I love that Bach is intelligent enough to debate properly, I swear that's the first time I've ever heard Arthur actually admit that his opinion isn't rock solid and infallible
As far as the thumbnails, I like how The Fellas do it which is put the person in the background if they are talked about but them w the mic and in the foreground if they're an actual guest
I’m Chilean and I got so jump scared when you guys started shouting Chile 😭😭 love that you went to that club though latin American community is amazing ❤️
language change is something i look at a loooot for my a-levels and its actually super fascinating! there's loads of studies/theories/concepts that argue for both an increase and a decrease in language variation in england, so loved hearing your thoughts and would love to see more chat about language, it's such a complex and interesting topic!!
Bach tbh I haven't seen many of your tiktoks and I'm not really bothered what KSI thinks but since watching this podcast you have made me laugh out loud so many times. You are hilarious!
This is genuinely the most enjoyable podcast i’ve ever watched - they both match my humour so perfectly but also have such interesting and engaging conversations to go along with it, honestly perfect.
Things with accents get tricky when it's accents from English as a second language. The line between parody and mockery is not well defined, too easy to cross.
what is with this episode that feels so weird lol the plants r so green are you sure arthur didnt go crazy with the editing AND WHERES THE THUMBNAIL LOL
Topic suggestion: synaesthesia, or more specifically time-space synaesthesia. I find it interesting that we can think very differently from each other in terms of what, for example, months, years and numbers "look like" in our minds and how it can help our memory.
I'm not into podcasts but since ive started work i dont listen to music much so i tried podcast and I've been binge-ing this one for 2 days now and today I've gone through 10 straight listening to you guys 🎉
My take on acts of selflessness is that once you begin to question or you become aware of what you may gain from the event, that is when it no longer exists.
Hearing you guys read that egg story was actually really fascinating. I guess it can be interpreted many ways and even tho i dont believe in reincarnation i took from that story the idea that mankind is all one entity and the fact that we are all beings is something that unities us and that we should treat each other with kindness on the basis that we are all living the same type of existence. I dont know, it was very beautiful listening to yous read that.
This is perfect. Got into this maybe two or three days ago and have been smashing through them. Just finished today and was so sad I’d have nothing to sleep to, now it’s 3am (couldn’t sleep LOL) and this just dropped. Thank gosh. Love this pod and I am VERY picky!
Bach and Arthur, I’m intrigued your guys opinions on nociception and the idea that pain is not a real as we have no recpetors for it and ‘it’s all in your head’ due to noxious stimuli being relayed to the brain? As a student physio we get taught this theory but I just have a hard time believing it considering I’ve injured myself badly and experienced quite severe pain myself. Love you guys!
I think that the fact that there may be no truly selfish act could be a good thing. It could be linked to karma, the fact that you feel good about yourself after doing something nice is a good thing, it's a kind of reward for your actions which will encourage you to do the same in the future.
I'd love to hear you both speak more on the topic of euthanasia, with regards to not just terminally ill people but people that are mentally ill having it as an accessible option to end their suffering. There was a case this year a woman by the name of Zoraya ter Beek who died by assisted suicide due to suffering from poor mental health which stirred up a lot of controversy and it would be interesting to hear your thoughts. It's something I am very passionate about and strongly believe should be openly discussed more!
The thing is, a lot of places outside of london don't really pay attention to the living wage. I'm 20 and the living wage for me is around £8/9, but I've been paying rent since I was 17 and for council house people with good and fair parents it's normally even younger. It seems unfair but my single mum working minimum wage herself physically cannot support it, so I'm happy to pay my dues. My job luckily pays around 11.50, but that's rare in rural and coastal areas. I live in an extremely tourist heavy place so you'd expect more, but you don't get more.
