DIY Double Insulated Glass || Save Money [How To]
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Safe a lot of money and make your own double insulated glass.
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Thanks for the video! Didn't know that foam with desiccant existed. Genius product.
I am really impressed with all of the jigs, fixtures and tools you make in order for your projects come all together and dead on. You are always thinking the job all the way through.
Thanks!
I plan to do this in the future thanks for the demonstration, as a hobby TIG welder I am equipped with Argon gas and will find a way to argon purge my windows. for anyone watching you could probably rent/ pay a welder to fill your windows with some argon. Be safe.
One of the most amazingly informative videos on RUclips! Thanks so much! Can't wait to try this.
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Awesome video! Thank you for sharing. I hope one day I'll be able to fix it for myself.
I recall installing a huge set of double pane windows in a kit house ai helped build. The kit was created in Boston, then trucked to the mountains in Texas, so the windows could not be sealed, due to elevation change. At the top of each window, there was a small hole in the frame, with a thin copper tube, which was the argon fill spout, which we had to crush shut with pliers, then fill the hole with sealant.
Anyways, I think if you ever did this again and wanted to fill your panes, you could get a small tank of welding argon from a welding supply shop, and do something similar.
Yeah, figure out a way to hook it up to some hvac vacuum gauges and vacuum.
@@Thomas-wn7cl well, Argon being heavier than air, simply having a way to ‘pour’ it in, and a vent for air to escape, you should be able to fill it by guesswork.
@Vikingwerk hvac way would only need one hole, and it would evacuate much of the moisture, and have a port to add argon on the gauges.
Thanks. I researched this. Found only 2 or 3 vids on this subject. Your vid made it more DIY friendly
Thanks. I was also having a hard time finding a good video of this process on RUclips. but I linked in the description a channel that does the exact same thing, but with aluminum frames.
I love that we are teaching each other how to do anything. Rock on.
Agreed, Just wish there was more emphasis on the learning side of RUclips, and less on the sensationalized side of RUclips. Half the time in my search results I have to scroll a few pages past click bait to get to a video that's actually informative.
@@HoneyBadgerWoodWorks I spend hours a day learning about gardening. People in this genre seem very generous. Thanks for your effort.
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@@HoneyBadgerWoodWorks I'm doing a permaculture food forest. I've got apple trees and blueberry's. I grew onions from seed as well. Lots of hot peppers for a friend.
That's awesome!
Just to give some help on double/triple glazed unit making, at the start and end points of your foam spacer there is a tape called mylar tape it's silver in appearance, and once the foam spacer is laid you just cut a piece of tape to help provide a air tight seal at the edge as the corners of the unit is usually the weakest point to allow moisture in once the desiccant in the foam spacer is spent, to help provide longevity of life in the unit. also on the edges of the foam spacer is the blue tape (stripping band) , above that there usually lies and thin bead of butyl that helps adhere to the glass to allow expansion/contraction due to weather/climate but as i see this is a way of building home made I.G.s that would be a bigger expense, but putting mylar tape would defiantly be a better proposition for you in creating an air tight seal, keep up the great work 👍
Great instructions! For someone who plans on doing a lot of custom small panes you could setup a dehumidifier in one room and let it run several days before proceeding with the job. You can rent a cylinder of argon gas that we use for welding with a regulator. You will need two large veterinary hypodermic needles. One needle needs to connect with the gas output of the regulator while the second needle will be placed on the opposite side of the panel through the foam strip. WARNING! Please use a regulator set for its lowest possible setting and slowly purge the air out of the void. If you use too much pressure or without a regulator you will wind up with a glass bomb blowing up in your face! After a few minutes, turn off the gas supply and remove the supply needle and quickly apply a small dab of sealant to the first hole then quickly move to the second needle, remove it and seal that hole with a dab of sealant. Then proceed to fill the remains gap between the panes with the sealant. The larger the window the longer it will take to purge the air out of the pane.
Agreed, I think if you want the gas in there you can figure out how to do it. I didn't think the effort was worth it in this case after reading the pros and cons of argon. But for sure it is doable.
These doors are turning out fantastic. Making these has been a learning experience for you and your viewers. Now you’re ready for mass production (lol).
