 the oil out, probably drove it max 100 miles before had a chance to ck everything .Changed it didn't smell burnt , had a super tiny spot of rubber in it, now new noises, actually sounds better, now highway speeds but at least 10 launches. How worried should i be? It was hot and a tiny bit of air was in it when cked. Tks for help
I don't think I would be that worried the blower is splash lubricated so it's not receiving pressurized oil nor does it require it. Are you sure it's not leaking? It doesn't hold much and it would be hard to take half of it out.
IMO, Supercharger Rebuilds is the best bang for your buck, for any parts you may need. They have aftermarket billet and performance impellers for just about anything. For example, they have a D1SC style impeller that will "bolt in" and fit your P1SC with no machining, effectively making it a D1SC for under $500.
Except it doesn't fit the shaft worth a damn. I've bought one and I'm not impressed at all. The manufacturer claims it's this way on purpose to help "home gamers" install it. That's a load of garbage. If you can press the OEM one off you can put the other back on.
They will supply "slip fit" for easier installation for DIY-ers that had a machine shop remove the old one (then use a retaining compound on the shaft - for extra security), OR "press fit" for those who have access to a hydraulic press to re-install. Then of course, use Red Loctite 271 on the impeller retaining bolt.
@@mnsmtrs Mine is tapered and significantly oversize for a fit on a shaft that could be turning 60k rpm. If you can't press it on correctly then have someone do it. There is no reason to risk an off center impeller than can move on the shaft just to make it easier to install. That said, there is no reason ProCharger should not sell parts. There is also no reason to make those parts incorrectly. It just gives the whole industry of rebuilding a bad name. Just like inferior reman parts from the autoparts store. If they upheld the quality of the OE they would have the reputation generic drugs have. Same safe tested quality, less mark up and more value.
I just received my super charger back from pro charger. It had a leaking seal on the belt side. They charge me $602. They said they needed to replace the O-rings as well. I requested all of the old parts be returned but they did not return them. As simple as this unit is, however it is very critical with the tolerances, I think they are price gouging. I asked for a rebuild kit and they would not sell it out right. Plus, not returning my parts shows they are being rather shady.
Don’t waste your time with shitty procharger there’ll waste your money and do a shitty job . I have seen a dozen unit come back from this that’s half way done and charged them as much as a rebuilt engine .
Does a P1 have a 4.1:1 gear ratio like a P1SC? If it does then yes you can. There however is a problem. The genuine procharger D1 compressor housing cover is different. Aftermarket companies make a D1 compressor wheels that will fit the P1sc cover.
I found a way to make my own installer for the shaft, but the high speed seal install into the case is my issue. Would you install the seals for me if I sent you my unit? I imagine it would be cheaper than having my own tools made, lol I tired a socket, and it doesn't work as well as I would like.
@@philipmacduffie7612 , could you provide the dimensions and maybe note if there are specific clearances or tolerences so I could get the tools made? Thanks!
Hmm I only have the low speed seal leaking. Needs replaced. Is it really difficult to get in there properly without that expansion tool you made? Could you maybe make a video on how to make the tool?
Low speed seal should not need an expander. Reason I say "should" is it would be a hell of alot easer if you did. You just need to be careful to not cut the lip of the new seal.
@@AtticAZ Great, a leaky low speed seal is the easiest problem to have. A leaky high speed seal is a total tear down. Again. It's not that hard to tear one apart, but the parts are expensive and like everything labor costs.
@@philipmacduffie7612, My P1SC1 just started making this sound. Sounds like a bad bearing possibly? See link. I know the bigger ones are “koyo 6206” but what about the other two sets? ruclips.net/video/N0Bi-GQoq2U/видео.html
6204CTA A7 6205CTA A7 Two 6000 The GMN CTA A7 bearing basically doesn't exist. Finding a suitable alternate will be a challenge. Your P1SC-1 is likely already turning faster than a normal D1SC. Cheap 6204s have an inadequate speed rating; look for 50K rpm in oil as a start.
Thanks for getting back to me. I'm hoping to rebuild my D-1SC without messing up the seals on the first try. Looks like these tools are the key to achieve that. How about selling me a set of drawings?
@@philipmacduffie7612 What about doing a CAD drawing and outsourcing? There HAS GOT to be a market now that these are fairly outdated. I know I'd buy the bitch, lol
Bo, with 20 years in industry I know how to job out work. I'm not looking to be in the business of selling tools. I am certain making them in this design would not be affordable to most. There isn't much cheaper metal out there than 6061. It's about as free as it gets.