The debate about altruism is actually really interesting because there have been psychological studies that show how altruism is different in individualistic cultures (US/UK/The West) compared to collectivist cultures (the East). With individualistic cultures since the need of the self is placed above the needs of the collective, it’s believed that in individualistic cultures altruism is mainly based on the self and how helping others can increase one’s happiness. Whereas in collectivist cultures the needs of the collective are prioritised so their altruism has been found to be based on the recipient and how your actions can solely benefit the recipient. There’s one study in particular (Weiss-Sidi & Riemer., 2023) that tested happiness after different types of altruistic actions/tasks, and they found that with individualistic cultures there was a positive effect of altruistic behaviour on happiness, supporting the whole ‘impure’ altruism/no actions could ever be selfless notion (because they do to feel better about themselves). But for collectivist cultures altruistic behaviour did not have a positive effect on happiness, leading to a ‘purer’ version of altruism, which could be evidence that pure altruism does exists and is showcased by certain populations. But then again you could argue that strengthening ties with the community for their own benefit is the reason for their actions, and therefore not selfless. That doesn’t mean their actions are selfish or self-serving though because usually actions are done with the other person’s benefit in mind, but I guess there’d always be the unconscious rationale of how it can be beneficial to the self. I think true altruism does exist purely because the intentions for the actions are to help someone else. The way it can benefit you is secondary/unconscious if that makes sense, like a by-product. Like a mother giving up her child for adoption, knowing they won’t be able to take care of them properly, would be an example of pure altruism in my opinion. They know they can’t provide for the child, so they give the child away, and they’ll always be wondering if it was the right choice or not because the child isn’t guaranteed a good family. Anyways this is long enough, and I’ve waffled so much but I just thought it was interesting. I am by no means an expert though, just a psychology student that's heavily interested in social psychology :)) Love the podcast
Some states or cities in the US thought about getting rid of tips but waiting staff fought against it. Even though without tips their salary is terrible the tips are so good they can actually make decent money serving tables, they found if they removed tips and switched just to a higher base salary their income would decrease so they threw out the proposed changes. It feels like a good idea to get rid of tipping but at least sometimes its much better for the staff waiting the tables
32:46 I thought of the pro-life / free-choice type of situation. Woman A wants to get an abortion, woman B thinks this is not what they want truly (as B believes everyone naturally *wants* to become a mother but due to, lets say, economical difficulties they would avoid it), B tries to convince A but eventually "allows" them to get the procedure since A was not gonna change idea. B doesn't gain what they want and A does. Is it a good example? Or something along these lines prolly idk
Accents are such a slippery slope especially with children having access to the internet. My brother and sister had an american accent for 2 years because of youtube kids
in terms of the euthanasia discussion i think for me the issue is if you wouldn't allow a fully able-bodied person to go through with a decision to end their life but would allow it for someone who is disabled or terminally ill, the inherent message there is that the disabled/terminally ill person's life is not worth as much as the other persons, so for that reason I don't think I could ever fully support legalisation of euthanasia as it forces humanity to decide who is worth supporting to live happily or who we should allow to die
My family have always taught me to remove the service charge and tip in cash to your waiter, cuz a lot of the time the charge goes to the managers pocket
49:42 idk what im talking abt here so please correct me if im wrong but for samsung because its a korean company isn’t it because the korean ㅓ (u/eo) in 삼성 (samsung) despite being romanised as ‘u’ is pronounced as more of an ‘eo’? like is that another one that is different because of the way the country of origin says it or is it just different in general and i’m making stuff up 😭
you’re correct, if they spelt it “samseong” people would pronounce the eo in samseong like ee ong and not ung and that’s probably why they chose to spell it samsung instead of samseong
Truly selfless act! I think it comes down to giving someone something they want that has a negative effect for you, unintentionally. So therefore you get no joy out of it or satisfaction of performing a good act. For example, eating a sandwich in public, walking away from the table for something, and coming back to find a stranger eating your food. Also - sound board ASAP please
Regarding the "something can never be truly be selfless", I feel like there's a line to be drawn when its the expectation of recieving something and the actual outcome of the event In a situation of wanting to do good, aware of the fact i might not receive anything for what i am abiut to do, I could still expect another person to give me something back after doing a good deed when I'm the losing party But when i do it and just as the terms, get nothing for it, i consider that a selfless act because the outcome was that i didnt get anything but i did lose something and i did a good deed being aware of the fact that i might gain nothing The expection is what makes an act never really selfless, that aside, truly selfless actions can definitely exist
Kant believed that there was such thing as a truly selfish act, he said that we should all act, not on our contingencies (our desires and urges, including e.g. the urge to be altruistic) but on the only necessity there is- the good will, which is the objectively correct thing to do. An example is people going to war- if person A goes to war because they love their family and want to protect them, they are acting on contingency. If person B goes to war purely because it is the right thing to do, not because they gain anything, then they are acting out of good will. Person B is, in Kant's opinion, a better person because they are reliable, what is right and wrong will never change but our desires will.
