My father was 101st Airborne Ranger. He was the first boots in and only 1 of 2 people in his platoon to make it out alive. The stories he told me had me awestruck every time. Action everyday and when you think about all the death on both sides, extremely sad. God bless them all. My father passed a few years ago after leading an amazing life. I've never met a better person, and I miss him dealer. God rest his soul.
I read a book on MACV SOG that had Jerry Shriver in it. On one mission the soldiers had his dog in the NCO club and force feed the dog beer. The dog got sick and shit on the floor and the men rubbed the dog nose in the shit. After finding out what happened he went into the NCO club chugged a beer and pulled out his revolver, then took a shit in the middle of the club and asked if anyone wanted to rub his nose in it. No one moved.
SOG was a hell of a program. Those 6 man recon teams were quite often getting bounced by dozens to hundreds of enemy at a time. It's amazing any of them survived (I believe 50 of them are still officially listed as MIA in Laos and Cambodia.) John Stryker Myer (former SOG) has some incredible books about them I read a few years ago and his podcast episodes with Jocko Willink are incredible.
@@richardovercast2258 Hell, it exceeded 100% as every member of SOG was wounded at least once (and half of them died.) They also had the highest kill ratio. Something along the lines of 160 to 1. Enough of those teams went missing that you can bet e few were captured as well, but none of those MIA were ever returned.
The multiple pistols thing used to be called a _"Brooklyn Reload",_ an old tactic of Mafia hitmen, where you would carry a bunch of cheap revolvers in a bag, then discard them as you emptied each one....I wouldn't carry that kind of rig in the field, but I can see someone thinking it to be a good idea.
The origin of that would go back to swashbuckling though. Pirates, privateers, scallywags. All of them if they were smart and able to, like the infamous Edward "Black Beard" Teach was, you'd wear several flint locks strapped to you because back in the day, it took a skilled shooter like 30 seconds to 2 minutes under extreme duress to reload a flint lock. It might not seem like too much, but be it 2 minutes or 30 seconds both are within that, "random sucker runs up and divorces your head from your body before you get the reload" window. It carried on to revolvers because reloading one at a time was a bit of a joke with older revolvers that didn't have the cylinders that popped out (as in you had to cycle the entire cylinder to each round, eject the spent casing and put a new one in out of the same loading/ejection hole.) But the point being is that it was practical at the beginning, it probably held some versatility during the mobster revolver days, but today it's kind of questionable. Even during that one scene in "Boondock Saints" where the dad's doing it, I kind of question how good it actually is with modern pistols.
Yes my Dad was Air Force and involved towards the end of Vietnam He's from Victoria Tx and Roy I believe was born in El Campo. My Dad heard the stories about him.
My cousin was Drafted into the US Army in late 1969 n came back a different man. He was captured by the Vietnamese but they were High on drugs n my cousin got to a chance to run from them into the jungle. He got away but took 1 week to find his group. He almost fell into one kof the Vietnamese traps that were deep holes in the ground n at the bottom there were many Spikes. The things he saw has caused his nightmares even up to now. I remember him telling me that when he was near the front he ran into a very young child ( he looked like 12) n he pointed his rifle at my cousin n my cousin had to kill him. He still can see that boys face. I could tell u many stories that he told me but many he could never tell anyone. 3:13
Back then, someone might have reported it as, "Florida man wrecks havoc in Vietnam." Today, we'd just say it how it is. "Florida man illegally imports Florida into Vietnam." 🤣🤣🤣
I'm a vietnam veteran, I know the Australian SAS were requested to instruct the yanks on jungle warfare at one stage .Australian AATTV were awarded five VC .Barry Petersen an Australian AATTV was known as the Tiger Man of Vietnam a book was written.He was a Malay campaign veteran was seconded to CIA He was sent up to the highlands and worked with the Montana's.
I loved that movie about Col Hal Moore , he’s a hometown hero in Bardstown , Kentucky . Those men were cut from a different cloth , very brave warriors.
Some of the guys from MAC V SOG have done podcast's and shared their stories and experiences. John Stryker Meyer, a prominent figure from SOG did a podcast with Jocko Willik, podcast 180. John also has his own podcast called SOGcast where he interviews other SOG guys and shares stories. You should definitely check them out in your free time, very well worth it.
He was good, but not the White Death levels. The atocitys done by regular soldiers towards the civilians was horrendious, war-crime levels. And still lost the Vietnam war.
for men like this their definition of "vibing" is getting shot at. this is where i draw distinction between the words "soldier" and "warrior" anyone can be a soldier. you can get drafted and be a soldier. but warriors are born. they are the individuals possessed by the spirit of war. obsessed with war. their ideal day of fun and relaxation is combat. the more entense the better. the kinda person that gets high anxiety and panic attacks from the prospect of sitting on the couch at home watching TV. or walking to the grocery store. but put them in the midst of a warzone, tell them who the enemy is and let them go. they are in their element. day in. day out. they will inflict casualties with great personal satisfaction.
The other advantage of using the enemy's AKs is that the distinctive sound is confusing to the enemy. Confusing to friendly's as well. Two edged sword that could definitely bite you on the ass!
The Vietnam War was a s**t show where politicians tied the hands of the military behind there backs with these stupid "rules of engagement" that prevented them from fighting the enemy and then sent them out to "fight" the enemy. As John Rambo put it in Rambo: First Blood; "Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me, huh? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!"
That breed of soldier you are talking about have a name: warriors, born for war and bred for war, fighting the enemy and partaking in warfare is their entire lives and the closest thing we have to a genetically-engineered human created artificially for specific tasks I agree you are right about the whole thing unfortunately, i think the only thing we can do for them is allow them to become mentors to the next generation of their kin and partake in the process as much as possible because in the end they cant really integrate society like your average human being does its just not who they are When a warrior grows too old to fight he can only teach and die
It's coming back to bite them now. Kinda...my dad and fellow vets are getting offers for cash payouts for that bs. It does not undo what was done though
Lt. Gen, Lewis "Chesty" Puller USMC, speaking to his troops on being surrounded in a battle, "Great. Now we can shoot those bastards from every direction." Shiver was essentially paraphrasing Chesty with his remark.
A buddy of mine scored high on the ASVAB and he could basically choose any job in the US Army but he requested 11B, grunt. they even tried to convince him of a different job but he said. "I only want 11 B" He went career, went Airborne and he's still serving today
I've meet a far number of former macv-sog guy's. They all said Shriver was the most violent and terrifying person they knew. They also said, on average, he himself carried as much firepower as an entire recon team.
