What's My Line? - Dorothy's Final Show - Joey Heatherton (Nov 7, 1965) [W/ COMMERCIALS]
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2014
- Here's the last of the four uncut episodes with original commercials I started posting a few days ago. As always, I preserved as much as possible of my original copy due to its much higher a/v quality. But what a treat to have the original commercials in any watchable video quality-- especially for such a special show, Dorothy Kilgallen's final appearance on WML before her sudden, untimely death.
I usually discourage discussion of any controversial topics in the comments, but I'm fairly resigned that people are going to be discussing the nature of Dorothy's death now. I can only ask that people please be respectful of each other's opinions, because the reality is that no one really knows what happened to end Dorothy's life. It's always irksome when I see people commenting about it as if they know the full story while others simply refuse to accept the "truth".
If I had my choice, I'd honestly prefer that this topic wasn't dwelt upon, but seeing as it comes up regularly in videos where it's apropos of nothing, it would be silly to expect folks not to discuss Dorothy's death now. I'd much rather, however, see people talk about what a rich life Dorothy had, what an impressive woman she was, and how much she will be missed in future episodes. It deeply saddens me that Googling "Dorothy Kilgallen" turns up virtually nothing but pages upon pages of articles focusing entirely on her death. She deserves a lot better than that.
MYSTERY GUEST: Joey Heatherton
PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Tony Randall, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf
Many thanks, as always, to epaddon for providing his copy of the complete episode.
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How sad to see Dorothy saying good night for the last time. She was such a sharp, interesting woman. I often find these shows hard to watch, knowing the panelists and John are long gone. They seem to have taken the class and mannerisms of a quite different era with them and I find that heartbreaking. Good night, Dorothy.
No one prepared me for losing our elders and even close friends as we age. I'm a seenager...not young and not too old. I can remember when people dressed nicely to fly on an airplane, dine out and go to church. It was more about self-respect and respect for others. I look at these actors and miss all of them. If I wasn't old enough to know them then, I certainly watched movies and TV shows they were in. Even my adult children love Bing, and Doris Day and Dean Martin.......just too many to name.
There’s still a great mystery surrounding her death that has not been solved. She was writing about the death of JFK when she mysteriously “died”
Theory is Dorothy was murdered because of a book she was completing. About who murdered JFK.
@@Donald909090 I have always believed that. If the authorities had kept investigating, they would have found her killer.
@@belvinsweatt1274 what do you mean? How did she die in relation to the Kennedy’s?
It is sad knowing Dorothy would be gone within a few hours of this appearance. But, what's even sadder is that most people didn't know what a brilliant and admired investigative reporter she was. She'd been such a reporter for many years prior to WML. RIP Dorothy...
I hope you read Mark Shaw's great book The Reporter Who Knew Too Much.
@@itkapatanka I did. In fact, I also read his second book, Denial of Justice. You should check that one out as well. It's also available from Amazon!
@@CPatafio Thanks, I'll find that one too but certainly NOT from amazon!
She closes by saying good night to Tony Randall with, "please come back". Doesn't seem like a statement from one just hours from suicide???
@@scottliberati5137 I couldn't agree with you more, Scott. Dorothy had EVERY intention of continuing to appear on the panel. However, it appears that someone (or ones) had other ideas about Dorothy appearing anywhere again...ever!
The beautiful, brilliant, and amazing Dorothy Kilgallen.
The reporter who knew too much. 😞
I was 13 at the time, wasn’t aware of her story til several years ago. I wonder what she did with her file while on stage with the show. There were a number of things that happened during that era that I’m hopeful the truth will come out during my lifetime. She does seem a little on edge tonight.
Snitched too much!
I saw the documentary "The Reporter who Knew to Much? Is it a movie?
@Barbara Guest he meant Snitches get stitches. Usually a Bully apply the cause of Stitches . It was a Short Concise way to say What he meant . basically concurred
I believe that her death was accidental. Conspiracy theories are pure bunk.
Joey Heatherton was one of the few celebrities who actually acknowledged the audience when she left the stage. She showed class.
i grew up with Joey and would have loved to meet her...
She was very charming on here: humble, polite, and endearing. Character traits that are sadly lacking in today's "celebrities".
Joey had the first modern cut on television that would look just as great today.
Yes! That's true, but so did Kate Smith, who blew everybody a kiss!
So did Eydie Gorme.
It always makes me smile to see how polite and how lovely television host and guest were back then. I remember watching that show as a child
You know, I think the same as you. They were polite, well mannered, well dressed, and most of all fun without all the ‘flash’ they put into shows today. I always believed I had been born a decade too late. Luckily I was able to watch re-runs while I was little. I grew up with respect for my elders and knowing what true talent was.
Absolutely correct! I was just lamenting about it to my wife wistfully. More is the pity, really.