Free will is something that we covered in a level philosophy and it's quite difficult to digest but free will is logically incompatible with choice. So personally I think Arthur's argument is inconsistent because he says that we don't have free will but we do have choice- we were just always going to choose to do what we did. But if it was written down that we were always going to e.g. snap our fingers, then we had no choice but to snap our fingers although it feels like something we decided to do.
36:54 What about risking ur life to save others? In the moment u wouldn’t think “oh I’m gonna die as a hero hip hop hooray for me I’m going down in history as a legend” no ur thinking these ppls lives matter
Could a selfless act be something like jumping Infront of a car to push a stranger out of the way and dying. Because you wouldn't be able to get any emotional or material gain from it as you would be dead right? and if it was a split decision as well you wouldn't be able to gain any satisfaction that your doing a good thing either.
1:00:54 but i think the difference is that if someone is buying a £300 meal then they are clearly reasonably well off and therefore the tip is more proportionate? not sure.. personally i think we shouldn’t need tips and that businesses should just pay their employees properly but🤷♀️
also with the thing about selfless acts i guess that could be applied to religious people who deep down part of the reason they are doing that is because they want to please god or get judged as good when going to the afterlife
“Let Bach have a sound board” we all say in unison
5 minutes in and Arthur has already confessed to a warcrime, it must be Thursday again
I LOVE ANIMALS AND I WOULD NEVER DO ANYTHING BAD TO THEM BECAUSE I HAVE A LIFE UNLIKE UTTP,,,
I love that Bach is intelligent enough to debate properly, I swear that's the first time I've ever heard Arthur actually admit that his opinion isn't rock solid and infallible
yeah but free will doesn’t exist and neither does true selflessness so technically he’s right
I do just sit here and watch you two 😭
same 😭
Lmao me too. I was so embarrassed when they said that!
lmao literally theyre so entertaining
Me too! Much prefer it lol
me too and this is the only podcast I've been enjoying enough to consistently watch each episode 😄
loved Bach's little comment everytime Arthur said "Sandwich"😭
I was giggling
Samwich* 😂
SAMWETCH
Wow, there's been 13 KSI beefs? That's a lot
petition to get bach a soundboard
Bach with a soundboard is the end of Arthur
Could be fun tbh
I can't believe I've just left a Bach and Arthur podcast feeling like a smarter person.
We absolutely need a Bach soundboard with Arthur voiceclips👏🏼👏🏼
“You’re on thin ice.”
“Why what have I done?”
“Speaking of thin ice, more like three stripes”
best segue ever😭
Segue!
He follows and that
As far as the thumbnails, I like how The Fellas do it which is put the person in the background if they are talked about but them w the mic and in the foreground if they're an actual guest
Knowing a new episode was coming today was the only thing that got me through my last alevel exam
congrats!
well done!! which exam was it? got my last chem paper tomorrow im so done with a levels 😵💫
@@rab.j thank you!! It was philosophy 😭 good luck tomorrow:)
@@poppyedwards656 thank you!!
@@rab.j same!! gl 😭
Hoping the Victorian child makes an appearance next time 🙏🏽
i love the way they be sittin in these
I’m Chilean and I got so jump scared when you guys started shouting Chile 😭😭 love that you went to that club though latin American community is amazing ❤️
Bach you are the funniest person I've ever come across BY A MILE
He's only really popular with young women
MY QUESTION LMAOOOOO. Where IS the soundboard for bach????
Reallllllll
👆🏼👆🏼petition for bachs soundboy
having these guys on in the background why i do revision is so relaxing and nice
PLEASE LET BACH HAVE A SOUNDBOARD
Help what’s a soundboard
Why did Arthur never acknowledge Bach repeating sandwich whenever he said it
language change is something i look at a loooot for my a-levels and its actually super fascinating! there's loads of studies/theories/concepts that argue for both an increase and a decrease in language variation in england, so loved hearing your thoughts and would love to see more chat about language, it's such a complex and interesting topic!!
I did english lang a level too, this was interesting and cool to hear!! :))
@@amiann43 it’s a super fantastic course!!
