Great analysis. Royals are reared in a very "unreal" environment and some never really catch on to normal behavior and mores outside their very small, protected walls. I believe both Andrew and Harry really never adjusted to real life, also evidenced in their strong military connection (a way of life where everything is thought-out for oneself, no insights needed). Their sense of "right and wrong" is just incomplete and self-centered, never understanding the concept of victims or the impact of their behavior on others. It's really living half a life.
Very interesting insight 👍, but H was brought up the same as William and had less insular lives than the previous generation eg, Andrew and Charles. Thoughts? 😊🤔
@@leandabee I believe it's about their personalities and psychological makeups, and not generational differences. It always comes down to the process of self-realization and actualization. I believe William self-actualized, even if as difficult for him--but he made it. Odd, both Harry and Andrew are both the "spares" which means they may have had (and Harry still has) an erroneous notion that he's not good enough, thus low self-esteem. Insecurity has caused them to value external regimentation. Life is easier for them that way.
While I think Royals need a great deal of socialization outside their own ‘bubble’. Harry and Andrew are both arrogant, self entitled, selfish ‘men’. Human nature needs boundaries and consequences for going beyond those boundaries. Something Royals not only rise above that, they have PR in place to hype anything they do. They are both shocked to find out the public views them almost the opposite of how they see themselves.
You nailed it with this comment! Both Andrew and Harry have a huge sense of 'Self Worth' & 'Entitlement' whereas I don't get the impression that Charles or William have these negative attributes & are much more 'of the people'.
After SCOOP Hi Shauna, Thanks, again for this one. I never made it, watching the Andrew interview, when it was broadcast…I’ve never cottoned to Andrew. There was something …off? about him. Even when he was a young man. I’ve no idea why, I’m not interested enough to examine it. About 20 minutes into the original interview, I’d had enough. Guess what!! The same thing happened with “Scoop” only I stuck with it because I like the actress, Billie Piper, I think I spelled that correctly. A few weeks ago, there was build up to a new list of names being released. Friends of Jeffrey. And, the media dropped it. Was that list made public? I’m sure Slick Willie (aka Bill Clinton) was listed, at least, he should have been listed. But….it’s like that part of the story died, innit??
Mr clinton, mr gates and on and on.. Meghan being a yaght girl has met all that explains her absolute convindence to having these influence rich men, who s sevrets she knows,.....
Another point to be made is about the decor at the New York mansion - we now know that the place was entirely decorated with NSFW, tasteless photos and paintings, some of it of Jeffrey and Maxwell themselves - and in the public spaces, including in the entry hall and in the staircases, where no-one could pretend they hadn't seen it.
So fascinating Shauna! You always bring out so many interesting details, without being sensational, which gives the listener the push to think about what you are saying in an intellectual way instead of irrational emotional way! Always feel like I get the facts and can make up my own mind! Great job!
The late queen did well to force Andrew to settle and to strip him of his honorary patronages. And seeing how much Harry is like his uncle, I understand the efforts of the RF to make sure Harry had a purpose in life. (Unfortunately, along came the spider.) But as for Andrew, he can never come back as a working royal. And he really tainted his daughters' possibility to become working royals. I now understand why princess Beatrice hasn't already.
I cannot fathom why any discussion would be out in the open unless they thought the house was bugged or they wanted to be seen. Surely Andrew is not that naive to think no one would see them. Maybe he wanted to be photographed stupidly showing his support. Unfortunately the Yorks should have been more careful about who they mixed with in their position. Plus Sarah became indebted to Epstein when he paid off monies owed to an ex-employee. One thing I can’t understand, where were the palace watchdogs or MI5. Surely there is someone keeping tabs and advising the Royals on who and who not to mix with! What’s sad is how these young girls get in this situation - where are their family and friends?
My theory is that Epstein was trying to use his association with Andrew (and others) for protection from further prosecution. JE set up the photograph, and he had enough material on Andrew, plus the payoffs, to force him to be seen with him if he had the sense to resist.
We are in for a real treat when Shauna does a review and comparison of Our King vs Rebel Prince👌🥰 I was surprised to hear Tom Bower say that he was extremely hard on Charles but that he felt Charles had learned lessons and had changed 😮
Excellent work Shauna! Andrew's puffed up self importance meant he thought he'd be safe to put his head above the parapet to downplay his relationship with Epstein whereas it just magnified the scrutiny/disbelief a hundredfold! 😂
My suspicious mind always wonders about "co-incidences" and degrees of separation. There is speculation about MM knowing Andrew in the time before Haz. The dinner party with Andrew and Epstein included Katie Couric. MM invited Katie Couric to be on the SXSW panel... (a strange group of women to put together))
You're the Context Clue Detective! Gleaning the best information that's all out there in the open. Btw its been said that Andrew *had* to go see Epstein in person because Fergie had borrowed money from Epstein several years earlier and she was unable to pay it back and so he went to see him in order to have a conversation begging him to absolve her debt.