The host and the panelists were well-mannered, well dressed, respectful, and very polite. No tattoos on the women, and the men didn't have every square inch of their bodies covered in tattoos. No piercings and no orange, purple, blue, pink, or green hair. No need to be shocking or distasteful, and no need to spew profanity or to be vulgar. Just people with lots of class and the need to respect others. What happened?
@@Dragon.Thistle.112 I agree. Here in 2021, no one has any respect for anyone anymore. An professionalism and dignity have almost been totally eliminated today. Seems like another world then, one I would be more than happy to reside in today.
There seemed to be a comment from Cerf towards Daly during the intro. which does not denote politeness on the part of Cerf. Awkward moment.
It's heartbreaking to know that within a few hours of this broadcast Dorothy Kilgallen would be found dead under suspicious circumstances. Bless her soul.
Hi, How are you doing?
SHE WAS MURDERED
No. In fact, two of the crew members said she seemed off during this show.
@@harlow743 We know
@Tracy Wagner You're wrong about all of this. She was found by a maid and a hairdresser who came to the home to keep a 12:15 p.m. appointment. And they called for help right away.
How eerie that we got to see the wonderful Dorothy Kilgallen in her final hours. The Dorothy in this video does not look like she was about to overdose. There must be more behind this story. If only we had a reporter like Dorothy herself to investigate the strange circumstances behind her death.
Because she didn't over dose. She was murdered. They found 4 different drugs in her system. Plus she was found In a bedroom she never slept in. Full make up and looking like she was going out.
Read The Reporter Who Knew Too Much
I just don't believe in conspiracy theories. I believe that Dorothy had a drink and took some seditives, was groggy and took some more without realizing it. A sad story.
@@SymphonyBrahms read the facts
@@cinetat Yeah, she doesn’t seem like someone that was in the throws of addiction. But addiction can be deceiving. But the circumstances of her life, at that time, can add doubt for that.
This show was filled with CLASS , nothing like this show will ever exist again because these people were real living 🌟🌟🌟STARS 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
100% correct. They were the “real deal” when it came to class.
@@belvinsweatt1274 everything has taken such a horrible turn , I'm happy there are ways to watch good clean entertaining fun !!
A lot of the stars back then were not as they seemed. A lot of fluff only to find them to be a whole different persona in real life.
@@candyh9876 I totally agree.
nothing like this show will ever exist again because....the quality of the average person has nosedived
Dorothy Kilgallen: astute, perceptive, elegant, gracious--the quintessential 1950s lady.
TheWriterWalker very, very well said! Thank you!
@@cynthiaennis3107 She was an absolute Class Act! Love her......
But don't forget... moody, combative, recalcitrant at times and let's face it, an alcoholic.
@@Walterwhiterocks Why would you say that she was an alcoholic? Most people drank a great deal back then. The rest of your description sounds just like a description of all women who were successful.
I think we're also forgetting,,, she was truly a very nice looking woman.
One characteristic about Kilgallen is the way she greets most guests as they are exiting the stage: a big smile and a way of making it appear she is seeing an old friend.
Yes, she always seems so genuine and warm.
@@goosewhisperer6275 I noticed that too...no way was that woman suicidal. She'll never get justice. How sad.
@SavageArfad SHE WAS VERY WELL, ALERT, AND READY TO BLOW THE LID OFF BY NAMING JFK'S ACTUAL ASSASSINS.
@SavageArfad my thought as well. But not necessarily suicidal. The overdose could have been an accident
It’s so tragic about Dorothy no matter how she died, although I do think she was murdered. She seemed like a really lovely person, and she was smart and quick witted.
When game show hosts were gentlemen, the guests polite. the entertainment amusing and heartfelt. Gone are the days.
Everyone dressed up so well. Behaving so dignified and classy.
young people wonder why boomers remark on how "things used to be", well this show is proof it was pretty special in a lot of ways. NOT perfect I know.
And then look at you
A real pleasure to watch it.
@@VagPoop_ is that you karen.
I don’t remember this show, but clearly remember the one after Dorothy’s death. JC Daly led off with a sad but brief eulogy. Dorothy’s seat was filled by Kitty Carlisle.
It is hard to watch knowing Dorothy died just a few hours later. I still remember how sad I was at the time, as I really liked her.
I never understood why so many viewers disliked her. Yes, she played to win, but she did everything to win. I find her to be very pleasant on the show and certainly wouldn't have minded meeting her.
She was killed because she was going to put out a report on the truth of JFK
She is completely ignored by Bennett at the end of the show 28:04 and says what I hear as "I thought you were going to say something about a forward pass" followed by other panel members saying "huh?" went back and watched it several times and it just strikes me as odd.
SgtRlee he probably knew.