In WWII U.S. Navy formed the U.D.T. Underwater, Demolition, Teams. These guy in a bathing suit Snorkel and a back pack would clear mines and other obstacles before the military could make beach assaults. These same guys group would eventually have a off shoot called the U.S. Navy Sea Air everything Land. They were invented to do classified missions. They eventually did add the tanks and rebreathers. B.U.D.s is just a starting point of training. Basically it is a flush point for those not willing to go all the way.
Shriver was less than three weeks away from finishing his third tour of duty. He was just 27 years old when he was officially listed as MIA (Missing In Action). He left behind Klaus, a little over a dollar in his account, and his prized smoking jacket which would hold a prominent place of honor in the camp’s club. The following inscription was displayed underneath the silk smoking jacket: “In Memory of Sergeant First Class Jerry M. Shriver Missing in Action 24 April 1969.”
The soldier you were thinking about was a commando during WW2,he was the first to shave his head into a Mohawk,also there was the OSS during WW2,aka Donovans Raiders.
If you have 6 pistols, you have 5 firing pins and barrels as backup for the first that jammed. Reloading takes longer than grabbing a second gun. You can fire in 2 directions at the same time allowing you to create suppressing fire, while also actually firing at your target. Also, if you can accurately hit a single spot with both barrels at the same time, it is something like 4 times as likely to break through their cover and kill the guy on the other side of an obstacle.
Gun fighters in the 'old west', packed 2 or even 3 guns, but NEVER used 2 at once. They couldn't aim both at the same time accurately. Maybe the green beret's, were "that good, lol".
My dad was on the 2nd ever SEAL team, the 1st stayed in the USA working out training and trying out new weapons and developing tactics. There was a guy on his team... this dude on their days off... he would go butt ass naked with a knife or manchette and leave the base only to return with a necklace of ears of all the guys he killed in hand to hand. He also used to leave with a BB gun... he would shot dudes until they lost their shit and charged him and then he would hack them to death. This dude had NO CHILL and loved killing the enemy. My dad was busted to private 6 times for behavior issues. Mostly beating up officers but the best one was the great big ass RIBs they rode down the river... yeah the whole team was swimming naked at the end of the pier on the Mekong River and my dad had a puppy.. a catfish came up and swallowed the puppy whole so they jumped out and dropped a whole case of grenades in the water and left to go get beer. About an hour later the MPs showed up and arrested my dad due to the fact that the exploding grenades and popped a seal in a 1.5M+ PT boat (1960s money) and it had sunk. He had multiple Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars and Silver Stars. Sadly his online military service seems to be gone. I am sad I never copied it to my computer. Donald F. Oden, 58, of Ferguson Road, passed away Sunday, July 1, 2007 RIP dad you were always my hero. He died of complications from his wounds in Vietnam, he was 100% disabled but never took a single dime from the government and worked as a Head Electrician for IMC a potash mining company in Carlsbad NM. Without Carlsbad NM the USA would have lost WW2 as it is required to make shells and explosives and at the time was the only industrial production in the USA,
I had a friend, who was more like a father to me, that was MACV-SOG in Vietnam. He did three tours, '66, '67, and '69 and came back with a lot of scars (physical and mental). He was training me to join the military during high school because I wanted to become Special Forces like him. He was the deadliest man I've ever met in my life. I have another friend who was a LRRP (Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol). They were both men you wanted on your side, not against you.
As soon as I heard MAC V SOG I knew he would be bad ass. Their missions were so dangerouse you had to sign a contract for 7 missions at a time. The unit is the only unit in US military history with a 100% casualty rate.
I would argue for Carlos Hathcock being the most feared man on the US side in Vietnam, 93 confirmed kills with an unofficial toll between 300 and 400 as a Marine sniper.
I was born in the 60's so I was a kid in the 70's. Those Viet Nam vets that came back were scary dudes. You'd see them walking around with thousand mile stares and you didn't dare mess with them.
I have listened to dozens of interviews of SOG guys. Two of them mention Shriver. One said that he had arrived new at some location and was assigned a room in a plywood barrack of some sort and was attempting to get some sleep, when he was woken by Shriver riding a motorcycle inside the building. Another guy said that he had encountered Mad Dog in the camp bar and Shriver had a monkey sitting on his shoulder and the monkey had defecated on his shirt. Shriver didn't seem to care. This guy intimated that he didn't like Jerry, because he considered him truly crazy.
A friend of mine was a total alcoholic/ drug abuser. And while extremely different in 87/88 he was given the choice of military or 5 years in prison. He chose the Marine Corp. After being clean and sober through basic, he never looked back. Retired after 30, and now lives in Montana. A little cattle ranch with 10 head. Still clean and sober.
I had a buddy , long range rekon who spent a lot of time in North Vietnam in one and two man hits ... usually gathering intel but also taking out high level vietco g and nva regulars . He had a hard time back home and told me he missed the hunt and killing.
In the early days the MAC SOG guys use either the AK 47s because it didn't sound like the M 16s, so it didn't attract unwanted attention. But also The Swedish K Sub Machine Gun, because of it's deniability. Behind enemy lines they would often wander into Laos or Cambodia chasing the enemy, so they didn't carry anything that would identify them as U.S Forces.
I'm a by-product of the Vietnam war. My grandpa was a Artillery Staff Sargent. Knocked up a girl there and had a baby mid war (my uncle), had another baby with her later after (my mom). Im 23% vietnamese, the rest is a small mix of a bunch of european counties like the baltic states, irish, scotish, german. Edit: my grandpa is still alive and kickin well enough for being in his 80's now. Gets out and walks everyday, goes on hiking trails. I made him a Great Grandpa.
My old man was 101st Airborne. Another man born for that life. Always said he accepted he was already dead by being there and getting out was his second chance to live. It never left him mentally though and physically the agent orange finally caught up damaging his heart valve until his end. RIP pops❤.
Yeah, amazing they actually had a camera man on Shriver when he was holding the blooper... DUDE!!! ITS STOCK FOOTAGE! -- you SHOULD find dozens of errors for 1967.
That's also not Shriver. Nor is that rifle shown a Marlin chambered in .444 Marlin, but what looks to be an M14. Dark Docs uses a LOT of random footage in his videos, and many times it's not even relevant to what he's talking about at all.
Learn more about MACVSOG, their stories will curl your toes. I grew up thinking Rambo was over the top, nah, Rambo's story is the story of a watered down SOG guy. Not even joking, I'm absolutely fascinated by SOG stories, men doing impossible missions in impossible conditions against regiment sized opposition and thriving.
SOG missions are crazy to think about. Some of the tactics they used for extraction, mainly dropping a weighted rope to crash through the canopy, so they could connect and get lifted up through the canopy and then hang from the rope for the ride home is insane.
