Taking a $2 Million Stock Portfolio Line of Credit - Our “Buy, Borrow, Die Strategy” to Avoid Taxes
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Our Rich Journey - Taking a $2 Million Stock Portfolio Line of Credit - Our “Buy, Borrow, Die Strategy” to Avoid Taxes - Have you heard of the 'Buy, Borrow, Die' strategy? It's how tech billionaires never sell their stocks but still live off the value of their portfolios. The good news is, it's not just for billionaires-you can also do it too! In this video, I'll explain how they leverage a Securities-Backed Line of Credit (SBLOC) to access cash while keeping their investments intact. I'll guide you through understanding interest rates, tax reduction opportunities, and the risks involved in using your portfolio as collateral. We'll also discuss practical tips to help you avoid pitfalls. Whether you're looking to maximize your wealth or safely leverage your portfolio, this discussion will reveal the key considerations for using SBLOCs effectively. Stay tuned, and I'll show you how to borrow from your stock portfolio, optimize your tax strategy, and make smarter financial decisions!
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Great info, I have been wanting to figure this out.
As a millionaire, I took a loan out against my TSP retirement account to make a down payment on my rental house next door. I paid back the loan within 5 years while maintaining my same Biweekly contributions to keep me investing in my TSP. The property value has increased over 155% in 11 years. I've only had 2 sets of tenants with no missed payments.
One of my best decisions and yes I was afraid to take the risk!
Did you tell the Federal Prosecutors that are going after Baltimore DA, Marilyn Mosby for the exact same thing? I was presented with the same option as a Civil Servant and was like.. I'll take the zero 😆😆😆 Seriously though.. Glad it worked out.🤓👍
Happy Mother’s Day to Christina !
Thanks so much Hilda!❤️
Sophisticated Finance. People think they can wait until they have the money, THEN try to understand these concepts. It's FREE to learn.
Yes! The information is out there. Everyone can learn! 😀
what difference does it make?
Happy Mother’s Day Christina!!
This was a highly informative video. Thank you!
Aww, thank you so much!!!!❤️
Yes! You made the video on the topic! Thank you!
Very thoughtful and informative
That is super brilliant. I have to, have to, have to employ the stock line of Credit strategy. Thank you for sharing!
Great that you posted new content. More new topics please ❤
Credit Union’s do something similar- using a CD as collateral for a loan (usually at a more favorable interest rate)
Great video, thanks!
Just to mention it: Buy borrow die works best if your heirs don't have to pay inheritance tax, or if so, have to pay only a small fraction of the real value.
That's another benefit of countries like e.g. ... Portugal.
This was very insightful and educational. Thank you
Thanks for sharing
Amon, thank you SO much for this video. I have never truly understood how securities backed line of credit works and FINALLY I understand it. I have read about it before, but had not grasped the pros and cons of this strategy. My husband and I learn so much from you guys. Appreciate you both very much!
Happy Mother's day Christina! 💐🌹🌻
Thank you so much Angel!!!❤️❤️❤️
Thanks for this informative post. ☺
Interactive Brokers has the lowest SBLOC margin interest rates. Much lower than Fidelity.
That's great to know! Thanks for sharing!
yep i pay 6.3% on my Canadian margin funds
@@OurRichJourney Fidelity just started a new program with Leader Bank and US Bank with the rate at 8.5% against your assets. Leader Bank does a soft credit pull using Equifax and US Bank does a hard credit pull using Equifax. This rate now competes with Interactive broker.
Lowest marketed rates.
A simple phone call can get your broker to match a competitor.
I went to move my account to IB from schwab and they called me in a panic. when they asked me why I told them that IB has margin rates significantly lower than Schwab. Schwab immediately matched IB rate, this was in 2014, and ever since then I have paid well under schwab's marketed rates. I never had to bug Schwab about it again either. they just automatically renew my rate, even though I haven't been on margin since rates started to run up.
I wager that Fidelity, or others, will probably do the same as they are competing with each other.
Also, IB does not have SBLOC. They are margin only, thus none of the downsides of SBLOCs. Other brokerages have both. Schwab has margin as well as their version of SBLOC called PAL (pledged asset line).
IBKR and i believe m2 offers the lowest. In addition, if you have portfolio in swiss bank, you can borrow at 1.75-2.5%. Check interactive brokers page where all major currencies listed. japanease yen and swiss franc has lowest, due to their fed always keeping low rates. What was missed in video, you never borrow more than 30% of your portfolio, because if crap hits a fan, markets drop, you can get margin called if you borrowed 40, 50% or more.
WOW, that FIRST con is a deal breaker!!..THEY get control of your WHOLE😮😮 account, even if you DONT use the Line!!? NO WAY!!!!!!
Right?! In reading the 66 page contract (!!!!), we decided against it!!!
It is pledged, yes. But let's say it earns dividends, you can take those out. You can even sell your pledged assets if needed. Pay off the loan and close the line if that is your concern. Many use their dividends gained to pay off the monthly interest payment. Even better, invest the loan into an asset that generates rental income and use that to pay the interest. OPM if you're disciplined. Good luck.
