I think you look like you got quite a lot of weight of your shoulders in the conversation, you were holding your head a lot higher at the end than the start.
So true, he's definitley humble and doesn't push his success in your face. There are others that do some crazy builds but when I watch them I feel a " look how much money I can spend" vibe off them. Never having met the man I think he'd be the kind of person that would shut the camera off to help a guy broken down somewhere where as others would use the moment for a " look at me help" dealio. Great podcast, great questions and keeps you engaged and worthy of taking notes.
Thank you for the insights Freddy! Us small creators have no clue what to charge. I had a company get upset with me because I asked for $200.00 to promote their product.
Freddy is the best, what makes him different from the rest is his ability to make the viewer think he's telling us the story personally, Matt & Freddy together is a whole other level, keep up the insane projects but both of you, don't burn yourselves out, enjoy every moment.
No: If you compare Freddy, to Ed, Tylor and many others, he is the normal guy on the street whilst they got this very much private school, Estate-resident attitude.
@@The-truth-is-valuable.Maybe read what I said again and understand what I'm talking about instead of making comments that have absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about!
If you’ve properly met Freddie you’ll know he’s a very hard worker and someone who genuinely wants to please his supporters and fans, but he is only human! Florida is like 8+ hour flight and 5 hour time difference. After arriving on a Friday it would be non stop the entire Petrolheadonism weekend til he flew back on the Monday. I get people’s attention spans get shorter as we are all getting so used to instant gratification of stuff, as technology gets faster and more advanced, but we forget, our 2 hands are the limiting factor here and we can only be in 1 place at 1 time. Some appreciation of what we are getting goes a long long way for these content creators 🙏
Tavarish like Mat Armstrong and many of the other cool car channels are so humble and laid back. Yes they know they have money, but that came from their hard work and taking the risks needed.
Armstrong is a slumlord exploiting poor people and Tavarish is a right wing grifter spreading hate on his websites. How do you not get basic facts right about people you worship.
It's a much different perspective than I have after 7.5 years on the platform. Definitely interesting to hear the financial side of the business. I only make $40 a month after that amount of time and a ton of builds and money.
@@ThrottleGrotto Exactly. Tavarish was a nobody until he bought a white Lamborghini. And the money he funded the Lambo with came from his right wing websites spreading lies and hate.
I love watching tavarish videos. He just seems so down to earth and normal, the kind of person you can sit down and have a beer with. I'll put the invite out there, @tavarish if you ever are in the San Antonio, TX area and want to have a beer feel free to swing by.
Very cool episode, Tavarish is a true king with a beautiful soul, his humbleness only surpases his talents and his resilience towards his dreams can only command respect and admiration, long life to the king, cant wait to see the (fastest) P1 done ever so it can again claim its title as the world^s best known P1 ever
One of the reasons that people get impatient with the build projects is that the way they have to be presented makes them look much easier than they really are. We don't get to see all the work and all the parts that go wrong!
I start to think there is a connection between the times @tavarish is been on the podcast and the fact that the studio seats are almost identical to his fast and furios lambo ;)
Great podcast Just as feedback, whatever noise supression software is being used, it's being far too aggressive where it makes the audio kinda awkward to listen to, the trade off from having some negligible background noise to the severe distortions of the voices are likely not worth it imo
I fast forward (ads from presenter) and skip (YT ads) all adds on RUclips but have to watch commercials when watching TV life. I assume most YT watchers are the same. Do advertisers consider that difference when comparing YT and TV?
@44:05 Freddy, you are very entertaining ure doing great and I want to see the end result whatever it may be because it is your choice/your car but I also want to see if yours will turn out better than the redbull drift p1 which so far with parts from the Commonwealth of PA it will be a better car overall. Also Congratulations on your engagement!!
Awesome interview, one question to all you RUclipsrs, how does it affect your earnings with people who pay from premium viewing so we don’t see the adverts. Do you guys get any income from the premium sales?
I went to Japan and Korea and another reason cars are so expensive because importing it across the ocean is expensive. Also us safety regulations require extra testing as safety features for us models that make it more expensive.
Tavarish is the only one doing this gig and keeping it real. MA, real for a little while, but I don't know if he's keeping it real anymore. Tavarish is a down to earth and relatable solid kinda guy. I think MA is in the danger zone of people not being able to relate and trying to turn his craft into an industrial conveyor belt. Keep it real Tavarish!