Came here to say basically this. In combat, any time spent reloading is time for the enemy to attack. Having more loaded guns means you can shoot more before you have to reload. Or, you can take an enemy by surprise. You empty a 1911, and quickly pull out another. Enemy thinks you're reloading and charges, only for you to have a fully loaded 2nd/3rd/4th...gun at the ready.
Easy. The fastest reload is another pistol. Modern speed reloading didn't even start until the 1980s, snd only became prevalent in the last twenty years. Before modern rapid fire guns, carrying two to eight pistols was not uncommon for over three centuries.
Great video reaction... keep them coming. 11:59 That's exactly the reason for all those pistols. To make sure that if he is behind the lines that he is virtually assured of having at least one weapon on him that matches the ammo he finds. Though I'm pretty sure this is the kind of John Wick individual that could just as easily kill you with a pencil.
Different pistols and rifles was the clever move as you can literally find ammunition to fit from enemy or, downed allies. The mentality is, "If I cant use one, Ill use another". Thanks for your service from a Vet myself.
12:24 to add to what you said, it also helps the special forces stay invisible to the enemy longer if they are using the enemy’s weapons. When you are listening to a firefight, you don’t know who’s who if all the weapons are the same. It generates a level of confusion.
@ 13:37 i remember reading about this man, the reason he took a lever action .444 Marlin into battle was to get through the heavy brush and into bunkers ... Quite effectively eliminated the eney with it.
I am 52 now and everything that I watched was either Old World War II movies or everything there was Vietnam. My dad served two years in Vietnam as a platoon leader so I grew up wanting to do all that special forces macv SOG stuff. It just seems so amazing what these guys did especially with the rangers and their LRRP teams and Seals and than youve got these crazy dudes who are MACV SOG. So when I join the military the only thing that I had my eye on and reason for joining was to go into Special Forces. I didn't want any other thing but that I looked at the seals and realized that I don't like cold water that much. So I looked at the Army who have the 75th Ranger regiment and then Green Berets and what I found out was that Delta was mainly made up of guys from the ranger battalions not to say that it's not a lot of Green Berets as well but it just seemed like predominantly speaking all the guys I knew in CAG. Spent their first years in ranger battalion. So opted for the 75th Ranger regiment which was an amazing time cuz I was in from 2007 to 2014 so I was there when the range of Italians really kind of changed and turned into more of a tier one type of Special Operations unit. Yeah you're 100% correct I've talked to my father about what it was like going on patrols for a couple of days in the jungle and we're talking about Triple Canopy type of jungles. It just has to suck. Like all we had to deal with was really shity to rain in Crazy heat but then crazy cold when I got dark outside and into the winter months it really gets cold. But again think about the differences in fighting in a desert style terrain instead of a jungle type of terrain where everything there is trying to kill you and is hidden so well in all of that Greenery. Where is everything that we did was out and some mountain with some trees saw a lot of victories in some of the mountain areas but generally speaking we were hitting high value targets like people's houses and some stuff in the cities you know mosul and Kandahar. But anyway yeah all I thought about was doing this cool s*** these macv SOG guys. RLTW 3/75
You need to listen to a podcast on RUclips with Jerry Stryker Meyer he was in MAC v SOG and if you knew how much ammo they carried on an operation you’d think it was bs. There are a few different people who’ve interviewed Jerry, but before they could join they had to sign papers that it was 50 years classified before they could talk about it I believe.
I was in for 22 years. First Operation was Grenada. Yes I knew a few of these guys. Most, when retired or after they left, had a very hard time assimilating back into society. Many lived a country life, off grid even. What once made them "weird", would pay off as soldiers, then haunt them a good long while in civilian life. The very nature of their personality, would prevent them from seeking help. Sad really. As far as carrying so many guns, many Vietnam era guys didn't trust the .45 in the jungle and dirt. Reloading in a firefight was out of the question. The old toss and draw (another pistol) worked best. And like Carlos Hathcock, he had a price on his head and knew the enemy could be serving him his beer.
OriginalHuman needs to do a video on MACVSOG. @14:14 the video mentions Hatchet Forces as 20 to 30 indig. Actually Hatchet Forces were platoon to company sized units. And not just Montagnards. Some Campbodians, Chinese Numgs, and some Vietnamese. Often by the local population and mission location. Running out of FOBs, North, Central, and South. ie FOB2 in Kontum was almost all Montagnards. But up North might be Chinese Nungs. One of the most grounded movies of special forces is "Go Tell the Spartans." And not a beret in sight. NOT the cheezy "Green Berets" with John Wayne. The other "crazy" guy you mentioned was proly Roy Benavidez.
Also @ 12:20 the other reason they used enemy weapons was it left no trace of who attacked who .. no American brass casings to give away the fact that your enemy was in the area .. after a battle it looks like a case of accidental friendly fire ...
Another reason to use the enemy's gun is the sound they make. Each weapon has a unique report. For example, the M-16 would stand out in enemy territory while the Kalashnikov ("AK") wouldn't draw unusual attention.
Most people can draw a gun faster than they can reload one. That's why some guys carried 2 or 3 pistols, but it sounds like he did everything to the extreme. When I was iIn Germany I was in the same platoon as a different sergeant named Jerry who served in Vietnam. He was in a LRRP ( long-range reconnaissance patrol) platoon. One time his team went out in the jungle and he came back alone, two months later! He hardly ever said a word about what he did in Vietnam, but you could get PTSD just listening to him. 😁
I had a friend in the southwest of Vietnam and Laos. He said what they were afraid of was the Orangutans. They would grab a solider and beat them to death.
A couple of reasons to use an AK would be takedown power and reliability in crappy conditions. Another would be that the enemy couldn't identify you by the sound of your gun, because it sounded like theirs.
my dad served in Vietnam and as a kid my dad would never talk about it as i got older and he was getting older and stared deal with his actual ptsd before he that he drank a lot when i was a kid i remember as a kid i was making jack and cokes going down the road but when i hit my 20's my dad stopped drinking all together so we go on hunting trips and he would tell me what he did in nam so i feel for all veteran's that deal with ptsd so i knew it help him just by talking with me and i understood what he went through amost like i was their too
My Dad is a veteran of Korea and Vietnam,.... He went to Korea at 15 yrs old when he stole his older brothers birth certificate and enlisted and then reenlisted for Vietnam and did 2 tours. at 86 he's still tough as nails and looks and acts like he's only in his late 60's, lives in the mountains on the Reservation, still hikes a 5-mile mountain trail every day and still chops his own wood..lol
well... this was very much eye opening... My dad was in vietnam and i saw his release papers that where all blacked out, it always bugged me. His Uniform has the screaming eagle on it, he told me before that he was in a team that was only told that they're to report for duty and they cannot speak to anyone any must get up and immediately report, they cannot speak to anyone until the mission is over, and cannot talk about the mission.
