I remember consciously starting to tuck my pelvis in because I was self aware of my anterior pelvic tilt- and ended up internalizing the tucking to such a degree that I'm now dealing with the consequences of posterior pelvic tilt. This, to me, is all the evidence I need to know that it absolutely is a matter of making an active decision and integrating it into the subconscious, and a neuromuscular connection.
Thank you. I've been following your advice for a couple weeks and I'm already noticing improvement. I was previously causing more harm than good. It is so helpful when you demonstrate what a neutral posture looks like. I'm autistic and have dyspraxia and hypermobile connective tissue so posture has always been a great difficulty for me.
What shook me up to this was considering that the definition of posture is the shape you predominantly inhabit. So changing the posture is about changing the shape your predominantly in - not so much supplemental exercises. Finding the proper neutral when you're proprioceptive baseline is way off is super difficult, and trying to keep a good posture without forcing or clenching it is really tough...
Very interesting explanation. I stumbled across a similar person who shared the same viewpoints as you, and I do share them myself. Having tried many different types of corrective exercises for my own issues, I realized that if I don't change my movement habits during the day, the exercises are COMPLETELY useless. Having said that, I do think that corrective exercises help us become a little more aware of what is good movement and what is bad movement, but they are not the be all end all to fixing any MSK injuries. Habits are really, the main source to attack. Also, when I read your articles, I definitely agree that people do want a quick fix to their problems. The quickest "Fixes" are medicine, corrective exercises, manual therapy, and sometimes surgery. They have their places in the rehab program, but none of these mean anything if you don't fix what you do in the other 22-23 hours of the day.
You can set timer to go off every 20 minutes to check posture or to stand up...there are also tools like 'upright posture necklace' that you wear and it buzzes everytime you slouch forward
I have heard so many different things about posture from so many different professionals both on youtube, and in clinics. I have found that for me, forcing my posture has made me worse. I started with just neck pain, i became obsessed with posture. I began being hyper conscious about my posture and forcing myself more upright all day. Now my whole back is a mess, and I have tons of trigger points. During this time I was also doing countless postural exercises. Overtime my posture did get significantly more upright, but my back pain worsened. When I decided to let myself slump again I started to feel relief. I have a hard time finding balance as I have OCD, but I found forced posture to be ineffective for pain relief in my case.
OCD and bracing is your problem, not the posture. You need to learn to hold the posture without clenching up. It's possible, but sadly very difficult for this patient group.
@Isak Tougaard have you been able to accomplish this new state of relaxation yourself? I followed along with a couple youtube videos of nidra yoga last night. It was way more like guided meditation than I expected. However i did feel extremely relaxed and i could see this potentially being a solution. Ill try to stay consistent with it!
@@MSKNeurology I mean....how is this how billions of people live every day? Billions of people aren't holding good posture "actively without clenching". They have no pain (often with bad posture) but we sufferers have horrible pain whether we get into passive good posture, active good posture, exercises, stretches, etc. "You need to learn to hold the posture without clenching up. It's possible, but sadly very difficult" That's the most depressing thing I've ever read and leaves me feeling like I'll be in pain until I die.
Agreed. I do believe that posture is about exercising the brain rather than the muscles. Poor posture in the general population is more about a subpar neuromuscular connection. I believe one must train the brain by enforcing a new, more beneficial habit than the older one when it comes to posture. Obviously if you have a severe spinal case like scoliosis, one needs a much more serious and rigorous intervention, but the poor posture plaguing the modernized world is about training the brain. Just a view i currently hold on this subject.
more you want to do posture exercises ..and more you want to make something correct you put the tension into everything and makes you and your muscles into the stress. I saw a lot videos on yt about posture..it made me feel better for some time..and now..my total back muscles are getting worse..the pain is increasing
The most logical explanations i have seen so far.. I did all the exercises for fixing my posture and deformations exactly what they recommend on youtube. It ended getting worse..
I work while sitting down. Its just Impossible to mantain the correct position without relaxing. I.ve. Been trying for a month. Wouldnt a back brace help in my case? Just when im working.
I know this sounds silly but I realized that I never flex my toes at all. I don’t know if it’s because I’m flat footed and have poor circulation in extremities or what. But when standing straight up am I supposed to clinch the ground with my toes? What about when walking and running?
This is old, but he's right I constantly have to correct myself on my posture all day. I can only hope that after some time I won't have to correct myself anymore.
