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Elite RIZER In-Depth Review: Climbing + Steering Simulator
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2024
- The simplest way to explain the new Elite RIZER is that they merged a Wahoo CLIMB with an Elite Sterzo Smart, marrying both the steering aspects of the Sterzo Smart with the up and down functionality of the Wahoo CLIMB. Except, that’d probably ignore perhaps the most interesting piece here: It’s not tied to one brand's hardware.
Anyone with a smart trainer that allows the rear axle to move can use the RIZER to simulate grades as well as steering. Sure, there’s some added bits in the Elite trainers firmware that provides a slightly better experience today, but ultimately, it technologically it works with any ANT+ FE-C trainer on the market (which, is all of them). But we’ll get into that later on. Just like I’ll talk about some interesting little configuration bits they’ve got in there to address things that annoyed Zwift users on the Wahoo KICKR CLIMB.
Now, I’ve been using the RIZER on and off since earlier this spring. First on a prototype unit, then a near-final production unit, and now a final-final production unit. Once I’m done with this ever-growing pile of poles I’ll have two options: The first to glue them all together and consider a career in exotic dancing, or the second, to send them back to Elite. Given nobody wants to see my pole dance, I’ll get them all re-boxed and have them pick them up. That’s just the way I roll.
0:00 The Basics
0:41 Unboxing & Setup
2:00 Compatibility
4:55 Pairing
5:35 Steering in Zwift
6:42 Gradient Simulator
9:47 Advanced Features
12:11 Wahoo KICKR Integration
13:00 Pricing
14:20 Comparison vs KICKR CLIMB
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I've been waiting for someone to release this product for a while. It's another natural progression that's nice to see. If I was a 'trainer guy' I'd definitely buy one.... but I love my smart rollers.
Informative and entertaining. What more could I ask? Thanks again Ray!
I love that your ride Zwift with a saddle bag - you can never be too careful…. 😉👍
Nah, just keepin’ it real: Else I’ll forget to put it on for my next ride outside (I just mainly use one bike indoors and outside).
@@Dcrainmaker Same reason I have a saddle bag on each and every bike I own. Filled with CO2 canisters etc. You can be sure that I I didn't i'd have a puncture miles from anywhere, in the rain.
Just scored an open box model and like a modern person I just unboxed it and started using it without reading any of the paperwork LOL thanks for this review which also contains a bunch of information I needed as a new owner.
Love the vid Ray! Especially you reaching for the button to lower after being at 20% :-)
Hahaha...thanks!
While I'm not in the market for something like this, I'd buy it over the climb despite owning a wahoo kickr. Build quality seems better with the different drive systems for elevation, and having steering built in seems like a nice bit of future proofing by Elite.
Love the Wahoo desk/tripod hack 👍
At slow speeds, you definitely steer by turning handlebars. The faster you go, the bigger role plays inertia. You don't steer by leaning. You steer in the opposite direction (called counter steering) to initiate a turn. A bike moves from beneath you causing your body to fall into a turn (and yes, you can use your body in coordination with steering). You don't lean to steer. You lean to stay in a saddle. If you simply tried steering into a turn at high speed, you'd fly off the bike. The bike would steer and you'd continue straight, toppling the bike on your way out. By leaning, you're employing gravity to combat inertia (centrifugal force). And you use steering to control this process. But it should be no problem for your brain to sort it out. To understand that turning bars moves avatar. You're not actually riding a bicycle and you're fully aware of it. It's not meant to simulate steering. It's not a full motion simulator. It's meant to give you a natural way of interacting with a virtual world. Far better than pushing buttons.
“Price is not ideal for the US market” … I still want one 😃
You should try it with a Rocker Plate... Safety First obviously Ray! 😉. Thank you for everything you do bud!
Yeah, how well does it work on a rocker panel?
These guys know what they are doing. This is a cool as a nice italian espresso machine.
