Australian Kelpie Mix: Fundamentals of Behavioral Training
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- Опубликовано: 2 янв 2015
- About this video: Tyrone is a 2 y/o Kelpie mix that becomes territorial in the house with guests, exhibits anxious behavior out on walks, and becomes demanding (nipping and jumping) when he wants to play. In order to teach him to regulate anxiety, protective impulses and playful behavior it is necessary to build a strong responses to obedience cues, so that we have the means to communicate when necessary, and redirect his energy to a more positive outlet. Structured games of fetch (featured in video) and tug are also an integral part of Tyrone's training program so that he has a better means of expressing his playfulness. This video was taken over the course of an eight day board and train.
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Agree with other posts.. Kelpies dont require treats to be trained as theyre IQ is above that.. Bond and get a mutual respect with your Kelpie.. they live to please.. best dog.
Troy Stewart hi Troy, thanks for watching and commenting. Behavior is shaped by the acquisition of food. Behavioral components of the predation sequence can be seen in our dogs: eye stalking, flushing, chasing, grabbing, killing are all parts of this sequence. Different breeds exhibit stronger biases to different aspects of this sequence. Herding dogs have a strong predisposition to eye stalk, lurchers to chase, terriers to grab and kill (ie rodents). Food is a primary reinforcer, these behaviors (relative to the breed) can also be considered highly reinforcing as they play an important instinctual role for predatory animals in the .. acquisition of food. The fact that we deliver food to our dogs in a bowl and generally ask nothing more of them than “sit” or “stay” in order to acquire this food, deprives our dogs of a biologically programmed desire to work for their food. Check out articles and research on “contracted loading.” Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment. - Alyssa Rose, CPDT-KA
Alyssa Rose .. hi Alyssa.. thanks for the reply.. can i ask how tall you are? Reason is from viewing your video your Kelpie appears a much bigger dog than our Kelpies in Australia. I found training my dog extremely easy. Once realising working dogs have a form of ADHD you can unlock theyre individual secret.. given that fact we force our dogs downtime by chaining up for short periods during adolescence. A bit like a child that wont settle. However every dog is different. Its known Kelpies are one of the smartest and capable breeds. Theyre brains are constantly needing stimulation. In colder parts of Australia kelpies are now being used to detect Truffles. Who would of thought. But its not only smarts, tbeyre acrobatism is spectacular. Research has found Kelpies have a genetically developed enhanced middle ear creating extraordinary balance. Even at speed its rare to see a kelpie loose its footing. An auction held only last week a record was set for the sale of a well training working kelpie for $22200. As far as treats etc my girl wont accept a treat unless shes done something to earn it.. thats built within her.. even before her meals a task needs completing before she eats. They really are remarkable.. every few days she will surprise me with something new. Cheers Alyssa.
My Kelpie don t want food when you train him . He is the most loving dog i no . You have give him space so he can do his work . There is mutually respect We talk a lot to him so he know he is part of the team
Great breed. Roxy is amazing with my kids. I got her (at 2yrs old) from a family who sadly realized that their daughter was allergic to her. She’s 9 now and starting to slow down a bit but she lights up when all of the kids are home loving on her. Just to keep her young we picked up a Catahoula- border collie mix. They both play for hours and even wear the kids out. Lol.
That's awesome. I love Kelpies, they are such intelligent and athletic dogs. Thanks for commenting! - Alyssa Rose
I have a pure bred Kelpie named Roxy!! That's her on my logo💚
That Kelpie look huge!
He’s a kelpie mix, not purebred. Thanks for watching. - Alyssa Rose
We have no idea what are dog is until we seen a Kelpie recently and it looked so much like our dog. She NEVER gets tired like ever lol we have days when we run around the field for hours and she doesn’t wanna stop. The only thing I don’t see in these dogs that I see in her is her coat of fur is thicker and her tail curls. So maybe a mix
The dog in this video is a mix as well. They do have a lot of energy. Not sure if her energy is a problem or not, but in some cases long periods of high arousal activity can actually result in a dog that has even more energy. It's like conditioning an athlete who becomes stronger and has more endurance with practice. If the goal is to calm the dog I would be mixing up the activity. Working on training that promotes calm, controlled behavior for 30-60 seconds and then doing 1-2 minutes of play and then back to calm, controlled behavior. I will usually bounce back and forth between these types of exercises 3-4 times over the course of 5-10 minutes. Stop and start exercises are a great way to teach a dog to work through excitement. Best, Alyssa Rose legendsdogtraining.com
Well done. My experience with kelpies is that they train really well without food treats. Dunno what you think.
+gegemec So sorry I never responded to this, but I just replied to your most recent comment. Best, Alyssa
Beautiful dog, what is there in the mix?
