There's no secret, Ben Hogan and all of the old greats already explained the golf swing in full detail. Tiger in this video is talking about staying connected with the hips and arms for more control vs. power flipping for distance. Again a re-hash of what Hogan talked about. And of course, practice, practice and more practice.
I found this out by trial and error. also keeping the back to the target for longer than usual and letting the arms go first, is a GREAT way to become a BALL STRIKER.
I believe it's like Mike Austin taught. You let your arms move your body. When I focus on just hitting the ball with my hands my body does what it's supposed to and doesn't over react it simply gets out of the way for my swing plane.
My swing is home grown / self taught meaning I have never done a swing analysis or gone to a teacher. I am a “weekend” golfer, and in the summer time maybe play twice a week. Three years ago I broke 80 for the first time shooting a 77. I have a very short back swing. I noticed when I would need to hit a “punch” shot I came back short and low, and even though I was not swinging full the ball traveled far. I started focusing on contact, making a solid swing and really turning through it. I hit more consistently and my distance is fine for me. I hit my 8 iron 145-155 yards and driver about 260 yards. I am not considered a long hitter by any means, but it’s controlled. This works for me and I can control my timing into the shot much better then when I try to take the club way high to parallel. You could say I could swing my club in a phone booth. It’s compact but I trap the ball well with solid contact and I’ve been able to do this by shortening my back swing and powering through arms coming down the turning through the shot with my lower body.
231swift: I am 35 yrs old. My golfing background is long but not consistent. I started playing while in H.S. In rural TN my grandfather played and gave me an old 1970 set of irons with dry rotted grips and a plastic milk crate of dirty beat up balls he found and kept. We lived down a 5 mile dead end gravel one lane road and we had a tobacco feild next to it with a wood power pole almost center. I would hit balls that pole and go pick them up. Growing up we had nothing else to do we played outside. I quit playing or never seriously for awhile then at about 26 I started up again and bought a decent “Walmart” set of clubs, Dunlap’s actually. I’m not a great player but I work at it and try to understand the swing. We have cold winters and I got tired of coming into spring “rusty” and playing awful. Now I am working more than ever on correcting my bad swings habits I developed on my own and getting better by proper swing mechanics. I will never have a professional awesome swing, but I working to make my swing better with proper techniques, practice and playing. After I broke 80 I told myself when I do I’ll upgrade equipments. My irons are Bridgestone j36 pocket cavity 5-PW , taylormade RBZ driver 10.5 stiff, 4 RBZ hybrid 21 degree, Taylormade R7 3 and 5 woods, and Taylormade 56 / 52 RAC wedges. Basically pieced together a set overtime
For those of you already comfortable with the basic fundamentals of the golf swing but struggle a bit with consistency with iron shots, ie; flipping the club, scooping, trying to help it up in the air, never leaving a divot, no consistent yardages....Try this. Let your swing thought be that you want to hit the ball into the ground. That you literally want to strike it down into the earth where it sits. Your club would need negative loft to actually do that and since your club has positive loft the ball will feel like it is pinching of the ground and will rocket skyward with a penetrating ball flight. Try it next time your are at the range hitting off real grass. That simple swing thought changed my iron game forever. All of a sudden all my irons had different yardages, I was leaving a divot after the ball and iron play turned into my favorite part of the game instead of the part I dreaded. Remember to practice it for awhile and when you finally rip your first one the right way, you will instantly know what a pure strike with an iron feels like and you will be addicted. Happy golfing.
Last 5 rounds 71, 72, 76, 71, 74 focusing on "throwing" instead of rotating... I have never been more consistent. This is a secret because so many teachers are teaching it backwards with the hips and rotation. Brendon... you have done an excellent job exposing this and this is a great vid that I will be sharing
Flip I think we’re getting this wrong by saying instructors have got this backwards. I could just as easily say my thoughts were to leave my hands alone and rotate as much as I possibly can. This led to me shooting 71,69,64,67. Just because a “feel” works for you, that does not mean it should be taught universally. If you listen closely every instructor in this video recognized that the pelvis does initiate the swing. Their argument was that an arm leading “feel” would mentally click better for most players. My argument is that this is being marketed as THE SWING SECRET. I think it’s just as counter productive as the rotational instructors marketing their method is the best. More big picture 💡. Why not focus on establishing Macro Goals, test yourself to see where you are currently, create a way to monitor your progress, and constantly adapt and progress your goals. Why is it that “We have the best Swing Method” Marketing approaches still work in this industry? Even though the average handicap has not reduced? It’s because you the consumer need to hold US the Industry to higher level of scrutiny. Go look at any high level place of learning. They would laugh at the way we try to translate our knowledge to the students.
mikesogacademy ...so this wasnt about a feel, at all. But good argument? It was about a different timing of the swing instead of your arms lagging behind and your hands flipping at impact.
mikesogacademy I understand that people calling instructors out is probably offensive and scary for you but trying to get out of it by saying it's about a feel is just incorrect.
Ironman 1075 This Video is marketing a feel. Every instructor that was in this video would agree and have agreed that the pelvis initiated the downswing. Just ask Brendon or Tony. Now what they believe is that the “feeling” of leading the swing in transition with the arms should be the “feel” the masses should use. Now you don’t even know my true position on this topic of mechanics. I might even agree... My point was the marketing of “My Method is Best” is counter productive. If you would like to debate that point I’m game.
The best golf instruction video ever made. The cause and effect line by Malaska is so true and absolute genius. Golf has been taught incorrectly for a long, long time.
After playing golf for 20+ years I just recently learned this, figured it out on my own. Sad but of all the lessons, books, and magazine articles I don’t recall this being taught. I broke 90 on Sunday for the first time in while. Still have work to do but I finally feel like I have a basic dependable swing thought that will help me be more consistent.
They all just love to confuse high handicappers trying to improve.... Most of this is dependent on GRIP style... Strong grip must fire hips to be able to release the club head and not miss left.... weak grip the arms have to catch up otherwise miss right. Everybody feels it differently and everybody has a preference as to what they feel they can repeat and control.
If you set up on a plane board and fire your hips or body your arms/club will come over the top and the club will not make it back to the plane board but if you get to the top and your first move is to DROP YOUR ARMS FIRST it will make it back to the plane board. This has helped me dramatically! I totally agree with this concept
100% because I’ve gained speed by feeling like I’m turning my body fAster and my arms beating my chest while keeping my right foot down for control. And I’ve gained distance and control.
For everyone that missed the point of this video, go back to @4:01 and listen to what he is saying. Too often swing coaches over teach the firing of the hips and under teach the swinging of the arms. THATS what this video is about.
Thanks Brendon for the video....I've watched this video like 4 times already. It's loaded with truths that explains what we see and what we should feel in a golf swing.
I agree with this video. I play my best golf when I'm letting my arms get there first. I think what maybe is happening is that your body subconsciously fires from the lower body first during the golf swing, at least for most coordinated people. But the moment you start consciously trying to do it, it becomes overactive, and you lose focus on the the arms and you get stuck. like this video mentions, a huge majority of your speed comes from your arms. Yeah, you could gain a few mph if you get the lower body involved to start, but it is hard to coordinate, and youll probably feel off balance during your follow through. learn to swing your arms as fast you fuckin can with the club but no ball, or with the club upside down to train your fast twitch muscles to know what it feels like to swing fast.
So really the hips are just getting out of the arms’ way. The hip turn allows the arms to work around and in front of you. It’s an effect and not a cause as Mike would say.
It's compounding speed. just trying swinging your arm back and forth without turning your shoulders. then twist at the hip while doing the same motion. you arm will be moving the same speed relative to you body, but adding the rotational speed of you body turn compound with the movement of your arms. That being said, try turning your body while keeping your arm outstretched straight to the side. That movement on it's own is much slower than the speed generated by only swinging your arms. your arms movement relative to your body is where the base speed of a swing is generated. driving the hips, and twisting the body (also generating more torque through longer back swings if you have the flexibility to a lesser extent) COMPOUND this base speed to reach those high club head speeds. What is really being discussed in the video, however, is not how to generate power. It is how to improve a golf swing. Tiger said at the beginning of the video that he struggled with control. Having the feeling of keeping your hands in front of you will maintain a lot of your speed [see above], while also not contorting your body out of alignment leading to mishits and loss of control. If you try and crank your hips around without "ringing the bell" or "pulling the chain," all you're accomplishing is throwing you club path way offline. Your mind will subconsciously account for this by changing face to path and what not, but consistency goes out the window. The old adage is still true, everything has to work in tandem.. tempo tempo tempo. This "revelation" is aimed at long hitters that suffer from accuracy and consistency by identifying feelings that they may have backwards in their head. For anyone else just focusing on keeping everything connected through the downswing will accomplish the same goal without over-complicating your swing timing.