Excellent, excellent information as always 😮
Excellent explanation as always. I've heard about these but didn't know how they worked.
Thank u so much for this channel happy mother's day christina ❤❤
This was a wonderful explanation. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful! Thank you so much!!!
Fantastic video and topic! Happy Mother's Day Christina!
Why not just borrow against it on margin? With M1 for instance you can borrow against your brokerage account instantly without having to do a separate application or anything. And you still keep control of your portfolio.
Almost all brokerage accounts allow margin borrowing. On the flipside, the brokerage can sell the securities anytime, sometimes without notice to cover the margin.
Great information thank you
Thank you!!!
Excellent video Brother
Wow... such great information, and I love the read out note that we must do our research, put in some time to investigate for ourselves & ask questions for our financial health... take action 🎬
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Could you please share which stock is your first favorite, vti, spy or qqq and which platform is your most favorite? Greatly appreciated 🙏 happy mother's day to Christina !!!
Thank you for constantly sharing insightful videos like this one. Like you said "We'll probably need this information at some point in our investment journey." I appreciate you for sharing this knowledge with us.
Happy Mother's Day Christina!!!
Thank you so much!!!!❤️
Great info 👌🏾! Question: How can I apply this technique to my crypto portfolio?
It depends on your tax bracket. I am in the 12% US federal tax bracket so my long term capital gains in a taxable brokerage account is taxed a 0% for federal taxes; state of Georgia taxed as ordinary income current flat rate is 5.39%.
Great content! Yes you can borrow against a 401k at least in my case
Great video team!
If not a rental property. Would there be another situation where you might consider an SBLOC?
Also, get access to funds like a sbloc when you DON'T need it. Sit on it, there are no fees, and leverage it when the opportunity is right.
How do you manage your US banking and investment accounts from abroad.
Investment banking can be quite lucrative if you know what you're doing, but it also comes with its fair share of risks.
Don’t you trigger capital gains when you replay the loan with your portfolio ? I imagine approximately 3-4 years of paying interest would negate any capital gains savings.
Good information thank you❤ Happy Mother’s Day to your wife Christina.
Thanks so much❤️❤️❤️
Wow! Thanks for sharing!
Have you considered doing a 1031 exchange?
Did you talk about margin calls?
I think borrowing is the best thing you could do to get ahead, it makes no sense for me to sell stock to buy a house. I rather borrow anytime and arbitrage the interest rate of the borrow with the property appreciation and if it's a rental that would contribute to it also. Saves money/time and me from earning and paying taxes twice lol.
I always weight my port with enough dividend stocks to cover the interest or I borrow in proportion to the amount of divs my portfolio yields.
Interactive brokers IKBR is usually the best for this type of stuff at 6.8% rates. But yeah I think 6.8% can be arb'ed rather than the 12% at the big firms.
Great video and information. Buy, borrow, die is great. However, many states and the federal government require estate taxes when the estate its passed on after one dies.
Well if you are dead…why would that matter?
I had initially planned to retire at 62, work part-time, and save money, but the impact of high prices on various goods and services has significantly disrupted my retirement plan. I'm worried about whether those who experienced the 2008 financial crisis had it easier than I currently am. The volatility of the stock market is a concern as my income has decreased, and I fear that I won't be able to contribute as much as before, potentially jeopardizing my retirement savings.
It took us 8 years to recover from the 2008 crash. We were finally able to move abroad. It was a beautiful, peaceful, adventurous refuge!!! We left California and moved to a very affordable country where we were able to save and invest well over half of our income. Had we stayed in America, we would have struggled. The hit was hard. Thank God for our rich journey. I knew a lot of the strategies they were talking about and once I became fully tuned in and implemented their recommendations, investing became less stressful. I found confidence in Etfs and index fund investing and reduced my portfolio from being 100% weighted in stocks to a more balanced percentage. I got rid of my rental properties because I didn't really enjoy owning them even with property management. Life is healthier, simpler, lighter and more abundant now. Stick to your plan. Work will always be there but life may not🙏🏾
You guys doing a video on tax harvesting?
What a wonderful and important piece of information!!! I just happen to have similar experience with Fidelity recently. Fortunately, our money was all in retirement types of accounts so that we were not qualified for it and now I feel even better that we didn’t qualify for it. I also have to agree with you about how their “meeting” is so beneficial for their benefit! It was definitely eye opening moment for me. The lesson I got it from the meeting was this “let me just study even harder to manage our own finance”. We are so thankful all the time with your RUclips!
The “meeting” is just too much, right?! 😂😂😂
@@OurRichJourney indeed!!!😜
Do you offer any consultations for families interested in moving to Portugal from the US? Specifically info on education and supportive services for autistic kids?
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Could that be an interesting “bridge to Medicare”? Borrow against your portfolio to live until 65 and get the ACA subsidies by showing minimal income?
Hi There. Happy Mother's Day.