You don't need to use food to train a kelpie dog, just give it a pat. Kelpies are a very loyal dog and so much so they want you to be happy. If you are happy, they are happy. And they need exercise, lots of it as they are bred for working. Some working kelpies run up to 50 km (30 miles) so take your kelpie for at least an hour walk everyday. If you do this at the same time then your dog will soon know that he/she will get its energy release everyday and will look forward to it. Another way to give your dog exercise is to find a quiet lane, let your dog loose and drive off slowly, they will enjoy just following your car.
+Tom Newham Hey! Thanks for watching and commenting. The type of reinforcement that you use in training really depends upon the behaviors being trained, and any type of competing motivation within the environment. When professional trainers are training for reliability (with any breed of dog) they use reinforcement that will strengthen learned behaviors in high level distraction environments. Thanks again for watching and commenting. - Alyssa Lapinel, CPDT-KA
How would you train a Kelpie cross Smithfield cross staffy cross boxer
Nice! We got a kelpie mix called Nanook she's a really nice dog, and I will take ur advice nice video btw
Does anyone know how to get kephies from aggressive towards sheep they pull hunks of wool out feel like giving them the road too house guards
Robert Nealon dog muzzle maybe
Robert Nealon my kelpies not aggressive on sheep but is on cattle
Nice to see a dog being trained gently. Dropping on hard surfaces is always more uncomfortable for a dog. So i practice that command on Grass. But really u need to get ur message across in the first video. All I got was distraction from noise whilst u were doing sit. drop and stay. And giving ur dog breakfast, lunch and dinner. But nice to watch different styles and techniques. I always take something away. 😊
Ginger Bear Bell hey thanks for watching. I agree, lying down on hardwood floors, concrete or tile isn’t comfortable. I also do this on grass, carpet or on a training mat - like shown in this video. Thanks for your comment. - Alyssa Rose
Kinda looks more like a german shepherd mix to me :D
Kelpies are often mistaken for German Shepherds and mislabeled as such in shelters.
I agree that dog is not an Australian Kelpie. I have never known anyone to mistake a Kelpie for a German Shepherd.
This dog seems too big and too calm to be a Kelpie. I have a rescue dog that I thought was a German Shepherd mix puppy but later identified as a 1.5 year old Kelpie. She is high strung and VERY concerned to predict my actions and vigilant about any wildlife in my yard. I don't mean this to argue against training suggestions. I just want to note that Kelpies are very demanding dogs, though thoroughly lovable. What saved me is having a much older and calmer dog as well. Kelpies are really affectionate and obedient dogs if you can manage to get their respect.
+Douglas Stevens
Hi Doug, Kelpies are VERY intelligent. Highly strung owner means highly strung dog. If she is a rescue dog you have to get that out of her. I found a puppy once that had been abandoned. Completely different temperament to dog that wasnt abandoned. I have a working kelpie he is about the same size as the dog in the picture. Working kelpies are bigger than show dogs. huge shoulders and barrel. Kelpies need lots of two things.......exercise and input . Best of luck though. I have had kelpies all my life. There is just no comparison. But you have to be the leader of the pack. If you can join a working dog club and get her on to some sheep it will do her good.
i know my dog acts totally different from when i first adopted her and it's only been 10mos. you can teach a dog to relax and that's partly what this video is about, and it's important for these guys because they ARE so high strung and we want them to be able to calm down when there's no job to be done
The getting respect part is the hard part I think. If kelpies don't think they need you, they won't do anything you want. They're that intelligent that they can live without their humans so we need to give them a positive reason to pay attention.
it sure is a massive kelpie that's for sure - must be whatever it was crossed with that made it so big.
gday, from a sheep farm in Australia. yes you are right that kelpies are herding dogs, that their instinct is to chase, round up and, importantly, bring the food to their master. do you reckon we train farm dogs with titbits in our pockets? no. we bond with a dog, get them to see us as their trusted mate and protector. the dog knows we will keep them out of harm, so they are allowed to express themselves fully, on a sheep run (or a too run for recreation), but that we have the rules and limits that mean the job gets done, and the dog will not come to harm. suburban dogs need to mimic this task oriented process. they need to see a reason why they need to behave in a certain way. they need also feel as if they have made the choice to behave in the way the owner wants. its all about a mutually respectful, loving and serving relationship. enough of this talk of rewards!
i think it's appropriate to switch up your technique for different situations, you don't train herding the same as agility or barn hunt or lure coursing so this is just another different type of situation with a different type of training *shrug*
usually a dog's herding instincts are mentioned to indicate how smart and energetic they are, not to say that a specific training method is geared towards teaching a dog to herd. this dog is just learning to manage his impulses and play the right way, basically learning how to be a house dog better instead of the wild sheep herder he is at heart lol.
We have had Australian Koolies for 20 years. They do need to see a reason why they need to behave a certain way, and they do respond to someone they trust. Our 2 know we have their backs when they work sheep and they have amazed us with their instincts to work stock.
