Brian Murphy: There are Some Schools in the Big 12 That Would Prefer to Be in the ACC | CFB
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Narrator: "Actually, no, there aren't any schools in the Big 12 that would prefer to be in the ACC"
Sorry but as a UCF fan and student, we prefer to be in the Big 12. Like yeah we like how close the acc schools are, but we like the competition and branding of the Big 12 more.
I don’t think the ACC would invite you tbh they would want more on the lines of Utah, TCU, Kansas, Iowa St, Cincy
Curious... What is the BIG12's brand?
@@brandonh5360 UCF would be more attractive than Iowa State and Cincinnati. From a market and competitive standpoint.
@@tarheel7406 What will the ACC brand be after the ones in court clawing to get out leave?
@@tarheel7406 i think it is one of innovation and modernization. Teams who can build and create a brand for the modern era for college sports. One of parity, loyalty, good following, and resilience.
This guy. Arguing that Big 12 schools would want to jump ship just so they could be in a conference with Cal and Stanford. Did he forget the Big 12 schools rejected these two when they were on the open market?
There was no mutual interest between the BIG12 and CALFORD. He's referencing the 4Cs.
Cal and Stanford play in empty stadiums
@@mohdradzi5072 Maybe..., it will be interesting to see the effects on attendance as the Tier 2 football programs move towards parity.
@tarheel7406 There actually was interest. 4 schools in the Big 12 voted no. Kansas, Baylor, TCU among them. It's amazing that people still ignore that fact.
@@lorenzohaynes3886 No, CAL & STANFORD would not have had an interest in the BIG12. It's not really accurate to claim that an internally considered school was "rejected", as they may not have been interested either. I will usually try and use the word 'passed". For instance....
The ACC internally considered every new BIG12 school and passed.
I will use "rejected" to mirror a similar claim, like the original comment.
Anyway, per its terms, the BIG12 only had a pro rata for 4 schools, and the 4Cs made far more sense from the B12's perspective.
No thanks. Just spent years dealing with drama from USC. Big 12 is wide open and has a chance to be the most competitive football conference in the country. Yormark is a breathe of fresh air coming from the PAC. Things are pretty good over here.
Zero interest in ACC without FSU/Miami.
I think that the ACC will be fine. Just add USF and some former Big East teams to the mix. They can keep its regionality for the most part.
they could be fine BUT I think when FSU and Clemson leave, the TV deal payout goes down....and that is why the backfill of USF and UCONN won't work. Because then the best of the rest will seek greener pastures .. most media types think it will be the big 12...but who knows.
I have to tell you WVU doesn’t want in the ACC anymore and haven’t for awhile. They turned us down twice and now they’re a mess. Actually most WVU fans are watching this mess with popcorn and a smile
I do see Virginia Tech, NC State, Pitt, and Louisville being added to the Big 12.
I’m not sure. Would depend if the ACC survives. Playing with Pitt and the East might be very appealing
Well damn. Lots of WVU fans are going to be SO MAD when they get into the ACC instead of being Left Behind in a Big 12 without Utah, Kansas, Oklahoma St, Arizona and the rest of the TOP of the Big 12. WVU should be PART of that move. But if you want to STAY and be the Big Dog of the Mid 12... well BYE.
West Virginia ad visited two acc schools this week.
If the ACC looks for more backfill, I suspect the priorities will be the 4Cs and maybe (finally) UCONN. WVU is a BIG12 type school.
As a Kansas fan, alumni, and donor, we want to stay in the Big 12
You will be GINE in less than 5 years. Probably SEC or B1G, but maybe ACC.
You are not Expanding your Stadium to stay in the Mid 12.
And at least 6 other Big 12 teams will also be GONE. You will NOT want to STAY after that.
We love you KU!
@@MercerKnowsBall Ha! HAhahahahahahahahahahahahhaha *breathes* hahahahahahahaahhahahaahahaha
Understandable. KANSAS has never been in an academic conference, it's historical rivals are in the new BIG12, and it has few competitive sports to maintain. I suspect the new BIG12 members that may have an interest in the future Tier 2 ACC (and it may not be mutual) are the eastern members and the 4Cs.
