Sandy Hook Dad Attacked
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- Опубликовано: 9 май 2013
- "A Connecticut gun lobbying group on Wednesday personally attacked the father of a Sandy Hook school massacre victim, accusing him of "profitting off of the tragedy" and saying a decade-old drug arrest makes him a "poster boy" for background check ineffectiveness." Cenk Uygur ( / cenkuygur ) discusses the attack by Sean Hannity and other gun advocates on Neil Heslin.
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I'm in favor of gun ownership but leave this guy alone, he's already a victim.
some sanity
Why do I scroll through the comments, when I know all I will find are insensitive, ignorant pricks saying "it's a lie" and "get over it"?
(rhetorical question)
+Harold Saive I truly hope you do not have children
Because there all weirdos who want to see a nine year old corpse just to proof whatever.
You can write it 1000 times, it will never change the fact that your gun against a drone is useless.
The idea you need to defend from the govt you voted for, is just crazy.
The very thought that the govt is going to attack you with the army, is paranoia.
I bet all these people commenting 2 years ago about how this was a government ploy feel really stupid right now. 👌
Some are still standing by their claims. Being stubborn as hell will do that to you
Have you ever even asked WHY we question SANDY HOOK?
We need to find a cure for conservatism.
I hate to say I got rather distracted by the blonde in the background.
I'm a gun owner and I'm disappointing and angered that anybody would attack that father. He went through the most horrific and tragic thing that any person could go through. He is fighting for what he believes in, which is his right as an American. Connecticut Carry you are a bunch of disrespectful pieces of shit. You should be ashamed of yourself. You need to AS&D for how you treated that man.
In 50 years America will look back on this time in history and laugh at how stupid everyone was.
I'm sorry to suggest this, i can expect some hate from this, but let's just be a little more rational here.
People shouldn't be able to carry firearms outside of their houses, and even inside their own homes, these weapons shouldn't be anything more than a pistol or a revolver.
Why the fuck do people want assault rifles or smgs in their fucking homes? That shit is dangerous as all hell and usually has a 30 mag round capacity.
A capacity to kill 30 people all in one gun!
I understand if you want a sidearm to protect yourself, and keep your home safe, so why not relinquish some "gun rights" in exchange for better security?
Make it so EVERYONE can only possess a very limited amount of guns so that the police forces can never fear the fact that the guys behind a door might be packing more than the goddamn police!
I'm sure the criminals will follow that.
+KRIMZONMEKANISM If the police have them the citizens can have them.... because the police don't rule, they don't have more rights because they dress in fancy dress and take on a role....I don't like guns, i wish they didn't exist, but they do....and if they're in the hands of authority under authority under authority the amount of accountability degrades quickly. i'm sure the police have automatic weapons...i'm sure they walk around with them, i'm sure they use them alot...so why are we not calling for the disarming of everybody? because safety isn't what this is about, it's about control.
Gun control harms more than it helps. Knowing that a burglar could break into my house anytime, it's very nice to have the security of an Ar15 if he comes in with a rifle or shotgun and tries to kill me. Sorry, your dead children shouldn't compromise my safety. I know it sounds cold but I have to think of MY KIDS.
Anyone with a young son is touched by this mans story, that is what he is reflecting.
i havent watched tyt in quite some time, could someone please tell me whats up with their new "studio"? where are they filming now?
Is there a reason the camera keeps making subtle movements?
Murdering a person is a crime. Owning a gun isn't.
Track each guns, have an internal serial number on each gun that places ownership of said guns. Gun owners need to be responsible for everything, whether their guns are stolen or anything. Most guns on the streets are stolen. Fact.
No, harassing parents of murdered children is about as evil as it gets.
Question, What's this new studio?
What you think of what the CC guys have done in this case?
What is up with the new studio?
I'm talking about how a Fertilizer Plant in West Texas exploded because the corporation ignored safety, and led to the death of atleast 15 people, and injured over a hundred, while destroying 150 buildings, including a clinic and an elementary school...
Can you guess how the corporation was punished?
Not for private sales in many states.
Dude has also been accused of passing bad checks and other business-related fraud. "Profiting" is exactly the right word.
this isnt their regular studio. I don't know why they're there though...
thank you
haha you're trolling has me in pieces. comedy is in your natural, Lex!
So where's the source? Link please.
to attack someone on such shallow grounds shows the lack of character the leadership this group has. its american to fight for your rights and to stand for what you believe. but this is unamerican in every sense of the term. I dont fucking care if he is a wanted felon with tax evasion, overdue child support and a un registered voter. his son died due to gun violence. you let him beat that drum period.
Whenever there is a mass shooting involving kids, most parents go hug their own kids and worry about them in school. And gun people go hug their rifle and worry about people taking it away. Good to see gun people have their priorities straight.
Holy cow this was in 2013..time flies
the problem is that these crimes barely get even charged let alone served. our legal system is fucked up.
oh please.