Fascinating chat!!! However this all boils down to advertiser ROI. The market dictates the price. This is a match point between the creator & the business. Basic economics! However where I disagree with Freddy is the cost of losing a sponsor isn’t just the cash lost due to the lack of that agreement with that one sponsor. It’s the cost to Freddy to find another (& another & another if you once again don’t reach agreement) 😉
@freddy, what you said about new comers low balling the industry is exactly what put me out of the photography business. I started competing with stufents who were willing to charge 10% of the formal rate just to build their portfolio in South Africa
I've shipped a lot of Alfa Romeo and Ferrari stuff to the usa, at one point there were so many crashed high end cars over there the numbers were getting close to the ones on the road here, that's how much bigger the market place is in the USA.. BONKERS! I personally wouldn't have bought another rear sub frame, fabricating one would be a cool prospect, to improve things when they developed that car, the heat shields and various things were after thoughts it would be cool to solve those things. With an upgraded rear frame, the engine would come out easier, you'd be able to have access to headers and other things that would normally be engine out. But.. at 6k that subframe is head and shoulders best way forward. Don't go to the dealersheep, stealership :)
Another banger podcast with Tavarish! The audio enhancement tool you’ve been using on these podcasts lately seems to be really overpowering and clips off the end of some of your guys sentences, it’s kinda off putting in this one not sure why though. But I still loved the podcast as always!
Big Comps to you Freddy, there are less than a handful of you tubers I watch and your one of them, because you keep it real and you keep your audience engaged and your a down to earth guy whos a realist! Keep doing what your doing if you ever get a Ferrari look me up and I'll help you out any way I can. Say hello to M.A. for me I appreciate both of you for what you do and bring to the table! And get that Aventador done having an SVJ in my collection you have your hands full! Best of Luck 🍀🤞
The problem with the P1 build there was never a way you could hide it. the moment you bought it, everybody knew. everybody wanted to know more. everybody wanted to see the end result. You were behind before you started. a TV show would have the whole project completed before they start airing all the episodes. You had no chance to prepare and then have a steady stream before the project even got started. You had to come clean and tell people you bought it and explain your plans right at the moment it started. There was really nothing else you could do. It's the nature of The Times. everybody knows what everybody's doing before they announce it.
Every time i realize that im saving a few hundred dollars on my clothes i like to treat a few of my friends to a trip to Europe first class and be able to stay at some fancy Hotels. It just makes it all even out.
I wonder if your using Davinci resolve for post production? It has amazing background noise reduction built in. I couldn't hear any bass. A very good result for me after several months is 9k views. But then I'm crap at it 😢 😅🤣
32:41. on the subject of ads and stuff, I pay for youtube premium and its supposed to be ad free so I don't understand how youtubers can interrupt the video to talk about sponsors, technically that's an ad
@@standodge7687 thats a youtubers own sponsor that has nothing to do with RUclips. And if we couldn’t put those ads in you wouldn’t have any of the videos you enjoy
So when we have youtube red we don't see the ads like on normal TV right, and then woth you real life product placement ones y'all do, we've all seen the same ones from every youtuber, which we know you need them to keep making videos of course, we just skip them so does re selling the advert to the company how is that profitable for them?😊
Let’s be real here, it doesn’t matter who you are or what your content is. none of these guys would be raking in the money like they are making, if RUclips didn’t exist. Yes they work hard and yes they would have a good income regardless if RUclips existed. But not even close to the money they are getting purely for selling videos through a platform, I am 64 and RUclips to me is just a new concept, I was early retired before RUclips began. I love these guys, I am a big fan of DDE and Matt Armstrong. I have followed them from the beginning. But I really hate it when they say if you work hard like us you too can be successful like us. That’s like Tom Cruise saying the same thing. The sole reason they are making millions is because millions of people watch their videos, because they are popular. So it’s not true to say anyone can do it if they work hard, there are heaps of people out there trying and not getting the subscribers. No matter how hard they work.
I would guess 90% of people watch (especially this kind on content) alone. I think the projection there is a lot of multi viewership is a stretch. And to think Jay leno is watching the P1 videos with his family is laughable. It's also interesting that car content is maybe 50% of what I have watched for the last 10 years on youtube and its not to my memory ever put a Tavarish video on my foryou page, I have only seen him on other creators content.
