I’m a Law student, and I can tell you that a lot of the points against it in your video can be explained. For starters, as a company you need to establish and touch legal base on all numbers of issues including the potential problems that may arise from the potential infringement. This includes not just the Copyright infringement but also potential defamation of the intellectual property in question. Nintendo’s biggest problem wasn’t the copyright. The issue is that the SML audience is large enough to where the Mario characters featured in the videos can easily be misrepresented or misassociated with the Super Mario brand. That’s why they made sure to address the exact violations of the trademark. As a corporation you need to be explicitly specific especially if you are arguing that the infringing party in question has used your property in an inappropriate manner. You need to establish what exactly was done, the potential offending parties, and so on. Also if you’ve ever looked at similar Cease and Desist Letters from Nintendo they’ve stated clearly the exact violations of their work. The vitriol and manner of the letter is obviously a precedent but it’s important to understand why in a legal standpoint every complaint needs to be established. As for the Address, it was sent to his email account first indicating this was a printed a copy, you can see that directly on the right of the copy so it likely meant that they sent it to his email first and the most recent address on file was likely his apartment assuming you would be correct. Which even then, I don’t claim to know Logan’s address but that point just seems like pure speculation as very few numbers were able to be discerned.Also Nintendo has several different third party law firms representing them that use different signatures and names there is no one lawyer or firm that represents just the company, they’re an international corporation. Logan likely deleted the letter off his story because showing the document in public is legally dangerous. I mean I could totally be wrong and it could be an elaborate fake, but I feel there’s more grounds to believe it is legitimate.
I also want to make clear as well that it is very likely the name of the Law Firm being blacked out. Most Corporate Law firms do not list the logo of the company they represent in their letters for punctuality reasons and because they are contractors and Third parties working on behalf of a company
Oh and to answer the Why Now issue. You have to understand how Legal Casework and Asset Protection work. People don’t immediately go to a lawyer and expect instant action. A proper corporate law firm is required to build a case first hand with direct evidence and more to even establish the cease and desist can be valid so that way if anyone attempts to countersue they’ll have an entire case to base their arguments on. For example, Nintendo didn’t immediately shut down fangame projects and other things immediately, they waited months if not years after they were publicized. Plus general corporate law work is slow and methodical and really takes time itself.
To bring on the potential chances this was faked. I find it highly unlikely. It’s a crime to impersonate a law firm and it’d be cause for a potential libel suit. And to bring in the comments asking conspiracy questions such as why his videos are still up. The Cease and Desist letter does not state they would have to give up their older videos and given the nature of the internet enforcing this would be extremely difficult and not worth the effort, and it’d be in theory much easier to enforce future content.
@@IcyDiamond I can’t tell if that was sarcastic. But thank you. I for one am just happy seeing the channel implode given the nature of its content, but I also wanted to educate people spreading potential falsehoods why it makes sense
Actually now that I think of it, Nintendo never really cared about Logan or even SML. People used to send emails to Nintendo for reasons and they never cared. Something ain’t right.
@@compositefrog1811 Or it could be an angry fan and either Logan is going along with it, or (and I hope it’s not true) straight up actually 100% believes it.
I meant to mention this, but it's also possible (again, POSSIBLE) Logan DID get a letter from Nintendo, but the one floating around right now isn't it.
That has problems too. If the circulating letter is fake, then Logan somehow got ahold of it and believed it was the same one he got in his mail. I mean he can be gullible but I don't think he's that gullible.
I did some Google Maps detective work and apparently the address matches up with Logan's parents house (where Logan lived before 2015) so that's even weirder.
The human puppets wouldn’t suck if they just remodeled them and made them look more like Brooklyn Guy or Chef Pee Pee or any other decent looking puppet on SML.
My theory is that since Logan is growing older, this is the start of a stunt to kill off his own channel, so he can have a ludacrous but believable reasoning for his channel to end. I’m sure he ENJOYED doing this all but knowing how under pressure demonetization and restriction he’s been under over the past years is an understandable reason on why he wouldn’t wanna do this anymore.
Maybe ................................................ ..................then again he needs a way to pay for his lamborghinis and house so maybe not, idk
Like I mean if he quit he wouldn't be able to live his rich lifestyle where he can buy multiple supercars and expensive vacations so I don't think that's the case as it would be stupid to give that up I'm pretty sure the letter is real
Another thing about the letter is the font. The whole thing looks like somthing basic in microsoft word, using the basic calibri font. Anyone who has any professional experience writing for a high profile company would use real watermarks and a high profile format. It really seems likely a troll sent him this, anf that's being generous on the situation.
I didn't see the letter in the response video about this situation, so it's a bit more suspicious. Also, why send Logan a c&d letter? Wouldn't be more convenient to send an email?
@@SuwawakosOldWorld Lawyers have to send somthing formal to anyone who's possible in getting sued. An email would be a secondary option, but a physical document is something that could be referneced better in a court of law.
This is the biggest thing ever since The Jeffy era I think that the puppet era is going to be even worse than The Jeffy era and The Jeffy era made almost all of Logan's OG fans disappear I am not looking forward to what's coming next I'm so close to quitting sure I might stay with Logan until The bitter end but his channel has been on a downward spiral for five years the jokes have not gotten better the writing has not gotten better and the characters have also not gotten better my God this channel really did go downhill
@Adolf Hitler yeah you're right but I don't think Logan will redesign the puppets I've seen that idea been thrown around and it's not a bad one however I think Logan is too greedy and lazy to do it
He also said in the behind the scenes of Rich Brooklyn Guy that “this scene would be easier with plushes”. The means of it were to be fake, he must have fallen for it.
