Caller Claims God is Everything AND Nothing??! | Matt Dillahunty and Dara the Magic Skeptic
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2024
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Jonathan from Texas calls in to argue that consciousness is God. He asserts that God is everything and nothing and that logic is an attribute of God. Hosts Matt Dillahunty and Dara the Magic Skeptic find Jonathan's arguments incoherent and contradictory, leading to a contentious debate. Dara points out the flaws in Jonathan's reasoning, explaining that defining God as everything in the universe or as the laws of logic is not compelling. He also argues that the laws of logic would exist even in a world without God. Matt becomes increasingly frustrated with Jonathan's inability to listen and make logical arguments, leading to several moments where Matt mutes Jonathan and expresses his exasperation. The conversation takes another turn when Jonathan attempts to generalize his argument to all religions, claiming that religious leaders were trying to say the same things. Matt strongly objects to this, asserting that Jonathan lacks knowledge about the history and diversity of religions.
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Religion was created by people who don't know how to say, "I don't know."
It’s pretty terrifying to many to admit they don’t know something
@@MrMattSax the ludicrous stories we came up with are a testament not to truth, but that fear.
@@MrMattSaxI don’t know how my heart keeps beating without me doing anything. So terrifying. Therefore God.
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@@chrisking6695 oddly, you could actually learn the biological and neurological processes that cause your heart to beat.
Hmm,I don't know...
If "I'm gonna mute you..." isn't on a T-shirt, it needs to be.
The confidence with which these theists trot out all this made up BS is amazing.
amazingly irritating 🤦🏽♂️
When you let confirmation bias take complete control of your brain.
His confidence comes from having billions of dumbasses in his corner
I find it even more astonishing that how totally unprepared they enter this show. Didn't they watch any of these shows? Obviously not, because this guy has called in before. It's remarkable they find such "arguments" like God is everything and nothing" so convincing that they don't consider there might be coming some questions.
They take Dunning-Krueger to the next level.
The inability of theists to answer questions is infuriating.
What part of "god is everything and nothing " was incoherent?
It seemed *VERY* rational to me.
Completely unrelated, I have a hat that keeps the CIA from controlling your thoughts, I can show you how to make one.
Purple said awful flat, but if not TV.
Camerman.
It surely is frustrating. It may be for the better if we don't watch this slop. I'm done reviewing this crud !
Because they never call in to have a discussion, they call in to preach their bullshit.
@@Quinn37 😂
Nothing this guy said was coherent in the slightest.
I love seeing comments like this, it means I’m in for a treat of a video 😊
So in other words, God this guy said was coherent in the slightest 😂
I get some of what he is trying to say, because I used something like that in an RPG setting :) That if there is an "All" it is also "Nothing" and wholly incomprehensible and unnatainable.
The problem is that he goes from that sort of metaphysical musing to the existence of a God. Which you absolutely cannot do from those premises. Once you've postulated that there might be something impossible to understand or reach, you may say nothing more about it...
...Or everything he said wasn't coherent in the slightest?
You're clearly wrong because he was absolutely able to back up his incoherent nonsense with more incoherent nonsense and that magical makes it profound, because reasons. After all the plural of word salad is clearly truth and not verbal diarrhoea.
"You don't understand Matt, I need to put my god where nobody can touch or doubt him cuz it hurts to get out of denial."
Spouting disjointed terms can only impress feeble minds.
"God is everything and nothing"
"That's a contradiction"
"Contradictions are an aspect of god"
"That's not logic"
"God is also the source of logic"
"What? Logic doesn't come from a source"
"Because god is eternal!"
"I am going to mute you..." 😂
The caller's God reminds of that old Jeff Beck song's lyrics: *"You're everywhere and nowhere, baby. That's where you're at."* Everything and nothing, what bollocks !
This is one of the most incoherent "arguments" I ever heard from a theist. And that's saying something because all their arguments for their god(s) are incoherent.
and there's still people trying to defend his argument...
Everything is everything and nothing is nothing! Praise the Holy Pink 🦄 Unicorn! 🙏
Ohh no no! Its the green goblin, trust me 😊
I laughed so hard.
Matt said this guy's argument back to him and he goes "Can you repeat that, I didn't understand the argument."