SEE !!! this pod cast is telling us exactly what I have been talking about for a couple of years now. I am watching these RUclipsrs on air, in their videos saying to us and acting like WTF!! They can’t believe what’s happening, we all grew up only knowing you leave school you go to college and the one who has the highest grades gets the good jobs and earn the best money. But this RUclips and video streaming has completely thrown all that out the window. Stop kidding yourself, there is no way in the world these guys would have what they have if not for RUclips, they would be just like everyone else , no matter how hard they work, look at Matt Armstrong, if not for RUclips he would only be making money on what he gets for selling the car he just built, and the buying and selling the houses he renovates, these things don’t come close to what he gets from doing video streaming and advertising.
This episode is a masterclass on making money on youtube. How many of you would be happy if you have the detailed notes of the podcast so that after listening this podcast you can have and read the important stuff in 10 mins anytime you want. Let me know your response.
Funny about Mr. Beast, his mom kicked him out when he dropped out of college to do RUclips full time. Dude is worth $500M now, outside of his legal issues that is the kind of money almost no one will ever see yet alone by 26 doing it yourself instead of having billionaire parents.
this was so much fun!
Could you please stop calling your McLaren a P1?😤🤔😲
I think you look like you got quite a lot of weight of your shoulders in the conversation, you were holding your head a lot higher at the end than the start.
did you buy from the aventador breaker over here in kent freddy? just saw it on ebay
@mischiefdj I think he just needs the rear frame 🤔
@@peterabbott1974it is a P1. Unless you have one you cant really say anything 🎉
Big up Freddy ❤️
i like ducks
i cant wait to see your rs6 retrieval video
Ah the youtubers version of a reach around....
Hey mattttttt❤
Love that!
Freddy is the man! He is super deserving of all the success
Can’t wait to have you on Mr Shaft 🇺🇸
So true, he's definitley humble and doesn't push his success in your face. There are others that do some crazy builds but when I watch them I feel a " look how much money I can spend" vibe off them. Never having met the man I think he'd be the kind of person that would shut the camera off to help a guy broken down somewhere where as others would use the moment for a " look at me help" dealio. Great podcast, great questions and keeps you engaged and worthy of taking notes.
That's insane, another podcast with Tavarish ? Yes please !
Me and freddie love having a chat. Next time we are going to bring beer
@@RoadToSuccessOfficialPodcast Indeed, Ben, indeed. Beer is the correct awnser !
One of the things I love about Freddie is how attentive he is to local language and phrases.
Aluminum and motorway for instance..
So respectful. 😊
love the way he said skint lol
They think “ you’re a knob!). He’s spending too much time with Matt.!!.😂
Thank you Ben for the good questions that you asked! Great content!
Thank you for the insights Freddy! Us small creators have no clue what to charge. I had a company get upset with me because I asked for $200.00 to promote their product.
It’s always great to see Freddy on your show, could never get bored of that. I’m loving the P1 build and have no way lost interest in it 👍
Glad you enjoy it!
Ben is getting better and better at this, some really good questions and responses from Freddy 👍🏻
Freddy is the best, what makes him different from the rest is his ability to make the viewer think he's telling us the story personally, Matt & Freddy together is a whole other level, keep up the insane projects but both of you, don't burn yourselves out, enjoy every moment.
No: If you compare Freddy, to Ed, Tylor and many others, he is the normal guy on the street whilst they got this very much private school, Estate-resident attitude.
@@The-truth-is-valuable.Maybe read what I said again and understand what I'm talking about instead of making comments that have absolutely nothing to do with what I was talking about!
Amazing video, Freddy is so humble and natural. So much drive, talent and passion. Just the best. I'd watch his content whatever it is. 👍
Thanks Freddy! As someone (older) starting out on the RUclips journey it was incredibly useful listening to this, thank you
If you’ve properly met Freddie you’ll know he’s a very hard worker and someone who genuinely wants to please his supporters and fans, but he is only human! Florida is like 8+ hour flight and 5 hour time difference. After arriving on a Friday it would be non stop the entire Petrolheadonism weekend til he flew back on the Monday. I get people’s attention spans get shorter as we are all getting so used to instant gratification of stuff, as technology gets faster and more advanced, but we forget, our 2 hands are the limiting factor here and we can only be in 1 place at 1 time. Some appreciation of what we are getting goes a long long way for these content creators 🙏
Massive respect for Freddie. So many misconceptions cleared
Freddy and Matt learn from each other I love their combined content I would love to see a build project in USA and then a drive across the states
Another banger. Thanks gents!