I'm guessing the letter could've likely been sent from a former fan of SML and put Nintendo's name included and likely caused Logan to actually fall for the letter.
@Adolf Hitler because if they were to sue him a physical document holds better in court and I'm sure mailing a letter is not that hard to do during a pandemic
If they didn’t get a cease and desist a long time ago, they wouldn’t have now. If this was an inside job my guess is that they did it because they either wanted to avoid getting a cease and desist, which is unlikely, or they just want to be able to sell puppets of the main characters.
That, and the switch was possibly done because of RUclips's draconian rules that demonetizes channels for "inappropriate use of family-friendly characters".
1:55 so if that rules out nintendo then that rules out logan as well, why would he mess up his own house address and then cover it up instead of printing another one
@@IcyDiamond but doesnt that also make it looks like nintendo didnt do it, if he was trying to forge a letter from a multi million dollar company then he would have put the right address
@@TheDigitalApple remember, Logan likes money. who doesn’t? Logan would not go out of his way to fake the actual cease and desist letter, as it would make him probably lose money (if the puppets do become permanent) and could get him in trouble with Nintendo. This is obvious shit so I really can’t believe he’d fake it on purpose.
It doesn't look like he's faking it. The cease and desist might be fake, but if it is, then it most likely is something faked by someone who is against Logan, not Logan himself. There's no way he's scummy enough to do us like THAT.
@@Theoneandonlyvro I'm actually a big fan but the plushes have been a mainstay since the beginning and if Logan can't do them anymore, I am quitting SML.
@@krillin2k112 also the things he had the characters do when his videos were waiting stream that’s why he got demonetized twice and that’s another reason why he probably got this letter if it’s real
Quick question, why would Logan want to use the human puppets when he knows that most people don't like them? That's the main reason i don't think he would fake this because there is barely any reward for him in that sense. In fact, he's gonna be losing viewers if he switches over to the human puppets, and hes not gonna gain anything. Just a thought
Logan also posted on his story "Things will be very different from now on" I was curious on why he said this so I checked his yt channel and he completely rebranded the channel. Did a troll send him the letter? Is Logan purposely using this as an excuse to permanently use the puppets and hoping we will just get used to them? I think Logan might be lying so we would have no choice but to get used to the puppets, I highly doubt over 10+ years of using the Nintendo characters they JUST NOW send him a Cease and Desist letter, I hope im wrong because if wat I say is true than Logan is screwing himself.
This might be true as Logan has just rebranded to sml and changed super bowser logan to sml and not using the full name and removed the resemblance of charaters from the profile photo and he renamed the back up channels to sml vlogs and sml backup
He’s used Mario, Pokemon, and SpongeBob soundtrack in his older videos, the X-Files theme in Zombie Bowser, Fortnite emote themes in Mr. Goodman’s Credit Card and Jeffy Goes To The Arcade, and Among Us game stings in Among Us, but nothing else of copyright other than that.
Another thing that kinda implies it’s is that especially with all the popularity SML has had as well as many controversies,Nintendo would’ve very likely known about Logan and his content and would’ve done that around say 2017 or 2018. The fact that Nintendo just so happened to do this now just seems a bit fishy.
How would this benefit Logan though? If this info got out that this is fake, then everyone would hate him, also didn’t he say himself that’s he hated the human puppets, if it’s fake my theory will be that he’s doing this to sell the remaining human puppets and then say that Nintendo lifted the cease and desist after begging them to take it back, I’m more leaning towards real but it could very well be fake
@@ScoutTF92 annnnnd the kids would get arrested and sent home, Logan would literally get sued up the ass, he'll make a post and/or video of him getting mad like an idiot
logan confirms this is a real note, which i hope it is cause if it turns out to not be real, he could get major backlash and possibly be canceled. but id keep watching anyway
This might be sml *REAL* downfall Since they can't use puppets now Not that I have any hatred against them, but since everyone else hates them, this might not be good, so logan have to put his A game into this, my recommendation is that he REDO the puppets to make an ACCURATE representation of the plushies
This C and D is kinda SUS to me. Kind of a way to have the human puppets to be in all the videos and push the old plushes out. Who here thinks it is SUS?
Logan is now backed into a corner he can't escape. If this letter is real, being forced to use those puppets no one likes will turn a lot of people away. If it's fake, it will piss off his fans and they will probably leave sml out of disgust.
Doesn’t Lance live at the old apartment also didn’t Nintendo send a Nintendo switch to Logan’s house for the giveaway so how did they not have his address
It's kinda hard to think it was from Nintendo, because they didn't have a problem before, why decide to take action now ESPECIALLY since he's not doing anything as bad as before
I'm with you on the letter being fishy, but the timing isn't a good reason to prove that point. There were MANY other Nintendo fanmade projects such as for example, Pixelmon that got cease and desist letters long after the projects were made. Nintendo as a company doesn't spend all day hunting down on fan projects and youtube channels, some may get shut down early, while some could be done for later.
The Paper was sent to his moms house. Because the old SML store was linked to his moms house, and even if the letter was fake. WHY WOULD HE DELETE HIS 9M SUBS CHANNEL.