Hi Phil- Do you offer a rebuild service for these P1SC blowers? Mine is leaking in the front and back.
Hey, do you have more details on the high speed seal? Where did you source it from/part number etc? Also, do you happen to have a video or able to describe the disassembly of the "compressor" side of the pinion shaft? As in the order of parts (bearing, spacer?, seal, shim, compressor blade) - is that correct or am I missing anything? Thanks!
Man I’d like to try and make one of those on my machines. Next time you have that apart count the teeth and measure all the specs on the gears for me. I learned how to make gears on my mill
The tooth count is 98/24 the pattern is stub not full involute.
Question....are the wave springs supposed to be on each half of the case? When disassembling mine, they are only on the front half and the input has one spring while the output has 3 stacked together. Not sure if that's typical?
They are supposed to be together like that.
Can anyone supply a part number for the low speed seal on the front cover?
Do you by chance have a drawing for your tools? I have a lathe. And a P1SC I need to rebuild.
Part number on the smaller deep groove bearing on the left side?
Hi Philip your video is excellent I have a ProCharger D-1SC that we are going to rebuild I like the tools you made. My friend is a fitter turner and can make the tools. Is it possible to get the dimensions / diagram of the tools you made? Happy to pay I am in Australia regards Tony
Hi!
Can you tell me, the house screew torque?
Could you show how you take the scroll off. Was it easy to do ? I know there is the seal that runs all around the outside that you need to worry about, but is there anything else. Is it just cracking it open all around the outer than pulling up. What about the main seal( input shaft) again do you just pull up. Any special instructions with that. I'm doing a f series blower. Just need to reclock the oil slinger. I appreciate all the help
You just take the socket head screws out and evenly wiggle it off. The cover doesn't have an o-ring in it. The case does, but dont take that off unless you plan to dismantle the entire unit.
I am interested in getting mine freshened up. Starting to should like one of the bearings is starting to make some noice. Still works great. How do I contact you directly?
Phillip, had my vehicle at the paint house for 7 weeks, need my lawyer to get them to finish after got it back in 4 days but they drained 1/2 the oil out, probably drove it max 100 miles before had a chance to ck everything .Changed it didn't smell burnt , had a super tiny spot of rubber in it, now new noises, actually sounds better, now highway speeds but at least 10 launches. How worried should i be? It was hot and a tiny bit of air was in it when cked. Tks for help
That was no noises and no highway speeds
I don't think I would be that worried the blower is splash lubricated so it's not receiving pressurized oil nor does it require it. Are you sure it's not leaking? It doesn't hold much and it would be hard to take half of it out.
IMO, Supercharger Rebuilds is the best bang for your buck, for any parts you may need. They have aftermarket billet and performance impellers for just about anything. For example, they have a D1SC style impeller that will "bolt in" and fit your P1SC with no machining, effectively making it a D1SC for under $500.
Except it doesn't fit the shaft worth a damn. I've bought one and I'm not impressed at all. The manufacturer claims it's this way on purpose to help "home gamers" install it. That's a load of garbage. If you can press the OEM one off you can put the other back on.
They will supply "slip fit" for easier installation for DIY-ers that had a machine shop remove the old one (then use a retaining compound on the shaft - for extra security), OR "press fit" for those who have access to a hydraulic press to re-install. Then of course, use Red Loctite 271 on the impeller retaining bolt.
@@mnsmtrs Mine is tapered and significantly oversize for a fit on a shaft that could be turning 60k rpm. If you can't press it on correctly then have someone do it. There is no reason to risk an off center impeller than can move on the shaft just to make it easier to install. That said, there is no reason ProCharger should not sell parts. There is also no reason to make those parts incorrectly. It just gives the whole industry of rebuilding a bad name. Just like inferior reman parts from the autoparts store. If they upheld the quality of the OE they would have the reputation generic drugs have. Same safe tested quality, less mark up and more value.
OK well everything we've used from them has been off the charts awesome !
@@mnsmtrs got any dynos? They say no.
I just received my super charger back from pro charger. It had a leaking seal on the belt side. They charge me $602. They said they needed to replace the O-rings as well. I requested all of the old parts be returned but they did not return them. As simple as this unit is, however it is very critical with the tolerances, I think they are price gouging. I asked for a rebuild kit and they would not sell it out right. Plus, not returning my parts shows they are being rather shady.