This comment is the one that makes the most sense. We all know the Yorks owed Epstein and phones can be tapped. He would have stayed with him because Andrew is well known for considering himself 'hard up' and abusing his privileges. I can't say whether he DID anything once there. Personally I think a lot of people DO HORRIBLE THINGS but Epstein was one of the few who 'got caught'.🤢
I agree, he was protecting Fergie yet again. Virginia Guiffre/Roberts has repeatedly lied and changed her story. I believe that Andrew was told that the only way Epstein would absolve Fergie's debt was if Andy showed up and stayed thus giving Epstein 'Royal' approval. The Queen was terminally ill when the lawsuit started and was already dealing with Meg and Haz trouble. People settle lawsuits for many reasons and not always because they are guilty, often it is because, for whatever reasons, they don't want the hassle of the publicity and stress a lawsuit would cause. Andrew is meant to be a loving son and which loving child would put their dying parent through that stress. Epstein had links to many rich and powerful people and also to the 3 initial agencies. Many things can be used as blackmail material. In the UK a young woman who was groomed and ab'd by a gang has been jailed alongside the gang because she did exactly what Virginia has admitted to - introducing other young girls to the group so they were ab'd as well. In fact the British press treated her and her family far worse than the gang members and many members of the public seemed to have zero sympathy for her and most of the vitriol on SM was directed at her not the gang. Yet the same people are likely to be far more sympathetic towards Virginia and pour vitriol on Andrew....(.because he has privilege and class envy is real) even though even if he did do what Virginia accused him of he broke no laws due to her age (16 here in the UK) and many young women have taken a chance that they could turn the head of an older, powerful man. Plus the only 'proof' that they ever met is a photo which may or may not have been altered which, considering she has admitted to being wrong (lying) and altering her story, should not be 'proof' of anything. I believe that Epstein was a very bad person who used others to make himself powerful. Andrew is many things, spoilt, arrogant, obnoxious etc but I don't believe that he is a 'ped---le' . I don't believe that his security would allow him to do something that stupid. I do find it very strange that the only person in prison in the US over this is Ghislaine (tellingly not a US citizen) when many people were known to be 'friends' of Epstein. The only US citizen that the US media seem to be willing to connect to Epstein is Trump even though it is well documented that he only ever met Epstein when he attended events that Trump was at and that Trump banned him from Mar-el-Largo when he became aware that Epstein proclivities were questionable. Nothing is ever said about the many powerful people who are known to have travelled, on Epstein's plane, to his island.
I don't know whether the allegations were true or not. But Andrew's big mistake was denying the photograph early on, when it first appeared. If he had said yes, I was at that house a few times due to my friendship with Ms Maxwell but I don't remember this specific incident, he would have seemed open and honest. Everything else he could deny, and being intelligent enough to NOT do an interview, would not have landed in the mess he ended up in.
I Shauna...I happened to research this episode and something you said put a light bulb on in my head. You mentioned that Andrew looked like he was pleading his case. That was such an interesting comment. Another RUclipsr , and I cannot recall who it was said it...when i do i will let you know.Andrew went to see JE to Do exactly that. Andrew went to get FERGIE of the hook for the $2,000,000 bucks she owed JE. I haven't heard it mentioned again but I found this very interesting. Just thought I would mention it.
Interesting! I figured JE had something on him he didn’t want made public (because it is alleged he was blackmailing many) however I guess the Fergie thing might be it…I guess we’ll never know! 😊
Plus, Andrew kept saying that Maxwell was his friend and she brought Epstein along as a plus 1. If that's the case, would Andrew not have gone to NY to tell Maxwell they could no longer be friends?
I think it was about money. Both he and Sarah had borrowed money from the guy, I think Jeffrey was calling it in. I have always felt that Andrew got mixed up with some very corrupt and powerful men in the US and he became the scapegoat. Jeffrey had the goods on him and Sarah and they would call it in. I think to get to the bottom, then Sarah should really be questioned about her association and the girls, they also benefited financially from what I have heard. I think regarding the security officers, he probably dismissed them and probably told them that Jeffrey had security, otherwise I cannot think why they have not come forward or been questioned. I personally feel, Andrew was over his head dealing with that Sleaze and the sleaze was calling in a favour for him to be there.
If I hadn't seen someone for a few years and heard this sort of news I wouldn't be visiting him, end of. Probably wouldn't be any contact! Unless there's things one needs reassurance on!!!??? IMO.
I said the same thing last year Shauna. If a friend of mine did this type of thing, they wouldn't see me for dust, let alone meeting with them to explain why I couldn't be friends anymore, (as if a explanation was needed 😏) especially in a park for all the world to see. So yes, dodgy as all get out 🤦🏼♀️🤨
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I think they had his videos and were/are blackmailing him. I am 99% sure Epstins blackmail him and he had go there. Andrew is too arrogant to acknowledge he made mistake in front of us peasants.
Andrews nic name explains what he is, fergie was the right wife for him as she was the same, both of them are the original scam artists now we have haz and megs doing the same
You have read so many 📚 about the Royal Family and it is amazing how much the books have revealed when you can see all the information vs just one book. Don't you wish it was just written in one book, vs having to piece the information together from so many... it's like a puzzle, and very interesting.
But to be fair, she was rearing her children the way she had been shown love and attention. It was Prince Philip who ruled that family and in many ways was heavy handed (in judgments of today) to ‘make men of his sons’. Very likely HMTQ went the opposite way with Andrew & Edward, yet Edward is a lovely example of duty and loyalty. Andrew is still a spoiled man baby like his nephew. In the end, temperament is only influenced, the rest is a crapshoot.
The Royal Grift has some good analytical stuff on the relationship between Andrew and Epstein. As an Australian I'm sure you will be interested (as was I), to learn the picture of Andrew taken in the door way of Epstein's house waving good bye to a young woman , was that the young woman was Paul Keatings daughter (our Ex PM).
@@thevintageread I agree. i find both your channels very informative (and the most 'info/educational'. I like to be prompted to do my own research as well (from both channels). I just can't bring myself to read SPARE though.. although i must admit i've been thinking perhaps I should buy it just from a psychoanalytical perspective. I swear they both have some fairly complex MH issues.
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There is a great video on this on you tube. PAs Royal protection officer at BP explains a lot. I don't think you will be confused anymore. In the thumbnail his face is on the right side and I think he had a buzz cut. I really hope you see this.
Because there was (r?) money stored. Pnama Papers etc. Or needed ...and he thought the wind layed down. And the cutting corners where tempting again becausethat was what he did alk his life. Profit from opportunities. He never build something. He got off on being shady. His personality could not bare not being allured by the bad boys tbat run the show. (as many) but he was easy to grease. No need to twist his arm. Responsabilitie & accountability not present. No body home, only ego. No compass to sail. Values and morals no North. And an attitude. Spair issues one might presume. We have a recent fresh car crash to compaire. It is not perse the heir..Anne is a jewel. Totally the backbone of essemtial support and with a deep understanding and such grace. I will never forget her curtsey when 'her mother the Queen' left Balmoral. She was the paragon of béing royal. That was her ultimate way of seeing her mother the Queen off. They were one person to her. Sheer beauty for us to witness in tbat moment.
