My hope in sharing this interview was to help carnivores understand the important of meal timing, amino acids and how splitting protein in multiple meals may be best to support maintaining muscle mass. Just because Dr. Layman likes a little bit of carbs doesn’t mean his content on protein is wrong. We have a MD that’s a carnivore in this space that advocates for fruit and honey. I hope we can stay open and learn the nuggets we need to improve on health and not get so hung up on one factor in an interview to then dismiss everything. This won’t be a channel that’s an echo chamber and even though I am carnivore, I’m confident in my standings to talk to others that aren’t carnivore so we can glean lessons from them.
What I find compelling here is Dr Layman's not-carnivore-only perspective converges, independently, with Dr Saladino. That plant protein is not effective, and that of a range of carbs that can be consumed. Could a controlled range of carbs, cycled, be a thing on a carnivore diet, then? (And maybe that's why Saladino is about fruit vs other forms of carbs)
Saladino and his fruit and honey would have me go backwards on my health. Before Carnivore I was Keto before keto I was no sugar or processed foods, but did eat lots of vegetables, and starches rice potatoes, became insulin resistant, worked out 4-5 days a week felt good at first just cutting out the junk, but after 2 years weight gain fast, Hypertension overnight, all ways had trouble with arthritis way back in my 40s. Not any more. Listening to Salidino I had a modest amount of carbs next day my back was severely inflamed. Others may want carbs but it's not for me. Sometime at least for me, listening to so many professionals only adds to the confusion. If I have been there and done that and it didn't work, why would I expect it to be a different result next time? I have been foolish enough to take the advice of others like Salidino only to be hurt by it. Dr Chaffee and Dr Berry Shawn Baker they stay the course, they are not double minded, I'll stick with them.
@@jimj1889 stick with what works for you. I think I understand a little bit where you are coming from.... I stopped taking statin tablets about a year ago but my ketogenic diet has raised my LDL. Now, my triglycerides and HDL are good and very good, Ab1ac is excellent and I'm type 2 diabetic ...and yet doctors keep asking me to go on medication... my doctor calls me and says " I have your blood test results and I'm off on holiday tomorrow so I thought I'd call you now" despite LDL going down he insisted I try this new tablet.... 20 minutes after the first tablet I felt dizzy which is one of the side effects and that got better after 3 days but after 7 days I noticed while I was sitting down that my legs muscles were moving, I actually had spasms on both legs. Through away the tablets and it took 5 days to get back to normal.... I guess I felt just like you did after trying a little bit of carbs, following a doctor suggestion.
My problem isn't that he doesn't recommend the carnivore diet or that he likes a "little bit of carbs." It's that he thinks we "need" about 100 carbs a day. We don't "need" any. He should know better. Anyway, his findings on protein consumption are interesting and it's still a good interview.
One meal a day may not be for everyone but for me it is ideal.. When I did 2 meal a day I started to crave carbs again, even tho I did not have any carbs in either meal and never had snacks.. I will stick to my one meal a day, my health depend on it.. Best I keep it simple. It makes no sense to me to eat when I am not hungry..
Thank you so much Judy. Going 100% carnivore has finally cured my histamine issues . Was 2 years but it works. Recently tried adding vegetables and so far its an huge no. Not sure why but my body hates everything but fat and meat. I just couldn't do omad I do 3 now. Made all the difference. Thank you again. Blessings shalom
I think, bottom line, for me it's a question of fat/protein ratio and at the end of the day it's that ratio which would ultimately bring about my goals. Plant foods/carbs don't work for me.
WOW! I love these micro-analysis on amino acids, proteins, vitamins, carbs etc. Something that we never really discuss in detail and in depth. Wish more people are more informed about these information so they can eat better for themselves in the long run! Love the content Judy, keep them coming!
So glad I watched this.. Bringing back out my whey protein shake.. I almost did not watch this. I am 77 yr old and plan on having at least another 25+ years ahead.. First I need to lose a large amount of weight and carnivore is really making this possible for me.
Hi Judy. Excellent interview. I appreciate Dr. Layman & his research. Still loving my meat based way of eating, but remain open to different ideas/opinions/science, etc.
I don't trust this dude. Out of the gate he admits he consults with many food companies. That means he derives part of his income from them. The at 24:00 he conflates the conversion of protein to glucose through gluconeogenesis to the conversion of fats to glucose after stating that the body must have glucose and that ketones are not efficient. We know from a previous interview that babies developing in the womb and those being breastfed after birth are living totally on ketones during the most critical stages of development. This guy is a nutritional politician in my view and I mean that pejoratively. Sorry, just my 2 cents.
Not true Reginald. I have personally known him over 40 years. It’s very common that large university professors have consulting practices as well. Don is highly highly respected in nutrition research whether you want to agree on that or not.
He explained elsewhere that he tried for funding for 10 years to research protein needs but was turned down as it was not directly related to disease in the funders mind. Then he reached out further. Some things are not black and white.
@@CatCambak that is not to say that OMAD is optimal forever and a day. And he clearly covers the fact that diet needs are not static throughout our lives. Eating OMAD may be fine in middle age, or for repairing a dysfunctional metabolism. But at 75 or 85, this may no longer hold true. At 66 I took up a sport that has really built up my muscle. I need more protein, and my body craves it. I feel it. I now attempt to have at least 2 if not 3 protein rich meals a day.
The one thing i did take from this is no one should ever go vegan. And i see it all around me, young people say its the best diet ever and they feel amazing. People my age dont stick to it because they feel horrible. My guess now is that they don't get enough protein. I also liked hearing him say that fat is the bodies preferred energy source. For now I'll stay 0 carb as so far that works for me. And fibre definitely don't agree with me. It was a very interesting interview and I learned a lot. Thanks judy x
This was a great interview, Judy. Yea, he is not a carnivore, but by admission he has never really studied it either. He didn't discount it though. He actually gave a bunch of good evidence that it is good for you, if you listened carefully and kinda used the evidence he presented, it pointed directly to a carnivore based diet. He just has not studied it, AND he said their baseline was based on the USDA food pyramid so it would be accepted data. NOt ideal for sure. Great info, that corrisponds directly to carnivore diet for bioavailability and muscle sparing and building. Good stuff!
His research on protein is really good . Still I am diabetic. Keto / carnivore. And doing so much better . Data info on protein and new RDA is definitely needed
Great guests. Great content. Great interview. I'm zero carb and I've tried it several different ways. No dogma allowed. Right now I eat two to four burger patties three times a day. Simple and easy. It's never the same for me. I'm getting better at guessing how much I need to eat.
RDI for carbs is 130 grams per day, that's incredible, considering that Dr. Gary Fettke shows in his presentation 'Carbohydrate: The Dose Is The Poison!' that the carb negatives start piling up after four grams.
Hmmmm interesting on the carbs… my husband is type 1 diabetic and having the best blood sugar control of his life as a 4yr carnivore. Using the least insulin of his life. 🤷♀️ Carbs were what gave him the blood sugar roller coaster!
This interview did not go the way I thought it would. Much better than I thought it would. What an excellent video this is one I’m going to watch again
I've had hypoglycemia on a carnivore diet without any side effects. My blood glucose was down to 2.5-2.3mmol/L, and I was alert, focused and feeling all right. However, my CGM alarm went off on a regular basis. I think carnivore + CGM have already trigerred the process of revising old physiology books. I like Don, and the vast amount of data he's accumulated in his head.
As a pure carnivore for quite a few years now, I find that if I eat any carbs, I'm starving soon after and especially the next day. As a power lifter, I train in the morning fasted and with no carbs and have plenty of energy to squat or deadlift heavy singles or sets of 20 or more reps. I guess I'm extremely fat adapted and/or my body makes enough glucose for these extreme workouts. I wonder if there's any research on this type of training and the protein needs as in this discussion. Thank you, again, for your very informative, easy to watch and listen to videos.
Check the research of Dr Volek and Dr Phinney. They've studied very low carb ketogenic diets and their effect on athletic performance. They found that athletes that are well adapted to ketosis (more than 6 months) have the same glycogen reserves in their muscles than carb-dependent athletes. But initially in the transition period they don't. So you need several months in ketosis for your body to become fully fat adapted
I really tried to be open to this conversation, but just couldn't as a Type 2 diabetic battling severe RA. Keto, then ketovore have helped me heal without meds and regain much of my life. Now I'm leaning into carnivore for deeper healing. If I followed this man's reckless advice regarding carbs, I'd end up dead or spending most days bed-ridden or dependent on the hospital. No thanks.
I don't think it's fair to say that his advice is reckless. He's a protein expert and the entire message was about protein synthesis and how to eat meat to support the body's needs for protein. Yes, he likes carbs but he also agreed that not everyone can eat carbs based on their history. If zero carbs help you heal, be secure in that. But it doesn't take away from the message that protein and the need for protein and several protein meals are necessary for proper nutrition.