Charlie, the belt drive side seal is a very common part. The high speed seal is a custom component that they do not sell.
Don’t waste your time with shitty procharger there’ll waste your money and do a shitty job . I have seen a dozen unit come back from this that’s half way done and charged them as much as a rebuilt engine .
Next time send it to Supercharger Rebuilds. Fast quality work and lower cost.
I just got a p1 and was told it can be upgraded to a d1 is this true? If so what is involved?
Does a P1 have a 4.1:1 gear ratio like a P1SC? If it does then yes you can. There however is a problem. The genuine procharger D1 compressor housing cover is different. Aftermarket companies make a D1 compressor wheels that will fit the P1sc cover.
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I found a way to make my own installer for the shaft, but the high speed seal install into the case is my issue. Would you install the seals for me if I sent you my unit? I imagine it would be cheaper than having my own tools made, lol I tired a socket, and it doesn't work as well as I would like.
How far away are you? I'm in Florida. Did you unfortunately already crush the seal?
@@philipmacduffie7612 you have FB or IG?
@@philipmacduffie7612 where in FL? May have the same issue
I’m in Jacksonville.
Do you by chance a part number for a new gear case gasket?
It's not a gasket. It's a big o-ring
@@philipmacduffie7612 do you know where to get it?
@@AtticAZ superchargerrebuilds.com has them.
Do you know how much you would want for a set of those tools?
I'm not really set up to machine things like that to sell.
@@philipmacduffie7612 , could you provide the dimensions and maybe note if there are specific clearances or tolerences so I could get the tools made? Thanks!
Hmm I only have the low speed seal leaking. Needs replaced. Is it really difficult to get in there properly without that expansion tool you made? Could you maybe make a video on how to make the tool?
Low speed seal should not need an expander. Reason I say "should" is it would be a hell of alot easer if you did. You just need to be careful to not cut the lip of the new seal.
Philip Mac Duffie I was actually able to replace it myself with out trouble. I just used a 32mm deep socket and rubber mallet to tap it in. 👌🏼
@@AtticAZ Great, a leaky low speed seal is the easiest problem to have. A leaky high speed seal is a total tear down. Again. It's not that hard to tear one apart, but the parts are expensive and like everything labor costs.
@@philipmacduffie7612, My P1SC1 just started making this sound. Sounds like a bad bearing possibly? See link.
I know the bigger ones are “koyo 6206” but what about the other two sets?
ruclips.net/video/N0Bi-GQoq2U/видео.html
6204CTA A7
6205CTA A7
Two 6000
The GMN CTA A7 bearing basically doesn't exist. Finding a suitable alternate will be a challenge. Your P1SC-1 is likely already turning faster than a normal D1SC. Cheap 6204s have an inadequate speed rating; look for 50K rpm in oil as a start.
I need to replace the high speed seal on my D-1SC. Would you sell me a set of tools?
I could not justify selling tools. I made these on a manual lathe and I have tons of time in them. I could not sell tools for any sensible price.
Thanks for getting back to me. I'm hoping to rebuild my D-1SC without messing up the seals on the first try. Looks like these tools are the key to achieve that. How about selling me a set of drawings?
@@philipmacduffie7612 lend me the tools, i can blueprint them and get them back to you. I can give you half the sales price of any that we sell.
@@philipmacduffie7612 What about doing a CAD drawing and outsourcing? There HAS GOT to be a market now that these are fairly outdated. I know I'd buy the bitch, lol
Can I rent your tools?
Take those tools to a local machine shop for a quote. Charge us a bit more than they cost you. Sell them on Amazon or something like that.
You’ve got 4300 views. I’m sure there is money to be made if they are affordable. I suggest a cheaper metal
Bo, with 20 years in industry I know how to job out work. I'm not looking to be in the business of selling tools. I am certain making them in this design would not be affordable to most. There isn't much cheaper metal out there than 6061. It's about as free as it gets.
Can You Rebuild Mine 🙏🏾
Depends on what's wrong with it.
Philip Mac Duffie couple bad bearings. I took it apart to see what was wrong with it.
@@SINTAUR63 If the compressor isn't damaged, if you are that far why not swap the bearings?
Philip Mac Duffie Don’t know what I’m doing really and I don’t wanna f anything up to tell you the truth. lol.