I heard of someone using a .444 Marlin in Vietnam, but didn't know it was this guy. For anyone unfamiliar with the caliber, it's basically a .44 Magnum with the case stretched out .94 inch, 23.9mm longer, stuffed with "a hat-full" of powder, and sometimes heavier bullets. With 240 grain bullets, it's more than 2 1/2 times the power of a .44 Magnum revolver.I think Dirty Harry would approve.
the british did the same thing in india and malaisia, 4 man teams giving medical help to tribes and getting help and soldiers from them in return, tribal loyalty is like family you dont break it, thats why they are so loyal.
There are a couple books I'd recommend about MAC-V SOG "Over The Fence" by John Stryker-Meyer and "Codename Dynamite" by Dick Thompson both legendary people in the SF community.
You keep referring to the Falklands. If any Royal Marine Falkland Vets see this, say HELLO! to Rocky for me!" I think he went to the Falklands on the HMS Hermes. From a Special Operations Perspective, one of the main reasons to use enemy weapons systems while behind enemy lines is exemplified by a Clint Eastwood Line from the movie "Heartbreak Ridge": "This is the AK47. The preferred weapon of your enemy, and it makes a very distinctive sound when being fired at you....". If you are deep in Laos (about 500 miles from where you should legally be) and get in a gunfight, EVERY bad guy in earshot will know EXACTLY where the M16s and M60s are. If you are using AKs and PKMs, everybody sounds the same, and nobody (except you) knows exactly where to attack. PS: Sorry for the length, but I'll explain the 5 or 6 .38 revolvers. In swampy (heavily humid) places, a 1911 is way more difficult to maintain. More moving parts means more chances for something to break. Revolvers are amazingly rugged and are the MOST DEPENDABLE handguns to carry (especially if you are alone behind enemy lines far from help). The negative of the venerable "wheelgun" is time to reload. Even with "Half-Moons" "Speedloaders", it's still WAAAAAAAYYYYYY longer than "one in the chamber and seven in the mag..." and then to slap in another magazine. So, this guy got the best of both! Half a dozen .38s. Tiny recoil, so you could one hand shoot two at a time, and "cylinder dump" 12 rounds keeping the muzzle on target the entire time. He wasn't doing all this shit just for show. He was a true COMBAT JUNKIE that knew his shit!"
While it is extremely watered down for practical purposes, a good series to check out to get an idea of U.S. special forces is the series "making the cut". While they don't go over real details and the real mentality involved, they do cover the basic mechanics of joining the differing special forces groups within the U.S. military.
They had Tigers, and venomous snakes In Vietnam. And everyone in my division, had heard this story, In one form, or another. He was a man, and a legend.
When i started my career 25 years ago there was a Vietnam vet getting readyvto retire. I noticed immediately he was often alone and away from others. One of the guys who had worked hum for years told me he had doe 3 tours in Vietnam and asked to do a fourth. The army denied his request because he enjoyed killing too much. Im not sure if it is a true story but after i got to know him as much as he'd allow i dont doubt it at all.
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My father was 101st Airborne Ranger. He was the first boots in and only 1 of 2 people in his platoon to make it out alive. The stories he told me had me awestruck every time. Action everyday and when you think about all the death on both sides, extremely sad. God bless them all. My father passed a few years ago after leading an amazing life. I've never met a better person, and I miss him dealer. God rest his soul.
"Surrounded from the inside," is pure gold.
"Got them surrounded from the inside" means, stay the fk out, you'll just be in the way. An angel of death moment. The mindset is ominous.
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Great quote.
I read a book on MACV SOG that had Jerry Shriver in it. On one mission the soldiers had his dog in the NCO club and force feed the dog beer. The dog got sick and shit on the floor and the men rubbed the dog nose in the shit. After finding out what happened he went into the NCO club chugged a beer and pulled out his revolver, then took a shit in the middle of the club and asked if anyone wanted to rub his nose in it. No one moved.
I was going to post this expanded version. What was mentioned in this video doesn't have all the info.
This is the story I had heard as well.
Maverick is the book I believe.
Mad Dog was the original John Wick lol. Nobody should be messing with his German Shepherd!
Once I heard Florida everything else was just a "ahh makes sense yea"
As a Floridian I am deeply... complimented. Cheers.
Same I was "Jup checks out it's a Florida man"
As a Florida man, I approve this message.
There’s something about that triangle from Texas to North Carolina to Florida that produces the greatest badasses in the USA
Your Floridians are like our Queenslanders here in Australia.
Growing up in Florida next to the Everglades (swap) I can understand him feeling at home in a jungle lol
SOG was a hell of a program. Those 6 man recon teams were quite often getting bounced by dozens to hundreds of enemy at a time. It's amazing any of them survived (I believe 50 of them are still officially listed as MIA in Laos and Cambodia.) John Stryker Myer (former SOG) has some incredible books about them I read a few years ago and his podcast episodes with Jocko Willink are incredible.
SOG is the only US military unit in history to have a 100% casualty rate
@@richardovercast2258 Hell, it exceeded 100% as every member of SOG was wounded at least once (and half of them died.) They also had the highest kill ratio. Something along the lines of 160 to 1.
Enough of those teams went missing that you can bet e few were captured as well, but none of those MIA were ever returned.
The multiple pistols thing used to be called a _"Brooklyn Reload",_ an old tactic of Mafia hitmen, where you would carry a bunch of cheap revolvers in a bag, then discard them as you emptied each one....I wouldn't carry that kind of rig in the field, but I can see someone thinking it to be a good idea.
"Remember that it is easier to switch to secondary weapon than to reload."
The origin of that would go back to swashbuckling though. Pirates, privateers, scallywags. All of them if they were smart and able to, like the infamous Edward "Black Beard" Teach was, you'd wear several flint locks strapped to you because back in the day, it took a skilled shooter like 30 seconds to 2 minutes under extreme duress to reload a flint lock. It might not seem like too much, but be it 2 minutes or 30 seconds both are within that, "random sucker runs up and divorces your head from your body before you get the reload" window. It carried on to revolvers because reloading one at a time was a bit of a joke with older revolvers that didn't have the cylinders that popped out (as in you had to cycle the entire cylinder to each round, eject the spent casing and put a new one in out of the same loading/ejection hole.) But the point being is that it was practical at the beginning, it probably held some versatility during the mobster revolver days, but today it's kind of questionable. Even during that one scene in "Boondock Saints" where the dad's doing it, I kind of question how good it actually is with modern pistols.