Hahahaha, I'll pass on that one.
Great subject and video to go along with it, thanks for posting. Further paving the way for those of us who enjoy learning new skills and providing and doing for ourselves.
Thanks.
Very cool!
There's a product called Bloxygen which is just a spray can of argon gas. Its intended use is to spray some argon into partially emptied cans of paint or finish as you close the lid; it displaces the air so the paint doesn't skin over. I would think that one could use it to spray some argon between the sheets of glass before laying on the second sheet. Might work. 🤷
Worth looking into.
This is an amazing video! Thank you I was going to put a saw curve in the outside edge of wood for the glass to sit in and space it apart and then seal it is a whole lot more efficient and better thank you
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Definitely going to try this.
Nice!
Excellent explanation!
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Awesome video! So informative! I've saved this for later use. Please use a riving knife and keep your fingers farther from the table saw blade. I had a kickback injury that probably would have taken two fingers if i didn't have a sawstop, instead i just needed 4 stitches. My hand was probably 4-6 inches from the blade making a rabbet when it happened.
Yeah I need to replace my riving knife, I've been lazy about ordering a new one.
Very nice job as always looking very good!!!👍👌💯
Very nice video...Thanks for sharing your approach to the process...Well done!!!
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Interesting and well explained. Thanks for posting, and thumbs up.
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Impressive, nice job!!
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Awesome process! It is looking so good!
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Thank you, it looks easy for you, but this is always due to a massive amount of talent, you could make anything ! And you have a beautiful pair of hands.
I think anyone can do it. This was my first time trying this out and it went well .
Thanks for sharing your knowledge! 👍👍👍👍👍 & Subscribed!!!
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What a great video! I have frosted glass and I'm going to have a crack at doing this DIY soon.
the only issue is my window is 24x48 in. is this too big for your spacer tape? Should I use aluminum spacers instead?
I don’t think that size would be an issue, but the website has really good guides I would double check the recs. I choose not to go aluminum because people on multiple sources said they are not as good as the foam.
Thanks for the great video!
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Thanks for the video. This is exactly what I was looking for. I am trying to work up a cost estimate for my project. A few questions: 1) Did you use tempered glass? Where did you get your glass? 2) I see that the spacer comes in 66 ft lengths, so its pretty easy for me to figure out how much I need. Any idea how many ft you can get out of 1 tube of the sealant? How many tubes did you use in your french door project?
You are supposed to use tempered glass for pass through doors. I used almost exactly three tubes of caulk and I had 20 of these that were about 14.5 x 8.5 inches. 1/4 spacer, thicker spacer would need more sealant.
Thankyou Ma'am. My daughter has friends how started redoing an interesting little off grid house but material prices are driving them to a stop. My daughter has asked me to help them with a bunch of free labour. I'm 74 and retired so I am good to do a bit. I have a lift of 2 inch cedar and a good woodshop so here we go. We wanted to do a custom front door but costs said NO. With your idea for double glaze glass and the book by John Birchard the door idea they have should be something we can do. They thought glass chevrons with diamond shapes up the middle would be nice but that custom glass was a problem. Thankyou and God bless.
I know the cost of materials is a real deterrent. That’s why I tried to emphasize that these are not the same as commercial argon units, but I think they will do a fine job at a fraction of the cost. Do you have a habitat for humanity or an architectural restoration store near you? Sometimes you can get real lucky finding excellent second hand pieces. And refinishing work while boring is something I find very DIY friendly if they don’t have a lot of experience.
Great video! However, just wondering what happens to condensation, since you're not sucking any vacuum into the cell?
Where I live condensation won’t really be an issue (if it is one) until winter. And while adding gas and a vacuum is ideal, it’s not necessary. As long as my seal around the edge doesn’t let air in I won’t have an issue.
Excellent. Very creative.
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So cool that you posted this vid, I have six 4'x6' casement units to make for my four season porch project. The money saved is enormous. Just the difference between material costs of 2019 and 2024 is sickening. Thank you so much, your tone and speed of speech is pleasant and easy to follow.
Material cost is insane. These aren’t going to be as good as some commercial products. But it think they will work well enough.