This is what happens when rich children are "raised by nannies". Did his parents even try to instill their Christian values? Pampered, spoiled, no street sense (or common sense) at all.
King Charles, princess Anne and prince Edward were also raised by nannies. Yet they didn't turn out the same. Prince William and prince Harry were raised by a nanny too after the divorce of their parents. And look at the difference between those two. It's not always the parents and the nannies. Sometimes it's the person themselves. Not every person raised by god-fearing parents end up adhering to their faith. Many psychopaths and sociopaths have god-fearing parents.
@@DutchJoan Andrew and Harry are both the babies of the family, so perhaps extra pampered. I don't personally know any psychopaths, or parents of psychopaths, and even if I did, how would I know what happened inside the home? I don't believe a baby is born to be a psychopath. Something triggered their behavior,
@@sandrab2589 that just buch of bullshit spread by midea. They also said that Harry was Queen's favorite. Midea likes to make controversial princes to be monarch's favorite but that's not true. By all accounts Queen was more close to Edward and Anne than Charles and Andrew. Queen was also more close to William than Harry. Queen's favorite was Edward and she has spend more time with Edward's family then any of her children.
Did it occur to you that Prince Andrew may not have believed that Epstein was guilty despite the conviction. Tina Brown is not someone I would be quoting ie her comment about Prince George. I do believe that Emily lost much of her journalistic integrity with that interview, which is supported by the book she wrote, as well as the disagreement she has since had with the other journalist who worked with her on that interview.
It occurred to me for a while that Andrew may have been so naive, but then i find that he has a number of questionable associations.. Once is perceived to be an accident (Saville), twice is stupid (Gleed), third is deliberate (Epstein). What i do wonder though is if Epstein entrapped his high profile visitors and because he took videos he was blackmailing them.
I based this video on viewing the original interview myself. His story doesn’t convince me because of that Dinner Party & knowing the art work that has been documented in that townhouse, there is no way he should have stayed there. He would have known at that point. Even if he was innocent he would have enough information to know Epstein was guilty. IMO ❤
I do remember who mentioned that Andrew trying to get Fergie off the hook.....it was Lady C. Her sources are impeccable so I tend to believe what she reveals on her channel. People forget Fergie was involved with JE too.
Yes! Although I have found her to be very positive about Prince Andrew and she is good buddies with Lady Victoria Hervey…but everyone has there only own view 😊🤗
I’ve always wondered what ex-prime minister’s daughter miss Keating was doing at je’s house when Andrew was there at the front door. Wonder what her story is?
"Diplomatic" and "polite" are not two words I would ever apply to PA. And, for a moment, let us just ignore the whole vulgar and vile situation. I would **never** have applied "diplomatic" and "polite" to PA. However, "vulgar" is definitely a word I **would,** at any time, have applied to him.
I'm sure Andrew's security detail did not find Epstein's mansion 'convenient' and were told off by Andrew if any suggestion was made to stay elsewhere. It's also interesting that Epstein status changes from being a dear friend that he could not break up with over the phone, to someone who was just his friend (Gislaine's) plus one.
Katie had a weird relationship with partner Matt and put up with a lot til bitter end. It’s weird anyone was there as a journalist b/c nine of it hit the fan til a few years later when that prosecutor who let him off was elevated to White House that questions kept being asked at press conferences and met with strange answers. They quickly got rid of this guy,(roughly 2017). Then JE’s life blew up. He was so confident about his secure life that he was right in US. Never getting the full picture. At least Woody was cleared and no evidence found by Yale child psych. So there might be others, but not that 1 kid. He might well have such leanings but actress wife put up with him and tried to have control over his undoing.
Remember well...who filmed that NY Estein house door video and park walk? The media? The services? And why? What did they know. Who gave thém the orders to do so? And what happenend with all the tapes and disk and hard drives. With the blackmail material? Where is the accountability for that. They know if Verg. Duifree speaks the truth. Crazy tgat that is nit out. And so will happen with the 'Diddley stuff'.
Randy Andy was his nickname before he married Fergie. Charlie boy had a very good friend (Mr J Saville) I do wonder what else we don't know about the RF.
Andrew said he didn't know why everyone was upset about epstein as he'd spent far more time with Jimmy Saville. Additionally, every nurse, caseworker, social worker and members of the bbc all knew what Jimmy Saville was doing.
Hold on a minute, just because they didn't see each other doesn't mean that they didn't email text or speak on the phone. So it makes perfect sense that Andrew feels he needs to explain to Jeffrey why he's completely cutting off all contact with him. Yes, it was an ilconceived idea, but understandable.
I'm late to this but...if Stephanopoulos & Couric were there as journalists, where was their reporting? What did they EVER uncover & broadcast or print? I think maybe you've cut them undeserved slack
I was conveying what Tina Brown said about their presence…In her book she said they were there in a professional capacity. They only attended a dinner and I have no idea if they did a piece on it, so I didn’t give a personal opinion.