Damn, Combining steering and climbing is actually pretty smart bei Elite. Good job.
Thanks!
I was already planning to get Elite trainers for our home in the USA after getting tired of the belt squeaking in my Tacx trainers where we live in Asia. The ability to get climbing simulation and steering seals the deal. I’m looking for four trainers and two rizers, now. All in, it’s still cheaper than a new Dogma frame
Great report as always & pretty good machine. Tech is making it very easy to just stay indoors & not ride the roads. 😟
Thanks for the great review Ray! Looks like a great training piece, would take me a while to settle on the price though (in Aus). On a side note, what cooling fan is that one? Cheers!
the design is pretty awesome. reminds me of some good coffee making hardware
I’ve had 3 Kickr Climb units fail on me WHILE RIDING over the years. My Venge Pro slammed down from max elevation 2 times and the third time it was about halfway up on a different bike. These are neat but having so many fail over the years is alarming and was enough reason to make me not choose to buy the Wahoo bike. I hope this unit is more robust for people who buy it.
No belt here, screw only.
@@Dcrainmaker The nut on the screw can strip and you will drop to the floor same as a broken belt. In automotive lifts that use a screw there is an additional safety nut that only takes a load once the main nut fails and only allows the unit to lower. Be interesting to ask the manufacturer if they have similar system in place.
@@GregsStoneYard You're dealing with order of magnitude lower forces and there is practically no risk of getting crushed in case of a failure - so I would guess no. The crush risk is really the reason those lifts have it, not potential damage to cars. Also, it should be possible to size the screw so that catastrophic failure is practically impossible. Given the price, that thing better be overbuilt. Rally, I was expecting Elite to undercut Wahoo (at most go for similar price with more features). Strange how they price it above their most expensive trainer. No, I would worry more about what happens in case of motor failure. I think that's a more realistic mode. Also, seeing Ray sprint on it, it really begs a question of how a frame is stressed on this thing. It really looked like it's stressed like it wouldn't be with wheels on. Perhaps just an impression. But too much rigidity and stability isn't necessarily a good thing. As it gives you something to push against. On a road, if you push too much, you're going to fall - naturally limiting forces involved. And tires are going to provide some damping.
Nice T-shirt!
Thanks for the review Ray. I assume that similar to the Climb, the Rizer doesn’t change with elevation in Zwift workouts?
Thanks Ray! After two belts snapped in wahoo (and money returned) I somehow got disappointed and let go on idea of indoor "incline". This is interesting, I need to reconsider...
The riser allows for side to side movements.
Sharp as always ! Any official plan from Elite to release a realistic Wahoo Kicker Bike competitor ?
Good you mentioned the shipping cost as this is really a huge problem for the cycling industry. Also from Asia to Europe prices are crazy high which will be translated in much higher consumer prices.
I’m finding that simply getting hold of anything in stock is the bigger challenge at the moment!
I'd love a handle on the Climb! That thing is a pain to move one handed when I need to put it in or remove it from my bike's fork
Love the framed artwork on your desk during the unboxing, Ray. Where did you get it?
Can you please comment if and how the rizer works with the ERG mode of the trainer?
Great review - thanks!
Great video. Wish it was a bit cheaper for the U.S. market. BTW, where did you source the Yosemite print in the background? Thanks.
Desfit beat you to it by an hour.. waiting for sunrise in Australia for gplama to post. I kid, will watch all 3 of you guys and like all.
Yeah, I started uploading 5 hours prior. It took me 6.5hrs to finish the upload from my locale this week.
Great video as always. I liked the smash button as asked.
I'm in the process of ordering a Tacx Neo 2T after reading your review.
And I wonder if the Rizer would work with that? I don't have it yet so I can't test if the bike moves freely around the axle or not.
Thanks for th good work!
