Hey man, loved the video and I totally agree about poor foam being a bad idea. I'm also not entirely sold on the better stuff (pink foam sheets), but it's much better. I had a relative that wanted foam in his boat, so I installed the pink foam sheets, but since I was worried it might trap water/moisture, I shimmed the "pink sheets" with just 4 pieces of 1/16" thick aluminum flat stock we had (think it was 1 inch wide), epoxied to the floor, and I cut the foam short of the sides so the water could get from the sides and go uninterrupted towards the middle. I also cut the floor about 1/8" short of the sides, so that now, there's no way for water to get trapped anywhere other than how the hull was designed and moisture can evaporate with the weather freely. It looks a bit ugly, but if you do EVA on the side walls, you won't ever notice it unless you crouch and search for it.
Great info, man! I have a 9 yr old 1648 Tracker also that I am redoing, and I didn't want the labor of removing the floor, but I am considering doing just that after watching this. Thanks again!
Great video, Matt! I like the idea of you designing and building your own line of all-welded hull boats, which could include many of the features you add for tournament fishing! This might be something worth looking into. I have been thinking, why is it that nobody, to my knowledge, has ever built an all-welded aluminum kayak hull. There would be no need for scuppers with a raised deck and a bilge pump. It could be powered by an electric outboard or gas outboard or even a pedal drive on the transom like the Nucanoe Pivot Drive, you could put a Xi3 trolling motor on the front, anyway, just a thought! Keep up the great work, take care and be safe!
Excellent video Matt. I totally agree with you about the pour foam. It’s useless to have it in your boat if it retains moisture in it. It’s like they want it to cause damage to your boat so you will buy a new one instead of repairing it.
I agree with you, get rid of pour foam. I own a Gator Trax Strike Series, built in Louisiana, 100% no foam in my boat. Coast Guard approved, 3/16 hull, love it.
I'd rather have no foam than wet foam. Lots of guys are running 0 foam. Yeah, it helps if the boat is sinking, but most of these tournament boats are fishing small lakes with small motors. In an emergency situation, you could beach the boat in seconds. Its not like they are offshore boats. These are experienced anglers. Some of them pull the drain plug and partially sink their boats just to get under low railroal bridges. Im not saying its a good idea, but personally I have zero concern running no foam.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I really never thought about just banking it. Not sure what type of catastrophe that I would ever encounter that I wouldn't be able to do just that, unless it was hitting a sunken log that I couldn't see. Even then, the center ridge should help with that, if it hits it and not the floor alone. I have heard and seen people on Bass Masters tournaments partially fill their boats to get under bridges and etc.
@@TRICKEDTINSI'm with you on that one. All of the aluminum "utility" boats I have stepped foot on in my life had no foams and we had no issues whatsoever. I don't know how big the waves are in the US, but around here in Canada, we can get 2 foot waves any time, that's excluding the wakes seadoos and sports boats does, and I've never ever been worried to sink a boat, even when I was driving one that had twice the total capacity (was around 800lbs, we had almost 1500lbs excluding motor and gas lol) At least, with no foam, you can see when and where you take on water, and you can act quick about it too. You can't with foam, as you need to have a floor.
You should do the coast guard calculations and see how many cubic feet of foam those boats have to have. It’s crazy. Probably close to 20 cubic feet in a 16’ boat. That’s why they pour foam. Let’s them take advantage of every inch. Like you said, they just try to pass tests and don’t care about longevity. Don’t even get me started on the tracker “float pods”
What about hard plastic sealed bladders in those hollows of benches and side panels.may be harder to replace but still provide floatation just like blue pontoon barrels for docks!!snookie pa.
Where can we buy the aluminum extrusion for the dry hatches? It’s been a few years since I’ve built some and can’t find a source. Mucho appreciated for any info.
First thing on your boats subfloor? Dimpled residential basement subfloor membrane. Never rot, crack, corrode, shrink 100% waterproof and lets your entire boats flooring surface drain. You can pour your pour foam directly on top of it and its good for the life of your boat.
@@TRICKEDTINS think id rather swim away than be napalm burned. it is a better insulator, better bouyancy, not as messy. I dont know much about any of it though. Ive heard people say its how you make diy napalm, Ive heard people say thats prue and utter myth.