@@tarheel7406 Tarheel, you do a lot of "suspecting". You keep throwing "academics" out there...ok fine, but I would rather pass on a road game at Duke or Stanford with 10k to 20k fans. That makes for a boring environment. Your problem is that you likely haven't had exposure at many AAU schools across the country (many overrated undergrad) and typical non-AAU schools across the country (only underrated by people like you).
But of course you think N.C is a better football brand that Michigan, so there is that.
I’m a UC fan and I want nothing to do with the ACC.
we (WVU) already went through this once - the demise of the Big LEast - largely (if not entirely) caused by the ACC. NO WAY would we leave the stability of the B12 to join the unstable and "barely better than G5" ACC. The B12 has been very, very good to us. The ACC snubbed their noses at us repeatedly. karma's a b*tch.
Big 12 is the fall back conference for the ACC teams that don't make it into the SEC and Big 10. No Big 12 teams are going to the ACC.
The BIG12 is better described as the refugee collector.
@@tarheel7406better than being on the titanic.
@@savannahfan The BIG12 has already sunk in this context. Just no self-awareness.
@@tarheel7406 Considering the ACC took Cal, Stanford, and SMU who were all rejected by the Big XII, I'd beg to differ.
@@Guknowit Considering that the ACC has rejected every new BIG12 member, I'd beg to differ.
I think most mountaineer fans prefer the big 12 > acc.
You can't compete in the Acc. I don't blame you.
@@garlandalmarode6396 As if BC, Pitt, and GT can.
@@garlandalmarode6396 unc, va tech, pitt would disagree
@@garlandalmarode6396I love it you sound just like the PAC 12 schools before they melted down 😂
@@charliepiazza7533 Can you not see the difference between the PAC and ACC situations?
I only clicked on this one because I thought you would address why the four schools in the thumbnail were interested in joining the ACC… I didn’t realize they were just clickbait
Click all day big boy 😆
@@Phislammajamma4ever are you ok
UCF loves it in the Big 12 for suree
And we hope you stay there
@@jonm4501 well yes, its better than wherever conference you're in because you are here checking for Big 12 content while we don't think of you guys at all 😂 you must want in 😭
@@professorfinesser4322 This channel has recently been talking a lot on realignment, which does interest me.
Love being in the Big 12!
I love all the ACC fans they sound just like the PAC 12 fans right before it melted down. Keep talking about how the ACC is above the big 12 and we will see who’s left standing lol
The PAC was delusional; the ACC isn't.
There are some teams from the Big 12 that would rather move to the ACC?... He's DELUSIONAL.
Can we refrain from bringing on guests that are so insanely delusional to think that BIG12 teams would want to go to the ACC after FSU & Clemson leave?
Some or all of the 4Cs easily could prefer the future Tier 2 ACC over the already Tier 2 BIG12 if they don't eventually get a P2 invite.
I knew Tarheel would be here… I’m enjoying it! 🍿
@@scarcheer7211 I don't have a dog directly in this fight. Core and initial +4 BIG12 fans place no value in academics and overall sports while the 4Cs are former PAC. I doubt that the ACC would need the 4Cs; however, If the ACC depletes out heavily to the SEC/B1G, it may want them. mutual interest is easily possible.
Of course you don't... Suureee, just like the snake university you think is so great...dude likes to preach on a high horse oblivious to how out of touch with reality he is...
@@tarheel7406 "Core and initial +4 BIG12 fans place no value in academics and overall sports" Not only is this not true, it isnt even the point. No matter what lies you have been fed by the Big 10, none of this is about academics. My Core and initial +4 academic education was good enough to allow me to figure out this is about one thing, and one thing only....$$$$.
UCF fans and UCF itself prefer the BIGXII. We love the the brand and the programs we play!! We are loyal to the date that brought us to the dance
bogus....these schools don't want to leave the Big 12
I hope Brian Murphy comes back on when multiple ACC programs eventually join the Big XII after FSU and Clemson bolt.
I hope YOU come back so I can read your meltdown and tears when things go EXACTlY the OPPOSITE of the way you see it going.
@@MercerKnowsBall well I hope you come back when I come back so we can both agree to revisit this later at a different time.
he sounds silly
@@EhSteve989 I hope I come back when he comes back and you come back so I can watch this interaction from the shadows
No ACC member goes to the BIG12 if "only" FSU and CLEMSON leave.