@@SgtRlee1 I don't think it was so much a case of being ignored; rather they ran out of time and right after Dorothy made that comment, John Daly said the final goodnight.
Rip Dorothy 😢
I still can’t believe she would pass just a few hrs later..
She deserves all her accolades!
Yes how tragic and a young vibrant 52 with so many years left to live and the coroners report states that she died of a drug overdose which is of course absolute bullshit she was murdered plain and simple for the damaging information she had about the Kennedy assination !!!
@@leezeidel3630 What was the info she knew about JFK?
@@igiveyouthefacts It was stolen from her hotel room, so we'll never know
@@igiveyouthefacts She knew the truth. Truth is always the enemy of corrupt criminals
@@jrjr7548 And what was the truth?
Love how John was going to turn the cards over on the last contestant and Dorothy just had to get her guess in. She was a really serious player, and usually correct.
Dorothy Kilgallen was an amazing, sharp, smart, engaging, attractive and charming woman. So sad, as I'm watching this, to realize this would be Dorothys last appearance and last goodbye to her fans. A few hours later she would be dead under unusual circumstances. Thank you to Mark Shaw for keeping Dorothys name and life alive with his investigative work. I hope one day she receives the justice she so deserves. Bless your soul, Dorothy Kilgallen.
There were no suspicious circumstances about how she died. She took sleeping pills and then drank alcohol. Few knew then how dangerous that could be. Mark Shaw and others are exploiters who used the tragedy of her death to promote their harebrained theories.
I fell in love with What's My Line a few years ago, and one major reason was Dorothy. She had such a unique personality and look, and was so charismatic and intelligent. Fascinating woman who is very underrated nowadays. It's really sad watching this final episode knowing she'd pass hours later.
She was indeed a fascinating woman, whom I knew far too little about before becoming so deeply engrossed in WML.
Was it indeed hours later?
Yeah, she died sometime that Sunday night - Monday morning in her bedroom. Rumors still abound about her death, but she lived an undeniably creative, successful life, personally and professionally.
iamintheburg I agree. I was 11 years old then. I still can clearly remember my grandmother saying that the people who killed Kennedy killed her
Dorothy was such a charming personality
Mr. Spoony Singh had just opened his wax museum that year, and it still exists today. He passed away in 2006.
I never realized that he owned/operated it... what a talent and entrepreneur!
Sis
@@wendybabendy 122
Where is it located?
Thank you for sharing.
For all that was wrong in the world back then, it is nice to listen to folks like Kilgallen that maintained such class, and moved in a circle of such interesting and talented people.
Joey Heatherton entertained the troops in Vietnam so that makes her aces in my book.
Yes ... very gutsy and selfless .........
I remember her from the serta perfect sleeper commercials when I was a kid and was completely smitten by her.
@@brianwalsh1401 Me too. Loved to watch her dance.
@@brianwalsh1401 The scandal involving her husband, an NFL player, hurt her career.
@@Nikes62 Lance "no pants" Rentzel (as Peggy Hill) referred to him as.
Goodnight, Dorothy … RIP
I adore Dorothy's mind. I love that we have these shows that keep a part of her alive.
@Magnificent Failure
Remember, just a few weeks before she had an "accident", her arm was in a sling for a few weeks.
Then....
I'm
@@ParkAvenue34 I'm
@@ParkAvenue34 I'm
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Amazingly fortunate to have had the hospitality of staying with Mr Singh and his wife early 2000s. They live on top of Malibu mountain and are the most humble and wonderful people!
Good for Dorothy getting the dynamite seller correct - she loved getting them right! I just adore her, she's my favorite, as much as I love Arlene too.
Fittingly, Dorothy looked so beautiful in her last appearance.
@SavageArfad She looked very unwell after the agency visited her
She always cared to present herself professional til the very end, work wise and personal as well...RIP DOROTHY 🙏✝️
Her hair dresser found her body. He did her hair that night and put the flowers in it. He also believed she was murdered.
very smart woman
Yes; I was thinking the same thing about her lovely appearance that night.
Sad, the past WML episode for Dorothy Kilgallen. She was FAR MORE than a game show panelist. She was actually a hard-hitting investigative reporter!
I meant last not past.
Who was murdered for her investigation
@@jrlomy2k No she was not. I noticed that you offered no proof for your baseless claim.
@@preppysocks209 Well arent you a stupid little peck? There is a fascinating little thing called the internet that holds limitless amounts of information, Im sure you can find your answers there, since it's only been documented by multitudes of sources
@@jrlomy2k the internet is where truth goes to die
Dorothy was the sharpest panelist to ever appear on the show. She was also funny, sweet and classy.
Such a shame. And now, some 58 years later, I doubt we will ever know for sure what what the truth is concerning her death.
I had the honor and great fortune to work with Tony Randall back in the late 1990s. He is funny as hell and very warm. My God I miss him.