IT'S a KINETIC CHAIN MOVEMENT GUY'S! No More No Less.... Think about "Skipping a Rock, or Throwing a Baseball, Throwing a Punch, Throwing a Football et cetera.... Depending on whether or not you are Right Handed or Left Handed your "LEAD SIDE" is gonna go Get the Ground..... Rotate Clear the Hips out of the way then your "Elbow will Lead imagine "THROWING A BASEBALL SIDEARM, SKIPPING A ROCK"..... (also Note TOMMY FLEETWOOD that Move will also Automatically Shallow the Club). However it's NOT A PULL THE CLUB OR FEEL AS IF YOUR RINGING A BELL OR WHATEVER IT'S A FALL (i.e. GRAVITY IS THE KEY HERE) YOU DO WANNA FEEL THE FASTEST AFTER YOU HAVE HIT THE BALL.... It's Something we are Born Knowing how to do!!! We are "HUNTERS & GATHERER'S & have been for AROUND OH 2 MILLION YEARS" Also we are GRAVITY GENIUS'S..... JUST ONLY THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU WANNA HIT THE BALL AND HAVE 1 SWING THOUGHT (don't let me elbow hit my body/hips in the (through swing/downswing) and then Visualize where you wanna hit the Ball and Execute it with a CALM, RELAXED, SMOOTH, EFFORTLESS, EFFICIENT MOTION! Again think Skipping a Rock across a Pond..... You are not gonna yank your Arm Back and Falling Off Balance Sling the Rock straight down into the Water..... Why....?????? BECAUSE YOUR BRAIN ALREADY KNOWS THAT WON'T WORK AND THAT YOU COULD HURT YOURSELF IN THE PROCESS.... GETTING HURT MEANT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GO HUNT FOR FOOD & THAT VERY WELL WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR HEALTH/FUTURE FOR THAT MATTER! We Make the SAME MOVEMENT IN EVERY OTHER SPORT, FISHING, NAILING A HAMMER, THROWING A ROCK, ET CETERA & YET PEOPLE THINK THAT GOLF IS DIFFERENT..... SMH🤨 ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE AND PLEASE USE COMMON SENSE EVERYONE IS MAKING THIS GAME MUCH HARDER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE!!!!!! IT'S THE SAME KINETIC MOVEMENT PATTERN THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR 2 MILLION PLUS YEARS!
I had a similar swing for many years and was playing to a consistent 1.8 handicap. Then 20 years ago I had to stop playing due to back issues that I feel were a direct result from swinging this way for many years. I feel like this is absolutely NOT the way to swing a club if you want to play this gave for many years. I literally gave all my golf clubs away and completely left the game. Other interests quickly filled that time void golf left and years of PT and lots of core exercises and stretchy I have been pretty much pain free. End of last year I stumbled upon your Dr Kwon video and his channel, everything he was teaching just made sense. I quickly and cautiously incorporated his cow-bell and rope swing as part of my daily exercise routine for the past month and the back feels great. Last week purchased a 56* wedge and began swinging it easily with Dr Kwon’s techniques. I was surprised to find that I am consistently hitting my wedge 100-105 yds with great control and ZERO back issues. I video all my practice sessions to make sure I am not over-swinging and maintaining technique. Next week I have an iron fitting and we’ll see where it goes from there. Thanks for giving hope to a 60 year-old to play the game in my retirement years.
I'm 3 hcp and I saw this show with Tiger and Butch on YT 2 years ago. Then I went to the practice range to work on this feeling, just to try. At the beginning, you feel like you hit the ball with no energy. But, when you got it (after 1 h) I stroke the ball longer with less effort and lot more constitancy (a feeling to have a longer contact with the ball during impact). Very impressive with long irons and woods. That piece of advice worked very well for me !
I’m new to golf and this video has corrected so many things that guys have been teaching me on the golf course. It’s sad that this only has several hundred views on the bright side my game will improve drastically and nobody will understand how!
BBG, you are always open to finding the truth. Golf is so counterintuitive. Instructors should instruct on feel not mechanics. Mechanics is the product of feel. The lead shoulder should create rotation in shoulder only while staying centred over ball, meaning lower half “feels stationary and the trail arm should lead the downswing and power source while maintaining connection with body. When Tiger says his hands feel like they are beating body to the ball that is because in his downswing his trail is absolute dominant.
This is so true! Ive been going through your old videos saying this but I came to this realization this summer after two years of snap hooking the ball so bad that I couldn't even get off the tee! I had to feel like I was all arms and completely holding my hips square in the downswing. Broke my best score by 5 strokes two weeks later. Would've been lower if knew how to putt for a damn!
I was trying to figure out how to explain while watching the video again and to me if feels exactly how Tiger is explaining it. I was going to say it exactly like that literally to a T. Side note: I played on Saturday and took an additional 4 strokes off so now I'm down 9 strokes from my previous best which hadn't changed in about 5 years.
That's exactly the point, what you feel you're doing is not actually correct. I think teaching people to start with their hips causes all kinds of issues. If you "feel" like you start with your arms your hips will naturally clear. Totally changed my game.
One of the main problems for amateur golfers is that they don't get thier hands down enough therefore they are always above the plane, this video is great to slow down an out of sync body and start hitting the ball from the inside. By swinging the arms down first it will automatically sync everything up. It may not be for everyone but it is an easy one thought to have when starting the downswing instead of overthinking everything.. The key is to stay relaxed when you do it and try to keep your back to the target as you make this move or else you will start coming over the top.
Here is my personal golf secret. No need to figure anything out as long as you get into your correct golf posture. Simply do a 1/4 turn with your lead hand and then a 100 percent turn with your trail hand. And you must always start your downswing with the pads of your trail hand little finger pressing against the grip of the golf club in order to feel the magic happen. This works for a million reasons. Cheers 👍😃⛳️🥂❤️
First, look at Cameron Champ’s swing. His hips clear further sooner than any other player. And he’s the longest right now. Second, it’s not the speed of the hips. They are the anchor. The foundation. That the shoulders pull on. And thirdly, in my experience you have to let the hips lead automatically. You can’t do it consciously or you will mess up the timing.
@@shawnclark732 yea check it out. He gets noticeably deeper at impact, than at set up. He turns with his core though keeping everything connected. If he spun his hips out hed probably hit 2 inches behind the ball. Woodland is probably the most underrated players on tour athletically. If you ever get a chance to watch him hit balls or play, the sound of compression is second to none!
@@raybaker8653 I never advocated throwing your hips. I merely said turning in sync. Spinning your hips out will not give you more speed btw. It will waste power before you need it.
My golf coach is kind of like Tony Luczak. My golf coach just wants me to let my hands and arms just fall on plane instead of me trying to fire my lower body too aggressively. That has been my problem for many years. When my hips get overactive, my shots have a tendency to get out of control. When I let my hands and arms just fall on plane and use them to accelerate gradually, my shots have been more consistent and straighter. It’s because I don’t have to overcompensate the swing with my lower body. Now what my lower body does is when the hands and arms starts to just basically fall on plane, my lower body would just follow gradually. Muck like what Tony Luczak mentions in this part of the video. My current swing helps me stay consistent, but I don’t know if it’s for everyone because my problem before was overactive hips.
Moe was an amazing talent, I went to see him a few times hit balls in the 90’s in Ormand Beach, Fl. During the winter, He’d drive down from Canada to practice & do clinics too. Tough to understand him but he could still hit great in his 50’s-60’s.
This is great advice, almost every amateur has been taught to not get to armsy, but they should do the opposite. I think the hips when moved too soon will kill any consistency.
Ok, the way how some of the instructors in the video worded the “secret” isn’t the best, it could be devastatingly dangerous to some beginners. The bottom line of this video or the REAL secret is that, arms and hands are what matters the most to CONTROLLING contact, not the hip or lower body. However, hip is still the most important factor of generating speed and SHOULD be the first thing being fired in downswing. LPGA has higher hip speed but lower club speed mainly because their lower body heights resulting in shorter radius of swing arc. Listen close to what tiger said in the beginning, giving all you got to the hip DOSE make you swing faster. But the problem is that, you will have no control over the contact if you don’t coordinate with arms and hands like “ringing a bell/pulling a chain”. An instructor was talking about neurotransmission being unseen in video, YES, arms and hands ARE being controlled by the brain since the very first moment/initiation of downswing, and so is the HIP and everywhere else in the body! It’s just that the brain is telling arms and hips to do different things at different time during downswing depending on what kind of swing and contact you are intending to have!
What I figured out late last season for myself, my feels, was after getting to the top my focus was trying to cast the club like you’re fishing as far as you can behind you. This activated the correct arm muscles and my club started on plane much better coming down. It was not a feeling of getting arms in front or down to the ball faster. That worked for me, as my natural move is over the top. I’m a good golfer too.
@@AlexSteenOlsen I would try it. Just sayin’n. You need to do this feel while also doing your normal motion back to the ball. I suppose it depends on your skill level too (not referring to you)
@@Dougmolls Chuck Quinton discussed the fishing motion explicitly years ago, sadly no more youtube video I could link you up with. Excessive fishing promotes your right arm to straighten in the downswing pre impact. Now you just have to put 1 and 1 together why this isn't working properly. A relatove straight right arm in impact provides with loads of inconsistencies in dispersion. Right arm should bend a little (in line with the shaft) at impact. Every single tour pro does it. Only real positive from fishing is good width with left arm in downswing and it gives you a little more time / less rushing of the downswing by pulling the handle. But this doesn't mean you more accuracy, just better tempo and strike
@@AlexSteenOlsen got you. I’m not explaining it thoroughly enough and shouldn’t try on RUclips. But it is not a casting action, but a feel. I’m literally trying to throw the club behind me about 10-20 feet. All while still making a move at the ball. It doesn’t come close to a cast, or release at the top early.