Yeah dude, because it's incoherent babble
Pathetic word salad. Probably learnt from Jordan Peterson.
"Peterson Word Salad" 😉
Maybe not misogynistic enough
Well, that depends on what you mean by "Pathetic." It also depends on what you mean by "word salad." This is a very complex statement. One must acknowledge the underlying verisimilitude that is irrevocably nested with a multi-layered metaphysical substrate which many people fundamentally conflate with their ideological presuppositions with no uncertain irregularity, causing the inadvertent dismissal of Jung's archetypal extrapolation of the quintessential axiomatic juxtaposition required to achieve Raskolnikov's magnitude of Neo-Marxist existential nihilism...🤣
@@Danny451 🤣 good one
@@Danny451 i couldnt help but read that entire paragraph in Evil Kermits voice 😂
"God is everything and nothing!"
Say what? I think my brain is bleeding.
I accept half of Jonathan's definition of God. I'm happy to agree that God is nothing ;-)
I'm 5 minutes in and this apparently somehow goes on for another 15 minutes.
"If you're limited." Translation: "You have to have a high IQ to understand my incoherent nonsense."
limited from being a sucker for W00
God seems to be synonymous with synonyms.
And apparently, antonyms.
I agree with the "God is nothing" part.
Nice to see Matt and Dara together.
“Christianity made me talk like an idiot”
It's always awkward when someone has the same name as me. When watching "The Secret of NIMH," my family likes to tease me whenever Mrs Brisby says, "I wish Jonathan was here..."
And my sister overheard him say, "Why can't you answer a simple question, Jonathan?!" Now she won't stop teasing me.😂😂😂
Best not let them watch _Buffy the Vampire Slayer_ then. In that show Jonathan is a very troubled person.
Jonathan is right....😳....God is everything and nothing....😳....everything and nothing is an impossible construct that people come up with.....just like God😳
True😂
His first words were : *" I THINK"*
Nuff said !
7:15 How ironic. That's Bicycle's Arch Angel deck lol
Posdible fortuitous weirdism. Possibly not. What're the odds that a magician who is also a spokesatheist might ...
There happen to be bright lights on the front of cars. Where bright lights turn out to be very useful.
Ironic?
imagining "Amazing Randi" do a similar explanation.
In the beginning was the Word Game and the Word Game was with God and the Word Game was God🤷🏽♂️🫣
Irrational seems a good way to describe something that is AND isn't.
No, that's impossible, not irrational.
@@RationallySkepticalWhy can't it be both?
@@TheFinalFanboy Because it breaks the law of non-contradiction.
@@cy-one No, it doesn't. "Irrational" and "impossible" aren't contradictory. In fact, something can be impossible because it is irrational.
@@cy-one That is true, but it isn't relevant to what I said.
This guy literally sounds like he has 2 working brain cells fighting for 3rd place.
where did caller get his logical class degree?
Facebook university
@@TheSchranzschranz actually I think it’s McDonald’s university
Everywhere and nowhere, duh.
@@wizardsuth😂
Magicskeptic added a lot to this call. Great job 👏🏾
It's astounding how even words can mean whatever for these people as soon as they insert GOD in it. "Well to US coffee is a drink but to GOD it means the people of Brazil"
So right off the bat you’re saying GOD is in your head… I totally agree.
Co-host Dara's reactions whenever Matt goes off is pure gold!👍🏽🤣🕺🤯
building on arbitrary crap and buried under it!
I just pooped, and apparently god came out. If it's everything, it's my poop. God smells, but I sprayed the god scented air freshener, but since he's poop, it didn't help.
Light a match, god is flammable... 🤘🤣
well, nothing is both 1 and 0 yet, until quantum computing is realized, a Qubit in theory could be both 1 and 0. a bit more complicated than that, but that's the jist, i hope.
While that is true, I don't think the caller had capacity to understand anything from your sentence :D
People who are arguing that they should've let him talk more are as dishonest and wrong as this caller.
This grade school logic and people should never take it seriously.
The cool thing about religion is that you can babble about anything and believe that it is true because you know God.
"Put the bong down". Brilliant. Good advice for the Jonathans of this world!👍🏽🤣🤯
I will never understand these callers that try so avidly to speak over and interrupt the hosts. It goes their way exactly 0% of the time! You will never successfully speak over the people that can mute you when you don't let them finish their thought 😂 When the hosts are speaking you shut up. Why is that so hard!?