Hello all ❤ we all know why Andrew was there and the many many other people that were there ,,,it was a free for all ,,having a great time wink wink you know what I mean imo 😉
@@thevintageread To clarify, the hypocrisy I'm talking about is the "pass" that some prominent men are getting for their extremely close relationship with JE--even after he "paid his debt to society"--and I say this advisedly because that deal he was able to negotiate was unbelievably lenient for what it is reported that he did, but that is a different discussion. And what about other RF members that have had VERY close friendships with reportedly horrible people such as Jimmy Saville. However, Andrew's life has been ruined by all of this --but nobody else's life has been. But I digress. It is scary that someone can make an unsubstantiated accusation and that everyone believes it. I am not trying to get into a slanging match here and I am not British and don't have a horse in this race, so to speak. But I, and many others, are perplexed at why Prince Andrew seems to be the scapegoat for for all of this --the facts of the accuser's character, proven lies, admitted perjury and that her story has changed several times, not withstanding. And, where were her parents? But, again, that is a different discussion. The interview was, of course, ill advised but I have noticed that almost no decisions are made by royal family members that are not decided on "in committee". Other family members and advisers weigh in. M and H seem to be the only exceptions to this. However, immediately after that interview, it was reported that many people didn't actually think it was that bad. In fact I remember one person saying that A sounded like they all sound (the late Queen's children)--spoiled, entitled, pompous and very aware of their position as children of the monarch. It wasn't until the news media started saying that it was a "car crash" interview that the general public started thinking it was. I find that very interesting. It kind of proves the power of the media. Over the years different royal family members have been disliked and unpopular--I remember when Princess Anne and Prince Edward were extremely unpopular and really disliked by the public. Now they are hailed as saviors of the monarchy. And Charles and Camilla--the fact that they have been rehabilitated is truly remarkable. As someone who was recently exonerated from the same accusations, by the same person, as Andrew's once said when asked about Andrew -- "I don't know if he did it or not, I wasn't there, but I do know that she is a liar and a perjurer and that she belongs in jail." I think, like all of his siblings, Andrew is naive and was spoiled. I am very surprised that he wasn't protected. At any rate, just my opinion. I thought that these RUclips channels were forums for debate.
Good grief, this self-righteous holier than thou diatribe you're going on is insufferable. You're going on and on assuming, criticizing and judging the situation by how YOU feel about it and how YOU think he should feel about it. Was it a bad decision to have stayed at Epstein's house? Yes. Did his security detail fall down on the job by not seeing the photographer in the park? Not necessarily. I know Central Park well and saw the photos, and given the topography and where the photos were taken from, it would have been easy for them to not have seen them. A telephoto lens was used, so the photographer could have easily been a considerable distance away. Central Park is not the flat open space you're imagining it is. I'm no fan of Jeffrey Epstein by any stretch of the imagination and I genuinely believe Virginia was in it solely for the money. It was blackmail, pure and simple. After the hundreds, if not, thousands of men, she'd been sleeping with since she was 15, by her own admission, Andrew is the only one she chooses to go after? You don't find that even slightly suspicious? She shrewdly calculated the royal family would cave, and that's exactly what happened. The press gleefully whips this up to be an admission of guilt, which it was not. And now this man's life is ruined because some greedy little extortionist tramp pulled off a multimillion dollar con job. Was he guilty of extremely poor judgement? Absolutely. But I doubt his judgement was so poor that he would have remained friends with Epstein if he knew what was really going on. Do you seriously think Epstein went around bragging about what he was really up to? He had many high profile friends and acquaintances who would have run for the hills if they'd suspected what was really going on, that it's extremely doubtful he ever let it on to anyone. One last thing: Judge not lest ye be judged" is something you should take more to heart. As should: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I'm not a religious person at all, but I did learn those things when I was very very young and they stand the test of time.
Well you have been able to express your opinion and that’s all I was doing. A few points you made are incorrect. 1: I made it very clear that I wasn’t even referring to the Roberts photo or case. 2: I did not even care if his security saw the photographer my point mentioning that was only to prove that his security was with him on the 4 day stay. 3: His defence for not seeing underage girls with Epstein was “there were so many people…like a railway station” My point was if that was true his security wouldn’t have let him stay. My focus were on his actions unrelated to Virginia Roberts. For the record Epstein had been CONVICTED so yes he did choose to make that visit after he was released from prison and I do not believe that is excusable. I would hold myself and anyone I know to that standard and I was expressing that in my channel. You can create a channel and defend Prince Andrew and I respect your right to do so. Finally you judged Virginia Roberts very harshly so it makes your last paragraph ridiculous.
Andrew DID stay in touch with him - there was a vanity fair article outlining Epstein years ago and Andrew was in a pic in the story and he continued to be in contact with him
Great analysis. Royals are reared in a very "unreal" environment and some never really catch on to normal behavior and mores outside their very small, protected walls. I believe both Andrew and Harry really never adjusted to real life, also evidenced in their strong military connection (a way of life where everything is thought-out for oneself, no insights needed). Their sense of "right and wrong" is just incomplete and self-centered, never understanding the concept of victims or the impact of their behavior on others. It's really living half a life.
Very interesting insight 👍, but H was brought up the same as William and had less insular lives than the previous generation eg, Andrew and Charles. Thoughts? 😊🤔
@@leandabee I believe it's about their personalities and psychological makeups, and not generational differences. It always comes down to the process of self-realization and actualization. I believe William self-actualized, even if as difficult for him--but he made it. Odd, both Harry and Andrew are both the "spares" which means they may have had (and Harry still has) an erroneous notion that he's not good enough, thus low self-esteem. Insecurity has caused them to value external regimentation. Life is easier for them that way.
While I think Royals need a great deal of socialization outside their own ‘bubble’. Harry and Andrew are both arrogant, self entitled, selfish ‘men’.
Human nature needs boundaries and consequences for going beyond those boundaries. Something Royals not only rise above that, they have PR in place to hype anything they do. They are both shocked to find out the public views them almost the opposite of how they see themselves.
You nailed it with this comment! Both Andrew and Harry have a huge sense of 'Self Worth' & 'Entitlement' whereas I don't get the impression that Charles or William have these negative attributes & are much more 'of the people'.
@@voices_varyAnn does fine. It is the person self of the two dimwhits.
After SCOOP
Hi Shauna, Thanks, again for this one. I never made it, watching the Andrew interview, when it was broadcast…I’ve never cottoned to Andrew. There was something …off? about him. Even when he was a young man. I’ve no idea why, I’m not interested enough to examine it. About 20 minutes into the original interview, I’d had enough. Guess what!! The same thing happened with “Scoop” only I stuck with it because I like the actress, Billie Piper, I think I spelled that correctly.