I have bad posture, when I try to fix my posture intentionally all my my muscles get contract, mostly my abdomen muscle, back muscles, neck, I can't even breathe normally while fixing my posture. All these are normal I mean it's very hard to fix it. How long have to practice intentionally to get good posture ?
I tend to disagree. I'm training calisthenics from 4 weeks now. I'm paying much attention to technique of the scapula and I can say I have huge improvements. And that is without eve thinking about fixing my posture. But there is not a single person who can stay upfront all day without slouching even a little bit. That is phisically impossible
Thank you. Very well said! We need to be aware of our posture and offcourse i think you agree special exercising helps as well to this direction. Is most of a subconscious matter one can achieve through repetition or other ways
do you think winged scapula is fixable? I've done many exercises but no results and my bodybuilding seems to only make it worst I don't know what to do
I remember consciously starting to tuck my pelvis in because I was self aware of my anterior pelvic tilt- and ended up internalizing the tucking to such a degree that I'm now dealing with the consequences of posterior pelvic tilt. This, to me, is all the evidence I need to know that it absolutely is a matter of making an active decision and integrating it into the subconscious, and a neuromuscular connection.
Best channel especially if it comes to shoulder problems on youtube
Thank you. I've been following your advice for a couple weeks and I'm already noticing improvement. I was previously causing more harm than good. It is so helpful when you demonstrate what a neutral posture looks like. I'm autistic and have dyspraxia and hypermobile connective tissue so posture has always been a great difficulty for me.
You have great insight. Your articles and videos have helped me 10x more than any physio I have seen in person.
What shook me up to this was considering that the definition of posture is the shape you predominantly inhabit. So changing the posture is about changing the shape your predominantly in - not so much supplemental exercises.
Finding the proper neutral when you're proprioceptive baseline is way off is super difficult, and trying to keep a good posture without forcing or clenching it is really tough...
Very interesting explanation. I stumbled across a similar person who shared the same viewpoints as you, and I do share them myself. Having tried many different types of corrective exercises for my own issues, I realized that if I don't change my movement habits during the day, the exercises are COMPLETELY useless. Having said that, I do think that corrective exercises help us become a little more aware of what is good movement and what is bad movement, but they are not the be all end all to fixing any MSK injuries. Habits are really, the main source to attack.
Also, when I read your articles, I definitely agree that people do want a quick fix to their problems. The quickest "Fixes" are medicine, corrective exercises, manual therapy, and sometimes surgery. They have their places in the rehab program, but none of these mean anything if you don't fix what you do in the other 22-23 hours of the day.
This makes perfect sense, yet most likely the most difficult thing to change, by far ! Thanks . . .
Hard and effective!
It’s only difficult if you make it difficult in. Your head
I totally agree. Excellent point and video.
As I tried to correct my forward head posture with chin tucks and other exercise,I started feeling tensions around my neck,so I just stopped.
Guess what muscles are there?
You can set timer to go off every 20 minutes to check posture or to stand up...there are also tools like 'upright posture necklace' that you wear and it buzzes everytime you slouch forward
I don't like those. It is really not that hard to motivate oneself to check their habits. Don't rely on support wheels
I have heard so many different things about posture from so many different professionals both on youtube, and in clinics. I have found that for me, forcing my posture has made me worse. I started with just neck pain, i became obsessed with posture. I began being hyper conscious about my posture and forcing myself more upright all day. Now my whole back is a mess, and I have tons of trigger points. During this time I was also doing countless postural exercises. Overtime my posture did get significantly more upright, but my back pain worsened. When I decided to let myself slump again I started to feel relief. I have a hard time finding balance as I have OCD, but I found forced posture to be ineffective for pain relief in my case.
OCD and bracing is your problem, not the posture. You need to learn to hold the posture without clenching up. It's possible, but sadly very difficult for this patient group.
@@MSKNeurology ill look into the differences! Thanks!
@Isak Tougaard thank you! I will try this. I didnt believe in this kind of stuff at the beginning of my pain journey, but i do now. Thanks
@Isak Tougaard have you been able to accomplish this new state of relaxation yourself? I followed along with a couple youtube videos of nidra yoga last night. It was way more like guided meditation than I expected. However i did feel extremely relaxed and i could see this potentially being a solution. Ill try to stay consistent with it!
@@MSKNeurology I mean....how is this how billions of people live every day? Billions of people aren't holding good posture "actively without clenching". They have no pain (often with bad posture) but we sufferers have horrible pain whether we get into passive good posture, active good posture, exercises, stretches, etc.
"You need to learn to hold the posture without clenching up. It's possible, but sadly very difficult"
That's the most depressing thing I've ever read and leaves me feeling like I'll be in pain until I die.