I see the ACC adding USF soon. I don’t see UCF wanting back in the same conference. I don’t see TCU wanting to be in the same conference as SMU.
But you don't see the ACC yet. You are still looking at so Strawman ACC made up by people that still don;t see the REAL ACC
I can see that, if the ACC loses FSU and Miami. If Miami stays then UCF would jump at the chance to be a conference mate with them.
@@jonm4501 Not to dispute what you are saying. But that has nothing to do with what I am talking about.
The REAL ACC is going to be UP $20 Million in Income Next Year.
The Real ACC will not take either USF or UCF unless BOTH FSU and Miami LEAVE. Having 2 teams or more in 1 State is an Old Timey Business Model. (Unless it is a very Large State or 2 Major Brands or something that has existed since the Old Times before 2000).
1 team per State because the More States the More $$$. Because a Modern Business Model is built around Conference Network Plans and Bundles.
The only aspects of a Modern Business Plan going forward that remains unchanged is getting the Best Brands and Markets possible. Brands defined as programs with the Most Viewers. Markets defined as drawing from the Largest TV Markets (and the most populated States).
Plus - the Bundling. ACCN is now Bundled w the SECN and B1GN everywhere. So States w large presences of B1GN and SECN subscribers are IMPORTANT for the ACCN payout.
And Multiple States because the ACCN Payout is per subscriber. But the FEE per Subscriber is 1 Flat Rate in Sates without an ACC School sn 4 TIMES that Rate in States with an ACC team.
So ACC must have a team in Florida, but not 2. ACC got a team i Texas and California because those are 2 huge States. With the Bundle ACC is getting 4X the Rate for every SEC, B1G and ACC Fan in Texas and California. Every Texas. A&M, SMU, Oklahoma, USC, UCLA, Stanford, CAL and all other SEC ACC or B1G fans in those 2 States is paying the ACCN 4X the Rate starting next year.
ACC $$$ is RISING by more than $20 Million next year. And will continue to rise.
If you do not factor in State Population and SEC and BG and ACC fans living in those States you are missing HUGE aspects of the decision making process.
Oh yeah, of course they wouldn't want to be in a conference with their biggest rivals... what kind of logic is that? Of course they would like to play their rivals every chance they get. TCU and USF/UCF aren't good enough for the ACC academically though. Big 12 is weaker than anyone gives it credit to be
@@Maurice42-wf5pp since you clearly don’t understand Florida football culture. Here is a quick education….there are the BIG3 (UF, FSU, Miami) they are rivals and see each other as equals. They battle for every recruit and one’s success usually means at least one is suffering. Then there are the little brother UCF, USF. FUI, FAU. The BIG3 do NOT consider them equals and do NOT consider them rivals. They only schedule them to appease the state govt. the BIG3 do not believe there is room for additional power schools and hence shun them. The little brothers are all competing against each other to join the big3 as rivals and equals. Today UCF in the B12 has the lead. Should USF be added to the ACC and one of the big3 would be forced by the conference to schedule them annually. UCF would lose that lead. It’s important that USF doesn’t jump them.
*I don't think any school that is in the Big 12 wants to go to the ACC since Clemson and FSU are trying to leave.* Had FSU not been snubbed and made the final four, then there could have been some consideration for schools like West Virginia and Cincinnati and UCF; *_however,_* the way it stands, I don't think any of them want to go to the weakest P4 conference. As a TCU fan and donor (wife is alumni), we are good in the Big12 and don't want to join the ACC.
LOL... The BIG12 is the only former P5 that has fully depleted/backfilled that has survived. It's the worst P4 by far. Outside of the 4Cs, I don't see any likely mutual interest with a future ACC looking for more backfill.
@@tarheel7406bro you commented on every post you ain’t tired?
@@IOS336 Pushing back on delusion is entertaining.
@@tarheel7406 All that delusion is coming from UCF fans (the 1 year newbies).
Okay, I read the title of this article and was intrigued. Turns out the only reference to any BXII teams leaving for the ACC was a hopeful suggestion from the guest. Sorry guys, I normally enjoy your content , but this segment was nothing but bait and switch. I feel like you robbed me of the time it took to view this. Come on, you're better than this!!!