@@steeljawX- new york reload is still quicker than using a speed loader. And speed loaders were not common in 60's viet nam.
I love that term! The "Brooklyn Reload" absolutely has a perfect American bit of grit and style to it.
The ambidextrous shooter is the deadliest in a small arms combat
Sgt Roy Benavidaz. Most badass Green Beret
Agree. Iserved =71-92 and when Iwas in Ranger School, SSG Benavidez was all the instructors set as a goal to be met.
Legit legend
Well, he and Jerry were pretty close.
This
Yes my Dad was Air Force and involved towards the end of Vietnam He's from Victoria Tx and Roy I believe was born in El Campo. My Dad heard the stories about him.
My cousin was Drafted into the US Army in late 1969 n came back a different man. He was captured by the Vietnamese but they were High on drugs n my cousin got to a chance to run from them into the jungle. He got away but took 1 week to find his group. He almost fell into one kof the Vietnamese traps that were deep holes in the ground n at the bottom there were many Spikes. The things he saw has caused his nightmares even up to now. I remember him telling me that when he was near the front he ran into a very young child ( he looked like 12) n he pointed his rifle at my cousin n my cousin had to kill him. He still can see that boys face. I could tell u many stories that he told me but many he could never tell anyone. 3:13
Hes a florida man
Back then, someone might have reported it as, "Florida man wrecks havoc in Vietnam."
Today, we'd just say it how it is. "Florida man illegally imports Florida into Vietnam." 🤣🤣🤣
Makes sense, they're built for that kind of environment.
And from my hometown too
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"He's from Florida!"
Everyone on RUclips:
"OHHHH yeah that makes sense!"
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That's gold!
Dude, I’ve seen dudes in the Army, and you just knew they were from Florida. There was almost a George Jefferson strut about them that made you laugh.
I'm a vietnam veteran, I know the Australian SAS were requested to instruct the yanks on jungle warfare at one stage .Australian AATTV were awarded five VC .Barry Petersen an Australian AATTV was known as the Tiger Man of Vietnam a book was written.He was a Malay campaign veteran was seconded to CIA He was sent up to the highlands and worked with the Montana's.
Thank you for your service!!!
@@timmyboy3960 Your welcome timmyboy ,it was an honour and a privilege.
Col Hackworth? He was in the movie "We Were Soldiers." He ended up being one of the most decorated US soldiers
I loved that movie about Col Hal Moore , he’s a hometown hero in Bardstown , Kentucky . Those men were cut from a different cloth , very brave warriors.
Some of the guys from MAC V SOG have done podcast's and shared their stories and experiences. John Stryker Meyer, a prominent figure from SOG did a podcast with Jocko Willik, podcast 180. John also has his own podcast called SOGcast where he interviews other SOG guys and shares stories. You should definitely check them out in your free time, very well worth it.
I thought this might be about Carlos "White feather" Hathcock. He was a deadly sniper.
So did I, at least I was hoping!
@@weslennon3425Carlos was a calm terror. There were some animals running wild at that time.
He was good, but not the White Death levels. The atocitys done by regular soldiers towards the civilians was horrendious, war-crime levels. And still lost the Vietnam war.
@@BergenDev Lost the objective of war, yes. As far as death tolls, no. It was also a conflict.
Chuck Mawhinney, the Marine w/ the most confirmed kills passed away only a month ago.
for men like this their definition of "vibing" is getting shot at. this is where i draw distinction between the words "soldier" and "warrior" anyone can be a soldier. you can get drafted and be a soldier. but warriors are born. they are the individuals possessed by the spirit of war. obsessed with war. their ideal day of fun and relaxation is combat. the more entense the better. the kinda person that gets high anxiety and panic attacks from the prospect of sitting on the couch at home watching TV. or walking to the grocery store. but put them in the midst of a warzone, tell them who the enemy is and let them go. they are in their element. day in. day out. they will inflict casualties with great personal satisfaction.
The other advantage of using the enemy's AKs is that the distinctive sound is confusing to the enemy. Confusing to friendly's as well. Two edged sword that could definitely bite you on the ass!
The Vietnam War was a s**t show where politicians tied the hands of the military behind there backs with these stupid "rules of engagement" that prevented them from fighting the enemy and then sent them out to "fight" the enemy. As John Rambo put it in Rambo: First Blood; "Nothing is over! Nothing! You just don't turn it off! It wasn't my war! You asked me, I didn't ask you! And I did what I had to do to win! But somebody wouldn't let us win! And I come back to the world and I see all those maggots at the airport, protesting me, spitting. Calling me baby killer and all kinds of vile crap! Who are they to protest me, huh? Who are they? Unless they've been me and been there and know what the hell they're yelling about!"
That breed of soldier you are talking about have a name: warriors, born for war and bred for war, fighting the enemy and partaking in warfare is their entire lives and the closest thing we have to a genetically-engineered human created artificially for specific tasks
I agree you are right about the whole thing unfortunately, i think the only thing we can do for them is allow them to become mentors to the next generation of their kin and partake in the process as much as possible because in the end they cant really integrate society like your average human being does its just not who they are
When a warrior grows too old to fight he can only teach and die
The real warriors i know became farmers.
You are probably thinking about Roy Benevidez
my god, what a warrior. RiP Roy. He did ALL of America proud.
The jungle may have been scary but the Agent Orange they tried to clean it up with was worse.
It's coming back to bite them now. Kinda...my dad and fellow vets are getting offers for cash payouts for that bs. It does not undo what was done though
Lost a cousin to agent orange caused liver failure in the 1980s. Those of us that have served were used and abused by government needs.
I got exposed too. But still tickin'.
Lt. Gen, Lewis "Chesty" Puller USMC, speaking to his troops on being surrounded in a battle, "Great. Now we can shoot those bastards from every direction." Shiver was essentially paraphrasing Chesty with his remark.
A buddy of mine scored high on the ASVAB and he could basically choose any job in the US Army but he requested 11B, grunt. they even tried to convince him of a different job but he said.
"I only want 11 B"
He went career, went Airborne and he's still serving today
I've meet a far number of former macv-sog guy's. They all said Shriver was the most violent and terrifying person they knew. They also said, on average, he himself carried as much firepower as an entire recon team.
In WWII U.S. Navy formed the U.D.T. Underwater, Demolition, Teams. These guy in a bathing suit Snorkel and a back pack would clear mines and other obstacles before the military could make beach assaults. These same guys group would eventually have a off shoot called the U.S. Navy Sea Air everything Land. They were invented to do classified missions. They eventually did add the tanks and rebreathers. B.U.D.s is just a starting point of training. Basically it is a flush point for those not willing to go all the way.