@@NutritionwithJudy I will respectfully disagree when it comes to the dangers of overconsumption of carbs. Learned the hard way with my health, but also understand the importance of protein and its long-lasting benefits. Appreciate your dedication to presenting a broad range of views, tho.
@@NutritionwithJudy there is no way Don is reckless. I have personally known him over 40 years (my dad was his pastor) and his knowledge and respect in the nutrition world is among the highest of anyone who studies nutrition.
Hi Judy 👋 I really enjoyed this post and all your other content ☺️ Thank you for doing this. I do have a a point of view about eating or not eating carbs... So, I personally turn my keto into carnivore because of my SIBO issues...after few months of carnivore I eat a Avocado 🥑, and straight away in about 3h I get blotting for 2 days so....I can not tolerat any vegetables gluten or dairy ....so I feel excellent on Carnivore 🥓🍖🍽 About 500 gr of meat and some eggs per day cooked in lard or ghee. Simply is the only way that I'm not feeling bloated anymore ❤️ I'm trying to listen to my body and guts. Hope I'm doing the right on a long term 🙏 Best wishes ❤️
Excellent interview. So much helpful information, thanks to your insightful questions and his vast knowledge of protein/amino acids. I appreciated hearing his perspective on including carbs as well as your comments about a higher fat, ketogenic version of carnivore. For me, keeping my protein intake around 0.8 g/lb of body weight max (25 or so percentage of calories) is key to feeling good and being able to do the diet. Going higher protein is not sustainable for me. Thank you, Judy, for sharing this terrific content!
There are several new carnivores over 70 in a group I belong to. They're adapting quite well. They speak of feeling half their age. There are also some seasoned elderly carnivores, too. They report the same.
Have they had much muscle gain? Layman didn't say people after a certain age couldn't gain strength. I don't think he meant there could be no muscle gain but that it would be much smaller for the same training as a younger person would get.
I think he meant that older people tend to have a harder time adopting very different eating habits. But I think many have the motivation of reducing pain and preventing the devastating effects of diabetes like blindness, limb amputation and Alzheimer's
This was the best interview you've had by far. I watch a lot of stuff in this space, and often it's an echo chamber. I'd put this interview and my sense of this person's experience above pretty much all the other hardline, there is no other way, craziness out there. He really had me pause and think about if in a decade, we'll look at meat-only and absolutely nothing other than meat diets the same way we'll look at vegans. (Although i'd hypothesize meat only is way better than vegan, and probably most other actual forms of eating)
His comment on plant based was about the lack of knowledge of the nutrient balance of plant based !! The comment was more a criticism of plant based than advocacy for it !!!!
Thanks Judy, I need to read up or get more wisdom, I am pure carnivore and I eat two 227 gram ribeyes for lunch and 5 eggs and bacon for breakfast and still loosing weight. I have type 2 diabetes and eat in a 4 hour window. 6 am -10am for the day. I don't sleep well because when I get up to go to the toilet say at 1 am I can be up for all night because I am nit tired, so I take 10 milligrams of melatonin and sleep till 4 am. I weight 165 pounds and 5:11 and how many grams a day of protein should I eat. Do you have a book? Thanks
That’s what my mind need coz I’m confused about this carb treshold vs Randle cycle. I want to know so I can do right or do my mistakes with carbs. Just would like to know what is corect (what’s human design mechanism).
Hi Judy, great interview. I was low carb for a while 150gms or less and it did nothing for me. I question the study that says that it works as well as Keto but all i know is what i read and what I feel. All I can say was finding the Carnivore Cure was immensely helpful to me, i feel great and look great. I am 56 and have muscle loss, probably from 7 years as a vegan ruining my health, sad to here it wont come back. Floppy arms forever :(. I wish I could eat carbs, just bread, that is all i miss is bread. Took a long time to stop the cravings so I don't want to risk it. Thanks again Judy!!!
Hi Nan 150 grams isn't low carb. For me personally I had to get below 20 at 63 I feel great have suffered many years of issues such as arthritis I thought was inherited. Now at so called older age I feel better than in my 40s. Straight Carnivore all the way.
Muscle loss (sarcopenia) is absolutely reversible. You are not stuck with the ravages of your previous dietary lifestyle. (I’m unclear as to where you think he said this.) For the most efficient and beneficial way to progress on the resistance exercise pathway, look into Kaatsu a.k.a. occlusion or BFR (blood flow restriction) training. It’s nearly miraculous except that the physiology behind it makes perfect sense. Loads of videos on YT, but look up Dr. Mercola’s 7 minute video. He really does a great job of summarizing the benefits. A set of $30-ish bands available online are all you need to get started. You can do this.
This is the most informative 70 minutes on protein I have found yet. Layman's students include Layne Norton PhD and Gabrielle Lyon, MD. They are smoother, but leave out vital details found here.
I think that Dr Layman is more open to thinking about different ideas that may contradict his views. For example, he had not thought that carnivores can leverage fat and ketosis to reduce the effect of gluconeogenesis and was open when Judy suggested it. His younger students are more rigid in their thinking, like for example Dr Lyon thinking that you definitely need carbs and Dr Norton not understanding that calories from sugar are totally different than calories from fat and the big difference that hunger makes in being able to maintain weight loss
Sleeping through the night requires a look at 21 different major variables, each with subsets of other variables, diet is only 1 of the variables with 11 subsets
Very interesting that stretching will preserve muscle. BTW, I did a program that targeted 40% protein, but eating only when BG had dropped to a certain level, for three or six weeks at a time. It meant I was eating about twice a day, but I was not told to target a certain amount of protein. I cut out all foods that made BG rise to 140, but really mostly was much lower than that for most meals, more like 110, and recovery within two hours. I wasn't really trying to lose weight, though I wouldn't have minded losing FAT. I did not target exercise. Over the course of the year, I lost about seven pounds (I was already in good BMI range) but FORTY PERCENT WAS MUSCLE. Damn! NOT good for this senior citizen. I also didn't have any appreciable drop in A1c despite very little starch, and pretty much within the range of carbs Layman recommends. Discouraging. I will never do anything that might cut my calories without exercise again. I also recently came back from a 5-week trip where I did eat more carbs at the end but was walking 7-10 miles a day. Had a hip problem, so it limited what else I was willing to do but was not willing to cut back on walking and seeing all I wanted to see. On coming home, I didn't lose any weight and had about the same bodyfat. My bodyfat scale shows that when skeletal muscle goes up a bit, total muscle tissue goes down, and vice versa. My body really likes the ratio. But I will target resistance next.
Carnivore has changed my health so much, after trying so many other so called healthy approaches which led to pre diabetes and other issues. Why would I even listen to someone who is not an advocate of Carnivore? 2 years plus and still my health continues to improve. Will be 64 in two months.
The factor left out was the metabolic / inflammatory dragging anchor of Plant Defense Chemicals... short term view is 130g of carbs shows same markers as Keto... but what do those plant toxins do over 30, 40, 50 years of intake? Keto/Zero Carbers go on the ascendant while plant toxins age the rest of us rapidly (not "normally")
What about Valter Longo research says low protein is best for cancer prevention but higher protein is best after 60 years old to prevent muscles atrophy
Portion control is easiest in tandem with one to two meals and no snacking Lower carbs but I use sweet potatoes, collards, kale, for my carbs and it may be a quarter of a medium or large sweet potato, not the whole thing. A cup of cooked kale. A little organic homemade no sugar added yogurt, then chicken or beef. It’s filling, satisfying and I don’t feel like I’m doing without
He hasn't actually studied carnivore, was voicing opinions based on his study of keto which is a different kind of diet, so I'm not sure what actually would apply in a carnivore environment. But I have a question about protein absorption, something he mentioned. I've read that you can't absorb more than 20 grams of protein per meal. Not sure that's true, it likely depends on what kind of protein you're eating and what else you're eating with it. But maybe you could address this more specifically? I've seen other people assert it too, and don't know what to think. I'm carnivore, eat 2x a day and feel good, so am wondering.
He interviewed with Paul Attica and mentioned there it was between 25-50g. I think he said that here too. It depends on how healthy your muscles are. Test with a meter to see how much you can tolerate per meal. Then divide the recommended amount by this and eat that many meals a day.
I am a 68 year old male. I work phisically most days, work out HIT with bar bells every 3rd day. I currently eat 750gm of meat / eggs / cheeze with each daily meal. This allows my weight and fat to lower while muscule and strength goes up. I eat 750gm each meal. Probably 1/2 of that is fat. If I took the advice here, 1.3gm per pound of body weight I would only consume 244gm of protien per day. That for me would starvation.
How can you be this knowledgeable about this subject and what you need, and not realize that Dr Layman is talking about the net protein gleaned from a food???