The ACC is going to survive, but it's going to look like The American in 2014. It'll have decent teams with some old names, but It'll be a level under the Big12. 2014 American had 6 current P4 teams. Unlike the American conference, I think the ACC will keep the remaining members once raided for the foreseeable future.
Just no self-awareness. Tier 2 football will be fungible, and an expected Tier 2 ACC will be better overall than the already Tier 2 BIG12.
@tarheel7406 ACC is garbage outside of 2 schools. You have irrelevant large programs that have been poorly managed for 20 years. ACC is getting lapped by the Big 12.
@@BigbubbaNeSmith By comparison, the BIG12 would then be all garbage.
Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024)
ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances)
B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy)
B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington)
PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington)
SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS)
BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014)
ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND)
B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX)
B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE)
PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE)
SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX)
Final Four Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024. 2020 N/A)
ACC: 9-5-3
B12: 5-3-2 (Excludes OK; includes Houston)
BIGEAST: 6-4-4
SEC: 5-0-0 (Includes OK)
B1G: 7-3-0 (Includes Oregon & UCLA)
Just no self-awareness.
@tarheel7406 Exclude FSU and Clemson because they are leaving the ACC. They will be followed by more schools, but we won't know who they are. Probably NC, Miami, Virginia, VT. What remains of the ACC at that point will be lesser than the current Big12. I am making the argument that the current Big12 is stronger than the ACC today. Not off of playoff appearances, but parody of competition and togetherness. My argument was never about success. That's not what matters in realignment. Outside of an invite to the SEC/BIG10, no Big12 schools are leaving or threatening to leave. The ACC is falling apart. What will be left is 6-7 original teams that'll backfill with the American.
You're safe, though. North Carolina will probably be Big10 or SEC at the end of this. Instead of 9-3 every year, you'll go 7-5.
@@BigbubbaNeSmith Please remember that the following confernce got an ~$30M per deal, a conference that had then lost its top 6 (aruabl 7) and was ~50% G5 equivalents:
WVU (small state low prestige flag)
CINCY (G5)
UCF (G5)
BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent)
HOUSTON (G5)
IOWAST (low population state #2)
KSTATE (low population state #2)
OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports)
KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball)
TCU (G5 equivalent)
BAYLOR (G5 equivalent)
TXTECH (G5 equivalent)
The BIG12 has ALREADY FALLEN APART!
It's the height of arrogance and delusion to think that such a depleted/backfilled former P5 is close to peer with a still largely intact ACC. If that were the case, the original BIG12 would have been so massively valuable that no member would have left.
Regardless, after the P2 consolidation, UNC will be eligible for the Tier 1 playoff while new BIG12 schools won't.
I mean.... I wouldn't rule out schools like WVU, Cincinnati, etc who have long relationships/rivalries with schools in the ACC potentially looking that way if a spot opens up. If say only FSU, Clemson, UNC leave, well then backfilling with a WVU, Cincy, UCF, USF makes sense and keeps the ACC in tact. I could see it.
Or those ACC schools coming to the Big12
@@stischer47 If the ACC "only" lost UNC, CLEMSON & FSU, why would any remainder go to the already Tier 2 BIG12?
@@tarheel7406 maybe because Big 12 is more stable, has a better AD, better branding, has contracts with ESPN and FOX, has access to the CFP, makes more money, and a more passionate fan base...just off the top of my head.
WVU (fans) want to pick apart the ACC and add it to the Big 12. Big 12 has been a great fit culturally, but closer teams would be appreciated
Clemson and SC rotate the smaller instate FCS schools on their schedule every year. One every year. They have been doing it for years and not because the state legislature forced them. They are just trying to keep the money instate.
Yea ASU and UA do the same thing
I wish that was the case in Florida
As a WVU fan living smack in the middle of ACC country, even with the opportunity to have closer away games to attend, i prefer the Big 12. The games are fun and competition is good..fans seem to care more, plus Brett Yormark gets it., But i would like to see at least VTech, NC State, in Big 12.
a) It's unlikely that the future Tier 2 ACC will have mutual interest with WVU.
b) After what feasible chain of events ends with Tier 2 ACC flights risks in the new BIG12?