The only reason he would do that would be that he just didn’t care about it anymore (which is what I think based off of how I saw everything unfold from the puppet rebrand to all the other things following through). He already couldn’t make money off of it and his Super Luigi Logan channel. His brand was clearly tied to the store and meet and greets and the like, so he needed some way to get rid of the copyrighted stuff to avoid it actually happening. He probably talked to someone who works at Nintendo so that he could pull this off. He wasn’t trying to deviate anyone, he just didn’t want to bother with the brand for the possibility of possibly getting sued, so he created a scenario which he gets “sued” so he justifies eliminating his old works since he wants nothing to do with them. I believe he wanted to do this in February 2020, but due to Covid, he pushed things back a year to 2021 instead.
*Super Mario Logan Last Video - Jeffy Dies* *If Logan ever decides to go into a depression and give up this would be the last video.* *All of the characters from start to finish reunite together and tie Jeffy to a Rocket and blow him up into the sky with a huge explosion thus being a celebration and to the end of SML.* *...Also Mama Luigi would light the rocket lol*
I don't get it. If this C&D letter is "suspicious" as people claim it to be, then your trying to say he faked this? What would Logan have to benefit from faking a C&D letter? Logan is smart enough to understand that faking something like this could very much damage his reputation (as if it wasn't already damaged enough).
The worst Nintendo division is Nintendo of America. The reason why is because Doug Bowser is a former CEO of EA (makes sense, huh?). Sure, he gave King Koopa his iconic American name, but yeah.
Eh, I don't think Logan not having Nintendo characters to use will be as detrimental as you say. Dude barely even uses concepts from the Mario series as often as he did, only doing it once in a while, its pretty much just Mario characters in a realistic setting. Like yeah, the appeal of the Mario characters will be gone, but at this point, the characters in SML are so detached from their original counterpoints that they're pretty much completely different characters. I think if Logan can redesign the human puppets into something more visually appealing, he can deal with the situation.
I think it was SkipDip who was behind the C&D letter. He was also known for trying to False Flag SML and was also responsible for the Swatting situation
I could honestly believe both Logan forging a fake cease and desist AND Nintendo sending one. Years after the drama with Logan in 2017 became irrelevant.
I go with the other opinion that a fan made the letter and send it to another address to make it look real because why would Nintendo target somebody after two years once he went viral from the news.
Would they also sue: Collegehumor/TimeWarner, Stephen Colbert and Pete Homes for also borrowing many Super Mario sprites? Logan might be the worst human being on RUclips, but bear in mind: The DMCA system is a huge joke that could easily be exploited, Capcom and Square are also loving the idea of just SHUT IT DOWN TOO HATEFUL AND PROBLEMATIC.
Well we all know what happened He deleted all his channels he redesigned the nintendo characters and despite all this he still gets millions of viewers each video
0:29 even though I’m seven months late, I seriously think the cease and desist is fake because Logan is never honest and he wants attention. When you see his writing, it’s messed up so he was probably just too lazy and wanted attention immediately. The other reasons are in the comments and in this video.
My original theory was "Some angry fan just wrote this for unknown reasons, and Logan fell for it." But, the incorrect address makes no sense, to me. Logan no longer owns or lives in the apartment, I believe Chris owns it, now, so why is letter being specifically delivered to him sent to a house that he does not own? It's confusing me. This point denies a lot of the other theories to the point where I don't know if this is real or fake. As for me, I think I'll be sticking around on SML maybe until summer, just to see how it goes. Who knows? Logan has really only used the puppets in videos, nowadays to advertise new puppets, maybe he'll try and make the best of it. Deep down, these characters are still Junior, Jeffy, and Mario (Don't know what'll happened to characters like Shrek or Black Yoshi, though)maybe their personalities will still shine through in videos that are not literally advertisements.
Logan actually said in the vid that it was sent to his Mom's house, because that is where he started SML, and it is ths address his old website was registered under.
I think it might be real, because there's no way any sane person would delete their channel with almost 10 MILLION subscribers just to use some puppets Well to be fair, the newest SML channel almost as 8 million subscribers after only 3 years.
Ok so I am a little late but I would not believe this if Logan did not delete his channel with 9 million subscribers I would really believe that it’s a real letter because nobody would willingly do that.
Guys guys, don’t worry (yes I think he did really get a cease and desist letter), he will get to use the plushies. Me and other people are going to raid Nintendo’s YT channel, scam them, spam in the comments, we will do a bunch of stuff to them until we get those plushies back on SML
Honestly the template for the cease and desist letter is literally a free template off google and you’d think they’d use the same template as the one you showed.
I do feel a little suspicious about this C&D letter and it’s doesn’t seems to make sense that it took Nintendo 10 years to do this now, if so how come Logan is the only one with that? Why not other channels that is similar to SML to have this C&D? (Though I might be in the wrong since most plush channels don’t really get attention unlike Logan) But honestly even if this was real at all It’s mostly that Nintendo won’t give a fuck about SML and it’s fans.
Something is not right here. I honestly don’t know if the letter could be real or not. But there’s been a lot of “hints” it could. For example, SML has changed everything (except for older videos) that has anything Nintendo related. The logos for all of his channels, and heck even the channel description, I remember it said “characters owned by Nintendo” and “logo made by blah blah”. But now it changed. Also in the latest video, rich Brooklyn guy, there were a few sued references. But yet again like dabhdude said, why would Nintendo do this now? Why is the Nintendo thing cut out, and vise versa. (Yet again, it could be Nintendo’s wack behavior lately, with cancelling tournaments, the melee event, taking down lots of RUclips Nintendo music, etc) Something just doesn’t add up, something is missing
Logan should work this out instead of quitting and going with the puppets maybe work out a deal were Logan has to sponsor there games and consoles like what they did with the 1, 2 switch video and the switch video with jeffy and Mario. Or make the characters on piont like the games so Nintendo won't get mad.