The body/hips work against the ground but its more of a get out the way motion than a coil or wind up.Body action is mainly for stability to counter the massive swing wt of a club moving at 100mph+.Its the athletic throwing muscles ie shoulders/arms that produce acceleration/speed they work against the grip/club. If the club/ball was as light as a badminton raquet/shutlle we wouldnt need so much hip/body action
I remember watching a video of Tiger in slow-mo and thinking to myself 'He's not starting with the hips'. That was years ago and I thought I had simply misinterpreted what I had seen. It wasn't until seeing this vid that it all made sense. It took a while but, since learning that the arms power the swing, everything has changed. There is more distance and accuracy now and no back pain. Wish I'd found out sooner...
The hard part is turning the shift of perseption into a workable swing. Most of my drills these days involve anchoring of the right foot to ensure the arms come away from the body before impact and then allow the turn through. Its a difficult process but I I must say that with just an "arm" swing I hit the ball straighter and only lose about 15% power. Its a good go to process on a tight course. Thanks B, great vid as usual.
Mr Kipling i also anchor the right foot.. my power has improved.. i guess one can overdo it. I have found it is possible to start the down swing with a small hip slide to the left as long as right shoulder goes down. It sort of balances around your right foot.. even heel. The left foot feel is more in your toe at this stage and moves i to your left foot more around impact . I guess it is all a little different for everyone and best not to overdo any move.
I was laughed off a discussion board after saying I have followed what Tiger and Bobby in this video are saying...I had 3 birdies and reached 2/4 par 5s in two, first time in my life..and hve been doing this consistently....i have been playing golf for 20 years and suffered immensly from early extension. I have not topped a ball in 4 rounds. I am stating all of the above matter of factly, no hidden agenda. I am a golfer and not a teacher. There are many golf quacks on line with no resumes to show for. I followed one for years and went no where. Thank good ness for the reality to finally breakthrough in teaching.
One of the greatest golf teachers ever-John Jacobs-considered that the body oriented emphasis in the swing was the death knell for very many golfers. As I recall in his teaching he taught (essentially) that the golfer should swing down from the top with the hands and arms and turn through impact with hips and body. The rest of his teaching largely focused on a wonderful ability to diagnose faults from the flight of the ball and give corrective advice thereafter
Good golly Brendan, Jacob’s Practical Golf has to be among the top ten if not top 5 instructional books. My library has over 50 authors and a until you introduced me to Tony about 2 years ago, Synergetic Anticipatory Activation was something that I couldn’t fathom. 38 years of left hand/arm control took 2 years to cure but now, thanks to you and the unique instructors you’ve introduced to me, I’m shooting regularly in the 70’s and hitting it 20 yards more with uncanny consistency. I regard Hogan as the greatest ever but along with other inconsistencies in 5 lessons, the bands on the hips was a horrible image. It ruined me for years. Of course the lower body moves first but it took Tony to clarify the neuromechanical ABC (arms, body, clubhead) process. Ernest Jones also alluded to this. I posted here as my poke at Hogan may anger a large audience. BTW, Bill Melhorn was the first that I’ve come across to mention the hammer analogy.
This is one of the greatest videos and exclamations on the golf swing I’ve ever seen my swing has gotten so much better just by watching this about once a month
Nice! Your last several hundred videos or so had already convinced me on this concept, but this right here is the tightest version of it yet. Thx for editing it all up! Keep up the great stuff.
When using a hammer you don't use your hips to drive the nail into the board.... but you do engage your core. when swinging an axe at a tree you're not all wrapped up in how you use your hips... there's just a sequence of muscle use that has to come naturally. golf is so ridiculously over thought out
Nicely written but those are somewhat inaccurate comparisons. Hammering a nail is not rotational. And did you ever try to wield a long handled ax with just your arms? You are synchronizing your hips and arms when you cut down a tree. Plus neither analogy deals with the rotational aspect of the club head which hammers and axes don’t require. All parts of the kinetic chain are connected and they require synchronization for a powerful repeating swing. As I mentioned, Malaska comes closest to a usable instruction when he talks about directing these forces rather than trying to parse where they start. But by all means, you do you and all the best.
@@rhinoragni8349 yes I really enjoy your expansion upon what I'm saying. Allow me to further clarify about an axe being swung at a tree... my perspective (theory) in golf that would be a tree that's going to be taken clean off in 1 swing! It's a tree that is about 1 inch around and has a bunch of dimples in it😆
It absolutely is, I have spent years of my life over-thinking the golf swing. Now that I am not trying to be pro I started getting better because I was only playing for fun and the love of the game. It's funny how you can get better without practicing.
@@eazybleezy I know 2 people who are incredibly good and never go to the range....one of them is a girl that we golf with. She doesn't ever think about the golf swing, she just hits at the ball.
Brandon, just watched this again. It's a really good collection of alternative and conflicting thoughts and explanations. And of course it's a good example of people saying what they feel, then video showing them doing something completely different. For the player the feel is truth. For the learner video is truth.
All these guys saying body rotation is the new best way are nuts! Hit it with your hands !! Just like throwing a ball, your body instinctively knows what to do. Great video.
When I started I couldn’t turn so my teacher told me this . Yes this requires timing and a lot of practice . But what she told me works for me and good I stuck to it. It works .
That little clip from Harmon/Tiger from Golf Channel with Peter Kessler is my holy grail; and the one thing I have picked up from it if you watch it closely: he does a short little check swing from top of backswing (like a checking of the shoulders as if you’re “taking” a pitch that you don’t swing out) - that gets the shaft shallowed and out in front of the rt shoulder a little. From there. His hands drop down closer to his rt thigh and he twists the left wrist into flexion bowing as the hands get into that position
Instead of reinforcing bad habits on the range before a round. Go stretch for fifteen minutes then practice putting to get a feel of green speed. Leave swing thoughts at home or office.
I've always taken the hips to be purely about positioning the upper body in a way that it can complete a neutral plane, maxxing speed through centrifugal force. If your plane axis is changing through the swing, you're losing potential kinetic energy from the tip of the club head. So you rotate them back a bit (30 deg) to get your arms out and around to the 2nd parallel, and from there, my hips are opening in conjunction with my swing, so that my arms can come down quickly, controlled, and on a single plane back to the ball at a good path. The consistency I get with this is pretty good for someone of my ability (15 hcp)
Golf is either fixed and they're getting messages to the leaders on when to bogey or worse so tiger can win due to ratings and sponsorships plummeting since Tiger last was somewhat on top 2013ish........or........ that was the greatest feat in sports history, you decide
this is good to hear because i've been trying to use my body and hips for years but it never worked for me, just couldn't get that to work. seems i do my best golf when my thought is to keep the body quiet and let it react to the arms, hands, club going down.
You might be able to pull down fast from the top if you have very fast, tour- pro-like hip action; if not, don't pull down form the top; most amateurs do this already and come way over the top because their hips and lower body are nowhere near as athletic as a tour professional. Most amateurs don't get their hips out of the way enough; their hips look stuck in cement; lol this vid is only for those with hips as fast as Tiger or Rory; lol
D S I think you’re confusing a couple of things here. Namely early shoulder rotation with arm speed. If you rotate your shoulders first then yes you will be over the top or steep. As long as you plant that front foot first, You can fire your arms as fast and as soon as you want. The body will react to create space for your arms IF you loaded pressure onto that front foot first while keeping your head behind the ball. Think homerun baseball swing. It isn’t the driving of the hips that creates speed. It’s the forward pressure under the front foot for leverage followed by fast arm speed to transfer into the clubhead for snap through the ball, like throwing the clubhead. This isn’t “flipping” mind you. You’ll still have enough forward lean. This is simply allowing the forces to go to the clubhead to allow it to go fast and “feel” like it’s catching up instead of handle dragging through impact.
golf is hard for this... not all amateurs are the same.. some are 20 and incredible athletes that have 20 handicaps, some are 55 with 2 handicaps... You cannot just group amateurs all in one category. There are so many athletes in this world that have more potential than the top golfers but are playing fornite instead of golf and will never realize the potential.
I mean, with that old swing he was already mutiple pga tour winner including 1997 masters which he won by 12 strokes and that is still his personal best round at Augusta. He would've done Tiger slam without swing change anyway. He is just built differently
golf swing is not totally vertical or totally horizontal, but if you think of it as primarily vertical like a slightly tilted ferris wheel with your arms/club swinging under your sternum/shoulders vs primarily horizontal with your torso turning. swinging more up and down under your shoulders you gain effortless swing speed and also clubface countrol... so your arms swing down and thru under your shoulders as opposed to swinging around from the turning of your body and shoulders
This is why better players and pros like heavier clubs. And higher swingweights. Because when the head of the club feels heavy, it's easy to feel the club and the release. If youre trying to hit it with what feels like the arms and the club, not the body, you want some weight that feels like you'll get some power behind the shot. I noticed this right away when I went to a heavier swingweight. It just feels like finally you can use your arms and also let the club do the work. After years of being stuck and hips way too early, Monte and this has been huge.
Just learned this last week courtesy of Mike Malaska, too much instutruction talks about rotation and fast hips when the feel is actually letting your arms swing in front of your body which gets the club turning over nicely without any manipulation
I had a baseball coach tell me light, soft hands make for harder hits. Driving balls on a line. I just translated light soft hands and arms to golf. More speed and in control.