@@tarheel7406 are you saying that "Tier 2" ACC teams would not have interest in joining the BIG 12? Who are "tier 2" teams
and who is tier 1 ACC in your opinion. Only Clemson and Florida State, soon to be in the Big 2 conferences are untouchable for Yormark.
@@WV-USAF I consider the Tier 2 ACC flight risks as MIAMI, VATECH, NCTATE, DUKE and maybe GATECH.
The Tier 1 flight risks are UVA, UNC, CLEMSON & FSU.
I totally agree with you. B12 schools would rather be in the ACC
Why? Specifically, the remaining BIG8 and SWC schools?
ACC should grab Tulane and Rice to become this academic powerhouse. They can find the cure to Ebola while the Big 12 and others battle for football championships.
Which the Big12 last won in.... 2005? The ACC has 3 football championships since then....
@@atgdcommish608 All three by teams wanting to leave the ACC.
@@atgdcommish608 by teams that won't be in the ACC any longer
How many have the big 12 won lately
a) The ACC is already the top academic P4.
b) No new BIG12 will win any football championships. That's why all of the tentpoles are consolidating into the P2.
It's not financially feasible for them to move to the ACC .
It is. But they can't come YET.
@@MercerKnowsBall But how? Especially if FSU and Clemson leave.
2 percent more playoff revenue
No that's wrong
"It's not financially feasible for them to move to the ACC"
And yet the same financial barriers exist for ACC to BIG12, yet people claim there will be such movement 100x a day.
Mack brown openly stated that he wishes that North Carolina would never schedule App State again after the final game of their 3 game set, which was the first series UNC played App State in decades. NC State just cancelled their 2025 game against App State for UVA.
This is exactly why this bill is being proposed. Keep tax money in state while having sold out crowds. This makes for awesome football with in state bragging rights.
There is no upside for UNC to play APPST or the other G5s in-state. The ACC is already NC heavy.
Proposed bills don't mean much until they're passed, which at best is a longshot in this case.
@@jonm4501correct. I doubt it will be passed as well. I was just stating the benefits and why this bill was even introduced.
The ACC was better fit for UCF but with all the turmoil and realignment and consolidation it’s just risky to go to the ACC. Not does UCF want to be in a conference that’s about to be backfilled in with more of their AAC brothers , though a usf rivalry would be great. But right now being associated with the B12 is better than a mish mash of ACC of under achievers , teams that leave, cal and Stanford that could go back to the PAC . B12 is in a position to pick up 4 more ACC teams
Finally a UCF fan that gets it. The war on I-4 was/is a legitimate hate rivalry, that draws a national audience. Yes a lesser known, but growing rivalry.
@@jonm4501 I’ve always said that them being in the same conference is a win for the conference and team but ucf shouldn’t go out of their way to make their dreams come true. Usf had an opportunity to be where ucf is now if not beyond , bigger and better. They just squandered their opportunity by not investing in their program. It could have been Ucf usf Uh and byu that was selected for expansion if they had done anything worth a damn the last 15 years. I wouldn’t mind them in the B12 but I think Ucf would like a little breathing room before they have someone in their backyard breathing down their neck. 2017 game showed the potential of that rivalry when u have a game that matters. Hopefully we can get there again
No one leaving big 12 .. stop
My picks in order:
WVU (backyard brawl)
Washington State
Oregon State
Colorado
Baylor
TCU
Kansas
just like picking out Christmas presents from the Sears and Roebuck catalog. Dear Santa . . .
No Big12 school would prefer to be in a ACC that does not also have FSU and Clemson. No school is thinking, "man it would be really great if we could leave this stable conference for this other super unstable one".
If Big12 schools wanted to be affiliated with Cal and Stanford as Brian suggests, those schools would have been invited to the Big12 and they'd be in the Big12 now.
a) If CLEMSON/FSU are gone and the only ones leaving, why would the BIG12 be more stable than the then ACC?
b) The BIG12 has already lost its top6 (net). You know this, right?
c) There was no mutual interest between the then BIG12 and CALFORD. The 4Cs likely think differently.
When the ACC added SMU they all but assured that they would not be able to poach any big 12 schools.
Why? SMU is just a fungible G5 equivalent Texas school along with TXTECH, BAYLOR, HOUSTON, etc.?
Nah.....