I’m a Law student, and I can tell you that a lot of the points against it in your video can be explained. For starters, as a company you need to establish and touch legal base on all numbers of issues including the potential problems that may arise from the potential infringement. This includes not just the Copyright infringement but also potential defamation of the intellectual property in question. Nintendo’s biggest problem wasn’t the copyright. The issue is that the SML audience is large enough to where the Mario characters featured in the videos can easily be misrepresented or misassociated with the Super Mario brand. That’s why they made sure to address the exact violations of the trademark. As a corporation you need to be explicitly specific especially if you are arguing that the infringing party in question has used your property in an inappropriate manner. You need to establish what exactly was done, the potential offending parties, and so on. Also if you’ve ever looked at similar Cease and Desist Letters from Nintendo they’ve stated clearly the exact violations of their work. The vitriol and manner of the letter is obviously a precedent but it’s important to understand why in a legal standpoint every complaint needs to be established. As for the Address, it was sent to his email account first indicating this was a printed a copy, you can see that directly on the right of the copy so it likely meant that they sent it to his email first and the most recent address on file was likely his apartment assuming you would be correct. Which even then, I don’t claim to know Logan’s address but that point just seems like pure speculation as very few numbers were able to be discerned.Also Nintendo has several different third party law firms representing them that use different signatures and names there is no one lawyer or firm that represents just the company, they’re an international corporation. Logan likely deleted the letter off his story because showing the document in public is legally dangerous. I mean I could totally be wrong and it could be an elaborate fake, but I feel there’s more grounds to believe it is legitimate.
I also want to make clear as well that it is very likely the name of the Law Firm being blacked out. Most Corporate Law firms do not list the logo of the company they represent in their letters for punctuality reasons and because they are contractors and Third parties working on behalf of a company
Oh and to answer the Why Now issue. You have to understand how Legal Casework and Asset Protection work. People don’t immediately go to a lawyer and expect instant action. A proper corporate law firm is required to build a case first hand with direct evidence and more to even establish the cease and desist can be valid so that way if anyone attempts to countersue they’ll have an entire case to base their arguments on. For example, Nintendo didn’t immediately shut down fangame projects and other things immediately, they waited months if not years after they were publicized. Plus general corporate law work is slow and methodical and really takes time itself.
To bring on the potential chances this was faked. I find it highly unlikely. It’s a crime to impersonate a law firm and it’d be cause for a potential libel suit. And to bring in the comments asking conspiracy questions such as why his videos are still up. The Cease and Desist letter does not state they would have to give up their older videos and given the nature of the internet enforcing this would be extremely difficult and not worth the effort, and it’d be in theory much easier to enforce future content.
@@davelee144 you put a lot of work into making this argument, congrats!
@@IcyDiamond I can’t tell if that was sarcastic. But thank you. I for one am just happy seeing the channel implode given the nature of its content, but I also wanted to educate people spreading potential falsehoods why it makes sense
I guess Nintendo took Cody’s diss track too seriously.
Logan: “gets a cease and desist from *Nintendo* “
Dabhdude: “talks about it while playing a *Sega* game”
I think that’s a Sonic fan game
This is Sonic Robo Blast 2, a fan game lol. But hey Mania is a fan game too.
@@InkyGhoul Ah, I see. My bad
r/madlads
SEGA doesn't care though, as SEGA's cool with fans using their stuff as long as they don't profit off of it.
Actually now that I think of it, Nintendo never really cared about Logan or even SML. People used to send emails to Nintendo for reasons and they never cared. Something ain’t right.
Logan sus
@@IcyDiamond Logan indeed sus.
I think he fakee it so he could use the human puppets in videos
@@compositefrog1811 Or it could be an angry fan and either Logan is going along with it, or (and I hope it’s not true) straight up actually 100% believes it.
@@Xenofilmsproductions yeah true
I meant to mention this, but it's also possible (again, POSSIBLE) Logan DID get a letter from Nintendo, but the one floating around right now isn't it.
So the one we saw was fake but he got a letter from Nintendo?
@@IcyDiamond possibly
That has problems too. If the circulating letter is fake, then Logan somehow got ahold of it and believed it was the same one he got in his mail. I mean he can be gullible but I don't think he's that gullible.
@@Zetta_LIVE This whole thing is just fishy
I did some Google Maps detective work and apparently the address matches up with Logan's parents house (where Logan lived before 2015) so that's even weirder.
Even if this is true, it’s just more of a reason for him to use more of the old Non-Nintendo characters, like Shrek, Woody, Tony, Mr. Pig
Then he’d get a cease and desist from Pixar, Dreamworks, and Kellogs
@TheFatPiranhaPlant that is true lol
@@IcyDiamond and I honestly think if Disney cancels Logan that’s it for SML
@@IcyDiamond I doubt those big companys would care about some youtube channel.
Uh oh then DREAMWORKS WILL COME AFTER HIM NEXT WITH A VERY REAL 100% LETTER (Satire if not obvious)
The human puppets wouldn’t suck if they just remodeled them and made them look more like Brooklyn Guy or Chef Pee Pee or any other decent looking puppet on SML.
The reason is because those puppets are Mellisa and Doug puppets and Logan can not modify these puppets.