The E definitely implies Navy Seals will fight aliens like movies
Really.... hmmph, never heard of 'em.
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Have u done one on Carlos Hathcock? Marine sniper one of the deadest . He is from my home state of Arkansas.
Shriver was less than three weeks away from finishing his third tour of duty. He was just 27 years old when he was officially listed as MIA (Missing In Action). He left behind Klaus, a little over a dollar in his account, and his prized smoking jacket which would hold a prominent place of honor in the camp’s club. The following inscription was displayed underneath the silk smoking jacket:
“In Memory of Sergeant First Class Jerry M. Shriver
Missing in Action 24 April 1969.”
The soldier you were thinking about was a commando during WW2,he was the first to shave his head into a Mohawk,also there was the OSS during WW2,aka Donovans Raiders.
If you have 6 pistols, you have 5 firing pins and barrels as backup for the first that jammed.
Reloading takes longer than grabbing a second gun. You can fire in 2 directions at the same time allowing you to create suppressing fire, while also actually firing at your target. Also, if you can accurately hit a single spot with both barrels at the same time, it is something like 4 times as likely to break through their cover and kill the guy on the other side of an obstacle.
Gun fighters in the 'old west', packed 2 or even 3 guns, but NEVER used 2 at once. They couldn't aim both at the same time accurately. Maybe the green beret's, were "that good, lol".
My dad was on the 2nd ever SEAL team, the 1st stayed in the USA working out training and trying out new weapons and developing tactics. There was a guy on his team... this dude on their days off... he would go butt ass naked with a knife or manchette and leave the base only to return with a necklace of ears of all the guys he killed in hand to hand. He also used to leave with a BB gun... he would shot dudes until they lost their shit and charged him and then he would hack them to death. This dude had NO CHILL and loved killing the enemy. My dad was busted to private 6 times for behavior issues. Mostly beating up officers but the best one was the great big ass RIBs they rode down the river... yeah the whole team was swimming naked at the end of the pier on the Mekong River and my dad had a puppy.. a catfish came up and swallowed the puppy whole so they jumped out and dropped a whole case of grenades in the water and left to go get beer. About an hour later the MPs showed up and arrested my dad due to the fact that the exploding grenades and popped a seal in a 1.5M+ PT boat (1960s money) and it had sunk. He had multiple Purple Hearts, Bronze Stars and Silver Stars. Sadly his online military service seems to be gone. I am sad I never copied it to my computer. Donald F. Oden, 58, of Ferguson Road, passed away Sunday, July 1, 2007 RIP dad you were always my hero. He died of complications from his wounds in Vietnam, he was 100% disabled but never took a single dime from the government and worked as a Head Electrician for IMC a potash mining company in Carlsbad NM. Without Carlsbad NM the USA would have lost WW2 as it is required to make shells and explosives and at the time was the only industrial production in the USA,
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Thanks to your dad, and best regards to you and your family. 🇺🇸
I had a friend, who was more like a father to me, that was MACV-SOG in Vietnam. He did three tours, '66, '67, and '69 and came back with a lot of scars (physical and mental). He was training me to join the military during high school because I wanted to become Special Forces like him. He was the deadliest man I've ever met in my life. I have another friend who was a LRRP (Long Range Reconnaissance Patrol). They were both men you wanted on your side, not against you.
As soon as I heard MAC V SOG I knew he would be bad ass. Their missions were so dangerouse you had to sign a contract for 7 missions at a time. The unit is the only unit in US military history with a 100% casualty rate.
SEE!! Mad Dog had to be a Florida Man!!! Don't mess with Florida Man! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!
I would argue for Carlos Hathcock being the most feared man on the US side in Vietnam, 93 confirmed kills with an unofficial toll between 300 and 400 as a Marine sniper.
I was born in the 60's so I was a kid in the 70's. Those Viet Nam vets that came back were scary dudes. You'd see them walking around with thousand mile stares and you didn't dare mess with them.
I recommend looking up William Fairbairn. He came up with a lot of tactics used by SWAT and special forces the world over.
The rumor is that he went native and lived with the Montenyards.
Good Rumor, let the legend live.
I have listened to dozens of interviews of SOG guys. Two of them mention Shriver.
One said that he had arrived new at some location and was assigned a room in a plywood barrack of some sort and was attempting to get some sleep, when he was woken by Shriver riding a motorcycle inside the building.
Another guy said that he had encountered Mad Dog in the camp bar and Shriver had a monkey sitting on his shoulder and the monkey had defecated on his shirt. Shriver didn't seem to care.
This guy intimated that he didn't like Jerry, because he considered him truly crazy.
Bit it waa not a war. It was a "Police Action"
A friend of mine was a total alcoholic/ drug abuser. And while extremely different in 87/88 he was given the choice of military or 5 years in prison. He chose the Marine Corp. After being clean and sober through basic, he never looked back. Retired after 30, and now lives in Montana. A little cattle ranch with 10 head. Still clean and sober.
The 3rd reason to use your enemies weapons is the sound.
I had a buddy , long range rekon who spent a lot of time in North Vietnam in one and two man hits ... usually gathering intel but also taking out high level vietco g and nva regulars . He had a hard time back home and told me he missed the hunt and killing.
In the early days the MAC SOG guys use either the AK 47s because it didn't sound like the M 16s, so it didn't attract unwanted attention. But also The Swedish K Sub Machine Gun, because of it's deniability. Behind enemy lines they would often wander into Laos or Cambodia chasing the enemy, so they didn't carry anything that would identify them as U.S Forces.
I'm a by-product of the Vietnam war. My grandpa was a Artillery Staff Sargent. Knocked up a girl there and had a baby mid war (my uncle), had another baby with her later after (my mom). Im 23% vietnamese, the rest is a small mix of a bunch of european counties like the baltic states, irish, scotish, german. Edit: my grandpa is still alive and kickin well enough for being in his 80's now. Gets out and walks everyday, goes on hiking trails. I made him a Great Grandpa.
My old man was 101st Airborne. Another man born for that life. Always said he accepted he was already dead by being there and getting out was his second chance to live. It never left him mentally though and physically the agent orange finally caught up damaging his heart valve until his end. RIP pops❤.
40 mm grenade launcher NOT shotgun.
It's not a sawed off shotgun, it's an M79 grenade launcher. We called it the biooper
Yeah, amazing they actually had a camera man on Shriver when he was holding the blooper... DUDE!!! ITS STOCK FOOTAGE! -- you SHOULD find dozens of errors for 1967.
That's also not Shriver. Nor is that rifle shown a Marlin chambered in .444 Marlin, but what looks to be an M14. Dark Docs uses a LOT of random footage in his videos, and many times it's not even relevant to what he's talking about at all.