@@ellek6505 Probably because I have only ever eaten to satiety. The body knows what it wants. Never counted calories or worked out what the grams of protien or fat content might be in what I eat. Cannot imagine wasting the time on that. I am aware of what my steaks weight. I track my proformance and muscule / fat percentages, and will eat more or less to stay on track.
Just can't add any carbs other than occasional yet seldom an ounce or 2 of onions. Carnivore has helped greatly where keto no so much, even though I've had a weight loss plateau for a year now. Also, more questions of evolutionary backing of such claims of 100 grams of carb per day please. . 8 to 10 thousand years of agriculture is not long enough to fully impact human biology.
I guess I need more clarification. I input 70% protein 30% fat at 2400 calories, and it yielded me 417 grams of protein and 78 grams of fat. When Don talked about the study they did on middle-aged women, what was the caloric intake and deficit they were on?
The fat adaptation phase was not mentioned... I would imagine that since carbs are nonessential, the # grams is very varied to spare glycogen? Also, no discussion re: increased oxidative stress from carb utilization for fuel vs fat adaptation....
I've posted this before, but the only time I get a cold is after a carb meal (4 times in the last 5.5years... which is super rare, but I'd prefer ZERO times ;)... and not even large carbs... just 50g-ish did it to me the last time. So I'm suspicious that carbs down regulate gamma interferon production that accompanies ketosis, and opens a window for viral infection.
I suspect a lot of practicing LCHF could share similar experiences, myself included. There’s a LCDU conference video, I forget who but not a typical all star, that touches upon the gamma interferon relevance. But of course the presenter is careful not to stray in to malinformation territory (leaving that job to the marketing arms at teams Big).
@@Appleblade sounds about right. I reviewed my history but unfortunately filtering against LCDU doesn’t narrow it down very much. As spambots we are underperforming :)
Important podcast for me. Esp. ca. 22:00. I am confused about Randle cycle and Bart K. teachings. Plus Ben Bikman. Never heard his opinion on this tbh. Thank you Judy 💙. Maybe you will have a chance to ask about this. I would like you have a podcast with dr Gabriel Lyon too, as a kinda part 2 to this.
I personally can’t eat the carbs he recommends. As usual bio individuality is the fly in the ointment. But always good to hear what’s happening in research.
Lots of great information on protein….and should be interesting when folks can compare for themselves the amino acid profiles of the animal versus plant proteins….
Great interview, I'm about ten days into carnivore and will stick with it for at least a month because I want to lose a bit of weight and heal my gut but learned a lot here , what would be the healthiest carbs to transition to staying away from grains as I believe I'm slightly gluten intolerant ?
Thank you for sharing this interview. I like hearing topics from different points of view to avoid placing myself on an island. It's ok hearing from a doctor that carnivore is not recommended as long as they explain why. The way the doctor explained it makes sense. He doesn't suggest a vegan diet either, which I agree with. I listen to vegan doctors to also understand their point of view. This interview is so helpful, Judy. I like how he recommends different strategies depending on your age, total protein per meal, and total protein per day. It's amazing. It made me think of switching from OMAD to 2MAD, targeting about 50-60g of protein per meal, 1:1 protein to fat ratio + a few veggies, one meal at around noon and the last at about 6 pm when I get home. Thank you again for sharing. You do a great job educating us.
Wow, the information about where our ideas of amino acid ratios were derived is amazing, and it brings up even more questions. Should adults really eat the same way as a rapidly growing baby, or do humans really need the same amino acid ratios as birds?
Nice guy but almost SAD oriented. Certain biases in his research methodology. Not convinced I personally need that many carbs and too many 10-20 year carnivores show that for some, it is very healthy to be zero carb. Dr Ken Berry teaches that we need to listen to our bodies and experiment for ourselves. The proper human diet (PHD) is a spectrum from clean, whole food keto to carnivore. He recommends dialing your carbs 100 grams to 0 based on your needs. All these formulas and ratios and micronutrient analyses just make folks anxious. I see comments that ask “Can I…” and I want to shout, “Try it and see how it feels…this isn’t brain surgery.” I will continue to listen to my body, enjoy my high school weight and low post meal blood sugars and walk. Judy, I do appreciate your interview technique and ability to pull information from each speaker that is relevant. I am also becoming more aware that stumbling on Dr Ken Berry early in my quest for optimum health was heaven sent. My baseline of information is solid and secure. I will continue to tweak and experiment and allow my body to talk to me and watch your channel for great ideas to try, sometimes😊, thank you for helping us on our journey to optimum health.
This was a wonderful comment. And I agree fully. We need to find what works for us and glean the advise that can help us and not get so worried about making every single advocate turn carnivore. The healing powers of carnivore will shine and I’m not worried about that. ♥️
what about those with healthy circadian rhythms? dont they have high blood sugar in mornings too? i dont think high blood sugar in the morning is all that bad. in fact it can be quite good. you dont need coffee. youre full of energy and ready to go. whats bad is chronically elevated blood sugar throughout the day, aka diabetes.
@@binathere2574 the problem is primarily the sugar. insulin is just there to lower it. if there wasnt chronically elevated blood sugar in the first place, then there wouldnt be chronically elevated insulin
@@cantCComment it can the problem. But high chronic insulin is rarely checked. You can have high insulin without high sugar. This video explains it. ruclips.net/video/25NSnwR0Wn8/видео.html
@@binathere2574 in the context of a carnivore diet it is absolutely impossible to have high insulin without something that would trigger a strong insulin release. in the context of the standard modern diet the most common reason for high insulin are excessive carb consumption and frequent aggressive randle cycle activation. it is possible to have high insulin without high blood sugar, but what triggered the strong insulin release in the first place? its still sugar! without high carb foods in the diet, it is absolutely impossible to have chronically elevated insulin especially when blood sugar is low
@@cantCComment I don't disagree with you. Blue light can also cause insulin resistance. There is a direct link from pituitary to Vagus nerve the pancreas and the gut is included. So a confused circadian rhythm can causes insulin resistance even in low carb/carnivore.
It is normal for the body to manifest of an aversion to food that increase toxicity. I would speculate that part of the reason the brain puts a stop to protein intake is that one or more of the amnio acids has reached a too high threshold. Is that an acute or chronic threshold?
He doesn't recommend the carnivore (or ketogenic) diet but has no problem with the vegan diet. Why am I not surprised? He works with the food industry which has been moving in the meatless direction lately. Although I listened to the entire interview, he lost me when he said we "need about 100 grams" of carbohydrates a day. We need to consume exactly zero. He should know better. It makes it hard to trust his advice on protein consumption.
So if the protein requirements were made from a formula used for rapidly growing baby then shouldn’t adults require much less as we are not rapidly growing,
Ok, listen to this guy long enough... i tried but "his" research doesnt reflect new studies being released and still holds onto the SAD diet even if its at a reduction.
If i did one cup basmati rice, is it really bad in terms of carbs? I went through a lot of stuff since my surgery for Endometriosis. Nothing related to surgery but prior gut issues. Thank you
You can convert it to a resistant starch - pressure cook it on high heat for at least 15 minutes to remove lectins and then freeze it for 12 hours. You can reheat the rice or skinned potatoes any number of times after that.
If I understood correctly, Dr Layman said that our bodies require 100 carbs (400 cal) daily and if we don't get it from food, our liver will make it from protein. If that's true, it's a big deal since 400cal equals 100 grams of protein. That's almost my entire daily intake!. But maybe the liver is able to create 400 cal from less than 100 gr of protein.
Then saying that, you could never watch Judy again (this channel) or any channel with a Medical doctor (MD / DO) or Science doctor (Ph'd) (note some are both, many are not). All are trying to sell a service, just like any fitness influencer or nutritionist or dietician and so on. All are trying to sell you on something, be it a product, idea, views or a service of using their services or watching their channel so they can profit. ALL nutrition, health sciences and medical training is support by Big Food or Big Pharma - ALL of it ! All humans have a personal bias. All humans have underlying motives. All we can do is try to seek out the ones who work strictly for cash and work out of the sight of the public, generally these will be the most "pure" of heart as they are not searching for public acceptance or government approval or national licensing.
@@NutritionwithJudy Maybe so but as I said, the food industry has such bad reputation that any scientist working for them raises a red flag for me immediately. I think he did say he was working for companies researching protein foods.... I don't know what he had to say nor I want to know but I prefer my proteins from animal, meat, eggs, dairy ( better aminoacids if you like ) and from plants in second place.... my información is that protein in powder form the body is less effective absorbing it and I personally don't need to take protein in that form. As how much is the right amount then I guess that is the one million $ question as everybody seems to have a different answer. As a diabetic in remission I need to be careful not to over consume proteins for 2 reasons, firstly the excess can be converted into glucose so I try to eat not more than 1.5 grams per kilo and that seems to work for me and also protein provokes a little bit of a response from insulin, not huge but enough for people with insulin resistance / diabetes to keep an eye on. I thought your talk with Dr Ben Bikman was so informative and he is someone I can trust.