The only one I like is junior the rest just looks so off
My theory is that since Logan is growing older, this is the start of a stunt to kill off his own channel, so he can have a ludacrous but believable reasoning for his channel to end. I’m sure he ENJOYED doing this all but knowing how under pressure demonetization and restriction he’s been under over the past years is an understandable reason on why he wouldn’t wanna do this anymore.
That’s a good theory you might be right I guess will see what the truth is regarding this hopefully soon
Maybe
................................................ ..................then again he needs a way to pay for his lamborghinis and house so maybe not, idk
Like I mean if he quit he wouldn't be able to live his rich lifestyle where he can buy multiple supercars and expensive vacations so I don't think that's the case as it would be stupid to give that up I'm pretty sure the letter is real
He did it so he can make merchandise
The theory is wrong... he's making videos to this very day
Another thing about the letter is the font. The whole thing looks like somthing basic in microsoft word, using the basic calibri font. Anyone who has any professional experience writing for a high profile company would use real watermarks and a high profile format. It really seems likely a troll sent him this, anf that's being generous on the situation.
I didn't see the letter in the response video about this situation, so it's a bit more suspicious. Also, why send Logan a c&d letter? Wouldn't be more convenient to send an email?
@@SuwawakosOldWorld Lawyers have to send somthing formal to anyone who's possible in getting sued. An email would be a secondary option, but a physical document is something that could be referneced better in a court of law.
This is the biggest thing ever since The Jeffy era I think that the puppet era is going to be even worse than The Jeffy era and The Jeffy era made almost all of Logan's OG fans disappear I am not looking forward to what's coming next I'm so close to quitting sure I might stay with Logan until The bitter end but his channel has been on a downward spiral for five years the jokes have not gotten better the writing has not gotten better and the characters have also not gotten better my God this channel really did go downhill
@Adolf Hitler yeah you're right but I don't think Logan will redesign the puppets I've seen that idea been thrown around and it's not a bad one however I think Logan is too greedy and lazy to do it
I like to think we are now in a brand new Era. The Decay Era.
@@kindythecyborg how about The Degenerate Era the named blatantly ripped off from Cosmology
Logan making a fake cease and desist just to switch to the human puppets sounds like something he would do
Fr for money
He also said in the behind the scenes of Rich Brooklyn Guy that “this scene would be easier with plushes”. The means of it were to be fake, he must have fallen for it.
I wish Logan would respond to you in the comments like he used to. This would clear up this whole situation very quickly.
Edit: He has now responded.
Ikr
I think Logan stopped watching. I noticed Dab I insults in a lot in his videos.
@@mosshivenetwork117 yeah Logan stopped talking to dab years ago from what I remember
Well, he commented now
@@competitivedishwasher6579 Well that's good. He even made the situation clear.
I'm guessing the letter could've likely been sent from a former fan of SML and put Nintendo's name included and likely caused Logan to actually fall for the letter.
I don’t think Logan would be that stupid to fall for that
@@CoverUpDommm I wouldn’t count on that
@@CoverUpDommm yeah....suree...
So we're both on the same boat here
I guess so
SuperJeffy’sDadLogan, also what Sonic game is this
Robo Blast - Episode 2
Sonic robo blast 2
I actually heard a rumor that Reggie was actually fine with Logan with the Mario plushes , not sure if it's real but Rumors are just, Rumors
Sources?
I heard that too
Source is from Crappy Games Wiki
But Reggie ain’t the Nintendo America President anymore
@@boxinthejack2166
Before Doug Bowser took over
Personally I think a hater trolled him and just send that letter claiming it was a cease-and-desist
Bruh that would be the ultimate troll
@Adolf Hitler because if they were to sue him a physical document holds better in court and I'm sure mailing a letter is not that hard to do during a pandemic
If they didn’t get a cease and desist a long time ago, they wouldn’t have now.
If this was an inside job my guess is that they did it because they either wanted to avoid getting a cease and desist, which is unlikely, or they just want to be able to sell puppets of the main characters.
That, and the switch was possibly done because of RUclips's draconian rules that demonetizes channels for "inappropriate use of family-friendly characters".
Brooklyn T Guy said "we are getting sued" and they could be poking fun at the fake letter
Let’s be honest, the best thing about the video aren’t any of the arguments, it’s squidward in the thumbnail
1:55 so if that rules out nintendo then that rules out logan as well, why would he mess up his own house address and then cover it up instead of printing another one
Huh
To make it look like Logan didn’t do it maybe
@@IcyDiamond but doesnt that also make it looks like nintendo didnt do it, if he was trying to forge a letter from a multi million dollar company then he would have put the right address
It was sent to his mom's house because that is where he started out, and his old website was registered under that address. He said it in the video.
"We can't use the any Nintendo characters anymore"
Logan faking this makes no sense as it wouldn’t benefit him in the slightest, it would only drive more fans away from the channel.
Logan has made mistakes in the past before, but their is noooooooooooooo way he is that stupid!
@@TheDigitalApple remember, Logan likes money. who doesn’t? Logan would not go out of his way to fake the actual cease and desist letter, as it would make him probably lose money (if the puppets do become permanent) and could get him in trouble with Nintendo. This is obvious shit so I really can’t believe he’d fake it on purpose.
@@JpegErza doesn’t every body do
@@andybriones6755 yes, everybody likes money. So it should be basic logic to not fake a cease and desist letter.