Brendan, I know this is an old video, but I go back to this video and rewatch it often. I watch your videos because you're curious and always searching for that one thought that will make it click. I'd like to see you go with this swing thought and see where it takes you. Maybe document it like your crush 100 type stuff, just working on this feeling
they talk about something so simple in such a difficult way that they are talked paralyzed via analysis... golf swing is just walking and arms just swing on the shoulder socket and we dont think it and this is the same function in the golf swing... to have active arms = early extension and i totally disagree with the comments of this video
I hit snap hooks when my arms out race my lower body. Need to sync them up. Hit as many balls as Tiger has under the tutelage he’s had and you would hit it pretty good too.
The separation between the two halves of the body on the backswing, if you turn the lower body on the way down, you'll need to move the hands in front of you because otherwise you'll get stuck. If you're using the whole body on the way back (free hip turn) and separate on the downswing, the arms cannot get stuck no matter how hard you drive the hips, because the body isn't significantly twisted. If you separate on the backswing, this "hands first" idea works decent, but requires extensive timing. If you separate on the downswing but use full body on the backswing, arms first will destroy your timing if you don't use the lower body. In other words, a restricted hips swing requires arms first for timing. A full body doesn't require arms first. It's a modern concept and isn't necessary if you're swinging correctly.
I think many many golfers when thinking of a 'body swing' get way in front with their hip turn. Also their angle of attack is usually from the inside as the correct attack plane is counter intuative.
Been struggling lately with hooks and this makes sense, I was watching this and had no idea it was your vid.....scrambled whole tournament with tee shots......i give this a go
So to say it simply, don't use the hip turn too much. Too much hip turn too soon = bad shot. I used to be criticized a lot for being an "arms and hands" player. But the guys that told me that, they could not beat me. Plus, I felt like I was turning just fine. Got good results. And like Monte Scheiblum says here, too much hips too soon is not a good thing. Got to put things in proportion in the golf swing I'd say. That's my 2 cents. Nice vid here.
Can you share the name of the last instructor that was talking about Neuromuscular activation? Thanks for this video! I'm a hitting instructor for baseball. It seems the new "science" points everyone to what it looks like and bypass feels like what are described here. Hips and then hands is the most misunderstood idea in the baseball world. For EVERY player that has a dad that says "he doesn't use his hips enough, he's all arms" its always the opposite. These players have excessive external rotation of the hips and the reason it looks like "all arms" is because the arms are disconnected and chasing the hip rotation (Like the Ole). So, ultimately it is all arms but the fix "fire your hips more" exacerbates the underlying problem.
Moe Norman gave the secret away. The hips should rotate naturally not forced. If you rotate your hips at the top of the backswing your arms will get stuck behind and thats where you either have to flip the club at impact or you leave it wide open!!
It seems to me there are a number of successful players on each side of this debate. I would call one group arm swingers, and the group core rotaters. The arm swingers are more upright in posture, and straighten the right elbow earlier in the downswing. This type of action dominated golf in the 70's-2000's. The core rotaters are much more horizontal in upper body posture during the downswing which creates a lot of space making them less likely to get stuck. They keep their right elbow bent longer. Players like DJ, Hogan, Mahan, and Woodland are examples. Their power comes from both rotation of the core, as well as late internal rotation of the right shoulder. The release is more low and left. There are a few like Tiger who have swung both ways. I don't have a problem with either method. Whatever works.
That's great but I have the opposite problem as an older golfer. I must feel as if I'm opening the hips first or the arms will make it down before opening...
Great video. In the early days I played better because I was not thing and then over thinking the swing. I just wanted to hit the ball to the target. (Comming from tennis)
I meant to ad d that do the long hitters all - also once the weight shift is initiated by the hips use their arms, wrists and hands to accelerate and create more swing speed and distance - yes, absolutely !
What golf swing feels like and what it looks like are two different things--- and this is what average golfer doesn't get. And I really think average golf pro does a pretty lousy job explaining this to people that want to learn. I have learned more from watching Mike Malaska than anyone else ----- Also enjoy your channel and have picked up some tips. Thanks.
This is so GOLD and this concept changed my ball striking to another level not from this video but this video gives me more confidence im on the right track. Watch Bradley hughes "hands out is down" and its the same concept Tiger is talking about. get the hands NOT the club, but get the hands in front of your body and rotate with your pivot.
true but he also says that he consciously fires his arms after. We should also consider hogan was 150 lbs and may not have had the strength that top athletes have today to be consistent using an arm heavy swing. Hogan is pretty open at impact and his arms are pretty far back... it almost seems like hogan gave being "stuck" the finger and rotated even more to square up
Hogan also tried to make everything in his swing anti hook. So yeah, if you leave the club behind, you won't hit a hook if you can keep rotating and the face open. He also played super flat clubs. I don't really think Hogan is the best person to copy for most people. He's very unique.
This is a product of the modern swing. Modern golfers are taught to dump the club through impact which causes a disconnection between the arms and lower body. In the more classic swing golfers rotated the club through impact with their bodies
Not many here will believe this, but before he was a TV announcer and had to sort of slide into "be positive about almost everything any good player or any teacher says about the swing" mode (which put him in the position of advocating completely contradictory things from one week to the next, sometimes from one segment to the next), he was actually a great teacher and theorist, and I imagine he's still an excellent teacher if you work with him personally, based on what I knew of him in the '70s and '80s. Here's the point: In his book The Inside Path to Better Golf, possibly the most underrated and underread great instructional book ever, he says exactly what Woods is saying here -- that in his best swings, he tends to feel that the arms are having to catch up to the club, and the shoulders and torso are catching up to the arms and club. It's not quite true, but it's a feeling of free-swinging instead of shoving and levering the club around with the shoulders and body. It's exactly what Woods is talking about here, only Kostis was writing this in 1982. Toski, Flick, Love Jr., and a few others were saying it well before that, even. Which is not to disparage Woods or Harmon. Quite the opposite. I'm confirming that they're working in a long tradition of solid good-player theory and practice.
I don’t know why this came up on my feed today. Brandon, I believe this hip spin-out problem was one of your main issues. Someone commented about hammers and axes and I wholeheartedly agree with him. Bill Melhorn, from my research first mentioned the long hammer analogy but as the poster stated, it must be expanded to imagine hitting through the ball/nail. Tony and I have corresponded on a few points and his ABC and Anticipatory Synergetic Activation shed some light on Ernest Jones’ “swing the clubhead” and “lower body are followers” instruction. I never appreciated EJ until then. Mike Austin said, “That damned Hogan ruined it for everybody” in connection with Hogan’s personal feeling of the rubber banded hips and initiating the downswing with the hips. Only Hogan is Hogan. No one, not Gardner Dickinson nor John Schlee could imitate him to a T. We all have our own keys, images and physical attributes and produce “serviceable” shots with methods as unique as fingerprints. Has anyone tried hammer throwing? Spinning the hips a la Hogan just doesn’t work. Thanks, Brandon. Been watching your “unique voices” series since you first posted and ended up totally reworking my swing under Mike Austin’s tutelage with a bit of Tony and Joe Dante (esp. the “Early Backward Wrist Break”) thrown in. Gained distance and dropped my hc from 7 to 5. This 67 year old can’t be happier.
I love how this video feels like a conspiracy being hacked
It is though!!! It’s such an insane misconception and I’ve been working to fix it for a while now.
Next video, Michael Jordan accidentally reveals the secret to dunking from the foul line.
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The secret is practicing 60 hours a week, don't tell anyone.
There's no secret, Ben Hogan and all of the old greats already explained the golf swing in full detail. Tiger in this video is talking about staying connected with the hips and arms for more control vs. power flipping for distance. Again a re-hash of what Hogan talked about. And of course, practice, practice and more practice.
practicing 60 hours per week of the wrong thing is not going to improve your swing nor your scores.
@@samking4179 I did it, and I'm an awesome golfer.
@@fritomx1 And I practiced 61 hours a week. Now I'm several hours ahead of Tiger. So ha!
It depends. If you spend most of your time on the range, you'll forget what it takes to score.
I found this out by trial and error. also keeping the back to the target for longer than usual and letting the arms go first, is a GREAT way to become a BALL STRIKER.
I believe it's like Mike Austin taught. You let your arms move your body. When I focus on just hitting the ball with my hands my body does what it's supposed to and doesn't over react it simply gets out of the way for my swing plane.
So... Nicklaus and Tiger said the same thing about the golf swing...its time to listen!!! Thanks Brandon!
My swing is home grown / self taught meaning I have never done a swing analysis or gone to a teacher. I am a “weekend” golfer, and in the summer time maybe play twice a week. Three years ago I broke 80 for the first time shooting a 77. I have a very short back swing. I noticed when I would need to hit a “punch” shot I came back short and low, and even though I was not swinging full the ball traveled far. I started focusing on contact, making a solid swing and really turning through it. I hit more consistently and my distance is fine for me. I hit my 8 iron 145-155 yards and driver about 260 yards. I am not considered a long hitter by any means, but it’s controlled. This works for me and I can control my timing into the shot much better then when I try to take the club way high to parallel. You could say I could swing my club in a phone booth. It’s compact but I trap the ball well with solid contact and I’ve been able to do this by shortening my back swing and powering through arms coming down the turning through the shot with my lower body.
nice comment, im curious how old you are?