Boom boom! Absolutely correct. Kelpies are different, the most intelligent dog, and the most athletic, they need a lot of mental stimulation, and a huge amount of exercise, most people mistake their intelligence for stubborness. As to training, no you don't need treats with Kelpies, they are extremely loyal and have a high drive to please you once bonded. so yes you are correct and this lady is wrong
Kelpie? Nothing like kelpies I know. Also, try and train without food, kelpie training is based around them bonding, and completing tasks, not being trained like robots.
+gegemec Hey! Thanks for watching my video. You bring up an interesting point. One that I think deserves greater attention: motivation in learning. In order to establish a strong foundation it's important to find common denominators. What does your dog live for? When we look at herding dogs, we think of herding. When we think of retrievers, we think of fetch. When we look at terriers, we think of the chase. When we look at hound dogs, we think of tracking. All of these activities will enhance the bond that a person has with their dog. But there is one greater common denominator, an instinctive desire to work for, or towards, the acquisition of food. In fact, the reason that tracking, herding, chasing, flushing, retrieving are so appealing to respective breeds are because they are fragments of the hunting sequence. These activities are associated with a dog's primitive instinct to hunt, and ... acquire food. Wild animals spend their every day working towards the acquisition of food (bees, birds, lions). It shapes behavior. The fact that people give dogs free food in a bowl is probably one of the single greatest contributors to behavioral issues. Going for hikes, swimming, playing frisbee or participating in sport work is awesome, and these activities will improve the bond, and mentally satiate a dog. No one can argue against that. But this doesn't necessarily convert to a dog that walks calmly on leash, or gets hyper-excited or territorial when guests arrive. Food is a powerful tool, and extremely useful when shaping behavior. We can use it to help dogs better adapt to their environment; particularly those dogs that do experience chronic stress, fear, anxiety or hyper-territorial behavior. Thanks again for watching, and for your comment. - Alyssa Lapinel, CPDT-KA
Food rewards didn't work with my kelpie. She often killed her own food (birds and rabbits) and she was her own boss. Naturally fantastic sheepdog. Could she have been trained with food? I don't know. I was in a very unsafe environment and had to run away. As far as I know she was given to a farmer.
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@Annie Samuel, thanks for watching my video and taking the time to comment. Dogs (all animals) have a basic instinct to think and problem solve in order to acquire food. Training with food or with toys plays off of this fact. Food is a powerful resource. When people say that a domesticated dog isn't working for food, it usually means that there is something about the dogs environment or routine that is de-valuing the food. There could also be an issue with they type of food being used or the manner in which it is being incorporated in the dog's training plan. Sometimes mother nature is better at mentally and physically training animals to work for food than we are, as you pointed out, your kelpie seemed to be a skilled hunter. Again, all dogs (with a pulse) are food motivated. It really is just a matter of how the resource is being utilized. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment. Best, Alyssa Rose (Lapinel), CPDT-KA
Alyssa Rose
I agree with you. I think in a different (safer and calmer) environment her training could have been very different.
Check out Jowdie the Australian Kelpie
Never needed food to train my Kelpie, just subtle commands and trust. Anyway check her out on RUclips...Jowdie the howling Kelpie
TheThetechnician Hey, thanks for watching and commenting. Food is a primary reinforcer. In the natural world the acquisition of food plays a central role in shaping behavior. For those animals that live within social constructs food plays an important role developing relationships and social skills. It also helps to regulate emotional responses. Our dogs are mostly deprived of the opportunity to work for their food. Some people ask for a few behaviors (sit, stay, down, shake) before putting a food bowl down, or they might use a “food toy” of some kind but this doesn’t compare to integrating food into a dog’s behavioral repertoire like I am doing with the dog in this video. The training in the video is about engaging the dog’s mind, their problem solving abilities and developing a stronger connection in the process. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to comment. Enjoyed your video of Jowlie. Best, Alyssa Rose, CPDT
Alyssa Rose you have a great dog which is a credit to the both of you, the world would be a better place with more people like yourself, all the best to you from South Australia
@@legendsdogtraining you are wrong when it comes to Kelpies, how many people here does it take for you to see that there may be another way with Kelpies, they are different to any other breed.
Mine wants to go after EVERY 4 legged creature. I've never seen such prey drive. He's friendly with dogs. He doesn't give a shit about birds.
+Diabolik771 It's really incredible to see dogs with such high drive. Lots of training potential with these working breeds. Thanks for watching and commenting, really appreciate it. :-) - Alyssa
They are herding dogs if there are no sheep they will chase anything mine loves chasing wallabies.
Can't hear anything
I used to have an Australian kelpie she died from diabetes
The SteelKnight so sorry to hear that.