It doesn't look like he's faking it. The cease and desist might be fake, but if it is, then it most likely is something faked by someone who is against Logan, not Logan himself. There's no way he's scummy enough to do us like THAT.
I'm done with SML if he can never go back with the plushes.
Then your a fake fan I don’t care if the jokes and script is good
@@THGMR-ox7sd it’s his fault for using copyrighted characters
@@Theoneandonlyvro I'm actually a big fan but the plushes have been a mainstay since the beginning and if Logan can't do them anymore, I am quitting SML.
@@RyderTheGayRaptorUwU THAN HE WOULDN'T BEEN ABLE TO USE NINTENDO CHARACTERS THAT MAKE SML. SML!
@@krillin2k112 also the things he had the characters do when his videos were waiting stream that’s why he got demonetized twice and that’s another reason why he probably got this letter if it’s real
Quick question, why would Logan want to use the human puppets when he knows that most people don't like them? That's the main reason i don't think he would fake this because there is barely any reward for him in that sense. In fact, he's gonna be losing viewers if he switches over to the human puppets, and hes not gonna gain anything. Just a thought
I'm banking on Logan knowing that the letter was fake but using it anyway to push for the use of the puppets.
REMEMBER GUYS GO TO SMLMERCH.COM TO GET ALLLLLLLL THE NEW PUPPETS 🤑🤑🤑🤑
@@RyderTheGayRaptorUwU No.
@@robby7499 you you missed the joke buddy
@@robby7499 I totally agree with you on this
I personally think that logan wants to use puppets instead but his fans would hate it so he made a fake letter so his fans would “understand”
My theory was it was hate mail and Logan posted it to show how stupid it was
But Logan isn't using the pluses and had changed his name on sbl
Logan also posted on his story "Things will be very different from now on" I was curious on why he said this so I checked his yt channel and he completely rebranded the channel. Did a troll send him the letter? Is Logan purposely using this as an excuse to permanently use the puppets and hoping we will just get used to them? I think Logan might be lying so we would have no choice but to get used to the puppets, I highly doubt over 10+ years of using the Nintendo characters they JUST NOW send him a Cease and Desist letter, I hope im wrong because if wat I say is true than Logan is screwing himself.
not surprise if a fan just made this and Logan believe this
I don’t think he’d be that stupid to believe that, he’d check with a lawyer to verify it being real
@@IcyDiamond ok
knowing logan we can expect a video mocking nintendo soon.
Maybe Nintendo saw Cody’s diss track and decided to send the cease and desist
This might be true as Logan has just rebranded to sml and changed super bowser logan to sml and not using the full name and removed the resemblance of charaters from the profile photo and he renamed the back up channels to sml vlogs and sml backup
The one time they did a good C&D
Really
Now he will have to use the old characters.
@@Pyle12 no he’ll use the puppets instead
This isn’t good
@@gdskulll4875 not for logan but it was justified
As far as copyright is concerned, SML only uses plushies of copyrighted characters. Other audio/visual media he uses is public domain.
He’s used Mario, Pokemon, and SpongeBob soundtrack in his older videos, the X-Files theme in Zombie Bowser, Fortnite emote themes in Mr. Goodman’s Credit Card and Jeffy Goes To The Arcade, and Among Us game stings in Among Us, but nothing else of copyright other than that.
The Logan Thirtyacre Rule: If it hurts his channel, he’s going to do it.
Another thing that kinda implies it’s is that especially with all the popularity SML has had as well as many controversies,Nintendo would’ve very likely known about Logan and his content and would’ve done that around say 2017 or 2018. The fact that Nintendo just so happened to do this now just seems a bit fishy.
If it was from Nintendo, then they would’ve sued Logan years ago so I doubt it is from Nintendo
Sml will return to Monke. Someday.
@@THGMR-ox7sd sml devolves.
The monke council rejects him
“I want a lollipop!”
- Mama Luigi
@Smol Gal JOJO
How would this benefit Logan though? If this info got out that this is fake, then everyone would hate him, also didn’t he say himself that’s he hated the human puppets, if it’s fake my theory will be that he’s doing this to sell the remaining human puppets and then say that Nintendo lifted the cease and desist after begging them to take it back, I’m more leaning towards real but it could very well be fake
He said he always wanted all his characters to be his own like Jeffy and he’d make changes to some of the puppets in time
@@RealogOnlyBrodie so you think he’ll make the characters his own and he’ll change the puppets designs?
@@IcyDiamond yeah but it’ll take a long time maybe 2 years from now
@@RealogOnlyBrodie maybe he already had them redesigned and this is phase 1 of his plan
I was just watching your stream VOD about the situation, perfect timing
Imagine if Logan told all his fans to sneak out of their homes so he could draft them to Nintendo HQ and they could riot and cause havoc.
The cops would get him
w o a h
@@ScoutTF92 I saw that "hello"
Hoo they wouldn't last 5 minutes before getting arrested by the securit
@@ScoutTF92 annnnnd the kids would get arrested and sent home, Logan would literally get sued up the ass, he'll make a post and/or video of him getting mad like an idiot
0:53 Maybe in 2012 when you were allowed to be much more edgy on RUclips but idk
logan confirms this is a real note, which i hope it is cause if it turns out to not be real, he could get major backlash and possibly be canceled. but id keep watching anyway
This might be sml *REAL* downfall
Since they can't use puppets now
Not that I have any hatred against them, but since everyone else hates them, this might not be good, so logan have to put his A game into this, my recommendation is that he REDO the puppets to make an ACCURATE representation of the plushies
*plushies
@@SMG001Nick o k
*an
@@imshutdownforever o k :)
My theory! Logan signed a contract with the puppet creators for some amount of money and he needed a excuse for only using the puppets.