Why bother to eat plants at all if they don't have what our body require... that is of course if you have access to enough meat... people started to eat plants only from a lack of meat
Seems like a nice man. By his own admission he hasn't done much research on the carnivore diet...yet he doesn't agree with it?, that's not an expert opinion. I don't know I fully agree with it BUT I've been trying it for 3 mths and feel great so far. Academics are influenced by their biases, just like everyone else.
I am fairly certain that Dr. Jason Fung lectures that calorie restriction will slow your resting metabolism but actual fasting ( more than 24 hours- could be more) boosts metabolsm and hyper- sensitivity/awareness/alertness as a survival mechanism. Someone corrdct me. This guy simply states assertion "we did a study, blah, blah...without documented proof. Yes, of course we believe you...
@@binathere2574 Dr. Fung gives the example, "say you drop from 2000 cal/day to 1500 cal/day. Your metabolisms will compensate by slowing down to only burn only 1500 cal/day. If you drop to zero cal/day, your body has no other choice than to start burning fat from storage since your'e adding nothing to the tank. Besides, I think Fung could take Bikman in a no-holds barred MMA ;-)
60 each meal. Simple. I have to restrict to stay at 120g protein per day. For breakfast I have ground beef, bacon, sausage and eggs. Dinner I have salmon and shrimp, steak or chicken wings. Easy peasy.
Is he saying I need to lower my protein from 1g per pound of ideal weight to 1.2g per kg? So that would be 72g Then cut my fat to no more than 30% of calories and add in at least 100g of carb? That would put me at about 1000 calories a day.
He talks about losing muscle as weight is lost, but I'm guessing that's based on data from restrictive diets. How does that compare with losing weight from eating an abundance of meat? Do we all lose muscle mass? I'm 65 and have lost 35# in the past 2 years eating carni-keto. I'm hoping I haven't lost too much muscle mass, although my arms are skinny old-lady looking and I now have sagging crepey skin. Darn it.
I think this guy has no understanding of carnivore at all. Talking about insulin swings on carnivore. Most carnivore have extremely LOW insulin. Maybe even too low. How can we even be sure his protein hypothesis/results can be extrapolated to carnivore or even keto, since his studies were done on people eating 100-130g carbs per day. Good science would dictate that we cannot extrapolate his results to a completely different population group. I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying it's not good science to take the results and apply them to a different group.
I have type 2 diabetes. Can anybody tell me why whey protein makes me gain fat? I usually take a scoop or two after workout. If this persists, I will stop the whey proteins altogether.
From the experience of Type 1 diabetics in keto, whey is absorbed too quickly by the body and it tends to turn on gluconeogenesis. It's better to eat the protein as meat since it's absorbed more slowly. If you need a shake, consider beef isolate instead of whey.
@@nataliajimenez1870 thanks for the advice… yes i sort of think likewise. The whey protein also drives up my hunger as well… i just get more protein from beef, pork and chicken breast… this whey thing causes way too much downstream eating.
Thanks you for sharing this great interview, however, I still have reservations around Dr. Layman's concern about carnivore diet given that there are quite a lot of carnivores who strive for 20-30 years without carbs, but if someone can get away with more carbs, who is stopping them? But does adding carbs optimizes health even if one can get away with it? More research would be definitely be helpful. One topic that is often brought is how age affects the efficiency of our metabolic process. I believe that most if not all of the researches done on older people are those who have been eating a standard diet, so its not surprising that they get worst as they age. There are no good studies out there on metabolically healthy elderly folks (who are eating carnivore or ketovore for example) looking at, for example, their blood works, their protein absorption, lean body mass loss/gain and metabolic process rate compared with someone on a standard diet. I hope this topic can be addressed with other guest speakers when talking about older people in future podcast. I feel it is not too correct to make assumptions on aging based on studies of people who on standard diet.
Your channel is one of the best out there and unbiased. You do great work. Mother's milk contains sugar and good amount too. It looks that there is still a lot of mystery.
I wonder what Dr Layman would think of the metabolism of humans before the Agricultural Revolution , that had no or little carbs . One wonders how we existed for millions of years before agriculture . Obviously we died out lol
Great interview. Humans no doubt have a range of food they can eat and I think wherever one eats on that range is complimented by what they do with other aspects of their lives. It may well be that some carbs make up for lack of certain exertions that we likely have done over the eons of evolution, especially since much of what we do today is very artificial compared to how we would have interacted in nature. Dr. Layman and Dr. Goldkamp that I follow both like the idea of eating multiple protein meals a day for muscle growth or stimulation. I think there is something to this and would love to see more research here too, especially since this seems to be opposite the idea we ate very large meals and went for longer periods until we ate again throughout evolution. Likely this is also a response to changes in routines as we get away from nature. It is good to get all the different people and experience together to attempt to understand. Each aspect is a piece of the puzzle and we will only see it when we put as much of the puzzle together as we can. I don't believe we are there yet as there are just too many groups putting together their own parts and not working with other groups to build the entire puzzle so we can see the whole picture.
I get why you interviewed him and we all need to be open to learning and expanding. However, I do not trust people who work for 'food companies' as they have an alternative agenda based on money, not health. We also now better understand that colleges and universities are also corrupted by big business. Like so many of the commenters below, doing the opposite of what mainstream has been suggesting is 'healthy' is what has healed me. My point is, while I do believe he is confident and believes in his work, I also feel his thoughts are jaded - whether intentional or not. Even scientists have personal bias and we have to remember that. Of course so do I - ha - but the proof has been in the pudding. Just couldn't stomach listening to all of his thoughts as I just don't agree - well educated or not. Many well-educated folks are just downright wrong....
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My hope in sharing this interview was to help carnivores understand the important of meal timing, amino acids and how splitting protein in multiple meals may be best to support maintaining muscle mass. Just because Dr. Layman likes a little bit of carbs doesn’t mean his content on protein is wrong. We have a MD that’s a carnivore in this space that advocates for fruit and honey. I hope we can stay open and learn the nuggets we need to improve on health and not get so hung up on one factor in an interview to then dismiss everything. This won’t be a channel that’s an echo chamber and even though I am carnivore, I’m confident in my standings to talk to others that aren’t carnivore so we can glean lessons from them.
Totally agree Judy!
What I find compelling here is Dr Layman's not-carnivore-only perspective converges, independently, with Dr Saladino. That plant protein is not effective, and that of a range of carbs that can be consumed.
Could a controlled range of carbs, cycled, be a thing on a carnivore diet, then? (And maybe that's why Saladino is about fruit vs other forms of carbs)
Saladino and his fruit and honey would have me go backwards on my health.
Before Carnivore I was Keto before keto I was no sugar or processed foods, but did eat lots of vegetables, and starches rice potatoes, became insulin resistant, worked out 4-5 days a week felt good at first just cutting out the junk, but after 2 years weight gain fast, Hypertension overnight, all ways had trouble with arthritis way back in my 40s.
Not any more. Listening to Salidino I had a modest amount of carbs next day my back was severely inflamed. Others may want carbs but it's not for me. Sometime at least for me, listening to so many professionals only adds to the confusion. If I have been there and done that and it didn't work, why would I expect it to be a different result next time? I have been foolish enough to take the advice of others like Salidino only to be hurt by it.
Dr Chaffee and Dr Berry Shawn Baker they stay the course, they are not double minded, I'll stick with them.
@@jimj1889 stick with what works for you.
I think I understand a little bit where you are coming from.... I stopped taking statin tablets about a year ago but my ketogenic diet has raised my LDL. Now, my triglycerides and HDL are good and very good, Ab1ac is excellent and I'm type 2 diabetic ...and yet doctors keep asking me to go on medication... my doctor calls me and says " I have your blood test results and I'm off on holiday tomorrow so I thought I'd call you now" despite LDL going down he insisted I try this new tablet.... 20 minutes after the first tablet I felt dizzy which is one of the side effects and that got better after 3 days but after 7 days I noticed while I was sitting down that my legs muscles were moving, I actually had spasms on both legs. Through away the tablets and it took 5 days to get back to normal.... I guess I felt just like you did after trying a little bit of carbs, following a doctor suggestion.
My problem isn't that he doesn't recommend the carnivore diet or that he likes a "little bit of carbs." It's that he thinks we "need" about 100 carbs a day. We don't "need" any. He should know better. Anyway, his findings on protein consumption are interesting and it's still a good interview.
Dr Layman is an outstanding researcher ☺️ great guest!
One meal a day may not be for everyone but for me it is ideal.. When I did 2 meal a day I started to crave carbs again, even tho I did not have any carbs in either meal and never had snacks.. I will stick to my one meal a day, my health depend on it.. Best I keep it simple. It makes no sense to me to eat when I am not hungry..
