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- Опубликовано: 13 авг 2024
- The Cone Valve Technology has been one of the biggest innovations in front fork technology of the last decade, but what’s all the fuss around them?
Let’s find out!
0:00 Intro
0:31 Anatomy of the Cone Valve
1:00 How it works
2:27 Cone Valve VS Traditional MSV
4:12 Benefit of Cone Valve
5:13 How to tune the Cone Valve
5:52 Announcement! & End
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Once again you have made one of the best suspension videos on RUclips. The cone valve doesn't seem like it would cost much more money to make, why do you think that they just don't come stock or standard on the bikes?
Thaaaank you man! The cone valve is ideal for really tough riders and really hard pace riding, more like enduro gp or even rally! For everyday joe doesn't seem to bring the value it brings to more elite riding
Conevalves where invested by Mr. Pfeiffer in Germany in the 80`s because it avoids the "hydraulic lock" of conventional shim systems at very< high speeds. It was not invented by WP.
Excellent, Excellent, Excellent! Thank you for the video Luis. The side by side comparison between the shim based valves and the cone valves is very helpful. Cheers 🚀
Thank you dear Ariel! 🙌 you never skip a beat 💪
Easy design, good idea to try especially on rear shock with strong falling leverate ratio.
On really big, square-edge type hits, the cone/poppet/spool valves have a big pressure spike that you don't get with shim valving. Shims can also react _a lot_ faster than something that has to physically move to uncover a hole.
I don't see why the cone would give a pressure spike
btw this channel is a damn hidden gem!
Ahah! Thank you! 😄
It functions similar to the RaceTech cartridge emulator which uses a disk with coil spring. The big secret is the spring. Nice graphics. Thanks for posting.
Thanks! No matter how genial, it is a simple idea and easy to build. How is then the enormous cost of CV forks justified?
You're paying the innovation (and all the r&d behind it), not only the build cost 😉
@@StepstoPodium sure, but somebody will soon clone the design…
We'll have to wait and see! 😄
@@miro_syou are also paying for all cnc and coated parts with tighter tolerances vs stock forks.
Outro magnífico vídeo, inglês e subtitles 👍🔝👏👏👏👏👏👏
Muito obrigado! As legendas não perdem 😜
excellent. I have a question . when you talk about the balance of the base valve and the mid valve. softening the mid valve must also be done in the base valve? thank you
Thank you! It will depend on the degree of the change but it should be taken into account :)
Awesome video
Great video, why are cone valve so expensive. It looks simple enough.
You are not paying for the manufacturing process, you're paying for the innovation and R&D behind finding a simple solution to a tricky problem 🙂🙌
How do you think about conevalve vs kyb inserts ? I have kub inserts from technical touch. I like them for sure but never tried conevalves and still curious. I ride mx track and also cross country (c class rider)
I think the cone valve is really good for an aggressive rider for example 🙂
Be cool see video on mxtech forks and shock and how different is along with suspsion101 sprungmid(like a convalve) valve and gobblers(has h/l speed comp for base valve)
The Raven Cartridge kit arrived this week and will have an offroad engineered video dedicated to it 😄💪
Need to check that out.
i see this coming into MTB Suspension too in a few years, given its Advantages and reliability, and maybe even esier to produce and assemble
Why not put cone valves on both sides of both the main and mid-speed dampers?
It simply doesn't make sense to have that kind of valve on the base valve, it would make the overall suspension behaviour very hard to adjust, even with the adjustability it provides.
@@StepstoPodium Fair enough. Is there anything stopping it from being on both sides of the mid-speed valve, though?
The rebound valve doesn't need to have such complex and elaborate valves. What's available already covers all the needs you might have. On rebound you jest need to control the extension of the spring, that's all.
This is not accurate, because the WP mid valve is more restrictive than say a kyb or Showa. So when the cone is open all the way it’s still more restrictive due to the port entrance hence the delta shims on the reb side. Also it’s common on kyb and aer to run a leaf spring shim setup giving a broader range to be in the sweet spot.
At the very least, I'd say it's a debatable point.
Great video but I will never consider buying a bike with WP. If you need to put +2000€ in a bike, just to get it to work properly. Well, than the suspension is not good at all. Even worse when the bike costs 1500-2000 more than their competitors from start.
Agreed... It's disgusting that I find myself here watching this video because the WP XPLOR fork on my brand new $13K bike sucks so bad. 😞
It this like an old-school is better thing?
90% of average riders don’t take the time to set the bike up. I have a 2022 gasgas ex250f and it’s the best stock suspension for riding woods and trails that I have ever rode. It struggles on moto, but play riding, trails, mixed woods, it’s excellent. Also have a 2024 250SXF and it’s bone stock and excellent. Took a few hours to figure out where I want clickers and sag, but it’s money.
@joelballard4955 completely agree with you!!!
one would think that increasing the spring weight on the mid valve shimstack would do the same but that probably changes the curve hmm. noob's POV
Now this makes me wonder why these subtle changes are costing thousands of dollars. 😂
Lot's of money for a suspension that doesn't work!!!
I go with the state of the art black Jack suspension from MX TECH USA. ( THE WIZARD JEREMY WILKEY)