This C and D is kinda SUS to me. Kind of a way to have the human puppets to be in all the videos and push the old plushes out. Who here thinks it is SUS?
What would Logan have to gain from that a dead channel that theory makes absolutely no sense
*C and D was not An Impostor*
(I mean, we don’t know, it might be legit or it might not... 😂😂)
@@preston1513 archival purposes.
The letter was actually sent to Logan's mom's house not his current house which is why doesn't have the same address
I can see him faking it tbh but either way his channel is gonna die from the consequences because of the change.
But wouldn't Logan get into trouble for faking a letter like that?
9:15 If this was the case then SMG4 would also be in trouble
Logan is now backed into a corner he can't escape. If this letter is real, being forced to use those puppets no one likes will turn a lot of people away. If it's fake, it will piss off his fans and they will probably leave sml out of disgust.
Doesn’t Lance live at the old apartment also didn’t Nintendo send a Nintendo switch to Logan’s house for the giveaway so how did they not have his address
Also if Nintendo was giving him free stuff, why would they go after him then?
Yea why this is fishy
*Savannah
It's kinda hard to think it was from Nintendo, because they didn't have a problem before, why decide to take action now ESPECIALLY since he's not doing anything as bad as before
I'm with you on the letter being fishy, but the timing isn't a good reason to prove that point. There were MANY other Nintendo fanmade projects such as for example, Pixelmon that got cease and desist letters long after the projects were made. Nintendo as a company doesn't spend all day hunting down on fan projects and youtube channels, some may get shut down early, while some could be done for later.
Idk, like in the paper, there was no nintendo logo there, sus.....
Is that SRB2 that I see? I didn't know you were so cultured. That's literally my favorite game of all time!
The Paper was sent to his moms house. Because the old SML store was linked to his moms house, and even if the letter was fake. WHY WOULD HE DELETE HIS 9M SUBS CHANNEL.
The only reason he would do that would be that he just didn’t care about it anymore (which is what I think based off of how I saw everything unfold from the puppet rebrand to all the other things following through). He already couldn’t make money off of it and his Super Luigi Logan channel. His brand was clearly tied to the store and meet and greets and the like, so he needed some way to get rid of the copyrighted stuff to avoid it actually happening. He probably talked to someone who works at Nintendo so that he could pull this off. He wasn’t trying to deviate anyone, he just didn’t want to bother with the brand for the possibility of possibly getting sued, so he created a scenario which he gets “sued” so he justifies eliminating his old works since he wants nothing to do with them. I believe he wanted to do this in February 2020, but due to Covid, he pushed things back a year to 2021 instead.
*Super Mario Logan Last Video - Jeffy Dies*
*If Logan ever decides to go into a depression and give up this would be the last video.*
*All of the characters from start to finish reunite together and tie Jeffy to a Rocket and blow him up into the sky with a huge explosion thus being a celebration and to the end of SML.*
*...Also Mama Luigi would light the rocket lol*
That would be kinda sad even though I don't like jeffy.
How about Logan going around killing off every major old and new SML character as a way to signify that he’s moving in with his life
I think they’ll just jump forward into the future when Jeffy is 18
What would turn Rosalina, Junior, Joseph and Cody against Jeffy to destroy him?
no
imgane they go to court and nintendo's like ThEy UsE My PlUsHs
Here’s my theory he doesn’t know that not using the plush’s will cripple his channel all he knows is that he’s pushing the puppet sales
Why is this a bad thing now when he used Nintendo characters since 2007?
Why would logan lie about this letter??
I don't get it. If this C&D letter is "suspicious" as people claim it to be, then your trying to say he faked this? What would Logan have to benefit from faking a C&D letter? Logan is smart enough to understand that faking something like this could very much damage his reputation (as if it wasn't already damaged enough).
He literally explained the benefits in the video
The worst Nintendo division is Nintendo of America. The reason why is because Doug Bowser is a former CEO of EA (makes sense, huh?). Sure, he gave King Koopa his iconic American name, but yeah.
Eh, I don't think Logan not having Nintendo characters to use will be as detrimental as you say. Dude barely even uses concepts from the Mario series as often as he did, only doing it once in a while, its pretty much just Mario characters in a realistic setting. Like yeah, the appeal of the Mario characters will be gone, but at this point, the characters in SML are so detached from their original counterpoints that they're pretty much completely different characters. I think if Logan can redesign the human puppets into something more visually appealing, he can deal with the situation.
This is a certified bruh moment
Hold on what game are you playing?
Thats looks amazing
It's called sonic robo blast 2
@@involvedhail1788 thank you
Theres also a racing spinoff
I knew you would get onto this topic sooner or later.
I think it was SkipDip who was behind the C&D letter. He was also known for trying to False Flag SML and was also responsible for the Swatting situation
THE ADDRESS WAS AT HIS MOMS HOUSE
why do i smell an sml problems 2021 already?
I could honestly believe both Logan forging a fake cease and desist AND Nintendo sending one.
Years after the drama with Logan in 2017 became irrelevant.
I heard that the Cease, and Desist letter that Logan got was actually fake.
Where’d you hear that?
@@IcyDiamond From the SML Wiki (I'm not sure if it's actually true, and no, I'm not spreading false information).
The biggest problem with that is there is no source saying it’s fake.