@@JesusParra-tr7bz blooper
Not all the parts in the video match the narration. He might have carried a shotgun just no film of it.
My son was the soldier until he got injuried, a trained sniper, parachutist and all his men loved him.. he’s an architect construction engineer now
Learn more about MACVSOG, their stories will curl your toes.
I grew up thinking Rambo was over the top, nah, Rambo's story is the story of a watered down SOG guy.
Not even joking, I'm absolutely fascinated by SOG stories, men doing impossible missions in impossible conditions against regiment sized opposition and thriving.
Richard Marchinko Rogue Worrier story of navy a seal and seal team 6
SOG missions are crazy to think about. Some of the tactics they used for extraction, mainly dropping a weighted rope to crash through the canopy, so they could connect and get lifted up through the canopy and then hang from the rope for the ride home is insane.
Multiple revolvers like a pirate, no reload, just grab a new pistol lol
Came here to say basically this. In combat, any time spent reloading is time for the enemy to attack. Having more loaded guns means you can shoot more before you have to reload. Or, you can take an enemy by surprise. You empty a 1911, and quickly pull out another. Enemy thinks you're reloading and charges, only for you to have a fully loaded 2nd/3rd/4th...gun at the ready.
@@JonesNate Not to mention he probably had gated feed revolvers so one shell at a time, no moon clips or speed feeds.
How does the weight being carried change with multiple revolvers vs one auto and magazines
Easy. The fastest reload is another pistol. Modern speed reloading didn't even start until the 1980s, snd only became prevalent in the last twenty years. Before modern rapid fire guns, carrying two to eight pistols was not uncommon for over three centuries.
As to why carry pistols, the average firefight range in Vietnam was about three meters. Perfect range for a good pistolero.
Great video reaction... keep them coming.
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That's exactly the reason for all those pistols. To make sure that if he is behind the lines that he is virtually assured of having at least one weapon on him that matches the ammo he finds. Though I'm pretty sure this is the kind of John Wick individual that could just as easily kill you with a pencil.
No wonder!!! ! He's a Florida man!!!!!
Jocko has podcasts with living members of the MACV-SOG. These guys were what Rambo dreamed about being.
Different pistols and rifles was the clever move as you can literally find ammunition to fit from enemy or, downed allies. The mentality is, "If I cant use one, Ill use another". Thanks for your service from a Vet myself.
12:24 to add to what you said, it also helps the special forces stay invisible to the enemy longer if they are using the enemy’s weapons. When you are listening to a firefight, you don’t know who’s who if all the weapons are the same. It generates a level of confusion.
@ 13:37 i remember reading about this man, the reason he took a lever action .444 Marlin into battle was to get through the heavy brush and into bunkers ... Quite effectively eliminated the eney with it.
I am 52 now and everything that I watched was either Old World War II movies or everything there was Vietnam. My dad served two years in Vietnam as a platoon leader so I grew up wanting to do all that special forces macv SOG stuff. It just seems so amazing what these guys did especially with the rangers and their LRRP teams and Seals and than youve got these crazy dudes who are MACV SOG. So when I join the military the only thing that I had my eye on and reason for joining was to go into Special Forces. I didn't want any other thing but that I looked at the seals and realized that I don't like cold water that much. So I looked at the Army who have the 75th Ranger regiment and then Green Berets and what I found out was that Delta was mainly made up of guys from the ranger battalions not to say that it's not a lot of Green Berets as well but it just seemed like predominantly speaking all the guys I knew in CAG. Spent their first years in ranger battalion. So opted for the 75th Ranger regiment which was an amazing time cuz I was in from 2007 to 2014 so I was there when the range of Italians really kind of changed and turned into more of a tier one type of Special Operations unit. Yeah you're 100% correct I've talked to my father about what it was like going on patrols for a couple of days in the jungle and we're talking about Triple Canopy type of jungles. It just has to suck. Like all we had to deal with was really shity to rain in Crazy heat but then crazy cold when I got dark outside and into the winter months it really gets cold. But again think about the differences in fighting in a desert style terrain instead of a jungle type of terrain where everything there is trying to kill you and is hidden so well in all of that Greenery. Where is everything that we did was out and some mountain with some trees saw a lot of victories in some of the mountain areas but generally speaking we were hitting high value targets like people's houses and some stuff in the cities you know mosul and Kandahar. But anyway yeah all I thought about was doing this cool s*** these macv SOG guys. RLTW 3/75
You need to listen to a podcast on RUclips with Jerry Stryker Meyer he was in MAC v SOG and if you knew how much ammo they carried on an operation you’d think it was bs. There are a few different people who’ve interviewed Jerry, but before they could join they had to sign papers that it was 50 years classified before they could talk about it I believe.
You might be thinking about Carlos Hathcock.
A great book about Vietnam is "The 13th Valley". It's a novel but vets of Vietnam I know say it's very realistic especially on jungle combat.
17:46 Sounds like the Pathfinders of the 101st.
Yay new video hello from the US it's 4 in the morning and I'm hyped.
Two crazy stories of Vietnam SF guys are MSG Roy Benavidez or Col. Bob Howard both MoH recipients both absolute legends.
I was in for 22 years. First Operation was Grenada. Yes I knew a few of these guys. Most, when retired or after they left, had a very hard time assimilating back into society. Many lived a country life, off grid even. What once made them "weird", would pay off as soldiers, then haunt them a good long while in civilian life. The very nature of their personality, would prevent them from seeking help. Sad really. As far as carrying so many guns, many Vietnam era guys didn't trust the .45 in the jungle and dirt. Reloading in a firefight was out of the question. The old toss and draw (another pistol) worked best. And like Carlos Hathcock, he had a price on his head and knew the enemy could be serving him his beer.
So far as Vietnam mad men go, read Rogue Warrior, the autobiography by Richard Macinko, was a SEAL during Vietnam, and his adventures were incredible.
It’s always a good start to the day when I have a new video to watch! Much love to you all! Have a wonderful day/night whatever it is where you are
Vietnam was a guerilla war, no set lines. No "rules".
Using the enemies weapon also has the benefit of matching the sound, which can confuse the enemy. It can cause hesitation in return fire.
In the VC case, it wasnt. Believe me, in the most of time, using an AK just make the US sodiers shooting at you.
Thanks for the series recommendation.
OriginalHuman needs to do a video on MACVSOG.
@14:14 the video mentions Hatchet Forces as 20 to 30 indig. Actually Hatchet Forces were platoon to company sized units. And not just Montagnards. Some Campbodians, Chinese Numgs, and some Vietnamese. Often by the local population and mission location. Running out of FOBs, North, Central, and South. ie FOB2 in Kontum was almost all Montagnards. But up North might be Chinese Nungs.