My favorite guest panelist.
It's really sad and a little eerie when John Daly said goodnight to Dorothy, not knowing it will be the last time he will see her alive..
John Daly seemed to be a bit offish toward Dorothy (I thought) in this one, almost as if to be on the side of the 2 panelists on the right who seemed to be slightly against Dorothy in light competition with her of some societal kind. Those 2 were, of course,, Arlene Francis and Bennett Cerf
And the way she died. The scene was staged and she was murdered.
gene4791 .what do you mean
@@gaidurakismate j Edgar hoover is all you need to know...look on here for
'the reporter who knew too much'
@@chrisbowen9043 - I've heard that this episode was broadcast live. John Daly had already mentioned that the time limit was rapidly approaching, so I think he was just signing off very quickly.
Hard to see someone living what is retrospectively her last moments on Earth... but in a way, many users who watch these videos are aware of her existence, who she was, what she did, even the tragedy of her death raised more attention about her work and her personality, so she didn't leave the world without a legacy, one that resuscitated thanks to the miracle of Internet, RUclips and this wonderful channel.
LOOKING AT VIDEOS OR PICTURES OF THE PAST IT'S ALMOST LIKE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE SINCE YOU KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THEIR LIVES.
Sdk ElMaruecan Very well said. Many people like myself though feel that certain matters are not at rest regarding Dorothy Kilgallen. I'm glad that there are people working on this in honour of her memory. I don't think she can rest in peace until the truth is acknowledged and justice is done.
Exactly. She could never have imagined that the programme could even be rewatched by the public at all, let alone by people all over the world six decades later at any time of the day or night. Thank you for entertaining me in this lonely lockdown, Dorothy.
@@davidsanderson5918 Don’t be ridiculous.
I thought she was a pill head or junkie and killed herself because she was weak.
It's so pristine a so well put together.. the players all so incredibly well mannered, and articulate.. it's almost like watching something from a different universe. Joey Heatherton was quite the stunner. More than just another 60's pretty face, she was a gifted dancer who began studying the art at age 6, at the Dixon McAfee School, and then several years with George Balanchine. I miss the days when entertainers actually Entertained... rather than just Lecture Us all the time.
She was an exceptional dancer. I wish more of the comments here were about her, too.
She seemed so nervous, which made her seem very unfriendly.
I've just started binge watching this show today, Dorothy seemed to be such a lovely lady, and my favorite panelist so far. This episode appeared in my recomendations a few times and I thought she had just left the show, it's sad to know how she passed away so sudenly and so tragically, may she rest in peace.
Murdered.
Mark Shaw wrote the book on her. The Reporter Who Knew To Much and Denial of Justice. I plan on buying both. I believe she was about to blow the case wide open. She deserves justice!
You mean, “The Reporter Who Knew Too Much”. I think your spell check was working overtime.
@@deboraholsen2504 ???
Her death was accidental. There is no proof otherwise. Conspiracy theories are nothing but fake stories to sell books. Like the ones written by that Mark Shaw character. What a fraud he was.
@@SymphonyBrahms I was a baby when this happen. I ask my parents questions of what they remember then and what they thought. Also I was not born when JFK was killed.
Paranoid conspiracy rubbish.
As they say in show biz -- finish big. Dorothy finished big. She got to lead out the introductions. She solved two occupations. She got some laughs. Her last line was a play on words worthy of Bennett.
I thought she was a little different on this night. I don’t want to say sarcastic or snarky, but different .. and did anyone notice that as she said the last line to Bennett .. that she thought he was going to say forward pass .. Tony Randall nudged her arm with disapproval.
@@sherrydockery9933 I noticed that too. I wonder what was up. I haven't a clue, but it did appear as if Tony nudged her slightly.
When you watch this, pay particular attention to Dorothy Kilgallen. This was her final night alive. Does she come across as a woman who is going to kill herself in roughly 4 1/2 hours from the time of this taping? In 12 hours, her hairdresser would find her dead, sitting up in bed--in a bedroom she never slept in--hairpiece still on, eyelashes still on make up still on. On her lap a book that was upside down, her reading glasses nowhere near and a drinking glass on the far bedside table, out of her reach.
Sudden cardiac arrest due to accidental overdose.
@@malcolmmarshall5946 NOT.
Dorothy brilliant Journalist ! She loved her family especially her children! Small note she would have NOT taken her own life. Blessings to her family!♥️🇮🇱✝️♥️🕊
It was nice that Tony Randall was on the panel for her last show . Tony always had great rapport with Dorothy .
two girlfriends
Yes. But it would have been even nicer had it been Steve Allen.
Thankfully it wasn't Jack Parr. I'm also glad our hometown doesn't claim him on a street sign.
@@anonymousdude9099 why
@@CharlesCoderre-yv1cu ???????