@@thatguyjk6198 yep.
@@ricardogiron-carranza4495 the wiki probably ain’t the most trustworthy source for this stuff
Seriously, that Sonic fan game looks really cool! What is that?
I go with the other opinion that a fan made the letter and send it to another address to make it look real because why would Nintendo target somebody after two years once he went viral from the news.
But what makes it suspicious is how he removed the screenshot off of his post
I feel like SuperMarioLogan just did this to promote his puppets on his website.
Brooklyn Guy: We are getting sued. Yes they are.
Would they also sue: Collegehumor/TimeWarner, Stephen Colbert and Pete Homes for also borrowing many Super Mario sprites? Logan might be the worst human being on RUclips, but bear in mind: The DMCA system is a huge joke that could easily be exploited, Capcom and Square are also loving the idea of just SHUT IT DOWN TOO HATEFUL AND PROBLEMATIC.
jaystation & elisocray are a million light years worse
instagram stories disappear after 24 hours
Well we all know what happened
He deleted all his channels he redesigned the nintendo characters and despite all this he still gets millions of viewers each video
I have a feeling it was holding him back from fully monetizing off it or in other words
Puppets and profits,the end of prophets
0:29 even though I’m seven months late, I seriously think the cease and desist is fake because Logan is never honest and he wants attention. When you see his writing, it’s messed up so he was probably just too lazy and wanted attention immediately. The other reasons are in the comments and in this video.
My original theory was "Some angry fan just wrote this for unknown reasons, and Logan fell for it."
But, the incorrect address makes no sense, to me.
Logan no longer owns or lives in the apartment, I believe Chris owns it, now, so why is letter being specifically delivered to him sent to a house that he does not own?
It's confusing me. This point denies a lot of the other theories to the point where I don't know if this is real or fake.
As for me, I think I'll be sticking around on SML maybe until summer, just to see how it goes. Who knows? Logan has really only used the puppets in videos, nowadays to advertise new puppets, maybe he'll try and make the best of it.
Deep down, these characters are still Junior, Jeffy, and Mario (Don't know what'll happened to characters like Shrek or Black Yoshi, though)maybe their personalities will still shine through in videos that are not literally advertisements.
Logan actually said in the vid that it was sent to his Mom's house, because that is where he started SML, and it is ths address his old website was registered under.
I think it might be real, because there's no way any sane person would delete their channel with almost 10 MILLION subscribers just to use some puppets
Well to be fair, the newest SML channel almost as 8 million subscribers after only 3 years.
Ok so I am a little late but I would not believe this if Logan did not delete his channel with 9 million subscribers I would really believe that it’s a real letter because nobody would willingly do that.
I do remember a thumbnail looking different but I don’t remember the video
Guys guys, don’t worry (yes I think he did really get a cease and desist letter), he will get to use the plushies. Me and other people are going to raid Nintendo’s YT channel, scam them, spam in the comments, we will do a bunch of stuff to them until we get those plushies back on SML
That’s not gonna work
Ratio
@@IcyDiamond it will
@@IcyDiamond trust me.....
@@aguy__3979 it really won’t but go try it if you want I guess
I think he used the puppets because the video contained gambling
For me its hard to decide. If he does keep it tho i hope he changes the puppets designs
SML getting sued was an inside job
By zeke
Honestly the template for the cease and desist letter is literally a free template off google and you’d think they’d use the same template as the one you showed.
Is nobody going to talk about the bottom left part of the thumbnail?
Yeah, that's just straight-up an anti-Semitic stereotype.
Cry about it
@@JamesMason88 Don't cut yourself on that edge.
@@JamesMason88 not very subtle with the pfp and "88" in the name
I do feel a little suspicious about this C&D letter and it’s doesn’t seems to make sense that it took Nintendo 10 years to do this now, if so how come Logan is the only one with that? Why not other channels that is similar to SML to have this C&D? (Though I might be in the wrong since most plush channels don’t really get attention unlike Logan)
But honestly even if this was real at all It’s mostly that Nintendo won’t give a fuck about SML and it’s fans.
If the letter is real, that would suck. Especially considering the fact that the newer videos on superbowserlogan were starting to get better.
What's the game in the background
Logan needs to go to a lawyer to verify the validity of the letter
Something is not right here. I honestly don’t know if the letter could be real or not. But there’s been a lot of “hints” it could. For example, SML has changed everything (except for older videos) that has anything Nintendo related. The logos for all of his channels, and heck even the channel description, I remember it said “characters owned by Nintendo” and “logo made by blah blah”. But now it changed. Also in the latest video, rich Brooklyn guy, there were a few sued references. But yet again like dabhdude said, why would Nintendo do this now? Why is the Nintendo thing cut out, and vise versa. (Yet again, it could be Nintendo’s wack behavior lately, with cancelling tournaments, the melee event, taking down lots of RUclips Nintendo music, etc) Something just doesn’t add up, something is missing
He probably fell for it when he first got it, now possibly using it as an excuse to use the puppets.
As an old SML fan. Mama Luigi and Woody were better.
Logan should work this out instead of quitting and going with the puppets maybe work out a deal were Logan has to sponsor there games and consoles like what they did with the 1, 2 switch video and the switch video with jeffy and Mario. Or make the characters on piont like the games so Nintendo won't get mad.
I think the puppet era will be the last SML era, since I think everyone will leave.
I guess SML has officially buried himself in his own grave
helo
Why isn’t there a question mark in the title?