A few weeks ago, there was build up to a new list of names being released. Friends of Jeffrey. And, the media dropped it. Was that list made public? I’m sure Slick Willie (aka Bill Clinton) was listed, at least, he should have been listed. But….it’s like that part of the story died, innit??
As an American I am STILL waiting on all those American leaders that are hiding while Prince Andrew is railroaded
ME TOO.
Mr clinton, mr gates and on and on.. Meghan being a yaght girl has met all that explains her absolute convindence to having these influence rich men, who s sevrets she knows,.....
ABSOLUTELY! Especially the three Bill"s
I was really hoping this wasn't going to be another Prince Andrew bashing video. The hypocrisy needs to stop.
I’ve often thought that , we’re they just there for the food and drink?
Another point to be made is about the decor at the New York mansion - we now know that the place was entirely decorated with NSFW, tasteless photos and paintings, some of it of Jeffrey and Maxwell themselves - and in the public spaces, including in the entry hall and in the staircases, where no-one could pretend they hadn't seen it.
So fascinating Shauna! You always bring out so many interesting details, without being sensational, which gives the listener the push to think about what you are saying in an intellectual way instead of irrational emotional way! Always feel like I get the facts and can make up my own mind! Great job!
I appreciate that! Thank you 😊
The late queen did well to force Andrew to settle and to strip him of his honorary patronages. And seeing how much Harry is like his uncle, I understand the efforts of the RF to make sure Harry had a purpose in life. (Unfortunately, along came the spider.) But as for Andrew, he can never come back as a working royal. And he really tainted his daughters' possibility to become working royals. I now understand why princess Beatrice hasn't already.
I cannot fathom why any discussion would be out in the open unless they thought the house was bugged or they wanted to be seen. Surely Andrew is not that naive to think no one would see them. Maybe he wanted to be photographed stupidly showing his support. Unfortunately the Yorks should have been more careful about who they mixed with in their position. Plus Sarah became indebted to Epstein when he paid off monies owed to an ex-employee. One thing I can’t understand, where were the palace watchdogs or MI5. Surely there is someone keeping tabs and advising the Royals on who and who not to mix with! What’s sad is how these young girls get in this situation - where are their family and friends?
My theory is that Epstein was trying to use his association with Andrew (and others) for protection from further prosecution. JE set up the photograph, and he had enough material on Andrew, plus the payoffs, to force him to be seen with him if he had the sense to resist.
We are in for a real treat when Shauna does a review and comparison of Our King vs Rebel Prince👌🥰
I was surprised to hear Tom Bower say that he was extremely hard on Charles but that he felt Charles had learned lessons and had changed 😮
Yes I heard that too…
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I was so going to message you and didn’t so I’m pleased you saw it
I just laughed and shook my head !
Allegedly, his book " REVENGE" that includes a story about "DORIA" is going to be out there in USA...
I am just loving catching up on all your content!
Excellent work Shauna! Andrew's puffed up self importance meant he thought he'd be safe to put his head above the parapet to downplay his relationship with Epstein whereas it just magnified the scrutiny/disbelief a hundredfold! 😂
As always, you get to the nitty gritty for us. How hard it must be to relive all this yucky, mucky stuff....
My suspicious mind always wonders about "co-incidences" and degrees of separation. There is speculation about MM knowing Andrew in the time before Haz. The dinner party with Andrew and Epstein included Katie Couric. MM invited Katie Couric to be on the SXSW panel... (a strange group of women to put together))
You're the Context Clue Detective! Gleaning the best information that's all out there in the open. Btw its been said that Andrew *had* to go see Epstein in person because Fergie had borrowed money from Epstein several years earlier and she was unable to pay it back and so he went to see him in order to have a conversation begging him to absolve her debt.
This comment is the one that makes the most sense. We all know the Yorks owed Epstein and phones can be tapped. He would have stayed with him because Andrew is well known for considering himself 'hard up' and abusing his privileges. I can't say whether he DID anything once there. Personally I think a lot of people DO HORRIBLE THINGS but Epstein was one of the few who 'got caught'.🤢
I agree, he was protecting Fergie yet again. Virginia Guiffre/Roberts has repeatedly lied and changed her story. I believe that Andrew was told that the only way Epstein would absolve Fergie's debt was if Andy showed up and stayed thus giving Epstein 'Royal' approval. The Queen was terminally ill when the lawsuit started and was already dealing with Meg and Haz trouble. People settle lawsuits for many reasons and not always because they are guilty, often it is because, for whatever reasons, they don't want the hassle of the publicity and stress a lawsuit would cause. Andrew is meant to be a loving son and which loving child would put their dying parent through that stress.
Epstein had links to many rich and powerful people and also to the 3 initial agencies. Many things can be used as blackmail material.
In the UK a young woman who was groomed and ab'd by a gang has been jailed alongside the gang because she did exactly what Virginia has admitted to - introducing other young girls to the group so they were ab'd as well. In fact the British press treated her and her family far worse than the gang members and many members of the public seemed to have zero sympathy for her and most of the vitriol on SM was directed at her not the gang. Yet the same people are likely to be far more sympathetic towards Virginia and pour vitriol on Andrew....(.because he has privilege and class envy is real) even though even if he did do what Virginia accused him of he broke no laws due to her age (16 here in the UK) and many young women have taken a chance that they could turn the head of an older, powerful man. Plus the only 'proof' that they ever met is a photo which may or may not have been altered which, considering she has admitted to being wrong (lying) and altering her story, should not be 'proof' of anything.
I believe that Epstein was a very bad person who used others to make himself powerful. Andrew is many things, spoilt, arrogant, obnoxious etc but I don't believe that he is a 'ped---le' . I don't believe that his security would allow him to do something that stupid. I do find it very strange that the only person in prison in the US over this is Ghislaine (tellingly not a US citizen) when many people were known to be 'friends' of Epstein. The only US citizen that the US media seem to be willing to connect to Epstein is Trump even though it is well documented that he only ever met Epstein when he attended events that Trump was at and that Trump banned him from Mar-el-Largo when he became aware that Epstein proclivities were questionable. Nothing is ever said about the many powerful people who are known to have travelled, on Epstein's plane, to his island.