It truly is the slow part of the offseason where the topics of conversation become sillier and sillier. I don't buy the idea that B12 teams want to jump to the ACC at all. First of all, this idea started with Utah rumors that their athletic department shot down. Secondly, the B12 has a better media deal. Third, the B12 is a better basketball conference. This is all before FSU and Clemson leave. The B12 is in a much better position and has hands down better leadership than the ACC.
The BIG12's current market deal is expected to pat less than the ACC's far under market media deal.
Measured by the Final Four over the past ~10 tears, the BIG12 is #3 and the ACC remains #1.
As usual, no self-awareness.
2024 tourney BBall records
ACC 12-5
Big12 7-7
Talk about deep seeded denial.........this dude is out there . No one in Big 12 land gonna jump over to the ACC with increased travel costs and less revenue.
More revenue, but exit fees makes any moves between cost prohibitive.
@@tarheel7406 less revenue after FSU Clemson and UNC leave
@@michcoug Unlikely given how discounted the ACC deal already is.
I don’t believe this…this is just the ACC fishing.
not all schools in the B12 want to be there thats for sure
The only school that isn't happy, is Utah. They found success in a consistently overrated PAC12 and thusly have over inflated egos.
They think they draw eyeballs like the blue bloods. They don't, they're entitled. Quite frankly I think they're a good fit regionally and culturally, but, honestly I'd be happy to see them go. Don't need that ADs toxocity.
Everybody let this thing play out. Everybody has an inside source and everybody knows nothing.
Vet
Baylor Alum
Tier 2 football will be fungible, so the ultimate P5 remainders and better G5s will eventually want to align along other factors. Smaller regionals with some unifying brand/culture would be best. If no new Tier 2 PAC can be recreated, I can see the 4Cs and eastern new BIG12 schools preferring the future Tier 2 ACC. The 4Cs due to academics and overall sports; the eastern BIG12 for rivalries and geo.
Mutual interest and economic feasibility would be open questions as well.
BIG12 fans are so funny. They post daily vids and boo coos of comments about all of the ACC schools wanting the BIG12 but can't imagine the reverse. I'll repeat, an amicable realignment at the Tier 2 level after the dust settles is by far the wisest way to go.
Bargaining stage of grief now by the ACC.
perfect - shock, DENIAL, anger, acceptance (rinse and repeat)
Nonsense....
If FSU and Clemson leave.. ACC should add. USF, Tulane, Pac 2 schools and UNLV..SMU has a natural rival.. cal and Stanford have west coast rivalries.. UNLV is the wild card.. vegas market, tampa market with USF.. ... Look at Uconn and temple for Philadelphia marker and north east...
They're adding the USF for sure. They should get some Big East schools. I mean Miami was a former Big East school. The ACC will be fine and I'm not even in the ACC region.
Memphis would be a good pickup too. Good basketball team and won 10 games in football last season.
The ACC has already preemptively backfilled.
@@tarheel7406 Notre Dame is the wild card. If they leave too, which they could at the drop of a hat, that would change the dynamics for sure.
@@jonm4501 Nope... ND has the following legal entanglements with the ACC:
a) The standard GOR/exit fee for non-football.
b) A binding scheduling agreement.
c) The reported "must join if" agreement.
d) Most likely a binding assurance of not leaving to get CAL+2 approved.
Due to all of the special consideration ND has rec'd, it would most likely be enjoined from playing football in another conference if it tried to leave without an expensive settlement.
Again, only UNC, CLEMSON & FSU can leave in the near foreseeable per recent events. I also can't see CLEMSON leaving unless UNC does as well.
The 16 B12 fans bout to explode in 3..2..1
How much revenue is generated when the chemistry department sells tickets to watch a chemistry experiment. Academics important, but not revenue drivers. Schools with winning athletic teams tend to attract more tuition paying students.
Wrong. The Big 10 membership is comprised of Association of American Univesities (AAU). That is an academic distinction. It is also the richest conference making $60.5 million per full member.
The chemistry department has income from the government. They are as valuable as athletics. Research grants generate jobs.
Demand is not an issue for large universities.
Why so ignorant? This story is almost 3 years old.
this guy is trippin lol, away days at bc and Syracuse are by no means desirable to anyone\
Neither are the new BIG12 members. The question is how best should the P5 remainders align.