Thanks so much Danelle!!!❤️
So if you have cash value of $2 million in the policy , which by the will take 40,50 years to accumulate that much money and you borrow 100,000 every year to live off you pay 5.5% to the insurance every year and your money is gonna run out in 20 months
It can be tricky though because you have to maintain a certain balance with your account in order to maintain the collateral that you pledge.
which one is better using margin vs barrow SBLOC?Please let me know.. Thank you so much
It’s a bit like comparing apples to oranges. A margin is used to buy other equities (which can be very risky). With an SBLOC, you actually can’t borrow to invest in equities.
If there is a bear market and the value of your portfolio / brokerage account goes down, does this impact the limit of the line of credit? I mean if the lender automatically adjusts the limit down in such an instance or no?
They will call on the SBLOC loan and if you don't pay by the time frame they will sell the securities to cover the loan.
Great info - you never know when you need to access your investments
I was the 1000th like :)
No tax loss harvesting opportunities to defray your taxes?
Just started to look into this and interesting way to leverage. Wish I would have done this with my last home purchase
Yes! We find it interesting, too! Now that you know about it, you can analyse whether it could work for your next investment!!!😀
This is similar to cash value life insurance but the loan interest rates are much lower.
Could you create a separate trading account and move just some of the assets or are they are asking for access to all trading accounts? It's still a nice option to have. It's cheaper than margin account.
Yes, you can have as many accounts as you'd like and only pledge the one that you need.
If the stock falls in value, will there be a lump sum cash payment due to keep from liquidating?
Most sblocs will let you borrow ~70% ltv (vs. 50% for margin). They will prioritize the ltv by asset, e.g. BRK would be 70%, TSLA @ 30%, money market at 90%. So yes, if your avg withdrawal is more than 70% on avg, and it drops by that much, there will be a capital call for the lump sum. Use it wisely and strategically.
Yes. Very prudent question.
I looked into it and my loan to collateral ratio had to be 50%. Translation I needed $2 in equity (stocks mutual funds) for every dollar. The ratio’s are more fav😢for a broad market index ETF, than a collection of small cap stocks
M1 Finance’s SBLOC is way easier to use and currently only 7.25% (as of 05/17/24).
what is your rates of return on stock portfolio for the past 5 years? have u beat the s and p500?
Because we have individual stocks and technology ETFs, our average has been higher than the S&P 500.
Is there a way to do this with vanguard?
I’d contact them
Things appear strange right now. The value of the US dollar is declining due to inflation, but it is increasing in comparison to other currencies and commodities such as gold and real estate. People are flocking to the dollar because they believe it is safer. I'm worried that rising inflation will cause my $420,000 in retirement funds to lose value. What else could we do with our money?
Collateral
Did Elon Musk use SBLOC against his Tesla shares to buy Twitter?
Is it possible to borrow against a 529 college plan?
No. Only taxable accounts.
Why borrow money ? Don’t understand sir
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Thank you Shirley!!!
I *cringed* both times borrowing money for vacations was mentioned. Not only is that a financially irresponsible move, it's unnecessary as long as one is willing to challenge their pre-conceived notions about how much travel costs; there are multiple ways to see world without having to spend much.
You don't think you have to pay back that loan with interest.I whether pay the taxes for taking out my cash! Interest rates are in the double digits.
How can you guys still have a 401k when living in Europa? Dont you have to pay taxes here?
Is margin loan the same as line of credit?
I don’t get how this works. You have $2m in assets and can get a 50% SBLOC. You now have a debit card attached to this $1m bank account that has an 8% interest rate. The goal is to not sell, but if you’re living off of your investments and you’re solely invested in the stock market… your cash comes from selling. Since you only have to pay the interest, I guess you can sell less and just continue to rack up debt over time… but how does this actually stop you from having to sell your investments to avoid taxes in the long run?
You’re going to have to continually take out debt raising your payment YoY as you live off of the SBLOC. Eventually you’ll hit the credit limit and will need to pay on the principal. Now you’re forced to pay taxes to sell more than usual to get access to your SBLOC principal while also paying your living expenses while also paying the interest. It’s short term gain for potentially long term problems if the market is in a down turn when you hit the limit.
Not at all. Make sure your taxable portfolio has dividend paying assets - even Money Market funds (SWVXX = 5.2%) and use that income to pay the monthly interest and to generate the income you need to live.
Won’t pay taxes but you’ll pay some high interest
Depends. You can likely find better interest rates by comparing brokerages. But, in addition to avoiding paying taxes on the capital gains, your money can stay in your portfolio and continue to grow. 😀
You pay interest and you are also at risk of margin call if the market drops as it often does during this time of volatility. I’d rather sleep soundly at night than eek out a bit of money through SBLOC
Can I borrow from IRA account?
Should have listened the entire content. No retirement account
Great information but now I feel even more confused. The more you know the more you know you don't know.
Sophisticated millionaire investors don't care about interest on the SBLOC loans because they deduct the interest payments through their business and also use the tax credit i.e solar roof, high efficiency home HVAC systems, business assets purchase using amortization and depreciation etc.
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Take control over my money? Oh heeeeeeeellll no!
Interest rate too high
Yes, it was too high for us😀
SBLOC is literally how I fund my life.
Can you elaborate?