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Pretty cool!
You are fearless.
Great job.
Have a good week.
You have a great week too.
What an ingenious solution! That is so awesome. The doors look great - nice job!
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Nice presentation. This should encourage a lot of diy couch sitters to attempt this. I would like to point out something that may be a problem however. If you use some kind of RTV sealant you can't guarantee it will keep out moisture. RTV cures from the moisture in the air and it must be permeable in order to cure all the way through. Anyone who has an old tube of the stuff probably had to toss it because there was a plug of cured material part way down from the cap, even though the cap was tight. A much better material would be butyl or polyurethane. However, the RTV might work better if you can argon fill. The argon is a big molecule and, unless there is a true leak, would likely keep moisture out fairly well. Another problem is that the whole glass assembly tends to "breath" because of temperature changes. Without a perfect seal, ie glass to glass, even argon would eventually be displaced. I had some steel doors that needed single Pane windows replaced with something better. I went through the whole process and determined that no seal material that I tried would moisture seal enough to prevent condensation, and no desiccant would last more than 2 or 3 seasons. However, when I filled with argon they were good for at least 5 years before fogging. These windows were on the north and south doors and the south would always fail first. All this work was an interesting personal experiment for me, another learning experience. Others would probably have different results. Always have fun.
The sealant I used in the video is the recommended sealant suggested by the manufacturer for the product I used. I usually don't mess with changing manufacturer recommendations, especially since both products are produced by the same company. One of the reasons I decided to forgo argon was reading about the pros and cons. Add even the commercial units leak argon at at least 1% a year, and aren't guaranteed not to fog. This was a cost effective solution to the problem.
Thanks Caitlin, you never fail to amaze. Love your templates for assembling these double paned glass units. You also covered my question about the moisture without my having to ask.
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Omg this is epic! Instant sub, so glad the algorithm ended me up on this channel.
Hahaha. Thanks.
You have achieved my ambition of making the insulated window product on a craftsman’s-craftswoman’s-scale. Great research, work and presentation. What about applying one of the reflective films available to one of the glass panels or even suspending a reflective film within the glass panels?
Excellent work Caitlin, those doors are turning out magnificent¡¡¡, what a great job on the double glazing, excellent idea. A hug
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Well you learn something every day, have never seen or even thought you could make you own double glazed units and with a couple of jigs the process seems fairly easy, could definitely get a bit messy but you can’t have it all, what a great video many thanks 👌👌👌👍👍👍🇦🇺
That black silicone gets everywhere.
Cool. Nice work. I built a couple round windows for my step van rear doors out of plexiglass with double panes and get fogging between the panes in the winter. I separated the panes with 1/4 inch cork underlay. I don't quite understand how the moisture gets in there because I sealed with silicone where the external layer of plexiglass meets the aluminum of the door. Is it getting in from the inside of the door or outside?
WHen I was making it I was wondering if I should also use silicone between the cork and 2nd interior layer of glass. Maybe I should have done that.
Yeah unfortunately if you have fogging air is getting in somehow. All it takes ins one small gap to mess it all up which is why I’m keeping my fingers crossed for these ones and winter-time.
Great video! I can see where someone might be concerned about the windows fogging. Perhaps if you gave the interior a shot of dry gas, like CO2 or Argon before dropping the top pane on?
It is my understanding that the gas they put in the panes does not prevent fogging. It makes the air gap more energy efficient because the gas is denser than air, so it improves the units thermal insulation efficiency. Fogging occurs when moisture gets trap in-between the two panes and condenses because of the difference in air temperature inside vs. outside the house. The way moisture gets in is if the outer seal of the double insulated unit has a leak, which can happen from poor quality seals, or over time due to wear and tear. No matter the window quality or what the air gap is filled with, if there is a break in the seal you will get fogging.
While the gasses are better insulators than air, the fact they have no moisture is what would be key for limited fogging. Depending on what your shops RH is, there’ll be some moisture in ordinary air.
@@lordpaxman MY shop humidity is really low, it was still chilly outside (which in my climate usually means low humidity) and we haven't had rain in a while. That foam has desiccants in it so any moisture trapped inside will hopefully get absorbed.