Love the chat and honesty really humble guy is Freddy
This is my fav podcast bar none brilliant keep up the good work mate your smashing it 😁
Always a real interview. Solid questions. Great insight, new perspectives
really enjoyed this one. great interview and awesome to see Freddy back
This is the best podcast I’ve ever heard in my life. So inspiring and creative
@@hollywalderwilliams7627 Thankyou so much for being a loyal fan 🙏
I struggle from hydration, too. After my morning run, the flip flop I put in my mouth doesn’t quench my thirst. THANK YOU HOLY!
Greatly enjoyed this! Hope the most youtube success to the both of you!
Always great to hear from Freddy! The pimp my ride story is epic dude, thanks for sharing! :)
Tavarish like Mat Armstrong and many of the other cool car channels are so humble and laid back. Yes they know they have money, but that came from their hard work and taking the risks needed.
Armstrong is a slumlord exploiting poor people and Tavarish is a right wing grifter spreading hate on his websites. How do you not get basic facts right about people you worship.
Absolutely love Tavarish 👊🏽
Cracking pod! Freddy is so grounded watched him for years. Before use younge ones came on the schene 😂
Freddy the GOAT of the project build.
Really interesting watch. Freddy is such a good guy. Love Ben’s interviewing style.
This is GOLD! Thank you to the both of you. Love it
Great watch!
Great podcast, Freddy is the nicest person on RUclips!
I love the camaraderie with you and mat
It's a much different perspective than I have after 7.5 years on the platform. Definitely interesting to hear the financial side of the business. I only make $40 a month after that amount of time and a ton of builds and money.
Because he's lying. His money didn't come from youtube.
@@idokwatcher2062 There's quite a few creators that were wealthy before they started making videos.
@@ThrottleGrotto Exactly. Tavarish was a nobody until he bought a white Lamborghini. And the money he funded the Lambo with came from his right wing websites spreading lies and hate.
Great insight and interview.cheers guys
I always watch to the end of youtube videos as I like to hear the waffle 😂😂 great vlog's from you both.
I love watching tavarish videos. He just seems so down to earth and normal, the kind of person you can sit down and have a beer with. I'll put the invite out there, @tavarish if you ever are in the San Antonio, TX area and want to have a beer feel free to swing by.
What a down to earth guy, great podcast 👏
Wow, thank you for those insights! That will help me a lot! ❤
Very cool episode, Tavarish is a true king with a beautiful soul, his humbleness only surpases his talents and his resilience towards his dreams can only command respect and admiration, long life to the king, cant wait to see the (fastest) P1 done ever so it can again claim its title as the world^s best known P1 ever
A real eye opening interview
Brilliant Ben. Loved watching this 👍
Awesome 🙂 I enjoy these pods.
I love travarish projects 😎
I'm giving youtube builds go 👍
Freddy is mega.. I enjoyed that, well done boys
Great podcast guys 👍🏻
thanks for giving advice for the automotive space i feel like people gatekeeping game from people
Definitely not sick of the P1 build.. I think most people that know about cars realize what an undertaking it is.
Agreed 👍
Freddie has no chance of building the lambo B4 xmas lol 🤣🤣....great video Ben
Absolutely love Freddy ❤❤❤
From your description of the ECU guy , I 100% know who you are talking about 😂
Cant believe i watched the full episode,oops gotta go school run time 😂
Very interesting podcast, great guy
Instant like !
Much appreciated!
One of the reasons that people get impatient with the build projects is that the way they have to be presented makes them look much easier than they really are. We don't get to see all the work and all the parts that go wrong!
“And plus I’m doing a lot of the work myself.”
Translation: “I have a Jack and I’m not afraid to use him.”
😉🤣🤣
I like big builds and I cannot lie!