231swift: I am 35 yrs old. My golfing background is long but not consistent. I started playing while in H.S. In rural TN my grandfather played and gave me an old 1970 set of irons with dry rotted grips and a plastic milk crate of dirty beat up balls he found and kept. We lived down a 5 mile dead end gravel one lane road and we had a tobacco feild next to it with a wood power pole almost center. I would hit balls that pole and go pick them up. Growing up we had nothing else to do we played outside. I quit playing or never seriously for awhile then at about 26 I started up again and bought a decent “Walmart” set of clubs, Dunlap’s actually. I’m not a great player but I work at it and try to understand the swing. We have cold winters and I got tired of coming into spring “rusty” and playing awful. Now I am working more than ever on correcting my bad swings habits I developed on my own and getting better by proper swing mechanics. I will never have a professional awesome swing, but I working to make my swing better with proper techniques, practice and playing. After I broke 80 I told myself when I do I’ll upgrade equipments. My irons are Bridgestone j36 pocket cavity 5-PW , taylormade RBZ driver 10.5 stiff, 4 RBZ hybrid 21 degree, Taylormade R7 3 and 5 woods, and Taylormade 56 / 52 RAC wedges. Basically pieced together a set overtime
Sounds like you grew up in paradise!
For those of you already comfortable with the basic fundamentals of the golf swing but struggle a bit with consistency with iron shots, ie; flipping the club, scooping, trying to help it up in the air, never leaving a divot, no consistent yardages....Try this. Let your swing thought be that you want to hit the ball into the ground. That you literally want to strike it down into the earth where it sits. Your club would need negative loft to actually do that and since your club has positive loft the ball will feel like it is pinching of the ground and will rocket skyward with a penetrating ball flight. Try it next time your are at the range hitting off real grass. That simple swing thought changed my iron game forever. All of a sudden all my irons had different yardages, I was leaving a divot after the ball and iron play turned into my favorite part of the game instead of the part I dreaded. Remember to practice it for awhile and when you finally rip your first one the right way, you will instantly know what a pure strike with an iron feels like and you will be addicted. Happy golfing.
Last 5 rounds 71, 72, 76, 71, 74 focusing on "throwing" instead of rotating... I have never been more consistent. This is a secret because so many teachers are teaching it backwards with the hips and rotation. Brendon... you have done an excellent job exposing this and this is a great vid that I will be sharing
Flip I think we’re getting this wrong by saying instructors have got this backwards. I could just as easily say my thoughts were to leave my hands alone and rotate as much as I possibly can. This led to me shooting 71,69,64,67. Just because a “feel” works for you, that does not mean it should be taught universally. If you listen closely every instructor in this video recognized that the pelvis does initiate the swing. Their argument was that an arm leading “feel” would mentally click better for most players. My argument is that this is being marketed as THE SWING SECRET. I think it’s just as counter productive as the rotational instructors marketing their method is the best.
More big picture 💡. Why not focus on establishing Macro Goals, test yourself to see where you are currently, create a way to monitor your progress, and constantly adapt and progress your goals. Why is it that “We have the best Swing Method” Marketing approaches still work in this industry? Even though the average handicap has not reduced? It’s because you the consumer need to hold US the Industry to higher level of scrutiny. Go look at any high level place of learning. They would laugh at the way we try to translate our knowledge to the students.
mikesogacademy ...so this wasnt about a feel, at all. But good argument? It was about a different timing of the swing instead of your arms lagging behind and your hands flipping at impact.
mikesogacademy I understand that people calling instructors out is probably offensive and scary for you but trying to get out of it by saying it's about a feel is just incorrect.
Ironman 1075 This Video is marketing a feel. Every instructor that was in this video would agree and have agreed that the pelvis initiated the downswing. Just ask Brendon or Tony. Now what they believe is that the “feeling” of leading the swing in transition with the arms should be the “feel” the masses should use. Now you don’t even know my true position on this topic of mechanics. I might even agree... My point was the marketing of “My Method is Best” is counter productive. If you would like to debate that point I’m game.
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Explains why I’ve never been successful when I try to “start my hips first”, before my arms. Awesome video!
This was one of those videos that I thought would be a complete waste of time but was pleasantly surprised and glad I watched
The best golf instruction video ever made. The cause and effect line by Malaska is so true and absolute genius. Golf has been taught incorrectly for a long, long time.
After playing golf for 20+ years I just recently learned this, figured it out on my own. Sad but of all the lessons, books, and magazine articles I don’t recall this being taught. I broke 90 on Sunday for the first time in while. Still have work to do but I finally feel like I have a basic dependable swing thought that will help me be more consistent.
Well done mate.
They all just love to confuse high handicappers trying to improve.... Most of this is dependent on GRIP style... Strong grip must fire hips to be able to release the club head and not miss left.... weak grip the arms have to catch up otherwise miss right. Everybody feels it differently and everybody has a preference as to what they feel they can repeat and control.
If you set up on a plane board and fire your hips or body your arms/club will come over the top and the club will not make it back to the plane board but if you get to the top and your first move is to DROP YOUR ARMS FIRST it will make it back to the plane board. This has helped me dramatically! I totally agree with this concept
(DROP YOUR ARMS FIRST) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The background music is intense and scary.
100% because I’ve gained speed by feeling like I’m turning my body fAster and my arms beating my chest while keeping my right foot down for control. And I’ve gained distance and control.
For everyone that missed the point of this video, go back to @4:01 and listen to what he is saying. Too often swing coaches over teach the firing of the hips and under teach the swinging of the arms. THATS what this video is about.
Thanks Brendon for the video....I've watched this video like 4 times already. It's loaded with truths that explains what we see and what we should feel in a golf swing.
I agree with this video. I play my best golf when I'm letting my arms get there first. I think what maybe is happening is that your body subconsciously fires from the lower body first during the golf swing, at least for most coordinated people. But the moment you start consciously trying to do it, it becomes overactive, and you lose focus on the the arms and you get stuck. like this video mentions, a huge majority of your speed comes from your arms. Yeah, you could gain a few mph if you get the lower body involved to start, but it is hard to coordinate, and youll probably feel off balance during your follow through. learn to swing your arms as fast you fuckin can with the club but no ball, or with the club upside down to train your fast twitch muscles to know what it feels like to swing fast.
So really the hips are just getting out of the arms’ way. The hip turn allows the arms to work around and in front of you. It’s an effect and not a cause as Mike would say.
It's compounding speed. just trying swinging your arm back and forth without turning your shoulders. then twist at the hip while doing the same motion. you arm will be moving the same speed relative to you body, but adding the rotational speed of you body turn compound with the movement of your arms.
That being said, try turning your body while keeping your arm outstretched straight to the side. That movement on it's own is much slower than the speed generated by only swinging your arms.
your arms movement relative to your body is where the base speed of a swing is generated. driving the hips, and twisting the body (also generating more torque through longer back swings if you have the flexibility to a lesser extent) COMPOUND this base speed to reach those high club head speeds.
What is really being discussed in the video, however, is not how to generate power. It is how to improve a golf swing. Tiger said at the beginning of the video that he struggled with control. Having the feeling of keeping your hands in front of you will maintain a lot of your speed [see above], while also not contorting your body out of alignment leading to mishits and loss of control.
If you try and crank your hips around without "ringing the bell" or "pulling the chain," all you're accomplishing is throwing you club path way offline. Your mind will subconsciously account for this by changing face to path and what not, but consistency goes out the window. The old adage is still true, everything has to work in tandem.. tempo tempo tempo.
This "revelation" is aimed at long hitters that suffer from accuracy and consistency by identifying feelings that they may have backwards in their head. For anyone else just focusing on keeping everything connected through the downswing will accomplish the same goal without over-complicating your swing timing.
IT'S a KINETIC CHAIN MOVEMENT GUY'S! No More No Less.... Think about "Skipping a Rock, or Throwing a Baseball, Throwing a Punch, Throwing a Football et cetera.... Depending on whether or not you are Right Handed or Left Handed your "LEAD SIDE" is gonna go Get the Ground..... Rotate Clear the Hips out of the way then your "Elbow will Lead imagine "THROWING A BASEBALL SIDEARM, SKIPPING A ROCK"..... (also Note TOMMY FLEETWOOD that Move will also Automatically Shallow the Club). However it's NOT A PULL THE CLUB OR FEEL AS IF YOUR RINGING A BELL OR WHATEVER IT'S A FALL (i.e. GRAVITY IS THE KEY HERE) YOU DO WANNA FEEL THE FASTEST AFTER YOU HAVE HIT THE BALL.... It's Something we are Born Knowing how to do!!! We are "HUNTERS & GATHERER'S & have been for AROUND OH 2 MILLION YEARS" Also we are GRAVITY GENIUS'S..... JUST ONLY THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU WANNA HIT THE BALL AND HAVE 1 SWING THOUGHT (don't let me elbow hit my body/hips in the (through swing/downswing) and then Visualize where you wanna hit the Ball and Execute it with a CALM, RELAXED, SMOOTH, EFFORTLESS, EFFICIENT MOTION! Again think Skipping a Rock across a Pond..... You are not gonna yank your Arm Back and Falling Off Balance Sling the Rock straight down into the Water..... Why....?????? BECAUSE YOUR BRAIN ALREADY KNOWS THAT WON'T WORK AND THAT YOU COULD HURT YOURSELF IN THE PROCESS.... GETTING HURT MEANT YOU WEREN'T ABLE TO GO HUNT FOR FOOD & THAT VERY WELL WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO YOUR HEALTH/FUTURE FOR THAT MATTER! We Make the SAME MOVEMENT IN EVERY OTHER SPORT, FISHING, NAILING A HAMMER, THROWING A ROCK, ET CETERA & YET PEOPLE THINK THAT GOLF IS DIFFERENT..... SMH🤨 ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP PEOPLE AND PLEASE USE COMMON SENSE EVERYONE IS MAKING THIS GAME MUCH HARDER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE!!!!!! IT'S THE SAME KINETIC MOVEMENT PATTERN THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING FOR 2 MILLION PLUS YEARS!