Thank you so much Judy. Going 100% carnivore has finally cured my histamine issues . Was 2 years but it works. Recently tried adding vegetables and so far its an huge no. Not sure why but my body hates everything but fat and meat. I just couldn't do omad I do 3 now. Made all the difference. Thank you again. Blessings shalom
It's good that you are experimenting and trying to find what works for you. Keep healing!
Awesome!
I think, bottom line, for me it's a question of fat/protein ratio and at the end of the day it's that ratio which would ultimately bring about my goals. Plant foods/carbs don't work for me.
You've killed off all the protective bacteria in your colon.
WOW! I love these micro-analysis on amino acids, proteins, vitamins, carbs etc. Something that we never really discuss in detail and in depth. Wish more people are more informed about these information so they can eat better for themselves in the long run! Love the content Judy, keep them coming!
I've been doing carnivore for about a year. I was able to lower my insulin front 24 to 10, so I'm still working on it!
So glad I watched this.. Bringing back out my whey protein shake.. I almost did not watch this. I am 77 yr old and plan on having at least another 25+ years ahead.. First I need to lose a large amount of weight and carnivore is really making this possible for me.
Protein shakes are not very healthy. The massively spike insulin
I was just thinking about this, if meat, avocado, fat, and salt would work?
Hi Judy. Excellent interview. I appreciate Dr. Layman & his research. Still loving my meat based way of eating, but remain open to different ideas/opinions/science, etc.
I don't trust this dude. Out of the gate he admits he consults with many food companies. That means he derives part of his income from them. The at 24:00 he conflates the conversion of protein to glucose through gluconeogenesis to the conversion of fats to glucose after stating that the body must have glucose and that ketones are not efficient. We know from a previous interview that babies developing in the womb and those being breastfed after birth are living totally on ketones during the most critical stages of development. This guy is a nutritional politician in my view and I mean that pejoratively. Sorry, just my 2 cents.
Not true Reginald. I have personally known him over 40 years. It’s very common that large university professors have consulting practices as well. Don is highly highly respected in nutrition research whether you want to agree on that or not.
He has a lot of good stuff to say ! Don’t have to believe everything he says !! Still worth the listen !
I agree. Omad has done wonders for me so I’m not so sure.
He explained elsewhere that he tried for funding for 10 years to research protein needs but was turned down as it was not directly related to disease in the funders mind. Then he reached out further. Some things are not black and white.
@@CatCambak that is not to say that OMAD is optimal forever and a day. And he clearly covers the fact that diet needs are not static throughout our lives.
Eating OMAD may be fine in middle age, or for repairing a dysfunctional metabolism. But at 75 or 85, this may no longer hold true.
At 66 I took up a sport that has really built up my muscle. I need more protein, and my body craves it. I feel it. I now attempt to have at least 2 if not 3 protein rich meals a day.
It's brilliant that you interview a variety of opinions. Good for you.
Great to see Don. I have personally known him for over 40 years.
The one thing i did take from this is no one should ever go vegan. And i see it all around me, young people say its the best diet ever and they feel amazing. People my age dont stick to it because they feel horrible.
My guess now is that they don't get enough protein.
I also liked hearing him say that fat is the bodies preferred energy source.
For now I'll stay 0 carb as so far that works for me.
And fibre definitely don't agree with me.
It was a very interesting interview and I learned a lot. Thanks judy x
This was a great interview, Judy. Yea, he is not a carnivore, but by admission he has never really studied it either. He didn't discount it though. He actually gave a bunch of good evidence that it is good for you, if you listened carefully and kinda used the evidence he presented, it pointed directly to a carnivore based diet. He just has not studied it, AND he said their baseline was based on the USDA food pyramid so it would be accepted data. NOt ideal for sure. Great info, that corrisponds directly to carnivore diet for bioavailability and muscle sparing and building. Good stuff!
That was thought provoking. I'm glad you bring guests like Dr Layman on. Helps to provide information I may not have considered.
His research on protein is really good . Still I am diabetic. Keto / carnivore. And doing so much better . Data info on protein and new RDA is definitely needed
Great guests. Great content. Great interview. I'm zero carb and I've tried it several different ways. No dogma allowed. Right now I eat two to four burger patties three times a day. Simple and easy. It's never the same for me. I'm getting better at guessing how much I need to eat.
RDI for carbs is 130 grams per day, that's incredible, considering that Dr. Gary Fettke shows in his presentation 'Carbohydrate: The Dose Is The Poison!' that the carb negatives start piling up after four grams.
Hmmmm interesting on the carbs… my husband is type 1 diabetic and having the best blood sugar control of his life as a 4yr carnivore. Using the least insulin of his life. 🤷♀️
Carbs were what gave him the blood sugar roller coaster!
Dr Layman is most likely NOT recommending that Type 1 Diabetics eat the full amount of carbs that he talks about. Come on.
Excellent Judy! Many notes taken. Thank you!
This interview did not go the way I thought it would. Much better than I thought it would. What an excellent video this is one I’m going to watch again
This is the best nutritional video that I've watched in the last two years. Thank you so much!
Dr. Layman is great, very open to the science and evidence
Thanks!
I've had hypoglycemia on a carnivore diet without any side effects. My blood glucose was down to 2.5-2.3mmol/L, and I was alert, focused and feeling all right. However, my CGM alarm went off on a regular basis.
I think carnivore + CGM have already trigerred the process of revising old physiology books.
I like Don, and the vast amount of data he's accumulated in his head.
As a pure carnivore for quite a few years now, I find that if I eat any carbs, I'm starving soon after and especially the next day. As a power lifter, I train in the morning fasted and with no carbs and have plenty of energy to squat or deadlift heavy singles or sets of 20 or more reps. I guess I'm extremely fat adapted and/or my body makes enough glucose for these extreme workouts. I wonder if there's any research on this type of training and the protein needs as in this discussion. Thank you, again, for your very informative, easy to watch and listen to videos.
Check the research of Dr Volek and Dr Phinney. They've studied very low carb ketogenic diets and their effect on athletic performance. They found that athletes that are well adapted to ketosis (more than 6 months) have the same glycogen reserves in their muscles than carb-dependent athletes. But initially in the transition period they don't. So you need several months in ketosis for your body to become fully fat adapted
@@nataliajimenez1870this is what I needed to know so basically a detox period before the growth begins
I really tried to be open to this conversation, but just couldn't as a Type 2 diabetic battling severe RA. Keto, then ketovore have helped me heal without meds and regain much of my life. Now I'm leaning into carnivore for deeper healing. If I followed this man's reckless advice regarding carbs, I'd end up dead or spending most days bed-ridden or dependent on the hospital. No thanks.
I don't think it's fair to say that his advice is reckless. He's a protein expert and the entire message was about protein synthesis and how to eat meat to support the body's needs for protein. Yes, he likes carbs but he also agreed that not everyone can eat carbs based on their history. If zero carbs help you heal, be secure in that. But it doesn't take away from the message that protein and the need for protein and several protein meals are necessary for proper nutrition.
@@NutritionwithJudy I will respectfully disagree when it comes to the dangers of overconsumption of carbs. Learned the hard way with my health, but also understand the importance of protein and its long-lasting benefits. Appreciate your dedication to presenting a broad range of views, tho.
@@NutritionwithJudy there is no way Don is reckless. I have personally known him over 40 years (my dad was his pastor) and his knowledge and respect in the nutrition world is among the highest of anyone who studies nutrition.
@Molon Lave You are absolutely correct. The man should know better.
@@ハク-q6e1j Excellent questions. I'd love to hear the answers.
Hi Judy 👋
I really enjoyed this post and all your other content ☺️
Thank you for doing this.
I do have a a point of view about eating or not eating carbs... So, I personally turn my keto into carnivore because of my SIBO issues...after few months of carnivore I eat a Avocado 🥑, and straight away in about 3h I get blotting for 2 days so....I can not tolerat any vegetables gluten or dairy ....so I feel excellent on Carnivore 🥓🍖🍽
About 500 gr of meat and some eggs per day cooked in lard or ghee.
Simply is the only way that I'm not feeling bloated anymore ❤️
I'm trying to listen to my body and guts.
Hope I'm doing the right on a long term 🙏
Best wishes ❤️
Excellent interview. So much helpful information, thanks to your insightful questions and his vast knowledge of protein/amino acids. I appreciated hearing his perspective on including carbs as well as your comments about a higher fat, ketogenic version of carnivore. For me, keeping my protein intake around 0.8 g/lb of body weight max (25 or so percentage of calories) is key to feeling good and being able to do the diet. Going higher protein is not sustainable for me.
Thank you, Judy, for sharing this terrific content!
Hi Mary, How does higher protein make you feel?