One of the few shows from this time when the guests were intelligent and funny, a joy by comparison with today's network efforts.
back when tv had "class" and intelligence. today's tv pales in comparison.
Few shows? Most shows...
Still true in late 2021.
@@stephaniegleason7440 A comment on why this is true will not make it past you tube censorship.
This show was possible when American society was relatively sane.
Amazing how as an adult I find Dorothy Kilgallen quite attractive. As a kid I didn't appreciate her beauty. I like seeing these programs now. I'm so glad to be able to see them. I didn't realize she was an investigative reporter. That's an admirable profession.
Know exactly what you mean about watching her when I was a kid. I know now she was a very smart lady.
Shes beautiful, i hate when i hear ppl say she wasn't "classically beautiful" or "your standard beauty" because she most certainly was beautiful. I think she was absolutely stunning.
Joey Heatherton turned and waved to the audience.
The "great blackout" (power outage) in New York City (and much of the North-Eastern US/up into Canada) happened just a day after Dorothy Kilgallen died - November 9 1965. Joan Crawford (who was a close friend of Dorothy's and a fellow resident of New York City) would sadly remark to a companion that the blackout was a "wonderful tribute to Dorothy."
+RivaRidge'72 interesting history--thanks for sharing...
wow interesting fact!
Crawford was no friend
Maybe someday exoneration will occur and the truth will be accepted by the world..
@@emmabradford0137 yes she was. Crawford was even over at Dorothy's home the day of the death.
"I thought you were going to say something about a forward pass" The last words spoken by Dorothy on What's My Line. Forever in the mid 60's, RIP.
Dorothy’s cute word play joke about a “forward pass” was very clever and not in the least rude or crude. Yet Tony Randall touches her reprovingly as if to say cool it. Why?
@@TheIrishrogue68 I thought it was more like a haha nudge
@@gilbertgiles she was quick witted...the football writer seemed like an LGBT though ... 😂....maybe not. Whatever.
@@gilbertgiles Looked to me like he was saying "Good one!"
@@TheIrishrogue68 I'll admit I need the cleverness explained.
An extremely brave woman. She knew she was in trouble and still put on an appearance here.
YOU don't know that.
She knew in what snake pit she was poking. So ofc she knew the risk and what was coming
I was 18 back then, a freshman in college, and was so hot for Joey Heatherton.
RIP Dorothy Kilgallen. I hope someone like Mark Shaw finds justice for you.
I came across this by accident and am hooked on the show. The mannerisms are just awesome.
it is indicative of the 50's.
These reruns are addictive.
Oh my goodness so did I to the point that I searched for Dorothy n found were she was buried in Hawthorn, Gate of heaven ny just 5 min from my house. Wanted to give her my respect
and I bring her flowers every 2weeks R I P DOROTHY 🙏💐❤
@@anaid4718 I cut inscriptions up there in Gate of Heaven. Visited her grave. One of the other panelists is buried up there near her. Bennet Cerf, I think
Me too and I have been binged watching and also watch the writer Shaw talking about his book on who killed Dorothy very interesting
And she was dead less than 24 hrs later.... She was a persistent journalist who, once she picked up on a scent, latched on to it like a pit bull and did not let go!!! Most people say she asked too many questions. Maybe she did.
She mixed sleeping pills with alcohol. That was the bad combination that killed her.
@@SymphonyBrahms Nope. The JFK files mysteriously disappeared. She knew WAY too much.
@@SymphonyBrahms nope
She was murdered
Dorothy Kilgallen, "the most powerful female voice in America"... Let's all just appreciate how happy and kind she was; being sorry for one's death serves no purpose if that one's life is not celebrated.
Dorothy passed on just two years before "WML" finished its phenomenal 17-season run on CBS. Whether Dorothy's passing helped contribute to the series' decline in viewership and eventual cancellation is something we'll never know.
She was murdered by the government, please do not call it "passing".
Good grief, Dorothy was sharp as a tack! She definitely had the knack of getting down to the issue!
20alphabet In her day job she'd been 'getting down' to one of the most significant and harrowing issues of the decade. She was operating on all cylinders in 1965. Although that was about to end before dawn after this episode.
@@davidsanderson5918
Ain't that the truth _!_
That’s what got her killed.
You are correct. Notice her dress, it's different than her normal attire for the show. She was going out on a date with Ron Pataki after the show.
To me, she will always be my favorite----the STAR of the show. I also watched this show as a child because it was one of my mothers favorites.
Saddens me to find the light of this lady went out to soon.
Thank you for these videos. I watched this show as a child and so enjoy seeing these along with the commercials. It is truly sad that this was Dorothy's last show. Those were the day of people being classy both in dress and manners.