I bet it would be really useful to everyone to see "caller has been muted" in the centre of the screen, whenever it happens.
My wife yells that I'm god all of the time. Does that mean I am? 😅
Maybe. At least you exist, in so far as I can tell
Some days I'm not sure if do exist 😅@@vicariouschism86
Well a happy wife ☺️
Dara just gave me the perfect debunk for the Transcendental Argument for God. Thank you Dara 🙂
For reference, TAG postulates that God created the laws of logic
The transcendental argument is really easy to debunk.
How many gods are there? One, right?
Well, ONE is a number. You cannot have ONE god without ONE.
Thus god is ontologically dependent on the number one.
And the number one arises from logic.
Thus god is ontologically dependent on logic itself.
Thus god could not have created the laws of logic.
QED.
Impressive beard, Matt.
"God is everything and nothing," and "I don't think god is a thinking agent." Jonathan isn''t a theist at all!
" Everything AND Nothing" = Null Set yep, that assertion sums it up. We luv you Matt!
God is everything & god is nothing??
Breaking news: God IS a Mudvayne song😮!!!!!!
What is the cereal trade all about?
I'm actually interested in seeing the Venn diagram Dara said he could draw up explaining logic being separate from God.
This guy's entire argument feels like something someone would say high out his mind on pot!
Dunno what it was (perhaps it was Dara's open and friendly demeanor), but the theists on this particular show were so hilariously off the wall and random that it had me in stitches for the whole darn session.
1:17
half of my brain cells died listening to this.
Reminds me of this guy who seemed to claim that he understood how people think because of alternate universes.
I miss the old Dillahunty so much
Honestly, the question of "Why is logic?" Is actually pretty interesting. It just doesn't get you anywhere near a God.
Caller sounds like he got really high one day and had some kind of revalation
Epitome of blathering aimlessly.
Matt skipped medication today again! 😂😂
This is Matt's medicine, he's calm as a calm thing after doing this.
How is it possible for someone or anything to be something but nothing? To exist but not exist?
Jonathan sounds like he's been listening to Dennis Prager on intelligent design.
What the feck!
I had a good laugh at Dara everytime he laughed at what Matt said.
This was entertaining 🤣
We moved from fire, Waterhouse and such. Then the fun gods came along, Venus, Athena, Zeus nausea. Now it's boiled down to one God and various versions of rules and regulations.hopefully our planet will survive if and when we make the word God a word lost on legend and antiquity. Religion is wasted energy and a continuation of psychosis and superstitious beliefs that stifle human intelligence. Thanks Matt!
If you're limited, not even then should anyone except this.
i'm going to go to Jonathan's house... declare everything is one.... i am part of one... his TV is part of one... that TV is part of me... and walk away with his TV ... i'll take his money and cat too... because its not theft ... its all just part of me... im just taking my own TV and cat.
be cause ...
I am he
As you are he
As you are me
And we are all together
...
I am the eggman, (Ooh)
They are the eggmen, (Ooh)
I am the walrus,
Goo goo g' joob.
This is the guy at the party who thinks he’s a transcendent genius who corners you at a party and ruins your night with his incoherent, unbearably pretentious bullsh1t.
This is what happens if you live in an echo chamber where truth, reason, logic dont matter.
Goddamnit I fuckin love you Matt!
7:37
'Logic': I do not think that word means what Jonathan thinks it means.
Can religious people just admit the reason they believe is because they want to or it makes them feel good? It’s literally the only reason that can be accepted. Until and unless physical proof is provided, I remain skeptical.
I believed it because I was taught it as a subject in school along with other subjects such as math, history, geography, etc. I didn't have the ability to analyze it critically and doing so was strongly discouraged.
I think Jonathan is evrything and nothing.
The swedish chef from the muppets
Jonathan is what happens when your mom drinks during pregnancy
Logic would not exist if nothing existed. That is just logical. If nothing exists, logic does not exist. Logic can not exist if no thing can exist.
Hell yeah! Dara!
Logic is a result of how things work in our universe. If there are other universes where things work differently, logic would work differently to reflect that universe.