There are several new carnivores over 70 in a group I belong to. They're adapting quite well. They speak of feeling half their age. There are also some seasoned elderly carnivores, too. They report the same.
Have they had much muscle gain? Layman didn't say people after a certain age couldn't gain strength. I don't think he meant there could be no muscle gain but that it would be much smaller for the same training as a younger person would get.
I think he meant that older people tend to have a harder time adopting very different eating habits. But I think many have the motivation of reducing pain and preventing the devastating effects of diabetes like blindness, limb amputation and Alzheimer's
This was the best interview you've had by far. I watch a lot of stuff in this space, and often it's an echo chamber. I'd put this interview and my sense of this person's experience above pretty much all the other hardline, there is no other way, craziness out there. He really had me pause and think about if in a decade, we'll look at meat-only and absolutely nothing other than meat diets the same way we'll look at vegans. (Although i'd hypothesize meat only is way better than vegan, and probably most other actual forms of eating)
37:03 "Because as we become more interested in a plant based diet". Who is we? Research Funded by Bill Gates?
Exactly
His comment on plant based was about the lack of knowledge of the nutrient balance of plant based !! The comment was more a criticism of plant based than advocacy for it !!!!
No actually it's the 7th Day Adventists. Lowcarbdownunder on RUclips has some great information
Thanks Judy, I need to read up or get more wisdom, I am pure carnivore and I eat two 227 gram ribeyes for lunch and 5 eggs and bacon for breakfast and still loosing weight. I have type 2 diabetes and eat in a 4 hour window. 6 am -10am for the day. I don't sleep well because when I get up to go to the toilet say at 1 am I can be up for all night because I am nit tired, so I take 10 milligrams of melatonin and sleep till 4 am. I weight 165 pounds and 5:11 and how many grams a day of protein should I eat. Do you have a book? Thanks
Would like to see Dr Layman do a podcast with Bart Kay
Yes, me too! Dr. Layman seems like a very nice man, but he needs to be challenged on his claims.
That’s what my mind need coz I’m confused about this carb treshold vs Randle cycle. I want to know so I can do right or do my mistakes with carbs. Just would like to know what is corect (what’s human design mechanism).
Bart would be cruel...it would be sad. After, I'd love to ask which diet makes one a kinder person 😂
Bart would drown him in a salty sea of unnecessary vitriol.
Hi Judy, great interview. I was low carb for a while 150gms or less and it did nothing for me. I question the study that says that it works as well as Keto but all i know is what i read and what I feel. All I can say was finding the Carnivore Cure was immensely helpful to me, i feel great and look great. I am 56 and have muscle loss, probably from 7 years as a vegan ruining my health, sad to here it wont come back. Floppy arms forever :(. I wish I could eat carbs, just bread, that is all i miss is bread. Took a long time to stop the cravings so I don't want to risk it. Thanks again Judy!!!
Hi Nan 150 grams isn't low carb.
For me personally I had to get below 20 at 63 I feel great have suffered many years of issues such as arthritis I thought was inherited. Now at so called older age I feel better than in my 40s.
Straight Carnivore all the way.
Muscle loss (sarcopenia) is absolutely reversible. You are not stuck with the ravages of your previous dietary lifestyle. (I’m unclear as to where you think he said this.) For the most efficient and beneficial way to progress on the resistance exercise pathway, look into Kaatsu a.k.a. occlusion or BFR (blood flow restriction) training. It’s nearly miraculous except that the physiology behind it makes perfect sense. Loads of videos on YT, but look up Dr. Mercola’s 7 minute video. He really does a great job of summarizing the benefits. A set of $30-ish bands available online are all you need to get started.
You can do this.
I can handle a little sourdough bread once a week to keep my bread cravings at bay 😅
Judy, you are a master interviewer! I always learn the most even when I hear the same speaker in other podcasts 😂😂😂 ❤❤❤❤
This is the most informative 70 minutes on protein I have found yet.
Layman's students include Layne Norton PhD and Gabrielle Lyon, MD. They are smoother, but leave out vital details found here.
I think that Dr Layman is more open to thinking about different ideas that may contradict his views. For example, he had not thought that carnivores can leverage fat and ketosis to reduce the effect of gluconeogenesis and was open when Judy suggested it. His younger students are more rigid in their thinking, like for example Dr Lyon thinking that you definitely need carbs and Dr Norton not understanding that calories from sugar are totally different than calories from fat and the big difference that hunger makes in being able to maintain weight loss
Thank you both for an excellent podcast !!!🙏🙏🙏
Sleeping through the night requires a look at 21 different major variables, each with subsets of other variables, diet is only 1 of the variables with 11 subsets
Same here. Carnivore is helping me immensely. I eat very little fruits and veg. I do enjoy another opinion
Very interesting that stretching will preserve muscle. BTW, I did a program that targeted 40% protein, but eating only when BG had dropped to a certain level, for three or six weeks at a time. It meant I was eating about twice a day, but I was not told to target a certain amount of protein. I cut out all foods that made BG rise to 140, but really mostly was much lower than that for most meals, more like 110, and recovery within two hours. I wasn't really trying to lose weight, though I wouldn't have minded losing FAT. I did not target exercise. Over the course of the year, I lost about seven pounds (I was already in good BMI range) but FORTY PERCENT WAS MUSCLE. Damn! NOT good for this senior citizen. I also didn't have any appreciable drop in A1c despite very little starch, and pretty much within the range of carbs Layman recommends. Discouraging. I will never do anything that might cut my calories without exercise again. I also recently came back from a 5-week trip where I did eat more carbs at the end but was walking 7-10 miles a day. Had a hip problem, so it limited what else I was willing to do but was not willing to cut back on walking and seeing all I wanted to see. On coming home, I didn't lose any weight and had about the same bodyfat. My bodyfat scale shows that when skeletal muscle goes up a bit, total muscle tissue goes down, and vice versa. My body really likes the ratio. But I will target resistance next.
Best video on nutrition so far
Thank you so much Judy for this very interesting and informative interview, it helps a lot
Carnivore has changed my health so much, after trying so many other so called healthy approaches which led to pre diabetes and other issues. Why would I even listen to someone who is not an advocate of Carnivore?
2 years plus and still my health continues to improve. Will be 64 in two months.
Very very interesting at the 38 minute and forward
Wow! Very informative video; thank you for all of the research and studies that you have done. Happy I came across your channel!
The factor left out was the metabolic / inflammatory dragging anchor of Plant Defense Chemicals... short term view is 130g of carbs shows same markers as Keto... but what do those plant toxins do over 30, 40, 50 years of intake? Keto/Zero Carbers go on the ascendant while plant toxins age the rest of us rapidly (not "normally")
Dr Baker just addressed the reason why your blood sugar is higher in the morning and it wasn’t what this dr said.
Looking for this video
@@CreatingintheWaiting it is a new one. Short clip. The reason he gave was bc you’re still digesting. That’s the nutshell. I’ll try to find it for you
Here it is. ruclips.net/video/XT_SGbdWqJY/видео.html
What about Valter Longo research says low protein is best for cancer prevention but higher protein is best after 60 years old to prevent muscles atrophy
Portion control is easiest in tandem with one to two meals and no snacking
Lower carbs but I use sweet potatoes, collards, kale, for my carbs and it may be a quarter of a medium or large sweet potato, not the whole thing. A cup of cooked kale. A little organic homemade no sugar added yogurt, then chicken or beef.
It’s filling, satisfying and I don’t feel like I’m doing without
I love your videos, Judy! Thank you! And thank you for interviewing this icon in our field.
Maybe I missed it. Will eggs, ground beef, and cheese give me all the amino acids I need? TY
He hasn't actually studied carnivore, was voicing opinions based on his study of keto which is a different kind of diet, so I'm not sure what actually would apply in a carnivore environment.
But I have a question about protein absorption, something he mentioned. I've read that you can't absorb more than 20 grams of protein per meal. Not sure that's true, it likely depends on what kind of protein you're eating and what else you're eating with it. But maybe you could address this more specifically? I've seen other people assert it too, and don't know what to think. I'm carnivore, eat 2x a day and feel good, so am wondering.
Have you found out about this? I have heard this too 20 - 30g. Interested to know more
He interviewed with Paul Attica and mentioned there it was between 25-50g. I think he said that here too. It depends on how healthy your muscles are. Test with a meter to see how much you can tolerate per meal. Then divide the recommended amount by this and eat that many meals a day.
He actually works a lot with Dr Gabriel Lyon so yes he does have some experience with carnivore eating.
If RDA for carb is a 136 g why is it that carbs are not essential ?