@@christopherrose3052 thank you. Finally someone understands.
Christopher Rose I guess you memorized all of Shawn Clement’s quotes for that statement!?
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And for that few years, no one hit a ball as well as Tiger before or since.
Ben Hogan, Johnny Miller
I had a similar swing for many years and was playing to a consistent 1.8 handicap. Then 20 years ago I had to stop playing due to back issues that I feel were a direct result from swinging this way for many years. I feel like this is absolutely NOT the way to swing a club if you want to play this gave for many years. I literally gave all my golf clubs away and completely left the game. Other interests quickly filled that time void golf left and years of PT and lots of core exercises and stretchy I have been pretty much pain free.
End of last year I stumbled upon your Dr Kwon video and his channel, everything he was teaching just made sense. I quickly and cautiously incorporated his cow-bell and rope swing as part of my daily exercise routine for the past month and the back feels great. Last week purchased a 56* wedge and began swinging it easily with Dr Kwon’s techniques. I was surprised to find that I am consistently hitting my wedge 100-105 yds with great control and ZERO back issues. I video all my practice sessions to make sure I am not over-swinging and maintaining technique. Next week I have an iron fitting and we’ll see where it goes from there. Thanks for giving hope to a 60 year-old to play the game in my retirement years.
I'm 3 hcp and I saw this show with Tiger and Butch on YT 2 years ago. Then I went to the practice range to work on this feeling, just to try. At the beginning, you feel like you hit the ball with no energy. But, when you got it (after 1 h) I stroke the ball longer with less effort and lot more constitancy (a feeling to have a longer contact with the ball during impact). Very impressive with long irons and woods. That piece of advice worked very well for me !
I’m new to golf and this video has corrected so many things that guys have been teaching me on the golf course. It’s sad that this only has several hundred views on the bright side my game will improve drastically and nobody will understand how!
BBG, you are always open to finding the truth. Golf is so counterintuitive. Instructors should instruct on feel not mechanics. Mechanics is the product of feel. The lead shoulder should create rotation in shoulder only while staying centred over ball, meaning lower half “feels stationary and the trail arm should lead the downswing and power source while maintaining connection with body. When Tiger says his hands feel like they are beating body to the ball that is because in his downswing his trail is absolute dominant.
This is so true! Ive been going through your old videos saying this but I came to this realization this summer after two years of snap hooking the ball so bad that I couldn't even get off the tee! I had to feel like I was all arms and completely holding my hips square in the downswing. Broke my best score by 5 strokes two weeks later. Would've been lower if knew how to putt for a damn!
TIm and I arm shooting a lot of putting videos later this month :)
Can you describe specifically what you did to create this feeling? I have a snap hook issue as well. Thx
I was trying to figure out how to explain while watching the video again and to me if feels exactly how Tiger is explaining it. I was going to say it exactly like that literally to a T. Side note: I played on Saturday and took an additional 4 strokes off so now I'm down 9 strokes from my previous best which hadn't changed in about 5 years.
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That's exactly the point, what you feel you're doing is not actually correct. I think teaching people to start with their hips causes all kinds of issues. If you "feel" like you start with your arms your hips will naturally clear. Totally changed my game.
One of the main problems for amateur golfers is that they don't get thier hands down enough therefore they are always above the plane, this video is great to slow down an out of sync body and start hitting the ball from the inside. By swinging the arms down first it will automatically sync everything up. It may not be for everyone but it is an easy one thought to have when starting the downswing instead of overthinking everything.. The key is to stay relaxed when you do it and try to keep your back to the target as you make this move or else you will start coming over the top.
Here is my personal golf secret.
No need to figure anything out as long as you get into your correct golf posture.
Simply do a 1/4 turn with your lead hand and then a 100 percent turn with your trail hand. And you must always start your downswing with the pads of your trail hand little finger pressing against the grip of the golf club in order to feel the magic happen. This works for a million reasons. Cheers 👍😃⛳️🥂❤️
First, look at Cameron Champ’s swing. His hips clear further sooner than any other player. And he’s the longest right now.
Second, it’s not the speed of the hips. They are the anchor. The foundation. That the shoulders pull on.
And thirdly, in my experience you have to let the hips lead automatically. You can’t do it consciously or you will mess up the timing.
James Dale Copeland Gary woodland?
@@shawnclark732 yea check it out. He gets noticeably deeper at impact, than at set up. He turns with his core though keeping everything connected. If he spun his hips out hed probably hit 2 inches behind the ball. Woodland is probably the most underrated players on tour athletically. If you ever get a chance to watch him hit balls or play, the sound of compression is second to none!
Sure you get more distance, but it's about control and accuracy and throwing the hips isnt the best way to accomplish that
@@raybaker8653 I never advocated throwing your hips. I merely said turning in sync. Spinning your hips out will not give you more speed btw. It will waste power before you need it.
@@jamesdalecopeland2719 I was actually replying to OP
Moe Norman said that people put to many moving parts in a golf swings. He was right.
My golf coach is kind of like Tony Luczak. My golf coach just wants me to let my hands and arms just fall on plane instead of me trying to fire my lower body too aggressively. That has been my problem for many years. When my hips get overactive, my shots have a tendency to get out of control. When I let my hands and arms just fall on plane and use them to accelerate gradually, my shots have been more consistent and straighter. It’s because I don’t have to overcompensate the swing with my lower body. Now what my lower body does is when the hands and arms starts to just basically fall on plane, my lower body would just follow gradually. Muck like what Tony Luczak mentions in this part of the video. My current swing helps me stay consistent, but I don’t know if it’s for everyone because my problem before was overactive hips.
Moe was an amazing talent, I went to see him a few times hit balls in the 90’s in Ormand Beach, Fl. During the winter,
He’d drive down from Canada to practice & do clinics too. Tough to understand him but he could still hit great in his 50’s-60’s.
This is great advice, almost every amateur has been taught to not get to armsy, but they should do the opposite. I think the hips when moved too soon will kill any consistency.
Ok, the way how some of the instructors in the video worded the “secret” isn’t the best, it could be devastatingly dangerous to some beginners. The bottom line of this video or the REAL secret is that, arms and hands are what matters the most to CONTROLLING contact, not the hip or lower body. However, hip is still the most important factor of generating speed and SHOULD be the first thing being fired in downswing. LPGA has higher hip speed but lower club speed mainly because their lower body heights resulting in shorter radius of swing arc. Listen close to what tiger said in the beginning, giving all you got to the hip DOSE make you swing faster. But the problem is that, you will have no control over the contact if you don’t coordinate with arms and hands like “ringing a bell/pulling a chain”. An instructor was talking about neurotransmission being unseen in video, YES, arms and hands ARE being controlled by the brain since the very first moment/initiation of downswing, and so is the HIP and everywhere else in the body! It’s just that the brain is telling arms and hips to do different things at different time during downswing depending on what kind of swing and contact you are intending to have!
Shawn Clement has been saying this for years as well.
i focus on the same thing ... drive the hands down and let the body follow ... why am i not on tour??? ;)
Probably cause you suck
They sound like schmucks. I'd beat them
Because you don’t have the 40+ hours practice ever week.
What I figured out late last season for myself, my feels, was after getting to the top my focus was trying to cast the club like you’re fishing as far as you can behind you. This activated the correct arm muscles and my club started on plane much better coming down. It was not a feeling of getting arms in front or down to the ball faster.
That worked for me, as my natural move is over the top. I’m a good golfer too.
complete bs. Fishing motion is proven to be wrong
@@AlexSteenOlsen I would try it. Just sayin’n. You need to do this feel while also doing your normal motion back to the ball. I suppose it depends on your skill level too (not referring to you)
@@Dougmolls Chuck Quinton discussed the fishing motion explicitly years ago, sadly no more youtube video I could link you up with. Excessive fishing promotes your right arm to straighten in the downswing pre impact. Now you just have to put 1 and 1 together why this isn't working properly. A relatove straight right arm in impact provides with loads of inconsistencies in dispersion. Right arm should bend a little (in line with the shaft) at impact. Every single tour pro does it. Only real positive from fishing is good width with left arm in downswing and it gives you a little more time / less rushing of the downswing by pulling the handle. But this doesn't mean you more accuracy, just better tempo and strike
@@AlexSteenOlsen got you. I’m not explaining it thoroughly enough and shouldn’t try on RUclips. But it is not a casting action, but a feel. I’m literally trying to throw the club behind me about 10-20 feet. All while still making a move at the ball. It doesn’t come close to a cast, or release at the top early.
@@Dougmolls yeah i'll give it a go tomorrow. If it works for you then keep it
The body/hips work against the ground but its more of a get out the way motion than a coil or wind up.Body action is mainly for stability to counter the massive swing wt of a club moving at 100mph+.Its the athletic throwing muscles ie shoulders/arms that produce acceleration/speed they work against the grip/club.