You can't define logic if you don't have anything to apply that logic to XD
Matt has all the right thoughts and insights, but the wrong temperament. The discussion would be much more effective (for me, at least]) if it wasn't such a combative conversation.
You know, I used to think this, but then I find myself missing Matt when other hosts allow the caller to waste 20 minutes running over them and restating the same falsified premise over and over
Yes and no. I get what you're saying but I kinda appreciate his almost immediate stoppage of the nonsense rambling.
You don’t like something. So what?
You like boring stuff?
@@cliftonmanley3882 What boring stuff? You forgot to say! Why does it matter what I like. I am big enough to be able to reach the off button. Are you?
Logic and math are languages
If god is not a thinking agent…than why call it god?
What does weed have to do with being wrong?
Let me define God into existence.
Jonathan has nothing in his head.
yeah, his logic is held captive by his belief? FREE your mind Jonathan.
This guy is what happens when you lose the plot.
Dara , is that a county Rosscommon accent Im hearing?
Just because you don’t know what his accent is called doesn’t mean you should just make up words. :/
@@Leith_Crowther Dara is Irish and the poster is talking about a county in ireland. Are you okay? Just because you probably don't know that Dara is from Ireland, do not shame the poster for trying to identify the specific dialect. You sound like an idiot
@@Leith_CrowtherAll words are made up...? 🤷
this is partially true.. god is dielectromagnetism. electrical inertia is not nothing but it is not a thing until it's polarized into a conjugate system of force and tension that has the appearance of solidity. basically, you can't perceive light/matter/electricity until it has a frequency and a wavelength just as you can't hear anything until there's a reverberation of the system.
Damn you guys gave that caller fuckin brain damage!😎
Whenever I hear people say stuff like "God is everything and nothing", I can't help but think of that old South Park episode where Kyle gets all existential and ascends, turning into a giant head and space foetus and a chicken monster. Do you think Jonathan's God turn into a foetus monster on a whim? :3
I'd prefer to define God as the hirsute chorus of the collective follicles of Matt's and Dara's beards. That may sound silly to you dear reader, but it surely has a better definition for any deity than "the laws of logic because logic doesn't have a source". That's one HELL of a gap Jonathan has shoved his God into.
Simple question for you:
Are you singular or plural?
Because if you are actually plural as opposed to singular, then you will likely live forever.
Again:
Are "you" single, or are you plural?
Are you a person, or are you people?
if you identify as singular, then how do you differentiate from plural?
Example: if I punch a steel door my hand will hurt badly, however, if I'm on sensation blocking medication then I will have no feeling of it.
Hence, if I can't feel the steel door through my punch, then how do I differentiate myself from the steel door?
How do I know where the steel door ends and my fists begin?
Everything and nothing is illogical.
If each of our consciousnesses is a part of god,
doesnt me not knowing what you think etc, sorta disprove that ?
Everyone should know, from "inside"other peoples consciousness, if they are all part of "one" god.
😁🌏☮️
Subconsciously something and nothing equal God in a conscience manner subconsciously when you're unconscious. :)
Logic objectively speaking isn’t an entity et all. It's inherently true per its descriptive nature. It's not a thing with inherent existence in itself and not an force or metaphysic power. It's objectively a descriptor and contingent on the observational abilities of extant sentient entities for its conceptual existence.
An conceptional existence is not any form of true existence. Some form of kantian dimension isn't necessary either as Truth isn't contingent period, it just IS. Hence Why Truth doesn't change, period. But our Apparent Truth always does.
I don't understand why its soo Difficult to just understand it and move the F$%k along.
Wrong. The Logos is a Person.
@@deniss2623
Nice Troll bait. G.G.
Jonathan and apologists in general seem to not understand that some sentences have more than one opposite.
For example: The universe came from something.
Opposites: The universe came from nothing. The universe didn't come from something.
The latter sentence *may* imply the universe came from nothing, but it may *also* imply that the universe has never come at all.
more dara 🙏🏻
There was never nothing.
If you take away a card did you defeat god?
All gods, all religions, all "holy" books are the creations of mankind.
god is yes and also no
Jonathan's argument sux 'n' blows simultaneously. _That's_ logical.
Cereals are everything and nothing. So is God. Therefore, God is cereals.