Wow, amazing info💯. As the fam cook, i love hearing nutrition dialogue 4 optimal health 😉. Thx 4 sharing👍, gonna have 2 watch several times.✌
I am a 68 year old male. I work phisically most days, work out HIT with bar bells every 3rd day. I currently eat 750gm of meat / eggs / cheeze with each daily meal. This allows my weight and fat to lower while muscule and strength goes up. I eat 750gm each meal. Probably 1/2 of that is fat. If I took the advice here, 1.3gm per pound of body weight I would only consume 244gm of protien per day. That for me would starvation.
How can you be this knowledgeable about this subject and what you need, and not realize that Dr Layman is talking about the net protein gleaned from a food???
@@ellek6505 Probably because I have only ever eaten to satiety. The body knows what it wants. Never counted calories or worked out what the grams of protien or fat content might be in what I eat. Cannot imagine wasting the time on that. I am aware of what my steaks weight. I track my proformance and muscule / fat percentages, and will eat more or less to stay on track.
"How are they (plant based manufacturing) going to market? The way they always have just make shit up.
Just can't add any carbs other than occasional yet seldom an ounce or 2 of onions. Carnivore has helped greatly where keto no so much, even though I've had a weight loss plateau for a year now. Also, more questions of evolutionary backing of such claims of 100 grams of carb per day please. . 8 to 10 thousand years of agriculture is not long enough to fully impact human biology.
That's fair. I don't think we need carbs but I didn't have him on about carbs but the need for protein and how to best utilize protein.
@@NutritionwithJudy thanks for all you do 🌹
I guess I need more clarification. I input 70% protein 30% fat at 2400 calories, and it yielded me 417 grams of protein and 78 grams of fat. When Don talked about the study they did on middle-aged women, what was the caloric intake and deficit they were on?
The fat adaptation phase was not mentioned... I would imagine that since carbs are nonessential, the # grams is very varied to spare glycogen? Also, no discussion re: increased oxidative stress from carb utilization for fuel vs fat adaptation....
I've posted this before, but the only time I get a cold is after a carb meal (4 times in the last 5.5years... which is super rare, but I'd prefer ZERO times ;)... and not even large carbs... just 50g-ish did it to me the last time. So I'm suspicious that carbs down regulate gamma interferon production that accompanies ketosis, and opens a window for viral infection.
I suspect a lot of practicing LCHF could share similar experiences, myself included. There’s a LCDU conference video, I forget who but not a typical all star, that touches upon the gamma interferon relevance. But of course the presenter is careful not to stray in to malinformation territory (leaving that job to the marketing arms at teams Big).
@@dmackle3849 Yeah!... red haired guy from California? Did an informal audience survey? He's in my desktop computer's bookmarks somewhere. ;)
@@Appleblade sounds about right. I reviewed my history but unfortunately filtering against LCDU doesn’t narrow it down very much. As spambots we are underperforming :)
@@Appleblade hands up who wants science.
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Are these lean tissue losses necessarily muscle protein? How about with fasting rather than caloric restriction? Good interview, Judy!
Excellent interview
Important podcast for me. Esp. ca. 22:00. I am confused about Randle cycle and Bart K. teachings. Plus Ben Bikman. Never heard his opinion on this tbh. Thank you Judy 💙. Maybe you will have a chance to ask about this. I would like you have a podcast with dr Gabriel Lyon too, as a kinda part 2 to this.
I personally can’t eat the carbs he recommends. As usual bio individuality is the fly in the ointment. But always good to hear what’s happening in research.
Lots of great information on protein….and should be interesting when folks can compare for themselves the amino acid profiles of the animal versus plant proteins….
Great interview, I'm about ten days into carnivore and will stick with it for at least a month because I want to lose a bit of weight and heal my gut but learned a lot here , what would be the healthiest carbs to transition to staying away from grains as I believe I'm slightly gluten intolerant ?
Thank you for sharing this interview. I like hearing topics from different points of view to avoid placing myself on an island. It's ok hearing from a doctor that carnivore is not recommended as long as they explain why. The way the doctor explained it makes sense. He doesn't suggest a vegan diet either, which I agree with. I listen to vegan doctors to also understand their point of view. This interview is so helpful, Judy. I like how he recommends different strategies depending on your age, total protein per meal, and total protein per day. It's amazing. It made me think of switching from OMAD to 2MAD, targeting about 50-60g of protein per meal, 1:1 protein to fat ratio + a few veggies, one meal at around noon and the last at about 6 pm when I get home. Thank you again for sharing. You do a great job educating us.
Wow, the information about where our ideas of amino acid ratios were derived is amazing, and it brings up even more questions. Should adults really eat the same way as a rapidly growing baby, or do humans really need the same amino acid ratios as birds?
Nice guy but almost SAD oriented. Certain biases in his research methodology. Not convinced I personally need that many carbs and too many 10-20 year carnivores show that for some, it is very healthy to be zero carb.
Dr Ken Berry teaches that we need to listen to our bodies and experiment for ourselves. The proper human diet (PHD) is a spectrum from clean, whole food keto to carnivore. He recommends dialing your carbs 100 grams to 0 based on your needs.
All these formulas and ratios and micronutrient analyses just make folks anxious. I see comments that ask “Can I…” and I want to shout, “Try it and see how it feels…this isn’t brain surgery.”
I will continue to listen to my body, enjoy my high school weight and low post meal blood sugars and walk.
Judy, I do appreciate your interview technique and ability to pull information from each speaker that is relevant. I am also becoming more aware that stumbling on Dr Ken Berry early in my quest for optimum health was heaven sent. My baseline of information is solid and secure. I will continue to tweak and experiment and allow my body to talk to me and watch your channel for great ideas to try, sometimes😊, thank you for helping us on our journey to optimum health.
This was a wonderful comment. And I agree fully. We need to find what works for us and glean the advise that can help us and not get so worried about making every single advocate turn carnivore. The healing powers of carnivore will shine and I’m not worried about that. ♥️
@@NutritionwithJudy amen!
what about those with healthy circadian rhythms? dont they have high blood sugar in mornings too? i dont think high blood sugar in the morning is all that bad. in fact it can be quite good. you dont need coffee. youre full of energy and ready to go.
whats bad is chronically elevated blood sugar throughout the day, aka diabetes.
Chronically elevated insulin throughout the day is what the problem is
@@binathere2574 the problem is primarily the sugar. insulin is just there to lower it. if there wasnt chronically elevated blood sugar in the first place, then there wouldnt be chronically elevated insulin
@@cantCComment it can the problem. But high chronic insulin is rarely checked. You can have high insulin without high sugar. This video explains it.
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@@binathere2574 in the context of a carnivore diet it is absolutely impossible to have high insulin without something that would trigger a strong insulin release. in the context of the standard modern diet the most common reason for high insulin are excessive carb consumption and frequent aggressive randle cycle activation. it is possible to have high insulin without high blood sugar, but what triggered the strong insulin release in the first place? its still sugar! without high carb foods in the diet, it is absolutely impossible to have chronically elevated insulin especially when blood sugar is low
@@cantCComment I don't disagree with you. Blue light can also cause insulin resistance. There is a direct link from pituitary to Vagus nerve the pancreas and the gut is included. So a confused circadian rhythm can causes insulin resistance even in low carb/carnivore.
It is normal for the body to manifest of an aversion to food that increase toxicity. I would speculate that part of the reason the brain puts a stop to protein intake is that one or more of the amnio acids has reached a too high threshold. Is that an acute or chronic threshold?
I just want to lose fat and gain muscle 😊 aa 60 yr old female. The more I listen to the more confused I am 😮
I have been very low carb & probably lost body fat because of it. Adding in some carbs, good carbs 😁 thank you for what you do
He doesn't recommend the carnivore (or ketogenic) diet but has no problem with the vegan diet. Why am I not surprised? He works with the food industry which has been moving in the meatless direction lately. Although I listened to the entire interview, he lost me when he said we "need about 100 grams" of carbohydrates a day. We need to consume exactly zero. He should know better. It makes it hard to trust his advice on protein consumption.
So if the protein requirements were made from a formula used for rapidly growing baby then shouldn’t adults require much less as we are not rapidly growing,
Ok, listen to this guy long enough... i tried but "his" research doesnt reflect new studies being released and still holds onto the SAD diet even if its at a reduction.
Valuable information
Animal based with few whole food low sugar carbs works for me. I’m active and thin. Metabolic healthy.
Wow!!
Excellent podcast👍😎👍💪
I'm 56 and eat a carnivore diet. I don't have hypo/hyper glycemic swings. I didn't know that was a thing.
If i did one cup basmati rice, is it really bad in terms of carbs? I went through a lot of stuff since my surgery for Endometriosis. Nothing related to surgery but prior gut issues. Thank you
I would probably ask what would 1 cup of basmati rice provide in terms of nutrient density.
@@helenalovelock1030 haha nothing besides just adding flavor.
You can convert it to a resistant starch - pressure cook it on high heat for at least 15 minutes to remove lectins and then freeze it for 12 hours. You can reheat the rice or skinned potatoes any number of times after that.