This is heartbreaking I just can't watch this :''(
That is quite the intelligent response to my argument. Its always nice to see people who can articulate their thoughts in such a mature and comprehensive manner. :P
I think Neil Heslin should sue them for defamation of character and slander.
So the moral of this story is that if you underwent some sort of tragedy you are supposed to be untouchable?
Dude, I lived in a country which has gun control, ZERO mass shootings. While the US has 63 mass shootings from 1982-present. 14 just from 2010 - present.
SO, if drug laws don't take away 100% of drugs, there is no point in having drug laws?
2/2
300.000 guns are stolen each year. Think about that, thats 300.000 guns going from legal to illegal hands, each fucking year.
How is this happening? Three words: Irresponsible Gun Owners.
1. Require a gun certificate, like the drivers license.
2. Require that the gun is always stored in a gun safe.
3. All guns must be registrered, and you have to verify that you still have them every 2nd year. If you lost your gun due to reckless storage, you loose your license.
Cont...
Exactly. Cannot believe most of what I'm reading.
Yeah because sarcasm carries so well OVER THE INTERNET! -.-'
I agree.
Tell me how, exactly, your gun can defend yourself from the govt.
I have a hard time picturing out the link that should be among:
The govt makes laws - I have a gun - I'll fix the problem.
I think that's x Factor in the back where is this filmed
I'm pro gun, I was against this bill, but that letter goes way to far, and frankly should not exist. There's no partisan posturing against a victim's father that will make anyone look like anything but a monster.
In Michigan, I know plenty of people who have CCW's and they did not have any trouble getting one. Of course, they provided references, were never arrested before, and were not taking psycho medications, but they passed their background checks.
I know! No body should be aloud one.
They keep using that phrase "law abiding citizen". If they really are mentally sound, law abiding citizens, then they have nothing to fear from a background check.
If the more guns you have, the more murder you have, why isn't everyone in America dead by now? How can the population continue to grow?
The US ranks #1 in private gun ownership. The rate of private gun ownership in the United States is 101.05 firearms per 100 people(Gun policy org) or 88.8 (Wikipedia, 2007).That's insane compared to any other country, yet the murder rate is only 4.8.
wow...
Yep, when I talked about gun statistics I gave people a site where they could look it up for each country. If you make a claim then you need to provide some way to verify it.
My cab driver friend, an NRA competitive shooter, was robbed. Four guys took a ride and when it was time to pay their fare, they pulled a gun instead. They got the drop on him and he was unable to draw and shoot. Asked why he did not pursue and shoot at them. He said, I got away cheap - the price of a fare. It wasn't worth going after and shooting them. he was an intelligent gun owner. He showed more courage than the Connecticut Carry group with this smear.
We are the militia. You have not done your research.
I agree!
wait what?
I never said anything about disarmament (though Feinstein has), but the threat of "assault weapons" bans or "high capacity" magazine bans are more than enough to cause firearms sales to spike. Given the choice between 'now' or 'never', it's not a particularly tough choice for gun owners or prospective gun owners.
He's using the pathetic excuse that his only kid got killed as a reason to lobby for gun control while the good gun carrying people of Connecticut are crying into their magazines. Does he have no shame? You people bleat about constitutional rights yet when this heartbroken man stands up for his rights you shoot him down with no compassion whatsoever. This is beneath contempt. Its disgusting.
yes
How do you defend your family?
After Australia introduced gun control, crimes related to guns went down by 18%. Suicide by guns went down. Violence overall related to guns went down. Did you know that every year, 8500 odd people get killed in gun violence every year?
Where is Cenk?
Attacking a murdered 6yo boy's father in his grief is obviously insensitive and cruel. His legal issues are a separate matter.
To suggest his sons murder "doesn't count" or his grief "doesn't matter" due to legal issues is sick. If true, then when you get pulled over and issued a traffic ticket, someone can kill your child. NO! Your child is just as precious as Neil's son. To suggest otherwise is sick, twisted and 100% un-American. It puts you in the same camp as Westboro Baptist Church.
than what's the answer?
Last week they reported $20.1M in total donations to date. That's ~$1M per family.
What you don't get is that at least half of the democide in the US happens between relatives and aquaintances or work related. You know, citizens without criminal record just freaking out in a domestic situation in a fight, out of jealousy, because of money etc.
And in the US the killing is made so easy and effective because anyone can get guns everywhere, easy to avoid any checks, no registry, no confiscation of guns from criminals, no proper mandatory gun safety at home, guns in public.
I'm Lithuanian. High unemployment and alcoholism are the main factors. It's unfair to continue to paint Lithuania as an ex-Soviet state. The country regained independence 23 years ago. We're, unfortunately, members of both the EU and NATO, the UN lists Lithuania as a country with high human development index.
Poverty is rampant in the US too, as Cornel West and Tavis Smiley point out. One would expect the murder rate in US to be at least 10 times as high than it is. Why is it so low?