The bike does move freely around my Neo2T, but im still anxious for someone smarter than I am to confirm anything
@@moshinhussain I now have received my neo 2T and tested a bit. The bike turns around but the pegs of the 2t are statics so it scrapes the frame of the bike when it moves. The 2T part where it contacts the frame is like little dentures so with the tension it's not made to move at all. And yup it attacks the paint on the frame quite quickly.
So it could be done but would need parts that let the peg turn for long term use.
By the way my bike is a quick release, this might not be the same with thru axle, I don't know this system well enough to tell.
@@dssamusaran Thank you so much for this response. I do believe that my Thru Axle does not have this same issue. I will need to confirm, but im pretty damned sure
Great review! Have you tried with Tacx? Is it compatible with the Tacx NEO 2T?
Will Elite (or Wahoo) just go totally modular?
I'm thinking if you have an Elite turbo, you can unscrew the legs or base plate and there's an interface which direct connects into an Elite rocker plate. Same with the Rizer, it'll direct mount securely into the rocker plate too and the turbo/rocker/rizer then becomes one connected eco system with a single wall cable, a consolidated data stream and a total rocking, steering, climbing active simulator which can even give road camber feedback etc.
Now I have the pole dancing image stuck in my brain. Thanks for that extremely disconcerting thought.
Happy for the assist!
I’m curious whether this would work on a rocker plate? The Wahoo Kickr Climb is too unstable for rocker plates but the Rizer looks like it could be anchored down.
Hey Ray. What is that new, tripod desk you have there? I really like it.
Hey do you think this would work with a rocker plate?
(assume a DIY one built to accommodate the footprint of the RIZER)
Dang 500-600w while commentating! Chapeau!
You sure got a lot of expensive toys!! I’m jelly for sure! I’ll take any discards.
Forget about the RiZer. Talk about that Lasko fan you have in the corner :) I have the same one. It's pretty badass.
Yeah, I’ve been meaning to…for about a year! 🤣
I can’t see the difference between the clearance on XR and the earlier Direto. You tested both so can you see any difference? P.s. great work👍
woah did you modify that trainer desk? Did you make a video on that? I think I would prefer that to the standard trainer desk stand.
that's it .... I want it
Apparently the price was to high to offer it in the USA since I can't find any USA retailer that is even taking pre-orders (including clevertraining).
Nah. I suspect you’ll see it show up in a couple days. Pricing was literally just finalized late Friday night, hence the addendum looming section in the video.
I see the Elite Drivo II isn't on the list of supported trainers but I don't see how it would impede rotation. The drive side of the casing is dead flat. Does it not re-broadcast the gradient? Has anyone tried that combo?
Man....he just keeps teasing us with that shirt, doesn't he?
nice revieuw , now im curious and want 1 for my neo trainer .
btw does any1 know what fan Ray has in the corner
The Kickr Climb with it's curved base gives a certain amount of natural rocking movement when 'climbing ' out of the saddle & pulling on the bars. With its solid base does the Elite unit permit any rocking action when climbing?
Yup, check out the part of the video where I show/explain how it actually slides on the metal rails forward and back. Cheers!
Just one question... Where did you get that T-shirt?!!
I am interested in how this would combine with an InsideRide E-Flex. I have been looking at adding rotation to the CLMB to allow me to use it with the E-Flex rocker system. I was wondering about your thoughts on whether this has enough steering movement to integrate well with the E-Flex rear unit to make a system that can rock and climb.
Hey DC Can you put on the Saris Mp1?
This looks great! My turbo trainer is a dumb/non-controllable Elite “Turbo Muin” unit that I’ve been clinging on to because I *love* the realistic feeling of the fluid in terms of ride feel (magnetic resistance units just don’t feel the same). Im not technical but is it safe to assume that this Rizer will not work with my trainer?
You joke about the handle, but the number of times I've cursed Tacx for the awkward way they made the neo, no handle, no locking legs, and the only way to grab it you're likely to scrape your knuckles on the cassette...