I usually give you my thumbs up based only on the delightful content, but it’s your content description that merits my thanks. It’s compassionate, thoughtful, and touched by the same taste and grace and class of Ms. Dorothy herself.
I simply love it when they include the commercials. As it truly brings back such wonderful memories.
Me too, especially the Norelco Christmas commercials where the shaver is sliding down the big hill!
@@cathyburns750 That's mine, too! I can't see it enough. And, that's usually what we got my dad for Christmas!
Everything was beautiful before.💯🌼🌹🌻🍀🏵️
Except for the poison cigarettes.
I grew up with cable TV and have it for good 15 years until my family finally decided to get rid of it in favor of Roku. I kinda miss the good old days of watching commercials on cable. Streaming services is cool and all but it isn't the same anymore.
It's amazing watching this again seeing Spoony Singh as one of the guests. At the time, the Hollywood Wax Museum had only been open for 9 months. Now it's the longest running in the States and is iconic, with millions of people visiting it every year!
yes, and a towering monument to the cultural vapidity of America!
Great place to visit while in the area.
'Goodnight, Tony, please come again' from Dorothy, when we know now she would never come again. Very sad.
What a class act Mr. Daly is. Great game show host too.
It's so sad that Dorothy Kilgallen would die so soon after. She truly was the best panelist on the show. :(
WEll I would say that A rlene Francis would give her a good "run for her money" as faR as being the "best" WML panelist!
Steve Burrus: Arlene was perhaps the most charming of the female panelists but I agree with Beth that Dorothy was the most incisive when it came to guessing wisely and correctly.
Dorothy was murdered! ruclips.net/video/VYDaqto22NY/видео.html Worth your time to watch.
They didn't guess very well at the 1st taping without her.
@@steveburrus5526 you're wrong, hokay?
It's hard to believe that she did the show on Sunday night, and was found dead the next morning (a Monday). And it was the day before the blackout. That is sad. May she rest in peace.
@M M 52
M M healthy other than the alcohol and drugs found in her system. She seemed intoxicated on the show as well, but that’s unremarkable because the panel was usually sloshed.
Orla You can click below to see and hear Arlene Francis sloshed. It is a live telecast on September 15, 1963. It is three-and-a-half months after her car accident on the Northern State Parkway on Long Island, so that can not be a good excuse for her drinking in the Manhattan television studio immediately before the live broadcast starts.
m.ruclips.net/video/cXemTb9jlTQ/видео.html
@@kelloggs5473 Oh, my. Arlene Francis certainly is slurring all over the place. Randall looks a bit uncomfortable while the others laugh at her demonstration of blowing into a bagpipe (!)
@PghCoyote You got that right. In Arlene’s memoir, she said she always had avoided liquor. She was not telling the truth. The book was published in 1978.
I’m 53 and never have seen this show but I found it here on RUclips and have been binge watching it. My favorite has been Dorothy, she is so smart and guesses correctly so often! I’m saddened that she was murdered, she was so pretty and sophisticated.
What a fascinating woman! I imagine it was a treasured experience spending time with her. What charisma and self-confidence! She was a loss for the world, gone too soon. Sadly her death left way more questions than answers.
Every notice how Dorothy spoke to each guest then unlike the others she watched them walk off. So observant
she didn't watch all of them walk off -- she looked down at the sportswriter's exit
I am from Sweden and just love what's My Line..and especially Dorothy. It has becoming like a timetravelling to go back and see theese old episodes. I became very sad to hear that Dorothy died so young and WML was never the same without Dorothy.
joey heatherton is a unique performer whose career did not go as you might expect. she was a beautiful electric performer who just quietly went away.
I saw her at Neiman's in Dallas about 2 years later, and she looked dreadful
"The Dumbing Down of America"....I've seen a number of books and videos asserting this has been occurring. Watching this video from the past verifies that this has occurred, indeed. As well as a "vulgarization" of America. The use of language, the mode of expression, the sense of decency and respect, many of these aspects were on such a higher level back when this was broadcast. What a shame to see that America has declined so greatly.
This is so strange for me, watching this, and knowing Dorothy will be dead in a few hours from when this is broadcast. There's something about knowing the finality of it all, and knowing for sure, that makes this heartbreaking to watch, and it pulls at the heart strings.
My mother was an avid viewer of WML on Sunday nights, but it was my interest in the mysterious death of Dorothy Kilgalen that got me interested in these videos. It was through watching these show I wanted to find out more about this woman as a person. Dorothy did have an extremely interesting life, and although you have to dig for it, there's lots of great stuff out there that doesn't focus just on the conspiracy theories. It's also remarkable they were still broadcasting this show live in 1965, and I'm really getting to see her a mere 4 or 5 hours before she died.
God bless her. RIP
It’s so sad to watch Dorothy Kilgallen on this episode, knowing she will be found deceased the next morning.