It's called "Sarcasm" The dude I'm replying to wants to ban pressure cookers.
1. Many people define it as an assault weapons because the actual definition includes semi-automatics.
2. And that still equals around 11k gun homicides a year, which is FAR more than most other countries. I understand why you want to try to minimize it in any way possible but it doesn't change the fact that it is still a problem. 11,000 people murdered by guns isn't exactly insignificant. And 17k average for overall murders is a problem as well.
Did they get a new office?
1. She passed her background checks.
2. Whether anybody is disturbed or not is not known unless they actually visit a doctor.
3. Doctor has responsibility to the patient not to release such information to anybody and gov't would have to issue court order, and this cannot be done without probable cause. Unless buying a gun in your mind is now a 'probable cause', gov't cannot find out if the woman is disturbed EVEN if she visited a doctor.
Thus again, how big a police state would you like?
I feel so bad, you people are probably thinking just have another kid, No when you at a certain age you can't have anymore children jessie was his only son and the son of a bxtch took his life away so know his family is more shorter because people just have to make the world a bad place
No amount of gun law in American would prevent a shooting like that done with OTHER people's guns, where the shooter didn't have to acquire the guns himself at all.
" the few times people do try vote twice we've caught them"
We've caught SOME. Just because you catch 3 people sneaking marijuana into a Pink Floyd concert doesn't mean EVERYONE with pot has been caught. By your logic, it's safe to say, "Hey, only 3 people brought pot to the concert tonight out of 22,000 people"
2:12 I forgot what Cenk was talking about ??
Spot on.
Even criminals don`t deserve to lose their kids....
We already have background checks, I can't go into a gunstore and walk out with an AR-15, I need to go through a federal background check, and fill out the forms.
"the laws on guns right now and appallingly ineffective."
Are they? The country is flooded with guns yet the murder rate is only 4.8 Sure, it's more than we'd like it to be and it's higher than in most industrialized countries but it's still not that big. Violent crimes in the U.S. is down fifth year in a row, gun ownership is also on the decline.
But Connecticut has laws allowing armed guards protecting money and jewelry but not children. Makes sense to me.
Ok I now have serveral questions to ask you:
1. Why do you think all the guns are going to be taken away?
2. Why do you think people need access to assult rifles?
3. If hunting is illegal in America how could we get rid of all the guns?
4. Do you know the reason guns are registered in the first place is so if a crime should be commited with a gun and the gun is found the gun can be traced to the owner?
"Waking up" and being dumb enough to believe in conspiracy theories are two different things.
So you're saying voting is as danergous as owning a lethal weapon? Or that owning a weapon is as important as voting?
rifles are responsible for less than 1% of gun murders, talking about messed up priorities....
I have to agree with you on this one.
in your mind
What about digging into this lobbying group membership and find anything against any of its members?
makes sense.
Why do you have to keep flagging?
But the NRA using people fears of dangerous people with guns is OK? Hypocritical much?
if u get caught possessing a felony amount of weed you will lose ur rights to own guns
i wish all this people who accuse him of profiteering from loosing son by fighting for gun control , loos a a love one by guns maybe then they will feel some sympathy.
when it comes to this topic, they are known to and always have exploited it to the point of it being sickening.
a lot of people fall into the trap of agreeing with everything he says, no matter what history, facts, and our rights differ. its very sad.
He's not worried about law abiding gun owners, said it right in the video...
No one is saying lets ban all guns. You haven't heard a single politicians say that. What people are saying is that we have to take a responsible approach to gun ownership and acknowledge the problem of gun violence in our society. And fyi, using anecdotal situations as scare tactics to appeal to me emotionally aren't going to work. Even if you have a gun it doesn't mean you're safe. You have a false sense of security.
5:10: what "WE" should do about "gun rights".
There are no gun rights.
There are no gay rights.
There are no women rights.
There are no worker rights.
There are no minority rights.
There are no children rights.
etc.
There are ONLY individual rights. Individuals have the rights and government has authority. Gov't has authority that is GRANTED to it by the Constitution.
The Constitution DOES NOT grant authority to the government to limit individual rights in any way related to guns.
If more guns equals more safety then why does Iceland practically have a zero percent crime rate? They have strict gun laws.
No - I have to agree.
I'm from connecticut did all the courses and got my permit...me and my wife. I dont mind background checks no big deal. The people attacking this man are disgusting, after this im no longer a member of ct carry.
just to take your point even further, the constitution was written when the US army didn't have tanks, planes, aircraft carriers, long range missiles and a host of other advanced weapons. in other words it was written at a time when armed citizens could actual fight against a corrupted government and stand a chance. If some armed group was to even attempt a violent revolution they would get utterly destroyed, so in no way does owning a gun protect you from a corrupt government.
how is making sure a violent felon or an extremely mental unstable person doesn't get a gun hurting your liberty?
Why be sorry? These are the same people who believe Obama is Kenyan.