@@pagesbyheidiGot a C in the end due to the grade boundaries 💔💔
@@amiann43 hey a C is still super good!! grade boundaries are soso evil though, which exam board were you on??
@@pagesbyheidiAQA. I was getting As and Bs throughout the year then the boundaries were just so harsh xx
The dramatic reading was actually so interesting I will have endless shower thoughts now
I love this podcast because I appreciate the balance of silliness and funny stories with the contrasting deeper philosophical talks
lighting looks really good!!
Arthur's completely unprompted confession to waterboarding is WILD
Bach tbh I haven't seen many of your tiktoks and I'm not really bothered what KSI thinks but since watching this podcast you have made me laugh out loud so many times. You are hilarious!
This is genuinely the most enjoyable podcast i’ve ever watched - they both match my humour so perfectly but also have such interesting and engaging conversations to go along with it, honestly perfect.
Things with accents get tricky when it's accents from English as a second language. The line between parody and mockery is not well defined, too easy to cross.
"I'm...Leona Lewis?"
"And all the milions people you have k*lled"
"They will get it"
😂😂😂😂
i’m very excited for the new set!
Am I the only person that watches these like a normal RUclips video or does everyone do other things while they just listen??😭
Sameee
@@MilenaLoveable sameeeee
PLEASE MORE DEBATES
I never listen to podcasts unless that’s the only option, idk why it just helps to process it more when I can see the people speaking
can already tell this pod is going to slay
Hey girl
Bach and Arthur both completely not knowing that Samsung is Korean and not Japanese killed me 💀💀
lighting looks great tbh
justice for bach’s sound board
‘I’ve been allowed a mug’ 😭😭😭
what is with this episode that feels so weird lol the plants r so green are you sure arthur didnt go crazy with the editing AND WHERES THE THUMBNAIL LOL
The lights look better in this one tbh 6:50
Genuinely my favourite duo. love these two.
Early upload + the title we were all waiting for...couldnt be better!
Yaaaaassssss I needed to listen to you guys. It’s actually need ❤
been waiting to hear about a set upgrade especially space station themed that would be sick
Topic suggestion: synaesthesia, or more specifically time-space synaesthesia. I find it interesting that we can think very differently from each other in terms of what, for example, months, years and numbers "look like" in our minds and how it can help our memory.
I'm not into podcasts but since ive started work i dont listen to music much so i tried podcast and I've been binge-ing this one for 2 days now and today I've gone through 10 straight listening to you guys 🎉
My take on acts of selflessness is that once you begin to question or you become aware of what you may gain from the event, that is when it no longer exists.
Hearing you guys read that egg story was actually really fascinating. I guess it can be interpreted many ways and even tho i dont believe in reincarnation i took from that story the idea that mankind is all one entity and the fact that we are all beings is something that unities us and that we should treat each other with kindness on the basis that we are all living the same type of existence. I dont know, it was very beautiful listening to yous read that.
The US minimum wage thing is so crazy wtf
This is perfect. Got into this maybe two or three days ago and have been smashing through them. Just finished today and was so sad I’d have nothing to sleep to, now it’s 3am (couldn’t sleep LOL) and this just dropped. Thank gosh. Love this pod and I am VERY picky!
Bach and Arthur, I’m intrigued your guys opinions on nociception and the idea that pain is not a real as we have no recpetors for it and ‘it’s all in your head’ due to noxious stimuli being relayed to the brain? As a student physio we get taught this theory but I just have a hard time believing it considering I’ve injured myself badly and experienced quite severe pain myself.
Love you guys!
Interesting!
those who mock Bach will NEVER get to become werewolves one day if people start turning into them. this is the punishment they deserve
I think that the fact that there may be no truly selfish act could be a good thing. It could be linked to karma, the fact that you feel good about yourself after doing something nice is a good thing, it's a kind of reward for your actions which will encourage you to do the same in the future.
Omg the egg theory. there was like a month of my life where I was obsessed with it😂
When are we getting “ᵂᴴᴬᵀ” merch?
I'd love to hear you both speak more on the topic of euthanasia, with regards to not just terminally ill people but people that are mentally ill having it as an accessible option to end their suffering. There was a case this year a woman by the name of Zoraya ter Beek who died by assisted suicide due to suffering from poor mental health which stirred up a lot of controversy and it would be interesting to hear your thoughts. It's something I am very passionate about and strongly believe should be openly discussed more!