The foam isn't there just to pass some BS tests… It also dampens the echoing of the hull slapping the water. For people who fish the flats, Notice how there are extremely few aluminum boats ever fishing the flats… Fish that live is shallow water tend to be a bit skittish and aluminum hulls smacking the water reverberate and the metallic sound carries long distances since there's a higher frequency resonating through he water. That's why 99% of flats boats are fiberglass or even plastic. Liquid foam is also used to seat fuel tanks in most fiberglass boats because it supports the tank perfectly and keeps the fuel cell from bowing downward once loaded with fuel. There are some companies who use foam but it sits on a false base that doesn't touch the bottom of the hull so that water doesn't ever touch the foam. In (mostly) older boats we've dismantled to rebuild, the foam is SOAKED with fuel and they're literal ticking time bombs waiting for any little spark to ignite the entire boat. Some newer boats from extremely reputable brands suffer from this too. I think the solution is to use plastic bladders that you can roll out in the recesses and then fill with air to brace everything well while providing the added security of floatation in the event of a capsize. Great work as always Matt. Get back to work!
I agree it it used for lots of purposes. However if it is holding water/fuel, then something has to change. Ive seen some high end aluminum boats with zero foam. Some companies are building aluminum air locked hulls for flotation. Sealed in different compartments incase of damage. Mostly work boats, and coastguard boats.
They put it in for flotation, I think everything under22’ has to have enough not to actually sink. Think for safety and recovery purposes mostly. If there was none it would sink pretty fast even if you just forgot the plug. It does nothing to help with the weight the hull can float, that’s purely on displacement. It only comes into play once it’s underwater. It’s clear that tracker and them are using it to stiffen up their shittily built boats though, cheaper and faster than aluminum. Gets rid of the loud “tinny” factor too.
I agree on the water holding, I have an old 88’astro bass boat/John hull and I took it all out when I redid it simular to this. I put the pink extruded sheet board foam back in, cut and fit it everywhere it made sense. it adds the flotation and quiets and stiffens up everything. It is also closed cell vs the cheap open cell they use and shouldn’t soak up water like that. If I were you I’d look into that when you want to add or keep floatation or even back up the thin .090” sheet they build these things with. Trouble is with the closed cell is if gas toiches it it melts it so you don’t want a spill or overfill in the hull.
@@TRICKEDTINS cool I should’ve figured you do nice work looks like. I haven’t seen much of your stuff but I’ll go back have a look through next time I’m sitting around watching RUclips for awhile.
It's what the laws are of the Coastguard has to have 10% to 30% flotation based on the length vs. of the boats for any boats that don't have a bilge pump standard that goes for everything even with a belt pump but even more so foam time for how water resistant the foam is not regulated and how it absorbs the water that is never been a high priority only flirtation within the first 6 years of the manufacturer date now on how fast the both deteriorates the Coast Guard doesn't care if they give me post every year anyway for free. Now that they come out with spray foam that's what the majority of them use so they do that no matter what and no matter how far the foam is because they don't consider the expansion of the foam that manufacturers don't care about. Unfortunately, it's more commonplace now than you think because they don't care about the quality they only care about quantity. The phone creates heat and moisture itself if the boat doesn't go in the water it still looks like the moisture is based upon the Heat humidity and coldness of your area and the foam will react and create its bye-creating liquid. Sincerely! R.S.V.
i hate that there are nice boats that i would like to buy. but coast guard mandates flotation in boats under 21-22 ft. sucks there boats you would have to basically destroy the interior to remove/replace saturated foam. I've seen 10 year old boats that are water logged due to wet foam. Hate it. so when boat shopping have to look for simple boats with easy to remove floors. BS
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Hey man, loved the video and I totally agree about poor foam being a bad idea. I'm also not entirely sold on the better stuff (pink foam sheets), but it's much better.
I had a relative that wanted foam in his boat, so I installed the pink foam sheets, but since I was worried it might trap water/moisture, I shimmed the "pink sheets" with just 4 pieces of 1/16" thick aluminum flat stock we had (think it was 1 inch wide), epoxied to the floor, and I cut the foam short of the sides so the water could get from the sides and go uninterrupted towards the middle. I also cut the floor about 1/8" short of the sides, so that now, there's no way for water to get trapped anywhere other than how the hull was designed and moisture can evaporate with the weather freely. It looks a bit ugly, but if you do EVA on the side walls, you won't ever notice it unless you crouch and search for it.
Thanks brotha
Great info, man! I have a 9 yr old 1648 Tracker also that I am redoing, and I didn't want the labor of removing the floor, but I am considering doing just that after watching this. Thanks again!