I don't know whether the allegations were true or not. But Andrew's big mistake was denying the photograph early on, when it first appeared. If he had said yes, I was at that house a few times due to my friendship with Ms Maxwell but I don't remember this specific incident, he would have seemed open and honest. Everything else he could deny, and being intelligent enough to NOT do an interview, would not have landed in the mess he ended up in.
I Shauna...I happened to research this episode and something you said put a light bulb on in my head. You mentioned that Andrew looked like he was pleading his case. That was such an interesting comment. Another RUclipsr , and I cannot recall who it was said it...when i do i will let you know.Andrew went to see JE to Do exactly that. Andrew went to get FERGIE of the hook for the $2,000,000 bucks she owed JE. I haven't heard it mentioned again but I found this very interesting. Just thought I would mention it.
Interesting! I figured JE had something on him he didn’t want made public (because it is alleged he was blackmailing many) however I guess the Fergie thing might be it…I guess we’ll never know! 😊
@@thevintageread maybe not, but there are always those who know and....may talk down the road. 🎈
Plus, Andrew kept saying that Maxwell was his friend and she brought Epstein along as a plus 1. If that's the case, would Andrew not have gone to NY to tell Maxwell they could no longer be friends?
🐨🇦🇺.Hi Shauna, Wow Andrew makes me feel green🤢🤮what the hell 😳. That was great 👍 👌 👏. ❤.
I think it was about money. Both he and Sarah had borrowed money from the guy, I think Jeffrey was calling it in. I have always felt that Andrew got mixed up with some very corrupt and powerful men in the US and he became the scapegoat. Jeffrey had the goods on him and Sarah and they would call it in. I think to get to the bottom, then Sarah should really be questioned about her association and the girls, they also benefited financially from what I have heard. I think regarding the security officers, he probably dismissed them and probably told them that Jeffrey had security, otherwise I cannot think why they have not come forward or been questioned. I personally feel, Andrew was over his head dealing with that Sleaze and the sleaze was calling in a favour for him to be there.
If I hadn't seen someone for a few years and heard this sort of news I wouldn't be visiting him, end of. Probably wouldn't be any contact! Unless there's things one needs reassurance on!!!??? IMO.
I said the same thing last year Shauna. If a friend of mine did this type of thing, they wouldn't see me for dust, let alone meeting with them to explain why I couldn't be friends anymore, (as if a explanation was needed 😏) especially in a park for all the world to see. So yes, dodgy as all get out 🤦🏼♀️🤨
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I think they had his videos and were/are blackmailing him.
I am 99% sure Epstins blackmail him and he had go there.
Andrew is too arrogant to acknowledge he made mistake in front of us peasants.
Andrews nic name explains what he is, fergie was the right wife for him as she was the same, both of them are the original scam artists now we have haz and megs doing the same
You make a very good point. His security team should have been interviewed.
😅Whaaaat?! And admit they were also having their feet massaged😂
You’re brilliant! keep up your excellent assessments and love your sense of humour..😃
Thank you! Will do!
You have read so many 📚 about the Royal Family and it is amazing how much the books have revealed when you can see all the information vs just one book.
Don't you wish it was just written in one book, vs having to piece the information together from so many...
it's like a puzzle, and very interesting.
The late Queen Elizabeth was a long distance mother, u like Princess Catherine who keeps her children close.
But to be fair, she was rearing her children the way she had been shown love and attention. It was Prince Philip who ruled that family and in many ways was heavy handed (in judgments of today) to ‘make men of his sons’. Very likely HMTQ went the opposite way with Andrew & Edward, yet Edward is a lovely example of duty and loyalty. Andrew is still a spoiled man baby like his nephew. In the end, temperament is only influenced, the rest is a crapshoot.
The Royal Grift has some good analytical stuff on the relationship between Andrew and Epstein. As an Australian I'm sure you will be interested (as was I), to learn the picture of Andrew taken in the door way of Epstein's house waving good bye to a young woman , was that the young woman was Paul Keatings daughter (our Ex PM).
I try not to watch other channels as I want to go on the journey via my own research. I like her channel and think she is very smart.
@@thevintageread I agree. i find both your channels very informative (and the most 'info/educational'. I like to be prompted to do my own research as well (from both channels). I just can't bring myself to read SPARE though.. although i must admit i've been thinking perhaps I should buy it just from a psychoanalytical perspective. I swear they both have some fairly complex MH issues.
@@thevintagereadHello 👋 your comment is incredible, it's a wonderful day to meet someone special like you. it's indeed a pleasure meeting you, I Would appreciate it if you consider me as a friend 😊
There is a great video on this on you tube. PAs Royal protection officer at BP explains a lot. I don't think you will be confused anymore. In the thumbnail his face is on the right side and I think he had a buzz cut. I really hope you see this.
Because there was (r?) money stored. Pnama Papers etc. Or needed ...and he thought the wind layed down. And the cutting corners where tempting again becausethat was what he did alk his life. Profit from opportunities.
He never build something.
He got off on being shady.
His personality could not bare not being allured by the bad boys tbat run the show. (as many) but he was easy to grease. No need to twist his arm. Responsabilitie &
accountability not present.
No body home, only ego.
No compass to sail. Values and morals no North.
And an attitude. Spair issues one might presume. We have a recent fresh car crash to compaire.
It is not perse the heir..Anne is a jewel. Totally the backbone of essemtial support and with a deep understanding and such grace.
I will never forget her curtsey when 'her mother the Queen' left Balmoral.
She was the paragon of béing royal. That was her ultimate way of seeing her mother the Queen off. They were one person to her. Sheer beauty for us to witness in tbat moment.
Katherine Keating (ex-Australian PM’s daughter) has been (allegedly) named as leaving the place with Andrew slowly closing the door behind her.