If the club/ball was as light as a badminton raquet/shutlle we wouldnt need so much hip/body action
I remember watching a video of Tiger in slow-mo and thinking to myself 'He's not starting with the hips'. That was years ago and I thought I had simply misinterpreted what I had seen. It wasn't until seeing this vid that it all made sense.
It took a while but, since learning that the arms power the swing, everything has changed. There is more distance and accuracy now and no back pain. Wish I'd found out sooner...
Wow thats amazing that you could pick that out of his swing you must be some golf genius.
The hard part is turning the shift of perseption into a workable swing. Most of my drills these days involve anchoring of the right foot to ensure the arms come away from the body before impact and then allow the turn through. Its a difficult process but I I must say that with just an "arm" swing I hit the ball straighter and only lose about 15% power. Its a good go to process on a tight course. Thanks B, great vid as usual.
Mr Kipling i also anchor the right foot.. my power has improved.. i guess one can overdo it. I have found it is possible to start the down swing with a small hip slide to the left as long as right shoulder goes down. It sort of balances around your right foot.. even heel. The left foot feel is more in your toe at this stage and moves i to your left foot more around impact .
I guess it is all a little different for everyone and best not to overdo any move.
I was laughed off a discussion board after saying I have followed what Tiger and Bobby in this video are saying...I had 3 birdies and reached 2/4 par 5s in two, first time in my life..and hve been doing this consistently....i have been playing golf for 20 years and suffered immensly from early extension. I have not topped a ball in 4 rounds. I am stating all of the above matter of factly, no hidden agenda. I am a golfer and not a teacher. There are many golf quacks on line with no resumes to show for. I followed one for years and went no where. Thank good ness for the reality to finally breakthrough in teaching.
One of the greatest golf teachers ever-John Jacobs-considered that the body oriented emphasis in the swing was the death knell for very many golfers. As I recall in his teaching he taught (essentially) that the golfer should swing down from the top with the hands and arms and turn through impact with hips and body. The rest of his teaching largely focused on a wonderful ability to diagnose faults from the flight of the ball and give corrective advice thereafter
I think flick felt the same way. I need to learn more about John Jacobs
If you haven't already got it get Practical Golf by John Jacobs. Great instruction book and wonderfully written
Good golly Brendan, Jacob’s Practical Golf has to be among the top ten if not top 5 instructional books. My library has over 50 authors and a until you introduced me to Tony about 2 years ago, Synergetic Anticipatory Activation was something that I couldn’t fathom. 38 years of left hand/arm control took 2 years to cure but now, thanks to you and the unique instructors you’ve introduced to me, I’m shooting regularly in the 70’s and hitting it 20 yards more with uncanny consistency.
I regard Hogan as the greatest ever but along with other inconsistencies in 5 lessons, the bands on the hips was a horrible image. It ruined me for years. Of course the lower body moves first but it took Tony to clarify the neuromechanical ABC (arms, body, clubhead) process. Ernest Jones also alluded to this.
I posted here as my poke at Hogan may anger a large audience.
BTW, Bill Melhorn was the first that I’ve come across to mention the hammer analogy.
This is one of the greatest videos and exclamations on the golf swing I’ve ever seen my swing has gotten so much better just by watching this about once a month
Nice! Your last several hundred videos or so had already convinced me on this concept, but this right here is the tightest version of it yet. Thx for editing it all up! Keep up the great stuff.
Can’t stress this enough that this is a feel vs real thing to help you stay more in sequence
Facts
When using a hammer you don't use your hips to drive the nail into the board.... but you do engage your core.
when swinging an axe at a tree you're not all wrapped up in how you use your hips... there's just a sequence of muscle use that has to come naturally.
golf is so ridiculously over thought out
Perfect comment
Nicely written but those are somewhat inaccurate comparisons. Hammering a nail is not rotational. And did you ever try to wield a long handled ax with just your arms? You are synchronizing your hips and arms when you cut down a tree. Plus neither analogy deals with the rotational aspect of the club head which hammers and axes don’t require.
All parts of the kinetic chain are connected and they require synchronization for a powerful repeating swing. As I mentioned, Malaska comes closest to a usable instruction when he talks about directing these forces rather than trying to parse where they start. But by all means, you do you and all the best.
@@rhinoragni8349 yes I really enjoy your expansion upon what I'm saying. Allow me to further clarify about an axe being swung at a tree... my perspective (theory) in golf that would be a tree that's going to be taken clean off in 1 swing! It's a tree that is about 1 inch around and has a bunch of dimples in it😆
It absolutely is, I have spent years of my life over-thinking the golf swing.
Now that I am not trying to be pro I started getting better because I was only playing for fun and the love of the game.
It's funny how you can get better without practicing.
@@eazybleezy I know 2 people who are incredibly good and never go to the range....one of them is a girl that we golf with. She doesn't ever think about the golf swing, she just hits at the ball.
Brandon, just watched this again. It's a really good collection of alternative and conflicting thoughts and explanations. And of course it's a good example of people saying what they feel, then video showing them doing something completely different. For the player the feel is truth. For the learner video is truth.
Tiger played that entire pga season at a +10 better than scratch handicap lol. Insane
My first thought after 10 seconds of this video was “Brendon, Mike’s [Malaska] been telling you this for years”.
Melted Butter Exactly!!!
All these guys saying body rotation is the new best way are nuts! Hit it with your hands !! Just like throwing a ball, your body instinctively knows what to do. Great video.
When I started I couldn’t turn so my teacher told me this . Yes this requires timing and a lot of practice . But what she told me works for me and good I stuck to it. It works .
That little clip from Harmon/Tiger from Golf Channel with Peter Kessler is my holy grail; and the one thing I have picked up from it if you watch it closely: he does a short little check swing from top of backswing (like a checking of the shoulders as if you’re “taking” a pitch that you don’t swing out) - that gets the shaft shallowed and out in front of the rt shoulder a little. From there. His hands drop down closer to his rt thigh and he twists the left wrist into flexion bowing as the hands get into that position
Instead of reinforcing bad habits on the range before a round. Go stretch for fifteen minutes then practice putting to get a feel of green speed. Leave swing thoughts at home or office.
That home video swing is the best swing I've ever seen! GOAT!
One of the best RUclips golf videos ever!! Thanks Brendon!
I've always taken the hips to be purely about positioning the upper body in a way that it can complete a neutral plane, maxxing speed through centrifugal force. If your plane axis is changing through the swing, you're losing potential kinetic energy from the tip of the club head.
So you rotate them back a bit (30 deg) to get your arms out and around to the 2nd parallel, and from there, my hips are opening in conjunction with my swing, so that my arms can come down quickly, controlled, and on a single plane back to the ball at a good path. The consistency I get with this is pretty good for someone of my ability (15 hcp)
Congratulation Tiger on your 5th Green Jacket! 🎊🎉
Amazing!
Golf is either fixed and they're getting messages to the leaders on when to bogey or worse so tiger can win due to ratings and sponsorships plummeting since Tiger last was somewhat on top 2013ish........or........ that was the greatest feat in sports history, you decide
The french guy dumped on purpose.
And the memorial a couple times, some wgc events and the players in 2001. Insane
That explains why I had such an easy entry in golf, I played baseball before, helped a lot not learning the wrong things in golf.
Yeah, u had good hands
Tiger is just a genius-Congratulations on all your accomplishments
this is good to hear because i've been trying to use my body and hips for years but it never worked for me, just couldn't get that to work. seems i do my best golf when my thought is to keep the body quiet and let it react to the arms, hands, club going down.
You might be able to pull down fast from the top if you have very fast, tour- pro-like hip action; if not, don't pull down form the top; most amateurs do this already and come way over the top because their hips and lower body are nowhere near as athletic as a tour professional. Most amateurs don't get their hips out of the way enough; their hips look stuck in cement; lol this vid is only for those with hips as fast as Tiger or Rory; lol
D S this videos for good golfers. If u can’t break 80 then go watch something else
D S I think you’re confusing a couple of things here. Namely early shoulder rotation with arm speed. If you rotate your shoulders first then yes you will be over the top or steep. As long as you plant that front foot first, You can fire your arms as fast and as soon as you want. The body will react to create space for your arms IF you loaded pressure onto that front foot first while keeping your head behind the ball. Think homerun baseball swing. It isn’t the driving of the hips that creates speed. It’s the forward pressure under the front foot for leverage followed by fast arm speed to transfer into the clubhead for snap through the ball, like throwing the clubhead. This isn’t “flipping” mind you. You’ll still have enough forward lean. This is simply allowing the forces to go to the clubhead to allow it to go fast and “feel” like it’s catching up instead of handle dragging through impact.
golf is hard for this... not all amateurs are the same.. some are 20 and incredible athletes that have 20 handicaps, some are 55 with 2 handicaps... You cannot just group amateurs all in one category. There are so many athletes in this world that have more potential than the top golfers but are playing fornite instead of golf and will never realize the potential.
I mean, with that old swing he was already mutiple pga tour winner including 1997 masters which he won by 12 strokes and that is still his personal best round at Augusta. He would've done Tiger slam without swing change anyway. He is just built differently
golf swing is not totally vertical or totally horizontal, but if you think of it as primarily vertical like a slightly tilted ferris wheel with your arms/club swinging under your sternum/shoulders vs primarily horizontal with your torso turning. swinging more up and down under your shoulders you gain effortless swing speed and also clubface countrol... so your arms swing down and thru under your shoulders as opposed to swinging around from the turning of your body and shoulders
This is why better players and pros like heavier clubs. And higher swingweights. Because when the head of the club feels heavy, it's easy to feel the club and the release. If youre trying to hit it with what feels like the arms and the club, not the body, you want some weight that feels like you'll get some power behind the shot.