Rest In Peace Sweet Dorothy! 😢
Dorothy, you were loved, adored and admired. Still are! R.I.P.
Who could have imagined it was dorothy's last night alive.
I think she was murdered
I say the same thing , surely while Dorothy was in the program, the killer or killers were waiting for her at home.
@@nandofigueira2005 You say so without any evidence. The Manhattan DA reopened the investigation in 2019 and found no evidence of foul play. Case closed.
@@preppysocks209 Interesting, I never knew that. Some will always believe that, however.
@@preppysocks209 54 year old death the evidence would be long gone
The last time Dorothy was seen alive by John Daly, Arlene & Bennett, and by the rest of the production crew.
Vahan Nisanian John Daly’s father in law was the Chief Justice earl warren of the warren commission. But she was actually last seen alive at the regents hotel in the lobby
@@JL0ndon So @vahan was right
@@JL0ndon Regency Hotel, 6 blocks from her townhome.
J.London oh, I didn't know that. Very sad
@rob yohn is there a website or source you can cite?
I've actually met some of these people and had some good talks. Gary Owens was a Marine and had fought through the Pacific Islands , some of his buddies were MIA and being a pilot he flew his own aircraft at his own expense to find them and bring them home, its quite the story. 👍🇺🇸❤
Wow, thanks for sharing that ❤️
Love the old commercials and how formal
the stars are with each other. So smart and respectful
All the panelists look a little more shiny under the lights than usual. To me, Dorothy Kilgallen appears just as bright, convivial and witty as she always does. I don't see any hint in her behavior of what was to come. Thank you for all these WML posts, such a wonderful show.
Funny, I do. Not as "open" as usual.
Murdered and covered-up.
Major thanks to the What’s My Line? channel for sharing all of these wonderful programs with us. Watching this particular episode it’s so difficult to believe that Dorothy would be found dead less than 12 hours after this episode aired (as it aired live at 10:30pm Sunday nights).
Breaks my heart. I don't quite understand... But ever since I was a child I have been obsessed with Dorothy, old Hollywood in general. But specifically What's my Line. I truly believe she was murdered. I'll never believe otherwise. What a beautiful soul we lost that day. It's hard to watch the Frank Sinatra episode about 5 years later with Mia Ferraro. Frank was a bully and an absolute ASS!
RIP Dorothy kilgallen!
Yah, Frank and Dorothy did NOT get along
A very classy and elegant lady. She was, in my opinion, the best one to question the contestants. I’m so sorry Dorothy.
I believe you were going to expose criminal activity and intent.
Goodnight, Dorothy :>(
To "what's My Line"...I want to thank you for posting a top favorite show of my late father....He got us (kids then) to watch it...and we got hooked...and remember the cute banter of the panelist with John....Brings back a lot of warm memories of Sunday nights, back when we were growing up. Best, ^/^ Gerry
They were also under bright, hot TV lights as well.
Tony Randall was the same age all of his life.
RIP Dorothy, you were a gem, such beautiful lady filled with class. Also a brilliant reporter. I remember watching What‘s My Line as a child. I’m so glad to rediscover it on RUclips. Those were the days.
Watching the cigarette commercials and hearing the cat calls for the lady contestants so strange.
Seeing those elegant, beautifully-dressed ladies in the sup-hose commercial, speed-walking around Central Park, was almost a valentine to a now lost New York City.
Edward Bernays rebranded propaganda. He applied the principles of propaganda to marketing.
To overcome “sales resistance” to cigarette smoking among women, Bernays staged a demonstration at the 1929 Easter parade, having fashionable young women flaunt their “torches of freedom.”
To quote on his book Propaganda: "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society."
More on the subject is in the documentary: The Century Of The Self
The winston promos on the Flintstones were the best .
Good old days. I miss them.
Men were men and women were women. Right before feminism took a hold
Awww Dorothy. What an absolute queen. R.I.P.
I would’ve loved to have known Bennett Cerf personally! He just emits so much kindness, humor, warmth! RIP Bennett! 😌😕
I met Bennett once. An extremely intelligent man and a total gentleman.
13:58 I’m glad that Dorothy nailed such an unusual line on her last day.
27:02 And the same that she honed in on this one even though there wasn’t time to pin down the subject. Also that her final guest was a female journalist, which she seemed to appreciate.
I actually have tears rolling down my cheek. I’d never heard of Dorothy before a couple of weeks ago but now I’ve watched so many of these and it’s been a joy. Thank you, Dorothy.
This is a sad day. Watching the shows as you have uploaded them, Gary, has been a communal experience for those of us who love What's My Line. Tonight we see one of the true stars of multimedia in her last performance. And knowing it is Dorothy's last performance casts a shadow over everything. We will miss her. But she gave us 15 years of her life for our enjoyment. Viva Dorothy Killgallen!!!