This is what happens when rich children are "raised by nannies". Did his parents even try to instill their Christian values? Pampered, spoiled, no street sense (or common sense) at all.
King Charles, princess Anne and prince Edward were also raised by nannies. Yet they didn't turn out the same. Prince William and prince Harry were raised by a nanny too after the divorce of their parents. And look at the difference between those two.
It's not always the parents and the nannies. Sometimes it's the person themselves. Not every person raised by god-fearing parents end up adhering to their faith. Many psychopaths and sociopaths have god-fearing parents.
@@DutchJoan Andrew and Harry are both the babies of the family, so perhaps extra pampered. I don't personally know any psychopaths, or parents of psychopaths, and even if I did, how would I know what happened inside the home? I don't believe a baby is born to be a psychopath. Something triggered their behavior,
@@sandrab2589 Andrew is not the baby of the family; Edward is.
@@LynxSouth You are correct, I stand corrected. I was lead to believe that Andrew was the Queen's "favorite".
@@sandrab2589 that just buch of bullshit spread by midea.
They also said that Harry was Queen's favorite.
Midea likes to make controversial princes to be monarch's favorite but that's not true.
By all accounts Queen was more close to Edward and Anne than Charles and Andrew.
Queen was also more close to William than Harry.
Queen's favorite was Edward and she has spend more time with Edward's family then any of her children.
I sincerely liked ur reaction. I am glad u left it in. It gives it a human and personal touch!
Did it occur to you that Prince Andrew may not have believed that Epstein was guilty despite the conviction. Tina Brown is not someone I would be quoting ie her comment about Prince George. I do believe that Emily lost much of her journalistic integrity with that interview, which is supported by the book she wrote, as well as the disagreement she has since had with the other journalist who worked with her on that interview.
It occurred to me for a while that Andrew may have been so naive, but then i find that he has a number of questionable associations.. Once is perceived to be an accident (Saville), twice is stupid (Gleed), third is deliberate (Epstein). What i do wonder though is if Epstein entrapped his high profile visitors and because he took videos he was blackmailing them.
I based this video on viewing the original interview myself. His story doesn’t convince me because of that Dinner Party & knowing the art work that has been documented in that townhouse, there is no way he should have stayed there. He would have known at that point. Even if he was innocent he would have enough information to know Epstein was guilty. IMO ❤
Love this ❤🎉
I do remember who mentioned that Andrew trying to get Fergie off the hook.....it was Lady C. Her sources are impeccable so I tend to believe what she reveals on her channel. People forget Fergie was involved with JE too.
Yes! Although I have found her to be very positive about Prince Andrew and she is good buddies with Lady Victoria Hervey…but everyone has there only own view 😊🤗
@@thevintageread absolutely they do. I have my own view of Andrew that differs from Lady Cs in a few aspects.
Guilty by association comes to mind.
I’ve always wondered what ex-prime minister’s daughter miss Keating was doing at je’s house when Andrew was there at the front door. Wonder what her story is?
It appears she became friends with Princess Eugenie and had ties to Peggy Segal.
Good detective work columbo... 'just one more thing sir'.......
😂👏 (favourite show growing up!)
"Diplomatic" and "polite" are not two words I would ever apply to PA. And, for a moment, let us just ignore the whole vulgar and vile situation. I would **never** have applied "diplomatic" and "polite" to PA. However, "vulgar" is definitely a word I **would,** at any time, have applied to him.
I think Sarah owed JP millions the walk in the park was to prevent the conversation being overheard
Yes a few have said that…probably safer to send Sarah! 😂
Cannot wait! 😊
Brilliant!
I'm sure Andrew's security detail did not find Epstein's mansion 'convenient' and were told off by Andrew if any suggestion was made to stay elsewhere.
It's also interesting that Epstein status changes from being a dear friend that he could not break up with over the phone, to someone who was just his friend (Gislaine's) plus one.
It has been brought up before...
I don’t think Anything would’ve shut Andrew up.😂😂😂
Id say Prince Andrew was served up because someone had to be. I would like to know all the Hollywood people involved in this.
You are brilliant!
Thanks 😊
Wow - interesting!
Katie had a weird relationship with partner Matt and put up with a lot til bitter end. It’s weird anyone was there as a journalist b/c nine of it hit the fan til a few years later when that prosecutor who let him off was elevated to White House that questions kept being asked at press conferences and met with strange answers. They quickly got rid of this guy,(roughly 2017). Then JE’s life blew up. He was so confident about his secure life that he was right in US. Never getting the full picture. At least Woody was cleared and no evidence found by Yale child psych. So there might be others, but not that 1 kid. He might well have such leanings but actress wife put up with him and tried to have control over his undoing.
Hi Shauna, interesting content once again …..really dodgy company and behaviour going on …..
Catie Couric why does she get a pass ? She didnt reveal what she saw imside either !
She doesn’t… but no-one has accused her of anything?
Remember well...who filmed that NY Estein house door video and park walk? The media? The services? And why? What did they know. Who gave thém the orders to do so?
And what happenend with all the tapes and disk and hard drives. With the blackmail material? Where is the accountability for that. They know if Verg. Duifree speaks the truth. Crazy tgat that is nit out.
And so will happen with the 'Diddley stuff'.
His security didn't care if he got caught or was killed or injured while he was there.
Randy Andy was his nickname before he married Fergie. Charlie boy had a very good friend (Mr J Saville) I do wonder what else we don't know about the RF.
To be fair everyone was friends with JS at that time and he didn’t go and stay with him for 4 days!
Andrew said he didn't know why everyone was upset about epstein as he'd spent far more time with Jimmy Saville.
Additionally, every nurse, caseworker, social worker and members of the bbc all knew what Jimmy Saville was doing.
Hold on a minute, just because they didn't see each other doesn't mean that they didn't email text or speak on the phone. So it makes perfect sense that Andrew feels he needs to explain to Jeffrey why he's completely cutting off all contact with him. Yes, it was an ilconceived idea, but understandable.