I love putting this podcast on while I'm working 😊
The thing is, a lot of places outside of london don't really pay attention to the living wage. I'm 20 and the living wage for me is around £8/9, but I've been paying rent since I was 17 and for council house people with good and fair parents it's normally even younger. It seems unfair but my single mum working minimum wage herself physically cannot support it, so I'm happy to pay my dues. My job luckily pays around 11.50, but that's rare in rural and coastal areas. I live in an extremely tourist heavy place so you'd expect more, but you don't get more.
minimum wage*** sorry! can't edit for some reason.
If we're all the same soul, existing in different bodies, is every "romp" just a "self love" session?
I’ll cut Arthur’s moments of sound board and put it together for u Bach don’t u worry💪🏻
The debate about altruism is actually really interesting because there have been psychological studies that show how altruism is different in individualistic cultures (US/UK/The West) compared to collectivist cultures (the East).
With individualistic cultures since the need of the self is placed above the needs of the collective, it’s believed that in individualistic cultures altruism is mainly based on the self and how helping others can increase one’s happiness. Whereas in collectivist cultures the needs of the collective are prioritised so their altruism has been found to be based on the recipient and how your actions can solely benefit the recipient.
There’s one study in particular (Weiss-Sidi & Riemer., 2023) that tested happiness after different types of altruistic actions/tasks, and they found that with individualistic cultures there was a positive effect of altruistic behaviour on happiness, supporting the whole ‘impure’ altruism/no actions could ever be selfless notion (because they do to feel better about themselves).
But for collectivist cultures altruistic behaviour did not have a positive effect on happiness, leading to a ‘purer’ version of altruism, which could be evidence that pure altruism does exists and is showcased by certain populations. But then again you could argue that strengthening ties with the community for their own benefit is the reason for their actions, and therefore not selfless.
That doesn’t mean their actions are selfish or self-serving though because usually actions are done with the other person’s benefit in mind, but I guess there’d always be the unconscious rationale of how it can be beneficial to the self.
I think true altruism does exist purely because the intentions for the actions are to help someone else. The way it can benefit you is secondary/unconscious if that makes sense, like a by-product. Like a mother giving up her child for adoption, knowing they won’t be able to take care of them properly, would be an example of pure altruism in my opinion. They know they can’t provide for the child, so they give the child away, and they’ll always be wondering if it was the right choice or not because the child isn’t guaranteed a good family.
Anyways this is long enough, and I’ve waffled so much but I just thought it was interesting. I am by no means an expert though, just a psychology student that's heavily interested in social psychology :)) Love the podcast
Some states or cities in the US thought about getting rid of tips but waiting staff fought against it. Even though without tips their salary is terrible the tips are so good they can actually make decent money serving tables, they found if they removed tips and switched just to a higher base salary their income would decrease so they threw out the proposed changes. It feels like a good idea to get rid of tipping but at least sometimes its much better for the staff waiting the tables
who needs a thumbnail? so true
32:46 I thought of the pro-life / free-choice type of situation.
Woman A wants to get an abortion, woman B thinks this is not what they want truly (as B believes everyone naturally *wants* to become a mother but due to, lets say, economical difficulties they would avoid it), B tries to convince A but eventually "allows" them to get the procedure since A was not gonna change idea.
B doesn't gain what they want and A does.
Is it a good example? Or something along these lines prolly idk
omg yes london show 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
the mr beat comment aged well...