I start to think there is a connection between the times @tavarish is been on the podcast and the fact that the studio seats are almost identical to his fast and furios lambo ;)
Great podcast
Just as feedback, whatever noise supression software is being used, it's being far too aggressive where it makes the audio kinda awkward to listen to, the trade off from having some negligible background noise to the severe distortions of the voices are likely not worth it imo
Tavarish for President 🇺🇸 🌎
Did you know who was the first person to say" don't put all your eggs in one basket" ? It was a basket maker! you're welcome !
I fast forward (ads from presenter) and skip (YT ads) all adds on RUclips but have to watch commercials when watching TV life. I assume most YT watchers are the same. Do advertisers consider that difference when comparing YT and TV?
@44:05 Freddy, you are very entertaining ure doing great and I want to see the end result whatever it may be because it is your choice/your car but I also want to see if yours will turn out better than the redbull drift p1 which so far with parts from the Commonwealth of PA it will be a better car overall. Also Congratulations on your engagement!!
Awesome interview, one question to all you RUclipsrs, how does it affect your earnings with people who pay from premium viewing so we don’t see the adverts. Do you guys get any income from the premium sales?
We get paid from premium account holders too. Its usually around 20% of the audience! It calculates a percentage and i have no idea what that is 😂🙏
I don't know I'm not their yet ,but only a couple hundred more subs I will be!
I went to Japan and Korea and another reason cars are so expensive because importing it across the ocean is expensive. Also us safety regulations require extra testing as safety features for us models that make it more expensive.
Love freddy dropping the English slang words 'knob' !!!! 😂😂😂
Tavarish is the only one doing this gig and keeping it real. MA, real for a little while, but I don't know if he's keeping it real anymore. Tavarish is a down to earth and relatable solid kinda guy. I think MA is in the danger zone of people not being able to relate and trying to turn his craft into an industrial conveyor belt. Keep it real Tavarish!
I just watch MA building his garage & gym. His girlfriend said the costs are okay it's only £85k so far ......
Getting out of touch, definitely.
Mad love for Freddie
Fascinating chat!!! However this all boils down to advertiser ROI. The market dictates the price. This is a match point between the creator & the business. Basic economics!
However where I disagree with Freddy is the cost of losing a sponsor isn’t just the cash lost due to the lack of that agreement with that one sponsor. It’s the cost to Freddy to find another (& another & another if you once again don’t reach agreement) 😉
@freddy, what you said about new comers low balling the industry is exactly what put me out of the photography business. I started competing with stufents who were willing to charge 10% of the formal rate just to build their portfolio in South Africa
Yes, the P1 McLaren is taking a long time but good things take a long time and I know that when this car comes out it’s gonna be fantastic
Work hard Freddie have what you desire.
I've shipped a lot of Alfa Romeo and Ferrari stuff to the usa, at one point there were so many crashed high end cars over there the numbers were getting close to the ones on the road here, that's how much bigger the market place is in the USA.. BONKERS! I personally wouldn't have bought another rear sub frame, fabricating one would be a cool prospect, to improve things when they developed that car, the heat shields and various things were after thoughts it would be cool to solve those things. With an upgraded rear frame, the engine would come out easier, you'd be able to have access to headers and other things that would normally be engine out. But.. at 6k that subframe is head and shoulders best way forward. Don't go to the dealersheep, stealership :)
The price negotiation cultural difference is spot on 😂
Another banger podcast with Tavarish!
The audio enhancement tool you’ve been using on these podcasts lately seems to be really overpowering and clips off the end of some of your guys sentences, it’s kinda off putting in this one not sure why though. But I still loved the podcast as always!
appreciate the feedback. Its been hard to get the audio right with us both sat close together
The P1 is short compared to the binky build
You need to teach Matt about flexing on people and being humble...
Big Comps to you Freddy, there are less than a handful of you tubers I watch and your one of them, because you keep it real and you keep your audience engaged and your a down to earth guy whos a realist! Keep doing what your doing if you ever get a Ferrari look me up and I'll help you out any way I can. Say hello to M.A. for me I appreciate both of you for what you do and bring to the table! And get that Aventador done having an SVJ in my collection you have your hands full! Best of Luck 🍀🤞
Love freddy ❤
You got that aventador cheap the Huracan engine is around $86,000 back in 2018 I can’t imagine today I use to work for Lamborghini Newport Beach
He flies to the u k and finds more than one way to make it a business expense😊
A great video.