The only conference KU would accept an invitation to would be the B1G and that’s not likely to ever happen. However, if conference realignment goes off the rails and there’s a chance KU gets left on the outside looking in, they’d be thrilled to move to the SEC, which is even more unlikely. All I know is that the arms race that’s going on in conference realignment has all but ruined college athletics for half the country. Just how big can the SEC and the B1G get and still avoid watering down their own product? And how soon before we see the big boys start pushing out the “dead weight” schools that just don’t bring the ratings? It’s getting ugly…
I doubt the deadweight will get pushed out, but what I see as more likely, is the deadweight will be forced to take less money. In effect get the %share equal to their TV value. After all, the super league will need losers so the blue bloods always have the plus side records to get in to the CFP.
Yeah cfb needs to come back am done hearing about this topic please stop
The Big 12 is the, "Lifeboat Conference".
Really? I'm in the Big 10 (Ohio State) but I don't see the Big 12 as the lender of last resort. There are several teams that didn't receive Big 12 invites. The Big 12 is a Power 4 conference after all.
For Stanford, Cal and SMU, the lifeboat conference was the ACC. But they had to pay extra.
@@atgdcommish608 All 3 will STILL earn as much $$$ as they did LAST YEAR in the ACC for the next few years before they Collect their Full Share instead of BRIBING the ACC to let them in with large chunks of their Full Share.
ACC has a Pro Rata, you know. That $$$ is getting PAID to the ACC from ESPN. The Expansion teams thought it was worth it to let the ACC KEEP some of their Pro Rata $$$.
@@CarlaJenkinsTV Theres just a lot of Big 12 haters in these comments after the recent Pac 12 debocle for some reason. Ignore them. For whatever reason, there's people out there that have been praying for our downfall since day 1
@@CarlaJenkinsTV The BIG12 is seen as the option of last resort.
for most of the non national name (which is everybody) in the B12, moving into the eastern time zone is as big a loser and it is for most Only WVU and UCF could really see a benefit. For most of the ACC moving to the Central/Mountain time zone is a big loser. Like WVU, a couple of ACC teams would take a hard look, Pitt and Lville for instance.
I agree, the time zones and there impact on TV ratings is often overlooked. This is why the PAC12 fell apart.
Go Frogs..!!!!
Frogs are sissies
WVU is not leaving the big 12 for A C C that boat has sailed
I suspect the guest was referencing the 4Cs.
Are you just a shill for Florida State and the Big 12? Your guest says teams would be interested in leaving the Big 12 and you cut him off. How much did you pay for the Seminoles golf shirt by the way. What a joke of an interview.
Homey nonsense.
Kansas is not one of them.
I agree.... No history of a high academic association, an original BIG8 member still remaining, and no large number of competitive athletic programs to maintain.
ACC has fair weather fans. It is where good football programs go to die!
Fl St is really the only Blue Blood in the conference. Clemson has had 2 periods of football success and can’t maintain it.
What P5 or equivalent has joined the BIG12 after its founding and thrived?
@@tarheel7406 well, we are just getting started.
I gotta feeling a few of our new members are going to do just fine.
Let’s watch it play out and see what happens.
The ACC has had much more time to prove itself.
Again, outside of VT winning the ACC a few years and making a little noise on the national scene, it’s been all Fl St and Clemson.
I think Utah is going to do alright, everyone is talking about Arizona and Co but I don’t expect much out of them personally.
I think UCF is going to be really good soon.
Kansas has turned the corner and making a huge investment in football, Ok State is and has been solid, TCU just made the playoffs, Kansas St is playing really good ball, and my Mountaineers seemed to have gotten back to their winning ways.
Ask Mack about us!
I’m looking forward to see how we match up with your Tarheels tomorrow on the diamond.
We are playing some pretty good baseball right now too.
Let’s Go!
@@scarcheer7211 The Tier 2 will likely be different than it was in the peer P5.
Im going to laugh my ass off if the A.C.C. gets a lot more $ and the Seminoles and Clemson stay. We will see how many Big 12 teams stay loyal to the conference. ESPN might want the A.C.C. to survive and have 3 power conferences. And the A.C.C. is kicking the Big 12 in baseball also. Better in football, basketball and baseball. The A.C.C. means more than the Big 12.