Amazing job
Thanks!
Yes, I'll go along with the "fearless..." cheers...rr Normandy, Fra.
adding a hole on bottom and top and putting argon gas in there is not that hard. argon is available for welding and should go through a drying filter. as argon is heavy, the air escapes from top when you push in argon from bottom. when the gas coming out of the top hole starts disrupting a burning candle, you are putting out argon and you can seal the top hole, flip glass over, remove hose from "bottom" hole and quickly plug it as well and you have an argon filled double pane glass with far less chance of condensation.
For this project I did not think dealing with figuring out a way to do the argon worth it. After reading about the pros and cons, and getting an energy audit of the room I think it would just be an added expense. But I agree if you want to do it for your project there as ways to do it. Regardless of what is in between the panes if there is a break in the seal that is where moisture gets in and fogs the windows. It can happen on these DIY ones I made and it can happen on high end commercial units.
Amazing job! Never knew this was possible as a diy
Great work
I think it would be very easy to install temporary tubes during your assembly process to pump in argon then seal the tube hole with sealant..?
I did a fair amount of reading about the pros and cons of argon before tackling this project. And for my project (emphasis on my project) I didn't think finding a way to add argon to these to be worth the extra cost and hassle.
A small suggestion
If one is concerned about a little fogging
Why not put a small gel pack in a corner that they use in herbals?
Do you think that might keep a lot of moisture out.
This super spacer foam has desiccants in it. Can not remember if I mentioned that in the video.
@@HoneyBadgerWoodWorks If you did I missed it
But good to know
Coolness. I suppose if I wanted to make argon filled glass, I could use the same process, but then build a vacuum chamber box that I could attach a vacuum pump to, and some sort of tube with a ball inflation needle hooked to a cylinder of argon. Now my wheels are turning, and I'm going to be up all night dreaming about making windows.
Well if you figure it out make a video because people really like the idea of argon.
@@HoneyBadgerWoodWorks If you could somehow incorporate a basketball fill valve into your insulation ring and seal on your glass, you could use a vacuum pump to draw trapped air out,(just like you would pump up a ball with a needle and compressor) and then refill the it with argon gas with an argon gas cylinder (in theory) It can't be that complicated. If I can fix my refrigerator, I can fix a glass sandwich.
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@3:15 why did you use the table saw instead of the router? I've watched you do these types of cuts in lots of your videos (and your good at it) but it seems to me a router would be easier since you just send it through once and you're done.
The table saw has just turned into my go to for stuff like this, I honestly forget about the router a lot of times. I’m making the glass bead molding for my French doors so I have it setup for that anyways.
@@HoneyBadgerWoodWorks Right on. I was just curious since you had the router (DIY router lift) video a little while ago. BTW those doors are looking fantastic.
Thanks for update. Would it be possible to draw a vacuum before completing the caulking?
I'm sure you could.
Sorry, in description? You mentioned links in video to supplier for the insulating tape with foil which is what I cannot find online anywhere or in your video? Please if can supply a name of product and supplier it would be greatly appreciated
Each RUclips video has a description box all my links are in there. If you are watching the video on a tv it won’t show up. But on a computer or a phone click the description and the links are there.
I’m also in the comments for this, the suspense is killing me
The double-paned glass will help with energy efficiency, but I expect it will also help the door to last longer: condensation running down into the frames will be a lot less, which will mean the wood will be drier on average than if you had used a single pane.
The argon would only be a marginal and temporary improvement: still dry air is a really good insulator, and argon, nitrogen, and oxygen all diffuse through silicone pretty rapidly, so even the pro windows end up full of something very much like air in the long run.
These were pretty much my sentiments after reading about the argon. If you have the money go for it, but I don’t think not having the gas makes for bad units. Plus, I don’t mention this in the video but this is going in a sun room with 7 huge windows. You are only as strong as the weakest link in that situation. And those windows are doubles, but not filled with gas.
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, this is something that I will be doing, in my part of Australia (Queensland) double glassing is not really used, but coming from the UK where it is a building code requirement I know the benefits. I want to use it to both keep the heat out during the hot summer months and for noise with us building near a road and railway line. I will have to see where I can buy that super spacer product here in Australia.