Apparently andrew wet under deck with meghan for three days??? Mmmmm
Several people reported this discrepancy in Andy's story.
Great! I found a lot of focus was on the photo rather than the little things…
Just a guess either Prince Andrew was being Blackmailed or someone he cares about is or was.
Seems likely…
How could A possibly be that stupid or was it a weakness. He deserves to lose that large "house" that he resides in.
I'm late to this but...if Stephanopoulos & Couric were there as journalists, where was their reporting? What did they EVER uncover & broadcast or print? I think maybe you've cut them undeserved slack
I was conveying what Tina Brown said about their presence…In her book she said they were there in a professional capacity. They only attended a dinner and I have no idea if they did a piece on it, so I didn’t give a personal opinion.
@@thevintageread My apologies! I misunderstood! Thank you for the correction!
Andrew wouldn't be able to pay for hotel, how many other important people are guilty but free imo strange
Andrew needed to finish his business with Jeffrey.
What about his two daughters ?
Hello all ❤ we all know why Andrew was there and the many many other people that were there ,,,it was a free for all ,,having a great time wink wink you know what I mean imo 😉
I was really hoping this wasn't going to be another Prince Andrew bashing video. The hypocrisy needs to stop.
Hypocrisy? It would only be hypocritical if I had visited him in NY… I never would!
@@thevintageread To clarify, the hypocrisy I'm talking about is the "pass" that some prominent men are getting for their extremely close relationship with JE--even after he "paid his debt to society"--and I say this advisedly because that deal he was able to negotiate was unbelievably lenient for what it is reported that he did, but that is a different discussion. And what about other RF members that have had VERY close friendships with reportedly horrible people such as Jimmy Saville. However, Andrew's life has been ruined by all of this --but nobody else's life has been. But I digress. It is scary that someone can make an unsubstantiated accusation and that everyone believes it. I am not trying to get into a slanging match here and I am not British and don't have a horse in this race, so to speak. But I, and many others, are perplexed at why Prince Andrew seems to be the scapegoat for for all of this --the facts of the accuser's character, proven lies, admitted perjury and that her story has changed several times, not withstanding. And, where were her parents? But, again, that is a different discussion. The interview was, of course, ill advised but I have noticed that almost no decisions are made by royal family members that are not decided on "in committee". Other family members and advisers weigh in. M and H seem to be the only exceptions to this. However, immediately after that interview, it was reported that many people didn't actually think it was that bad. In fact I remember one person saying that A sounded like they all sound (the late Queen's children)--spoiled, entitled, pompous and very aware of their position as children of the monarch. It wasn't until the news media started saying that it was a "car crash" interview that the general public started thinking it was. I find that very interesting. It kind of proves the power of the media.
Over the years different royal family members have been disliked and unpopular--I remember when Princess Anne and Prince Edward were extremely unpopular and really disliked by the public. Now they are hailed as saviors of the monarchy. And Charles and Camilla--the fact that they have been rehabilitated is truly remarkable.
As someone who was recently exonerated from the same accusations, by the same person, as Andrew's once said when asked about Andrew -- "I don't know if he
did it or not, I wasn't there, but I do know that she is a liar and a perjurer and that she belongs in jail." I think, like all of his siblings, Andrew is naive and was spoiled. I am very surprised that he wasn't protected. At any rate, just my opinion. I thought that these RUclips channels were forums for debate.
Thank you to the person who wrote the original post.
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Far,F ar to many assumptions Shauna. + BS!
Good grief, this self-righteous holier than thou diatribe you're going on is insufferable. You're going on and on assuming, criticizing and judging the situation by how YOU feel about it and how YOU think he should feel about it. Was it a bad decision to have stayed at Epstein's house? Yes. Did his security detail fall down on the job by not seeing the photographer in the park? Not necessarily. I know Central Park well and saw the photos, and given the topography and where the photos were taken from, it would have been easy for them to not have seen them. A telephoto lens was used, so the photographer could have easily been a considerable distance away. Central Park is not the flat open space you're imagining it is.
I'm no fan of Jeffrey Epstein by any stretch of the imagination and I genuinely believe Virginia was in it solely for the money. It was blackmail, pure and simple. After the hundreds, if not, thousands of men, she'd been sleeping with since she was 15, by her own admission, Andrew is the only one she chooses to go after? You don't find that even slightly suspicious? She shrewdly calculated the royal family would cave, and that's exactly what happened. The press gleefully whips this up to be an admission of guilt, which it was not. And now this man's life is ruined because some greedy little extortionist tramp pulled off a multimillion dollar con job.
Was he guilty of extremely poor judgement? Absolutely. But I doubt his judgement was so poor that he would have remained friends with Epstein if he knew what was really going on. Do you seriously think Epstein went around bragging about what he was really up to? He had many high profile friends and acquaintances who would have run for the hills if they'd suspected what was really going on, that it's extremely doubtful he ever let it on to anyone.
One last thing: Judge not lest ye be judged" is something you should take more to heart. As should: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." I'm not a religious person at all, but I did learn those things when I was very very young and they stand the test of time.
Well you have been able to express your opinion and that’s all I was doing. A few points you made are incorrect. 1: I made it very clear that I wasn’t even referring to the Roberts photo or case. 2: I did not even care if his security saw the photographer my point mentioning that was only to prove that his security was with him on the 4 day stay. 3: His defence for not seeing underage girls with Epstein was “there were so many people…like a railway station” My point was if that was true his security wouldn’t have let him stay. My focus were on his actions unrelated to Virginia Roberts. For the record Epstein had been CONVICTED so yes he did choose to make that visit after he was released from prison and I do not believe that is excusable. I would hold myself and anyone I know to that standard and I was expressing that in my channel. You can create a channel and defend Prince Andrew and I respect your right to do so. Finally you judged Virginia Roberts very harshly so it makes your last paragraph ridiculous.
Andrew DID stay in touch with him - there was a vanity fair article outlining Epstein years ago and Andrew was in a pic in the story and he continued to be in contact with him
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