@@Shiv1971 thank you!
If I understood correctly, Dr Layman said that our bodies require 100 carbs (400 cal) daily and if we don't get it from food, our liver will make it from protein. If that's true, it's a big deal since 400cal equals 100 grams of protein. That's almost my entire daily intake!. But maybe the liver is able to create 400 cal from less than 100 gr of protein.
It is not able to do that.
I'm gonna stick on what's working for me, meat heavy ketovore.
I'm sorry but anyone that works for the food industry raises my suspicion on anything they have to say so I'm out after the first minute lol.
It's unfortunate because you missed a remarkable talk on protein and amino acid needs.
Then saying that, you could never watch Judy again (this channel) or any channel with a Medical doctor (MD / DO) or Science doctor (Ph'd) (note some are both, many are not). All are trying to sell a service, just like any fitness influencer or nutritionist or dietician and so on. All are trying to sell you on something, be it a product, idea, views or a service of using their services or watching their channel so they can profit. ALL nutrition, health sciences and medical training is support by Big Food or Big Pharma - ALL of it ! All humans have a personal bias. All humans have underlying motives. All we can do is try to seek out the ones who work strictly for cash and work out of the sight of the public, generally these will be the most "pure" of heart as they are not searching for public acceptance or government approval or national licensing.
@@NutritionwithJudy Maybe so but as I said, the food industry has such bad reputation that any scientist working for them raises a red flag for me immediately.
I think he did say he was working for companies researching protein foods.... I don't know what he had to say nor I want to know but I prefer my proteins from animal, meat, eggs, dairy ( better aminoacids if you like ) and from plants in second place.... my información is that protein in powder form the body is less effective absorbing it and I personally don't need to take protein in that form.
As how much is the right amount then I guess that is the one million $ question as everybody seems to have a different answer. As a diabetic in remission I need to be careful not to over consume proteins for 2 reasons, firstly the excess can be converted into glucose so I try to eat not more than 1.5 grams per kilo and that seems to work for me and also protein provokes a little bit of a response from insulin, not huge but enough for people with insulin resistance / diabetes to keep an eye on.
I thought your talk with Dr Ben Bikman was so informative and he is someone I can trust.
@@MrRRSODL Ben Bikman sells shakes: you should distrust him immediately?
@@dmackle3849 there’s a huge difference between this Dr amd Dr Bickman. Huge.
Why bother to eat plants at all if they don't have what our body require... that is of course if you have access to enough meat... people started to eat plants only from a lack of meat
Seems like a nice man. By his own admission he hasn't done much research on the carnivore diet...yet he doesn't agree with it?, that's not an expert opinion.
I don't know I fully agree with it BUT I've been trying it for 3 mths and feel great so far.
Academics are influenced by their biases, just like everyone else.
I am fairly certain that Dr. Jason Fung lectures that calorie restriction will slow your resting metabolism but actual fasting ( more than 24 hours- could be more) boosts metabolsm and hyper- sensitivity/awareness/alertness as a survival mechanism. Someone corrdct me. This guy simply states assertion "we did a study, blah, blah...without documented proof. Yes, of course we believe you...
When you aren't used to fasting your body will react with stress releasing catecholamines which will make you use extra energy.
Go listen to Ben Bikman He will tell you calorie counting is useless and has nothing to do with weight.
@@binathere2574 Dr. Fung gives the example, "say you drop from 2000 cal/day to 1500 cal/day. Your metabolisms will compensate by slowing down to only burn only 1500 cal/day. If you drop to zero cal/day, your body has no other choice than to start burning fat from storage since your'e adding nothing to the tank.
Besides, I think Fung could take Bikman in a no-holds barred MMA ;-)
@@Smokeycam1 it's not
that calories don't matter, but it's insulin that controls fat metabolism. There's more to it that just controlling calories.
@@binathere2574 wait! Did somebody just move the goal post?
How do you get to 120g of protein with two meals?
Eggs and bacon/big steak...how I do it.
60 each meal. Simple. I have to restrict to stay at 120g protein per day. For breakfast I have ground beef, bacon, sausage and eggs. Dinner I have salmon and shrimp, steak or chicken wings. Easy peasy.
There’s no way I can eat over a hundred carbs a day and not gain weight
Is he saying I need to lower my protein from 1g per pound of ideal weight to 1.2g per kg? So that would be 72g Then cut my fat to no more than 30% of calories and add in at least 100g of carb? That would put me at about 1000 calories a day.
Look up Ben Bikman calories have nothing to do with weightloss.
thank u
He talks about losing muscle as weight is lost, but I'm guessing that's based on data from restrictive diets. How does that compare with losing weight from eating an abundance of meat? Do we all lose muscle mass?
I'm 65 and have lost 35# in the past 2 years eating carni-keto. I'm hoping I haven't lost too much muscle mass, although my arms are skinny old-lady looking and I now have sagging crepey skin. Darn it.
I think this guy has no understanding of carnivore at all. Talking about insulin swings on carnivore. Most carnivore have extremely LOW insulin. Maybe even too low. How can we even be sure his protein hypothesis/results can be extrapolated to carnivore or even keto, since his studies were done on people eating 100-130g carbs per day. Good science would dictate that we cannot extrapolate his results to a completely different population group. I'm not saying he's wrong. I'm saying it's not good science to take the results and apply them to a different group.
I have type 2 diabetes. Can anybody tell me why whey protein makes me gain fat? I usually take a scoop or two after workout. If this persists, I will stop the whey proteins altogether.
From the experience of Type 1 diabetics in keto, whey is absorbed too quickly by the body and it tends to turn on gluconeogenesis. It's better to eat the protein as meat since it's absorbed more slowly. If you need a shake, consider beef isolate instead of whey.
@@nataliajimenez1870 thanks for the advice… yes i sort of think likewise. The whey protein also drives up my hunger as well… i just get more protein from beef, pork and chicken breast… this whey thing causes way too much downstream eating.
Thanks you for sharing this great interview, however, I still have reservations around Dr. Layman's concern about carnivore diet given that there are quite a lot of carnivores who strive for 20-30 years without carbs, but if someone can get away with more carbs, who is stopping them? But does adding carbs optimizes health even if one can get away with it? More research would be definitely be helpful. One topic that is often brought is how age affects the efficiency of our metabolic process. I believe that most if not all of the researches done on older people are those who have been eating a standard diet, so its not surprising that they get worst as they age. There are no good studies out there on metabolically healthy elderly folks (who are eating carnivore or ketovore for example) looking at, for example, their blood works, their protein absorption, lean body mass loss/gain and metabolic process rate compared with someone on a standard diet. I hope this topic can be addressed with other guest speakers when talking about older people in future podcast. I feel it is not too correct to make assumptions on aging based on studies of people who on standard diet.
I think that the human mothers milk have to be very well researched because that is the perfect food for developing human
Your channel is one of the best out there and unbiased. You do great work. Mother's milk contains sugar and good amount too. It looks that there is still a lot of mystery.
I wonder what Dr Layman would think of the metabolism of humans before the Agricultural Revolution , that had no or little carbs . One wonders how we existed for millions of years before agriculture . Obviously we died out lol
Great interview. Humans no doubt have a range of food they can eat and I think wherever one eats on that range is complimented by what they do with other aspects of their lives. It may well be that some carbs make up for lack of certain exertions that we likely have done over the eons of evolution, especially since much of what we do today is very artificial compared to how we would have interacted in nature.
Dr. Layman and Dr. Goldkamp that I follow both like the idea of eating multiple protein meals a day for muscle growth or stimulation. I think there is something to this and would love to see more research here too, especially since this seems to be opposite the idea we ate very large meals and went for longer periods until we ate again throughout evolution. Likely this is also a response to changes in routines as we get away from nature.
It is good to get all the different people and experience together to attempt to understand. Each aspect is a piece of the puzzle and we will only see it when we put as much of the puzzle together as we can. I don't believe we are there yet as there are just too many groups putting together their own parts and not working with other groups to build the entire puzzle so we can see the whole picture.
So this guy who enjoys carbs says they are necessary. 🙄 Ok, Jan. There are no essential carbs.
I get why you interviewed him and we all need to be open to learning and expanding. However, I do not trust people who work for 'food companies' as they have an alternative agenda based on money, not health. We also now better understand that colleges and universities are also corrupted by big business. Like so many of the commenters below, doing the opposite of what mainstream has been suggesting is 'healthy' is what has healed me. My point is, while I do believe he is confident and believes in his work, I also feel his thoughts are jaded - whether intentional or not. Even scientists have personal bias and we have to remember that. Of course so do I - ha - but the proof has been in the pudding. Just couldn't stomach listening to all of his thoughts as I just don't agree - well educated or not. Many well-educated folks are just downright wrong....