One of the most grounded movies of special forces is "Go Tell the Spartans." And not a beret in sight. NOT the cheezy "Green Berets" with John Wayne.
The other "crazy" guy you mentioned was proly Roy Benavidez.
Also @ 12:20 the other reason they used enemy weapons was it left no trace of who attacked who .. no American brass casings to give away the fact that your enemy was in the area .. after a battle it looks like a case of accidental friendly fire ...
Look up Robin Olds. He was a fighter pilot in WWII and Vietnam. He was a triple ace in WWII. He ran Operation Bolo in Vietnam.
Another reason to use the enemy's gun is the sound they make. Each weapon has a unique report. For example, the M-16 would stand out in enemy territory while the Kalashnikov ("AK") wouldn't draw unusual attention.
Most people can draw a gun faster than they can reload one. That's why some guys carried 2 or 3 pistols, but it sounds like he did everything to the extreme. When I was iIn Germany I was in the same platoon as a different sergeant named Jerry who served in Vietnam. He was in a LRRP ( long-range reconnaissance patrol) platoon. One time his team went out in the jungle and he came back alone, two months later! He hardly ever said a word about what he did in Vietnam, but you could get PTSD just listening to him. 😁
I had a friend in the southwest of Vietnam and Laos. He said what they were afraid of was the Orangutans. They would grab a solider and beat them to death.
McNasty is who u r thinking of, him n the filthy 13, the movie the dirty dozen was based on it, except he lived n didn't die, like in the movie!!😂😂
You might look into Popski's Private Army from WWII.
Some guys in the 101 said the same thing at Bastogne. They were mad when Patton got the glory for thier "rescue"
A couple of reasons to use an AK would be takedown power and reliability in crappy conditions.
Another would be that the enemy couldn't identify you by the sound of your gun, because it sounded like theirs.
my dad served in Vietnam and as a kid my dad would never talk about it as i got older and he was getting older and stared deal with his actual ptsd before he that he drank a lot when i was a kid i remember as a kid i was making jack and cokes going down the road but when i hit my 20's my dad stopped drinking all together so we go on hunting trips and he would tell me what he did in nam so i feel for all veteran's that deal with ptsd so i knew it help him just by talking with me and i understood what he went through amost like i was their too
I love this stuff. Keep making these videos. You always seem to have good insight.
My Dad is a veteran of Korea and Vietnam,.... He went to Korea at 15 yrs old when he stole his older brothers birth certificate and enlisted and then reenlisted for Vietnam and did 2 tours. at 86 he's still tough as nails and looks and acts like he's only in his late 60's, lives in the mountains on the Reservation, still hikes a 5-mile mountain trail every day and still chops his own wood..lol
well... this was very much eye opening... My dad was in vietnam and i saw his release papers that where all blacked out, it always bugged me. His Uniform has the screaming eagle on it, he told me before that he was in a team that was only told that they're to report for duty and they cannot speak to anyone any must get up and immediately report, they cannot speak to anyone until the mission is over, and cannot talk about the mission.
I heard of someone using a .444 Marlin in Vietnam, but didn't know it was this guy. For anyone unfamiliar with the caliber, it's basically a .44 Magnum with the case stretched out .94 inch, 23.9mm longer, stuffed with "a hat-full" of powder, and sometimes heavier bullets. With 240 grain bullets, it's more than 2 1/2 times the power of a .44 Magnum revolver.I think Dirty Harry would approve.
the british did the same thing in india and malaisia, 4 man teams giving medical help to tribes and getting help and soldiers from them in return, tribal loyalty is like family you dont break it, thats why they are so loyal.
I met two what I call "natural warriors". They didn't get men needlessly wounded or killed being heroes, but their men would follow them anywhere.
There are a couple books I'd recommend about MAC-V SOG "Over The Fence" by John Stryker-Meyer and "Codename Dynamite" by Dick Thompson both legendary people in the SF community.
"Mad jack Churchill" is worth checking out if you haven't already
You keep referring to the Falklands. If any Royal Marine Falkland Vets see this, say HELLO! to Rocky for me!" I think he went to the Falklands on the HMS Hermes. From a Special Operations Perspective, one of the main reasons to use enemy weapons systems while behind enemy lines is exemplified by a Clint Eastwood Line from the movie "Heartbreak Ridge": "This is the AK47. The preferred weapon of your enemy, and it makes a very distinctive sound when being fired at you....". If you are deep in Laos (about 500 miles from where you should legally be) and get in a gunfight, EVERY bad guy in earshot will know EXACTLY where the M16s and M60s are. If you are using AKs and PKMs, everybody sounds the same, and nobody (except you) knows exactly where to attack. PS: Sorry for the length, but I'll explain the 5 or 6 .38 revolvers. In swampy (heavily humid) places, a 1911 is way more difficult to maintain. More moving parts means more chances for something to break. Revolvers are amazingly rugged and are the MOST DEPENDABLE handguns to carry (especially if you are alone behind enemy lines far from help). The negative of the venerable "wheelgun" is time to reload. Even with "Half-Moons" "Speedloaders", it's still WAAAAAAAYYYYYY longer than "one in the chamber and seven in the mag..." and then to slap in another magazine. So, this guy got the best of both! Half a dozen .38s. Tiny recoil, so you could one hand shoot two at a time, and "cylinder dump" 12 rounds keeping the muzzle on target the entire time. He wasn't doing all this shit just for show. He was a true COMBAT JUNKIE that knew his shit!"
While it is extremely watered down for practical purposes, a good series to check out to get an idea of U.S. special forces is the series "making the cut". While they don't go over real details and the real mentality involved, they do cover the basic mechanics of joining the differing special forces groups within the U.S. military.
They had Tigers, and venomous snakes In Vietnam. And everyone in my division, had heard this story, In one form, or another. He was a man, and a legend.
I sure love my country! May GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS and GOD BLESS AMERICA!!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸 GO HOKIES!!
When i started my career 25 years ago there was a Vietnam vet getting readyvto retire. I noticed immediately he was often alone and away from others. One of the guys who had worked hum for years told me he had doe 3 tours in Vietnam and asked to do a fourth. The army denied his request because he enjoyed killing too much. Im not sure if it is a true story but after i got to know him as much as he'd allow i dont doubt it at all.
All war is terrifying. Also, what made Vietnam different from other wars is that instead of being a war of conquest, it was a war of annihilation.
I think the guy you’re talking about is Benites or Benito. Something similar to that.
I’m Matt Damon in Saving Private Ryan. Hands in my knees rocking back and forth crying
I agree, I think it’s a great idea!👍 that way you don’t miss & probably won’t get shot!