I can't see FSU being allowed to stay absent a miracle.
2023 Final D-Cup Standings:
ACC: 3 Top 10, 7 Top 20 (includes ND & STANFORD)
B12: 0 Top 10, 0 Top 20 (excludes Texas)
B1G: 2 Top 10, 5 Top 20 (includes USC and UCLA)
PAC: 0 Top 10, 0 Top 20 (excludes USC, UCLA & STANFORD)
SEC: 5 Top 10, 8 Top 20 (includes Texas)
Schools that finished 8x or more in the D-Cup Top 10 (1993/4 - 2022/23)
ACC: 4 (STANFORD, UNC, UVA, CAL)
SEC: 3 (TEXAS, FLORIDA, GEORGIA)
B1G: 5 (UCLA, MICH, USC, OHSTATE, PSU)
B12: 1 (ARIZ)
Florida State and Clemson aren’t staying and ESPN isn’t going to pay the ACC more out of the kindness of their corporate hearts. So everything you wrote after the word “IF” is meaningless.
Yeah, well a couple of years ago everyone was saying that the Big 12 wouldn't survive. And it looks like your a KanAss fan, I bet you would relish the fact of joining the S.E.C. if the offer were made. But until the A.C.C. is officially torn asunder the Big 12 is and always will be the red headed stepchild.
@@doninkansas-jr5yw No self-awareness. The conference below got an ~$30M per deal. A conference that had lost at least its top 6 and was ~50% G5 equivalents:
WVU (small state low prestige flag)
CINCY (G5)
UCF (G5)
BYU (special/unique P5 remainder equivalent)
HOUSTON (G5)
IOWAST (low population state #2)
KSTATE (low population state #2)
OKSTATE (low population state #2, solid overall sports)
KANSAS (vanilla flag, blue basketball)
TCU (G5 equivalent)
BAYLOR (G5 equivalent)
TXTECH (G5 equivalent)
Let that sink in.
@@doninkansas-jr5yw Kind of like the Big 12 in College football now. And don't be bragging on T.C.U.'s worst ever championship loss. The Bread Crumb Conference sounds like a good new name to me
Maybe WVU, Cincinnati & UCF
Not even them.
10 years ago when half the Big East went to the ACC yes, but now...no thanks. Suck it Louisville. 😅
The ACC wont survive once their best teams leave their only chance of survival is doing what the pac12 refused to do which was merge with the big12 and now they're a dead conference if the ACC has a brain theu will merge or die
The BIG12 has lost its top 6 (net) and survived (though that required PAC incompetence).
There is no purpose for a large and wide Tier 2 conference.
More stupid clickbait. Come on.
Until I see more, I see no B1G interest in CLEMSON, so to where is CLEMSON going if FSU is the only other leaving?
More propaganda, Pac 12 made the same noise before hitting the iceberg.
The PAC was delusional; the ACC isn't.
Academics, lol!
Yes, relatively speaking, BIG12 academics are laughable.
Within 5 years EVERY Big 12 school will WANT to be in the ACC.
But only the Top 5 or 6 Big 12 schools will get in. But another 1 to 3 will get into the SEC and Big too.
Enjoy your last few years playing against your Top 6 to 8 Brands Big 12.
They will all be GONE and you will be backfiling with the ac 2 and G5s. Still pretty good though
Dream on. You come up with the weirdest predictions. Take your medicine.
lol
Talk about delusions of grandeur.
Whats your problem? lmao
@@stischer47 I am dealing with FACTS you don't know.
If you knew what I knew you would agree with every word I say. But you are CLUELESS.
Watch and See. I am INEVITABLE you are in NEVER.
big-12 fans little brains are about to explode. The fact is no one is proud to be in what is affectionately known as the "trailer park" conference.
If most these mid 12 teams had better options they would try to leave. But Somehow the big-12 has a magical more unbreakable binding grant of rights. Pray the ACC GOR breaks. Sure.
Half of the original big-12 teams already escaped this relegation league asap.
What do you mean? We're proud of the moniker. Too bad your feelings are so weak.
BYU fans are proud and ecstatic to be in the Big 12.
No one wants to join that sinking ship, this is silly.
The BIG12 has already sunk, so what should the eventual P5 remainders do?