I also had a cat named Simon and he got along with midnight (my Australian kelpie) And he died from over eating. ( we only have them the food we didn’t eat and that was a lot
The SteelKnight that’s horrible. I am sorry. 😐
Nope, not a Kelpie, may have some mix, but the predominant is shepherd. That explains that food training works, Kelpies are not food reward oriented
Hi Mark, Thanks for writing in. Food is called a primary reinforcer because all living organisms need food to survive. The acquisition of food (hunting, scavenging, foraging) shapes behavior, social relationships and problem solving skills. Sporting and working breeds have special skills that derive from the predatory sequence. Their special skills represent a fragment of that sequence: scenting (hounds), sighting (sight hounds), flushing (spaniels), chasing (herding dogs), grabbing, biting... Professional trainers can use food or toys that tap into these innate behaviors to help dogs (any breed) adapt to the environment in which they are expected to thrive. My training channel is made up of a variety of different breeds. It's always interesting to see how often these arguments come up "you can't train this breed of dog with food .. " despite all the evidence to the contrary. You might enjoy looking at training videos of whales, alligators, or tigers that are learning how to do voluntary blood draws, or other cooperative care behaviors. It's actually really impressive. Thanks again for watching and taking the time to write in. Best, Alyssa Rose www.legendsdogtraining.com
@@legendsdogtraining I never said food training doesn't work, its just that Kelpies are more oriented to please you, the pack leader than they are food oriented, So training a kelpie is more aboutb praise and feed back than reward. i had a Smithfield Kelpie, quite rare, my Jess was Super smart, extremely determined, but most of all she wanted to please me, wherever i would go she would, we had some amazing adventures. But she always knew i was leader and she 110% wanted to please me. Thats how to train a Kelpie in my experience
@@markhill9275 thanks for your reply. I think that as a general rule, the more our lifestyles support a healthy bond with our dogs the less necessary it becomes to do formal training. I had a malamute mix that traveled with me everywhere. He lived with me in Alaska and we spent time at the lake or on hiking trails almost everyday. When we moved back to new york city I would take him to Prospect Park or Central Park when I could, but positive reinforcement based training became another way to bond with him when those types of activities weren't possible. Not only did it create that bond, but it also gave him a positive outlet for his mental energy through games and problem solving. This was not as necessary in Alaska. Not sure if this applies with your Kelpie, but I do believe that a lifestyle that gives our dogs the opportunity to truly be a dog can create the same positive outcome. Thanks again for your thoughts. Best, Alyssa Rose www.legendsdogtraining.com
@@legendsdogtraining i didn't really need to try and bond with Jess, that was a normal thing for a Kelpie to do, they are driven to please, so bonding was natural for both of us. I made sure she knew I was pack leader, Kelpies need and want that show of leadership from you, and I included her on everything I did. Training was minimal, Jess was a Smithfield Kelpie, she intuitively learned what was expected. Some breeds, I'm guessing most breeds react better to reward based training, but Kelpies, at least my Jess, respond better to you showing them what their job is, and showing them they please you. At least that has been my experience. Have a great day
@@markhill9275 It sounds like you had a smart, intuitive dog. She sounds like she was well adapted to the life you provided her. But I can tell you that sweeping generalizations cannot be made about any breed, even Kelpies. Behavior depends on a lot of factors - genetics is one (even this extends beyond breed characteristics), early experiences in social development, the environment and routine that is provided for the dog as an adult. You are likely to see very different behavior tendencies for dogs living in rural environments than urban environments. A dog living in an apartment vs living on a farm. Beyond this I think it's important to note that being "alpha" or "pack leader" or "dominance theory" (three terms that are commonly used in combination when discussing a certain style of dog training) is discredited by behaviorists. I suspect I might not change your mind but for anybody else that is reading this and curious in learning more they can google "The American Veterinary Society of Animal Behaviors position statement on dominance theory." Thank you for this discussion, hope you have a great day. Best, Alyssa Rose www.legendsdogtraining.com
It seams to me that the US kelpies have been crossed with something like shepards or rottweller they are to big and head wrong shape both my kelpie crosses look more kelpie an this dog
You don't know wot wot your talking about. You don't need to reward dogs with food. He is sucking you for food your kelpie IS over weight. THAT'S ANIMAL ABUSE.
This is not my dog, it is a client’s dog, and the weight he is at in this video is the same as when we started training a week or two before. I’ve never had a dog gain weight based on training I’ve implemented or recommendations I’ve given to a client.
@@legendsdogtraining your client is not fit to own a kelpie over weight and can't train a kelpie is questionable. POOR Dog. I would say the owner has chosen a kelpie for the wrong reasons poor bastard. If the owner can't find time in training the dog how can owner find time in walking the dog . You need to watch the movie "Red Dog" it will bring tears to your eyes ! What a breed of dog!
Shut the fuck up peter it’s probably a mix u clown