No problem. Id do it now if you plan on building it out
Great video, Matt! I like the idea of you designing and building your own line of all-welded hull boats, which could include many of the features you add for tournament fishing! This might be something worth looking into. I have been thinking, why is it that nobody, to my knowledge, has ever built an all-welded aluminum kayak hull. There would be no need for scuppers with a raised deck and a bilge pump. It could be powered by an electric outboard or gas outboard or even a pedal drive on the transom like the Nucanoe Pivot Drive, you could put a Xi3 trolling motor on the front, anyway, just a thought! Keep up the great work, take care and be safe!
Thank you. I appreciate it
I will agree, the foam is a concern and really does need addressed!!! Be Safe
Thanks brotha!
Excellent video Matt. I totally agree with you about the pour foam. It’s useless to have it in your boat if it retains moisture in it. It’s like they want it to cause damage to your boat so you will buy a new one instead of repairing it.
Facts
Build your own boats. Might end up being the top of the line mainstream brand. Quality and reliability will be there.
Thank you!
Great info sir! Thank you for sharing this huge issue!
I didnt realize how bad it actually was
i have a lowe 16 big jon only foam is in benches and it doesnt touch the bottom so it drains nicely
Dude all your builds are awesome. Wish I was closer to get 1 built by u.
Thanks brotha
I agree with you, get rid of pour foam. I own a Gator Trax Strike Series, built in Louisiana, 100% no foam in my boat. Coast Guard approved, 3/16 hull, love it.
Thats what Im talking about!
@@TRICKEDTINS thanks
Is it better to have no foam at all? I always thought that helped keep it from totally sinking if it filled up with water.
I'd rather have no foam than wet foam. Lots of guys are running 0 foam. Yeah, it helps if the boat is sinking, but most of these tournament boats are fishing small lakes with small motors. In an emergency situation, you could beach the boat in seconds. Its not like they are offshore boats. These are experienced anglers. Some of them pull the drain plug and partially sink their boats just to get under low railroal bridges. Im not saying its a good idea, but personally I have zero concern running no foam.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. I really never thought about just banking it. Not sure what type of catastrophe that I would ever encounter that I wouldn't be able to do just that, unless it was hitting a sunken log that I couldn't see. Even then, the center ridge should help with that, if it hits it and not the floor alone.
I have heard and seen people on Bass Masters tournaments partially fill their boats to get under bridges and etc.
@@TRICKEDTINSI'm with you on that one. All of the aluminum "utility" boats I have stepped foot on in my life had no foams and we had no issues whatsoever. I don't know how big the waves are in the US, but around here in Canada, we can get 2 foot waves any time, that's excluding the wakes seadoos and sports boats does, and I've never ever been worried to sink a boat, even when I was driving one that had twice the total capacity (was around 800lbs, we had almost 1500lbs excluding motor and gas lol) At least, with no foam, you can see when and where you take on water, and you can act quick about it too. You can't with foam, as you need to have a floor.
You should do the coast guard calculations and see how many cubic feet of foam those boats have to have. It’s crazy. Probably close to 20 cubic feet in a 16’ boat. That’s why they pour foam. Let’s them take advantage of every inch. Like you said, they just try to pass tests and don’t care about longevity. Don’t even get me started on the tracker “float pods”
Hahaha sounds like you have experience with it. Thanks for sharing!
What about hard plastic sealed bladders in those hollows of benches and side panels.may be harder to replace but still provide floatation just like blue pontoon barrels for docks!!snookie pa.
Not a bad idea thanks for sharing.
Where can we buy the aluminum extrusion for the dry hatches?
It’s been a few years since I’ve built some and can’t find a source.
Mucho appreciated for any info.
TrickedTinsJonboats.com
I just got 200- 20 foot extrusions delivered yesterday. Call me if you want to place an order. 757-337-9505
First thing on your boats subfloor? Dimpled residential basement subfloor membrane. Never rot, crack, corrode, shrink 100% waterproof and lets your entire boats flooring surface drain. You can pour your pour foam directly on top of it and its good for the life of your boat.
Never heard of it. Ill check it out
many boats running around with up to 1000 lbs of wet, dirty, sandy, salty foam, even if it looks dry on top, its soaked on bottom never dries.
Facts
Literally just saw ur sticker on ur car bro lol nice content! Don't worry bro I'll sub I gotchu!
Awesome thanks man.
@@TRICKEDTINS ofc!
My boat is 475 lighter after removing the old wet foam from it. In an 18' jet boat that makes a world of difference.
Hell 475 pounds would make a difference in any boat lol
so, whats worse water logged foam or foam board around gasoline add a spark and you have a napalm raft?