Agreed. I do believe that posture is about exercising the brain rather than the muscles. Poor posture in the general population is more about a subpar neuromuscular connection. I believe one must train the brain by enforcing a new, more beneficial habit than the older one when it comes to posture. Obviously if you have a severe spinal case like scoliosis, one needs a much more serious and rigorous intervention, but the poor posture plaguing the modernized world is about training the brain. Just a view i currently hold on this subject.
you are like cutting edge, man. you're great, thank you.
Good point. I find it easier to not slouch after laying on my back on a swiss ball. Presumably it relaxes the shortened muscles up front.
I really damaged my neck after months of mostly laying in bed! I believe this now!
Michael Dooley what do you mean and how did you fix it?
makes sense cause I had covid was very ill and after that started having upper cervical issues
@@karlinhahf How are you doing now? I'm in the same boat.
more you want to do posture exercises ..and more you want to make something correct you put the tension into everything and makes you and your muscles into the stress. I saw a lot videos on yt about posture..it made me feel better for some time..and now..my total back muscles are getting worse..the pain is increasing
Great videos, your approach really seems competent. Keep it up, the world need people like you! And me who can see how great you are!
You're too kind bro, thanks
The most logical explanations i have seen so far.. I did all the exercises for fixing my posture and deformations exactly what they recommend on youtube. It ended getting worse..
Check out Dr Evan Osar.
I work while sitting down. Its just Impossible to mantain the correct position without relaxing. I.ve. Been trying for a month. Wouldnt a back brace help in my case? Just when im working.
What about people with TOS who lack the ability to hold that posture due to TOS caused weakness?
Try harder.
@@MSKNeurology hot take. "try harder". really cool... you must be a dream to work with
I know this sounds silly but I realized that I never flex my toes at all. I don’t know if it’s because I’m flat footed and have poor circulation in extremities or what. But when standing straight up am I supposed to clinch the ground with my toes? What about when walking and running?
Legend.
So many videos on youtube saying we can fix our posture with hanging and gym maneuvers.
are these not a thing?
According to an MRI of my thoracic spine i have a hyperextension or straightening of my thoracic spine. How would you go about treating this malady?
This is old, but he's right I constantly have to correct myself on my posture all day. I can only hope that after some time I won't have to correct myself anymore.
Could you make a video with more detail about how to find neutral posture?
First of all what is a neutral posture? And why would you want one.
@@ryanthompson3446 huh?
@@katie1897 how do you define your posture being neutral? And how can you prove you actually want to be there? I'm asking a honest question.
@@ryanthompson3446 no idea. Posted this 2 years ago and I don’t even remember what this video said.
It all comes down to body awareness and being present, 2 things that are sorely lacking in the general population...
What do you think of the postural restoration institute?
I have bad posture, when I try to fix my posture intentionally all my my muscles get contract, mostly my abdomen muscle, back muscles, neck, I can't even breathe normally while fixing my posture. All these are normal I mean it's very hard to fix it. How long have to practice intentionally to get good posture ?
I have this as well! As soon as I try to have good posture I can't breathe hahaha
I tend to disagree. I'm training calisthenics from 4 weeks now. I'm paying much attention to technique of the scapula and I can say I have huge improvements. And that is without eve thinking about fixing my posture. But there is not a single person who can stay upfront all day without slouching even a little bit. That is phisically impossible
tribal people always have good posture. stfu.
The journey is the reward.
you need to consistently do it throughout the day right? like managing your posture, this is my take before the video starts
Yes
If someone has been diagonsed with cci and aai could changing posture correct this
Thank you. Very well said! We need to be aware of our posture and offcourse i think you agree special exercising helps as well to this direction. Is most of a subconscious matter one can achieve through repetition or other ways
When the student is ready, the teacher appears.
do you think winged scapula is fixable? I've done many exercises but no results and my bodybuilding seems to only make it worst I don't know what to do
@Westward Thinking will do thank you. How long did it take for you to fix it?
@Westward Thinking did you just follow him with his youtube videos and articles or is there a program to follow with him?
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My left shoulder is raised and my trap is always flexed due to an injury. What que should I use to keep my shoulder down?
Nonsense
Same issue for me
well said. if u donot correct your posture , execise donot work.
Ya.u pinned it..most important thing that was missing
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It’s basically PRI.
No.
Your on Facebook
Take a lazy video game kid and have him do pull ups and push ups for a month
Fix his posture in no time.
No it may make it worse dude