She was a remarkable, fascinating, complex woman. My admiration for her increased about 100 fold after reading her biography-- before that, I really only knew her via WML. The truth is, though, WML was a relatively minor part of her career, even if it did bring her greatest fame. It's such a shame, among all the other sad aspects of her untimely death, that she never did finish the book Bennett had commissioned from her as far back as 1961, "Murder One". The world of WML-related literature sadly lacks any books self-penned by Dorothy or John (there isn't even a third party biography of John, an oversight I truly don't understand).
I've been a huge fan of WML ever since first watching the reruns on GSN, but watching the shows along with you folks and reading all the great discussions that have been sparked along the way has been far more enjoyable than watching the shows alone!
Did anyone ever find the notes for Dorothy's planned book and try to finish it?
Chris Barat "Murder One" was finished and published by another author whose name escapes me. You may see references to Dorothy's own father finishing the book on her behalf, but this appears to be made up from whole cloth.
David Von Pein
Great job finding such flatteringly attractive screen shots of Dorothy from this episode! Although she certainly did not look like someone who was at death's door (although it turned out she was), I did not think she looked her best in this episode, especially compared to how good she had been looking the previous few weeks. Still you managed to find some quite adorable shots of her -- kudos to you!
***** I'm pretty sure Gil Fates either started or repeated the mistaken notion that James Kilgallen finished "Murder One" in his WML book. I'd have to double check that, though.
Aw, I love Dorothy very much. One of the main reason I watch WML.
Tony Randall: "You should explain football to the two New York professional teams!" ...What a burn!
Jets fans would agree.
It's so sad to know that she was murdered just a few hours later.
I watched this show every week in the 1950's with my parents who loved the show. We were stunned in 1965 when we learned of Dorothy's death. We saw news of her death on the evening CBS News and she was just on the previous night and this is the show. I don't remember this show specifically but I clearly remember seeing the panel and Mr. Daley the night before she passed. Now all the members of this show are gone and so are my parents. Miss them all. I remember being in New York with my folks in 1953 as a young boy and we got into see this show. Does anyone remember where it originated? I was in the 3rd grade and can't remember where in Manhattan we were. But it was exciting to see the main panel and Mr. Daley in person.
+bob lackey ...I, too hail from NYC but one generation removed. I remember seeing the repeats of this show...loved it. I met Tony Randall once in the Bronx, my hometown, campaigning for Bella Abzug. He was a delight and one of my all-time fav movie and tv stars. Blessings to you.
+bob lackey WML was my Father's favorite television show, in fact the only one he had to watch. My Father used to describe Dorothy Kilgallen as "chinless." However, he died a year before.
I remember Spoony Singh standing in front of the Hollywood Wax Museum on Hollywood Blvd touting for customers.
bob lackey, the WML studio later became the Studio 54 disco in the 1970s.
bob lackey, touching comment.
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Sorry about your dear parents. I certainly miss mine too.
"Good night, Tony......please come again..." Dorothy's last words that most of us heard. Yes, very sad.
1965, I was 16 and Joey Heatherton.....well, she was Joey Heatherton. Whew!
Love seeing how all intelligent these folks are. The good old days when New York played a large role in network television.
I’m working on a project about Dorothy and it’s amazing how sharp she was and how quick she was able to solve these questions. I find her an absolutely fascinating figure who needs to be remembered. She fought for her place in a mans world and had a power all her own. She was so driven and committed to her goals. I find it amazing she isn’t more well known.
27:54, 28:10 -- Her Final words on WML. Goodbye darling. thanx for everything.
And even after 15 years, she still loved the game and played to win.
IN MEMORIAM--
DOROTHY KILGALLEN
(1913 - 1965)
I thought I heard her say something about a "forward pass" while Bennett was sayng his goodnight. I couldn't make out the entire sentence.
"I thought Bennett was going to mention a forward pass." Bennett pun on a possible Bennett pun.
LOA1955 Yes she mentioned something or someone, but Randall tried to stop her inconspicuously by nudging her.
I heard her say, "Good night, John. Good night, Tony. Please come again." as her final words on this show. Either way, knowing that this was her final show still has that feeling of sadness despite the passage of time. I love watching these old shows! ;)
From watching this, it's very apparent that American TV has "dumbed down" since those days.
Dorothy was a brilliant panelist. She was witty, very intelligent and amusing. Sad that she died so relatively young.
If only we could freeze frame time and keep her here forever; her wit, cleverness, and supreme good nature just shone through each and every time she smiled at a contestant who stumped or amused her. It's sad to see any life cut down in its prime, and she is no exception.
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Dorothy was such a sweet lady. Rest in Peace. Her life was interesting. This was her last show but nobody knew that then.
May she rest in peace. So sad this happen, I really enjoyed watching her. She really had so much to give.
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