I noticed this right away when I went to a heavier swingweight. It just feels like finally you can use your arms and also let the club do the work. After years of being stuck and hips way too early, Monte and this has been huge.
Most helpful swing video I've ever watched.
Carp thx
Just learned this last week courtesy of Mike Malaska, too much instutruction talks about rotation and fast hips when the feel is actually letting your arms swing in front of your body which gets the club turning over nicely without any manipulation
I had a baseball coach tell me light, soft hands make for harder hits. Driving balls on a line. I just translated light soft hands and arms to golf. More speed and in control.
Keep the elbows in front of the hips. Great video, have been working on this for 2 years and have really improved
Pulling the chain and releasing from the top work together if you have a soft left grip at the top.
All of the best instructors in one video telling you to release the club and arms. Maybe everyone should try it.
Brendan, I know this is an old video, but I go back to this video and rewatch it often. I watch your videos because you're curious and always searching for that one thought that will make it click. I'd like to see you go with this swing thought and see where it takes you. Maybe document it like your crush 100 type stuff, just working on this feeling
they talk about something so simple in such a difficult way that they are talked paralyzed via analysis... golf swing is just walking and arms just swing on the shoulder socket and we dont think it and this is the same function in the golf swing... to have active arms = early extension and i totally disagree with the comments of this video
I hit snap hooks when my arms out race my lower body. Need to sync them up. Hit as many balls as Tiger has under the tutelage he’s had and you would hit it pretty good too.
The separation between the two halves of the body on the backswing, if you turn the lower body on the way down, you'll need to move the hands in front of you because otherwise you'll get stuck. If you're using the whole body on the way back (free hip turn) and separate on the downswing, the arms cannot get stuck no matter how hard you drive the hips, because the body isn't significantly twisted.
If you separate on the backswing, this "hands first" idea works decent, but requires extensive timing. If you separate on the downswing but use full body on the backswing, arms first will destroy your timing if you don't use the lower body.
In other words, a restricted hips swing requires arms first for timing. A full body doesn't require arms first. It's a modern concept and isn't necessary if you're swinging correctly.
I think many many golfers when thinking of a 'body swing' get way in front with their hip turn. Also their angle of attack is usually from the inside as the correct attack plane is counter intuative.
Been struggling lately with hooks and this makes sense, I was watching this and had no idea it was your vid.....scrambled whole tournament with tee shots......i give this a go
So to say it simply, don't use the hip turn too much. Too much hip turn too soon = bad shot.
I used to be criticized a lot for being an "arms and hands" player. But the guys that told me that, they could not beat me. Plus, I felt like I was turning just fine. Got good results.
And like Monte Scheiblum says here, too much hips too soon is not a good thing.
Got to put things in proportion in the golf swing I'd say.
That's my 2 cents.
Nice vid here.
0:23 I thought that was me in the video, that right heel coming up super early
Can you share the name of the last instructor that was talking about Neuromuscular activation? Thanks for this video! I'm a hitting instructor for baseball. It seems the new "science" points everyone to what it looks like and bypass feels like what are described here. Hips and then hands is the most misunderstood idea in the baseball world. For EVERY player that has a dad that says "he doesn't use his hips enough, he's all arms" its always the opposite. These players have excessive external rotation of the hips and the reason it looks like "all arms" is because the arms are disconnected and chasing the hip rotation (Like the Ole). So, ultimately it is all arms but the fix "fire your hips more" exacerbates the underlying problem.
Moe Norman gave the secret away. The hips should rotate naturally not forced. If you rotate your hips at the top of the backswing your arms will get stuck behind and thats where you either have to flip the club at impact or you leave it wide open!!
It seems to me there are a number of successful players on each side of this debate. I would call one group arm swingers, and the group core rotaters. The arm swingers are more upright in posture, and straighten the right elbow earlier in the downswing. This type of action dominated golf in the 70's-2000's. The core rotaters are much more horizontal in upper body posture during the downswing which creates a lot of space making them less likely to get stuck. They keep their right elbow bent longer. Players like DJ, Hogan, Mahan, and Woodland are examples. Their power comes from both rotation of the core, as well as late internal rotation of the right shoulder. The release is more low and left. There are a few like Tiger who have swung both ways. I don't have a problem with either method. Whatever works.
That's great but I have the opposite problem as an older golfer. I must feel as if I'm opening the hips first or the arms will make it down before opening...
Great video. In the early days I played better because I was not thing and then over thinking the swing. I just wanted to hit the ball to the target.
(Comming from tennis)
I meant to ad d that do the long hitters all - also once the weight shift is initiated by the hips use their arms, wrists and hands to accelerate and create more swing speed and distance - yes, absolutely !
What golf swing feels like and what it looks like are two different things--- and this is what average golfer doesn't get. And I really think average golf pro does a pretty lousy job explaining this to people that want to learn. I have learned more from watching Mike Malaska than anyone else ----- Also enjoy your channel and have picked up some tips. Thanks.
NOPE, still looks like his shift by the lower body starts the down swing and THEN the arms.
This is so GOLD and this concept changed my ball striking to another level not from this video but this video gives me more confidence im on the right track. Watch Bradley hughes "hands out is down" and its the same concept Tiger is talking about. get the hands NOT the club, but get the hands in front of your body and rotate with your pivot.
I will
People are trying to complicate this and making the golf swing a violent movement. Smooth is fast!
Folks also forget that Tiger won the 2001 TPC. So Tiger had all 4 majors plus TPC at the same time. That is likely never happening again.
Hogan said to start the downswing with rotating the hips, and let the arms follow.
true but he also says that he consciously fires his arms after. We should also consider hogan was 150 lbs and may not have had the strength that top athletes have today to be consistent using an arm heavy swing. Hogan is pretty open at impact and his arms are pretty far back... it almost seems like hogan gave being "stuck" the finger and rotated even more to square up
Hogan also tried to make everything in his swing anti hook. So yeah, if you leave the club behind, you won't hit a hook if you can keep rotating and the face open. He also played super flat clubs.
I don't really think Hogan is the best person to copy for most people. He's very unique.
First of all he has a middle plane swing where you start swinging down with your arms first if a swing plane is flatter you start more with the hips
2:58-3:18 Thanks red shirt guy. I’m having so much success with that.
Really enjoyed that. One of your best video so far. Keep it up👍
This is a product of the modern swing. Modern golfers are taught to dump the club through impact which causes a disconnection between the arms and lower body. In the more classic swing golfers rotated the club through impact with their bodies
Not many here will believe this, but before he was a TV announcer and had to sort of slide into "be positive about almost everything any good player or any teacher says about the swing" mode (which put him in the position of advocating completely contradictory things from one week to the next, sometimes from one segment to the next), he was actually a great teacher and theorist, and I imagine he's still an excellent teacher if you work with him personally, based on what I knew of him in the '70s and '80s.
Here's the point: In his book The Inside Path to Better Golf, possibly the most underrated and underread great instructional book ever, he says exactly what Woods is saying here -- that in his best swings, he tends to feel that the arms are having to catch up to the club, and the shoulders and torso are catching up to the arms and club. It's not quite true, but it's a feeling of free-swinging instead of shoving and levering the club around with the shoulders and body. It's exactly what Woods is talking about here, only Kostis was writing this in 1982. Toski, Flick, Love Jr., and a few others were saying it well before that, even.
Which is not to disparage Woods or Harmon. Quite the opposite. I'm confirming that they're working in a long tradition of solid good-player theory and practice.
stephen f great analysis.
@@BEBETTERGOLF thankyuh, thankyuverramussh ;-)
I don’t know why this came up on my feed today.
Brandon, I believe this hip spin-out problem was one of your main issues.
Someone commented about hammers and axes and I wholeheartedly agree with him. Bill Melhorn, from my research first mentioned the long hammer analogy but as the poster stated, it must be expanded to imagine hitting through the ball/nail.
Tony and I have corresponded on a few points and his ABC and Anticipatory Synergetic Activation shed some light on Ernest Jones’ “swing the clubhead” and “lower body are followers” instruction. I never appreciated EJ until then.
Mike Austin said, “That damned Hogan ruined it for everybody” in connection with Hogan’s personal feeling of the rubber banded hips and initiating the downswing with the hips.
Only Hogan is Hogan. No one, not Gardner Dickinson nor John Schlee could imitate him to a T. We all have our own keys, images and physical attributes and produce “serviceable” shots with methods as unique as fingerprints.
Has anyone tried hammer throwing? Spinning the hips a la Hogan just doesn’t work.
Thanks, Brandon. Been watching your “unique voices” series since you first posted and ended up totally reworking my swing under Mike Austin’s tutelage with a bit of Tony and Joe Dante (esp. the “Early Backward Wrist Break”) thrown in.
Gained distance and dropped my hc from 7 to 5. This 67 year old can’t be happier.
Thx 🐧
I think this applies to all that got taught "fire your hips first and keep ur arm passive";
This is exactly my swing thought. Works really well for sequencing and consistency. Great stuff! 👌🏻
Nice video, this should go viral