Oh, I agree, handles should absolutely be required on trainees. Stupid that the Tacx ones don’t have them.
Never had any problem moving Neo, just take it underneath, and it's pretty easy to handle. Never even though this could be a problem.
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Yeah UPS will find a way
Did I see a levelling setting? I'm thinking that Elite trainers use riser blocks, yet Wahoo don't. So how will I ensure that I get the bike level when using it with my Kickr Core? And then, how does that affect the maximum downhill gradient?
Yup, it’s there! Sorry, just ran out of time to talk about it
@@Dcrainmakerthanks Ray. Do we have to eyeball it to get it level?
You always have the coolest shirts, where do you get them?! Love the videos!
Lets talk about that tshirt. Where can I get one?
I expect the Tacx Neo would move from side to side to much for it to work with this one
I hope wahoo make a climb V2 soon
Where can I get your handlebar tai fighter t-shirt? I've seen u wear in in your videos and I NEED IT! lol link please!
Anyone knows what desk is he using ? Thanks in advance
The main reason why Wahoo chose to use a belt for their climb simulator was because their 1st climb device prototypes with actuator (hospital bed) riser threaded bolt system was too slow for virtual reality .
I allready have bought and own the wahoo kickr high end smart trainer and am considering adding a climb device to make indoor riding more real and less boring.
So my main question about the Elite rizer indepth review for you Rainmaker is : "how do you compare the rising & lowering speed of the Elite climb to the Kickr climb ?
No noticeable difference anywhere that I rode in Zwift. I believe the technical spec is 20 seconds to go from -10% to +20%, but that never virtually happens in real life in a span that short, let alone anywhere in Zwift I know of. Smaller grades, sure, but that’s a massive swing.
@@Dcrainmaker Impressive. 👍 Thx for the helpfull Information.
Where can I find the tripod desk?
Is there anyone used rizer with wahoo kick core currently i tot kickr core and looking to buy kickr climb unfortunately after do some research it seem that climb got belt problem
I get why a trainer would support increasing tension to simulate a climb. I love my Tacx Neo 2 as I've made huge gains on that vs my old kinetic drum trainer. But for this, what is the actual benefit of having my bike angle upwards or downwards beyond the novelty? Does it have any measurable impact on training?
Apparently works different muscles.
@@thelmaviaduct I’d also say thst just anything that provided variety and a more immersive experience is motivating and worth the money. This is literally why we’ve seen this massive explosion in indoor cycling with Zwift compared to the old days of simply staring at a garage wall. Anything that helps trick out monkey brains and keep them entertained is worth it and the market clearly shows that
@@XX-is7ps spending £900 on something Elite make is a big risk in my experience, they should stick to water bottles. Even the Sterzo is dodgy and that has 1 moving part, how long will that last?
will it support magene t300?
Anyone know if it would work with drivo 2
Is it compatible with a Tacx Neo trainer?
Does this work with the Jetblack Volt?
can i use it with taxc neo?
But in reality, can you put kickr climb on sterzo and use this way?
Sick shirt!!! Where did you get it?
Do you know if this will work with Wahoo SYSTM and the steering function too?
No steering in SYSTEM, but the up/down portion will work just fine.s
Is it easier to climb when you steer from side to side?
Do you think it will work with an Elite Drivo 2? Can't find anything yay or nay, as if it was forgotten.
Hi there, Rizer cannot work with trainers like the Drivo 2 because they don't allow for rear axle rotation. Compatible trainers like Direto XR or Suito feature a rotating part in the back that allows for bike rotation.
Where can I get that shirt?!!!!
Do these things wear out the axle points at the rear?
Not sure why they would when they provide freedom of movement back and forth?
You’re still not able to have gradient changes during a Zwift workout in erg mode right ??
You could manually change it with the phone app
Since this works with "any trainer", I assume it works with non-interactive smart trainers like the Elite Turbo Muin B+ Smart?