Thanks! In the videos I linked he shows the same process but with aluminum you fill with desiccants. Aluminum isn’t considered the best spacer material but I think you start to get into semantics with opinions on this stuff. Might be easier to source that.
@@HoneyBadgerWoodWorks I had a look online and a company called CR Laurence based in Sydney seem to sell the Super Spacer in Australia, I will find out how much a roll they charge for it, looking on the US sites it looks to be under $150 per roll, but it could be double that in Australia, I shouldn't have any problems making up the double glazed units, because like you I come from a woodworking background.
@@nigelknight1435 Oh nice, that's the company that manufactured mine. price varies by the size of the spacer. Mine is 1/4x1/4.
Hi HB, I'm curious do you enjoy the versatility of the projects you take or do regret some? It seems you enjoy them, is that for the channel or do really enjoy them? I think you are able to do anything you set your mind to!!! Again another outstanding video! Timothy
I enjoy the versatility for sure, I get bored very easily. If I do too many cabinet builds in a row I start to hate it. However, from a business perspective it is more cost effective and lucrative to work in a specialization. You can layout your shop and buy all the tools for repeatability. If I made nothing but tables I could get so fast are producing them.
Can you add links to the products you used? Thanks!
Yes, sorry I’ll do it the next time I’m at my computer.
was concerned about fogging til you mentioned the dessicant property in the foam sealer. looks like a good job and better idea. well done
I hoping that is what keeps them fog free as well.
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HB , nice job, yes D/G units are very expensive, wait until you go to triple glazed, I’ve only done two jobs like this, one was just three windows,
But I made a lift and slide patio door , Cannot remember the precise size, but it took six of us to lift a unit unit into place, And if I remember rightly, the two units cost £1600, and this was about 16/7 years ago, and as you can imagine it was a very expensive job, When it came to the day to be paid, they started saying to me that there was cold air coming in from outside, Ha Ha , Obviously trying to either reduce payment or not paying me at all, I’ve had a few clients like this during the course of my working career, I asked my client to go and get a candle, which I lit and then went round the whole of the sliding door, unset to them if his air coming in, we will see the flame flicker, Four minutes later, I was being paid in full, Keep up with great work stay safe, I love the idea of making your own sealed units, I still have literally 102 m of rubber sealant to go round the internal and external or windows, And there is a special pair of scissors to use to cut the mitres on the joints on the ends, this past scissors cost £120 roughly, depending whether you are cutting internal joints or external joints is depending on how you use the scissors it has two razor blades inside of it , just cuts a notch-out .
I'm lucky I've never had someone refuse payment or try to get something for free/a discount. That would be so infuriating to deal with.
Watched video and mentions link at end for spacer tape with silica? Nothing at end so can anyone help with link?
All the links I have are in the description.
Anyone can buy argon but nitrogen works justvas well and should be slighty cheeper!
Nice try, but that will fog up in under a year because you have moisture trapped inside.
That's why the super spacer has desiccants in it. But, I'll keep his video updated with how well the units stand up over time. So check back next year for a potential I told ya so moment.
Thr process you showed is essentially how hardware stores fix customer windows that are doubled paned.
That's good to know, thanks!
Those prices are outrageous. Would be a couple of hundred of euro's at most here.
One of the estimates I got was 1200.00 and that was just for the glass and cutting it. Not even double insulated. The order these online was over 50.00 per unit and I needed 20.
Should have worn rubber gloves, your finger prints on the inner side of the glass will be anoying... 🖐
I didn’t touch the inside of the glass after I cleaned it. So nothing to be annoyed about.
And you should mind your own business.
Strange use of a featherboard. Not safe and defeats the purpose, saw the profiles tilting while sawing...😮
I do not agree with this deduction. The purpose of a feather board is to keep the stock tight against the fence, and to reduce kickback. In sped up clips minor movements look bigger. The cuts turned out perfect which is proven by the fact they fit my jig and had a uniform gap around the perimeter like I was intending.
Stop eating the microphone, then speak up. Enunciate, and project.
I probably should stop eating microphones, it's becoming a very expensive habit.
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Great job Kat, love your ability to improvise.
Thanks!