Very well…
49:00 yall samsung is korean😭😭😭
37:30 im crying at italian saying sanwich and arthur just doesn’t care
Accents are such a slippery slope especially with children having access to the internet. My brother and sister had an american accent for 2 years because of youtube kids
23:30 this is so me, my whole family is european and I was raised in Australia, I definitely don't sound purely English or Australian 🤷♀
you should talk about psychological debates such as nature/nurture or free will/determinism
in terms of the euthanasia discussion i think for me the issue is if you wouldn't allow a fully able-bodied person to go through with a decision to end their life but would allow it for someone who is disabled or terminally ill, the inherent message there is that the disabled/terminally ill person's life is not worth as much as the other persons, so for that reason I don't think I could ever fully support legalisation of euthanasia as it forces humanity to decide who is worth supporting to live happily or who we should allow to die
My family have always taught me to remove the service charge and tip in cash to your waiter, cuz a lot of the time the charge goes to the managers pocket
49:42 idk what im talking abt here so please correct me if im wrong but for samsung because its a korean company isn’t it because the korean ㅓ (u/eo) in 삼성 (samsung) despite being romanised as ‘u’ is pronounced as more of an ‘eo’? like is that another one that is different because of the way the country of origin says it or is it just different in general and i’m making stuff up 😭
you’re correct, if they spelt it “samseong” people would pronounce the eo in samseong like ee ong and not ung and that’s probably why they chose to spell it samsung instead of samseong
Free will ep 📈📈📈
Petition for Bach to get a soundboard!
Banging lightning this episode
Truly selfless act! I think it comes down to giving someone something they want that has a negative effect for you, unintentionally. So therefore you get no joy out of it or satisfaction of performing a good act. For example, eating a sandwich in public, walking away from the table for something, and coming back to find a stranger eating your food.
Also - sound board ASAP please
Regarding the "something can never be truly be selfless", I feel like there's a line to be drawn when its the expectation of recieving something and the actual outcome of the event
In a situation of wanting to do good, aware of the fact i might not receive anything for what i am abiut to do, I could still expect another person to give me something back after doing a good deed when I'm the losing party
But when i do it and just as the terms, get nothing for it, i consider that a selfless act because the outcome was that i didnt get anything but i did lose something and i did a good deed being aware of the fact that i might gain nothing
The expection is what makes an act never really selfless, that aside, truly selfless actions can definitely exist
Kant believed that there was such thing as a truly selfish act, he said that we should all act, not on our contingencies (our desires and urges, including e.g. the urge to be altruistic) but on the only necessity there is- the good will, which is the objectively correct thing to do. An example is people going to war- if person A goes to war because they love their family and want to protect them, they are acting on contingency. If person B goes to war purely because it is the right thing to do, not because they gain anything, then they are acting out of good will. Person B is, in Kant's opinion, a better person because they are reliable, what is right and wrong will never change but our desires will.
NOTTTTTT HUAWEIII IM AMERICAN AND ITS (wahhhway) you guys are hilarious.
Bach should write a disstrack against JJ
In the US if your party of over a certain amount of people some places put a mandatory percentage on the bill and you can add to it if willing.
It’s okay Bach, you’re a special boy
Free will is something that we covered in a level philosophy and it's quite difficult to digest but free will is logically incompatible with choice. So personally I think Arthur's argument is inconsistent because he says that we don't have free will but we do have choice- we were just always going to choose to do what we did. But if it was written down that we were always going to e.g. snap our fingers, then we had no choice but to snap our fingers although it feels like something we decided to do.
Arthur suggesting Porsche is Italian hurt my soul
And now followed by Samsung being Japanese 😂
Give Bach a soundboard
36:54 What about risking ur life to save others? In the moment u wouldn’t think “oh I’m gonna die as a hero hip hop hooray for me I’m going down in history as a legend” no ur thinking these ppls lives matter
48:50 Samsung is South Korean 😂😂
Could a selfless act be something like jumping Infront of a car to push a stranger out of the way and dying. Because you wouldn't be able to get any emotional or material gain from it as you would be dead right? and if it was a split decision as well you wouldn't be able to gain any satisfaction that your doing a good thing either.
Free Bach give him a sound board oohhh but let him record it himself pleaseee
1:00:54 but i think the difference is that if someone is buying a £300 meal then they are clearly reasonably well off and therefore the tip is more proportionate? not sure.. personally i think we shouldn’t need tips and that businesses should just pay their employees properly but🤷♀️
GET BACH HIS SOUNDBOARD!!!! OR WE WILL RIOT
Just a random thought but if you guys ever did stickers I would join the patreon 👀🤷🏻♂️
also with the thing about selfless acts i guess that could be applied to religious people who deep down part of the reason they are doing that is because they want to please god or get judged as good when going to the afterlife
Please do the soundboard lmao could make for some great comedic timing
Cant wait for the red bull competition!
It seems like KSI is a huge fan of this podcast, he can’t stay away!
NOT THE CHUNKZ & FILLY'S MUG😂😂😂😂