Hi there, although the Rizer will be generally speaking compatible with all latest trainers with the rotating part in the back, from our range it'll work only with the Direto XR, Direto XR-T, Suito, Suito-T and Tuo.
@@elitecycling Ok, thanks for the quick reply!
Thank youuuu
but you cant buy them anywhere???
is the downhill offset for the trainer or just the riser? if it's for the trainer then that is a game-changer. That is a definite advantage in races and group rides, while others are easing up you can keep pushing.
Os Direto XR-T a big deal for 650€?
GTA V has steering too
Think it works with Kickr Move?
what about Tacx Neo or Neo 2
Won't be compatible due to the way the Neo rear mount it
This sounds quieter than the Wahoo climber. Is it?
I didn’t measure them side by side, but seems pretty similar.
Forget the Rizer, WHERE CAN I GET THAT T-SHIRT!!!???
Sweat dripping right on the steel slide rails - seems prone to corroding 😲
Will it work with a wheel on trainer?
Hi Stuart, among compatible trainers, Tuo is the only wheel-on that will work with the Rizer.
Liked the whack button immediately
That’s the spirit!
What ventilator is this in the edge of the room? Lasko?
It's really too bad about that price, otherwise it's a great addition to indoor training
Isn't the rear axle on the XR clamped in hard (like the earlier Kickr), so pivoting puts stress on the rear drop-outs? Or do the adaptors pivot smoothly?
Ugh the price is a bummer... I'm not sure that the market is there at that price point. Implementation is much better than the climb, but 1100 bucks for a gimmick exceeds the price of high end trainers. I'm not sure if I were Elite that I would put this to market right now with the asterisk apology... I'm sure some of the folks who need to have the latest and greatest will bite, but I think most people are going to pass... A shame considering how solid the product looks. I was thinking a release at $599 and settle in to $499 6 months out. Boy was I off!
It’s tough. But they can basically focus on the Euro market for now, which discounts heavily anyway (and Wahoo doesn’t in this market).
Will this unit work with the Tacx NEO 1?
Hi there, Rizer works only with trainers that have the rotating part in the back (like the Direto XR, Direto XR-T, Suito, Suito-T or Tuo), other trainers won't be compatible.
@@elitecycling Even if Tacx developed a mod for the Neo to allow rotation, you would lose the slight "side to side" motion that the Neo provides. The Rizer paired with a Neo which also gives "Road Feel" would be great though !!!
@@elitecycling i feel like my bike rotates very well both ways with a 12mm thru axle on a Neo2T. Has anyone tested this?
@@stevem2939 Agreed!!
@@elitecycling Direto X won’t work?
Smaller box pls
Yeah, I’d agree there would seem to be some opportunity to shrink that somehow.
This is cool, forget peloton.
This was an inevitability for another company to make a better mousetrap. I have a Wahoo Kickr Gen 2, but it won't work with KickR Climb (according to Wahoo). If Ray is correct, this will work with the KickR Gen 2 so problem solved!
Keep in mind a KICKR V2 lacks the slight cutout to allow downwards movement. So double check that. Cheers!
The price is off of chart
Just check the "Don't let axis hide data" setting. It should come back into the chart.
It looks nice...but that price point is too much for me...
Wow, I wish I had known that the Rizer doesn't work when the paired trainer is in ERG mode :-( even with Elite trainers it won't properly go up and down! What a fail, I guess that's the problem with getting the climbing angle information from the trainer instead of the training app? Ugh.
All this time I have looking at your shirt thinking you are a star wars geek, I have just realised they are handlebars 🤦♀️
Just a bike geek. I'm sure DC is a fan of Star Wars, too
I'm new to cycling apps. Really interested in these trainers, but can't help feeling they've 'jumped the shark' when it comes to these apps. To me, off-road training is off-road, so trying to emulate real riding seems a bit pointless. I'd love to know what blind riders think of these things.