I dont think anything is worse than waterlogged foam lol
@@TRICKEDTINS think id rather swim away than be napalm burned. it is a better insulator, better bouyancy, not as messy. I dont know much about any of it though. Ive heard people say its how you make diy napalm, Ive heard people say thats prue and utter myth.
Ya sucks how they get away with this shit. I hear you and agree
Bro Tracker is on my shit list. I'm 🤔 about selling mine...
Good video bro
Thanks brotha!
The foam isn't there just to pass some BS tests… It also dampens the echoing of the hull slapping the water. For people who fish the flats, Notice how there are extremely few aluminum boats ever fishing the flats… Fish that live is shallow water tend to be a bit skittish and aluminum hulls smacking the water reverberate and the metallic sound carries long distances since there's a higher frequency resonating through he water. That's why 99% of flats boats are fiberglass or even plastic.
Liquid foam is also used to seat fuel tanks in most fiberglass boats because it supports the tank perfectly and keeps the fuel cell from bowing downward once loaded with fuel. There are some companies who use foam but it sits on a false base that doesn't touch the bottom of the hull so that water doesn't ever touch the foam. In (mostly) older boats we've dismantled to rebuild, the foam is SOAKED with fuel and they're literal ticking time bombs waiting for any little spark to ignite the entire boat. Some newer boats from extremely reputable brands suffer from this too.
I think the solution is to use plastic bladders that you can roll out in the recesses and then fill with air to brace everything well while providing the added security of floatation in the event of a capsize.
Great work as always Matt. Get back to work!
I agree it it used for lots of purposes. However if it is holding water/fuel, then something has to change. Ive seen some high end aluminum boats with zero foam. Some companies are building aluminum air locked hulls for flotation. Sealed in different compartments incase of damage. Mostly work boats, and coastguard boats.
They put it in for flotation, I think everything under22’ has to have enough not to actually sink. Think for safety and recovery purposes mostly. If there was none it would sink pretty fast even if you just forgot the plug. It does nothing to help with the weight the hull can float, that’s purely on displacement. It only comes into play once it’s underwater. It’s clear that tracker and them are using it to stiffen up their shittily built boats though, cheaper and faster than aluminum. Gets rid of the loud “tinny” factor too.
I agree on the water holding, I have an old 88’astro bass boat/John hull and I took it all out when I redid it simular to this. I put the pink extruded sheet board foam back in, cut and fit it everywhere it made sense. it adds the flotation and quiets and stiffens up everything. It is also closed cell vs the cheap open cell they use and shouldn’t soak up water like that. If I were you I’d look into that when you want to add or keep floatation or even back up the thin .090” sheet they build these things with. Trouble is with the closed cell is if gas toiches it it melts it so you don’t want a spill or overfill in the hull.
All i use on my builds is closed cell sheet foam
@@TRICKEDTINS cool I should’ve figured you do nice work looks like. I haven’t seen much of your stuff but I’ll go back have a look through next time I’m sitting around watching RUclips for awhile.
It's what the laws are of the Coastguard has to have 10% to 30% flotation based on the length vs. of the boats for any boats that don't have a bilge pump standard that goes for everything even with a belt pump but even more so foam time for how water resistant the foam is not regulated and how it absorbs the water that is never been a high priority only flirtation within the first 6 years of the manufacturer date now on how fast the both deteriorates the Coast Guard doesn't care if they give me post every year anyway for free.
Now that they come out with spray foam that's what the majority of them use so they do that no matter what and no matter how far the foam is because they don't consider the expansion of the foam that manufacturers don't care about.
Unfortunately, it's more commonplace now than you think because they don't care about the quality they only care about quantity.
The phone creates heat and moisture itself if the boat doesn't go in the water it still looks like the moisture is based upon the Heat humidity and coldness of your area and the foam will react and create its bye-creating liquid.
Sincerely!
R.S.V.
I agree that quality has taken the backseat.
dug out foam out of my boat still not done got over 150 pounds of it in a 14 foot boat and its less then half done lol
It's ridiculous. There's a reason all my favorite builds are Weldbilts.
i hate that there are nice boats that i would like to buy. but coast guard mandates flotation in boats under 21-22 ft.
sucks there boats you would have to basically destroy the interior to remove/replace saturated foam. I've seen 10 year old boats that are water logged due to wet foam.
Hate it.
so when boat shopping have to look for simple boats with easy to remove floors. BS
Thats why I stick to Weldbilts. A lot less demo, way lighter, cheaper, Plus you can order them bare bones.