The problem with the P1 build there was never a way you could hide it. the moment you bought it, everybody knew. everybody wanted to know more. everybody wanted to see the end result. You were behind before you started. a TV show would have the whole project completed before they start airing all the episodes. You had no chance to prepare and then have a steady stream before the project even got started. You had to come clean and tell people you bought it and explain your plans right at the moment it started. There was really nothing else you could do. It's the nature of The Times. everybody knows what everybody's doing before they announce it.
I like big builds and I cannot lie! 😂 10:04
if I start a channel, should I just make a new profile to separate it from my personal one?
Is he today back in the UK again ?
Every time i realize that im saving a few hundred dollars on my clothes i like to treat a few of my friends to a trip to Europe first class and be able to stay at some fancy Hotels.
It just makes it all even out.
I wonder if your using Davinci resolve for post production? It has amazing background noise reduction built in. I couldn't hear any bass. A very good result for me after several months is 9k views. But then I'm crap at it 😢 😅🤣
32:41. on the subject of ads and stuff, I pay for youtube premium and its supposed to be ad free so I don't understand how youtubers can interrupt the video to talk about sponsors, technically that's an ad
@@standodge7687 thats a youtubers own sponsor that has nothing to do with RUclips. And if we couldn’t put those ads in you wouldn’t have any of the videos you enjoy
So when we have youtube red we don't see the ads like on normal TV right, and then woth you real life product placement ones y'all do, we've all seen the same ones from every youtuber, which we know you need them to keep making videos of course, we just skip them so does re selling the advert to the company how is that profitable for them?😊
Guys got mad ideas, ability & doesn’t B.S. 🔥
.....and rarely follows through with any of them.
Let’s be real here, it doesn’t matter who you are or what your content is. none of these guys would be raking in the money like they are making, if RUclips didn’t exist.
Yes they work hard and yes they would have a good income regardless if RUclips existed.
But not even close to the money they are getting purely for selling videos through a platform, I am 64 and RUclips to me is just a new concept, I was early retired before RUclips began.
I love these guys, I am a big fan of DDE and Matt Armstrong.
I have followed them from the beginning.
But I really hate it when they say if you work hard like us you too can be successful like us.
That’s like Tom Cruise saying the same thing.
The sole reason they are making millions is because millions of people watch their videos, because they are popular.
So it’s not true to say anyone can do it if they work hard, there are heaps of people out there trying and not getting the subscribers. No matter how hard they work.
No one told the Ozzy croc’s 🐊 they don’t like salt water 👀
I would guess 90% of people watch (especially this kind on content) alone. I think the projection there is a lot of multi viewership is a stretch. And to think Jay leno is watching the P1 videos with his family is laughable. It's also interesting that car content is maybe 50% of what I have watched for the last 10 years on youtube and its not to my memory ever put a Tavarish video on my foryou page, I have only seen him on other creators content.
cant say i have been pushed any of his videos either only seen him on other channels and only this channel from AutoAlex and his other channels
Can confirm that u-pull lots have cool employees who will let you walk out with random clips/bolts you can't get anywhere. 😅
SEE !!! this pod cast is telling us exactly what I have been talking about for a couple of years now.
I am watching these RUclipsrs on air, in their videos saying to us and acting like WTF!!
They can’t believe what’s happening, we all grew up only knowing you leave school you go to college and the one who has the highest grades gets the good jobs and earn the best money.
But this RUclips and video streaming has completely thrown all that out the window.
Stop kidding yourself, there is no way in the world these guys would have what they have if not for RUclips, they would be just like everyone else , no matter how hard they work, look at Matt Armstrong, if not for RUclips he would only be making money on what he gets for selling the car he just built, and the buying and selling the houses he renovates, these things don’t come close to what he gets from doing video streaming and advertising.
Dude, you need to provide any sort of beverage for your guests..guys throats are dry, even you!
Not posting bookmarks is a way to not get your video watched. I just turned it off after 15 mins.
Love u
This episode is a masterclass on making money on youtube.
How many of you would be happy if you have the detailed notes of the podcast so that after listening this podcast you can have and read the important stuff in 10 mins anytime you want.
Let me know your response.
Funny about Mr. Beast, his mom kicked him out when he dropped out of college to do RUclips full time. Dude is worth $500M now, outside of his legal issues that is the kind of money almost no one will ever see yet alone by 26 doing it yourself instead of having billionaire parents.