Same character different animals. Apples and Onions. Perfect showcase of of subjectivity and objectivity. I like both figures and they have completely different strengths. That’s why I’m keeping the MT seekers in addition to the Takara units. No losers here in my opinion. If you have the MT and don’t plan on getting the Takara, you still win. Great showcase!
I just don't see why so many people think the head on the Takara is too big. I think it's perfect, and the MT being so small just makes it look bigger in comparison.
I actually agree, I've been watching the cartoon just to make sure and even though they sometimes represent Starscream with a smaller head (nothing close to the Maketoys size) they normally give him a head with the exact same proportions Takara gave MP-52.
Takara's is objectively superior to maketoys' on so many fronts, and I think it says a lot about Bobby's integrity that even though he prefers the losing figure he still gives credit where it's due
That'll be tested further once the FT Soundwave comes out Specially since it's been established that he's not a 'Too toon' type of guy and FT's SW is more 'Toon' than the Takara's
@@JohnSmith-fq8kz I was looking at that figure. I gotta say I'm not a toon style guy myself but damn I think it's gonna beat Takara which is sad cause I'm going to have to buy one.
TT has crap materials, poor QC, stability issues, loose joints, worse alt mode etc.... The only thing ít really has over the MT version are paints and toon accuracy.
Now I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do love watching these to see the comparison. I listened to this week's nerd rage and I find it hard for people to call you biased. Because Takara is the clear winner in this from the analytics, but you still have your preference as all people do. Thanks for another great video Bobby take care.
Good evening from me as well. Very good work in this comparison. I just wanted to mention that, if you see the g 1 cartoon, the bottom of the jet is exactly as presented by takara in this particular starscream. In general, however, I did not like it very much as a figure, since I consider it very expensive and with serious problems in the paint job. Also, something that concerns me as for the figure's head, is that the neck is not visible at all, leading to the fact that the overall picture is a bit strange. Probably my favorite is still the starscream of Yes Model. Deformation Space (DS-001) also looks very good. Keep up the good work!!!
I preordered the Maketoys. Then, a couple of friends sent me pics of their Takaras. I decided to cancel Meteor because I knew I’d have buyer’s remorse. I’m so glad I bought the Takara instead. The Maketoys does a couple of things better, but the Takara is unmistakably Starscream. And mine doesn’t have any major QC issues (just a small stress mark and tiny nick in the die-cast. Overpriced? Maybe. But no regrets.
I can understand why Takara won, but I thoroughly enjoy my MakeToys. Don’t have loose joints and I was able to buy both Thundercracker and Starscream from MakeToys for just under what Takara wants for a single figure. That said, the engineering on Takara seems superior and I respect the winner here
It really shouldn't have been that close considering how old Meteor is. MP-52 should've had a slightly smaller head, a lighter shade of grey on the body and much better QC. This creates an opening for Deformation Space.
I wish you had a better version of the masterpiece Starscream, and I wish to make toy Starscream didn’t get so floppy after a few transformations. Great comparisons. Thank you
I have takara version, I am very happy with mine..I disagree with skull face on the cleanness of the legs...takara nailed it! We have Soo many versions of screamer with jet kibble on the legs; takara fixed that with a genius engineering design.
I received the gifted MP-52 earlier this week. As I figured would be the case, your original review of it was off. The only problem I have with MP-52 is the price. I have zero QC issues. It is an awesome representation of the G-1 Starscream. Waaaay too much made out of his head size when the Maketoys head size is the real problem. Maketoys mold was the best for a few years. It is still really good based off of your 7-5 score and I agree with the majority of your points. It holds up. But I would suggest for yourself since you own both SC molds for the moment... stand both the Maketoys and MP-52 next to TT Megatron. Pose them out fairly. Don't half @ss the MP-52 poses and toss him around because of your TT vendetta. Take photos. Compare. There is no competition there. Maketoys fades to the back to MP-52.
What’s so bitter sweet to me about both of these guys is that it almost feels like they’re both doing too much, while having many shortcomings. there is so much engineering in both of them but neither feel as solid as something like the NewAge seekers. Idk judging by the images of the new 3P deformation space Starscream, which seems to be using a lot of newages engineering, I think the best mp Starscream may still be to come. Either of these are fine, but for me these both seem like lateral promotions, rather than an upgrade from one another.
I’m waiting to see how defermation toys turns out. I hope they come out before rest of Takaras seekers do, at least DF St sc to see price and scale. If good and cheaper, gonna roll with getting Thunder cracker and skywarp from them.
No dog in this fight. Like at all. Don't even collect MPs just here to support Skullface and I think the Takara is better some folks just be on that copium since they either got the MT, or against Takara and people be using the 'Too toon' stuff AGAINST the Tak while turning a blind eye to some 3rd party stuff that have become 'Too toon' AHEM FT Soundwave AHEM FT Perceptor AHEM Not just talking about this specific video ofc, but generally 🤷♂️
I don't have a dog in the fight either, but while the Takara is more accurate in robot I think the MT has the better alt mode. With aircraft altmodes enjoy stylized robot modes more especially when the altmode looks like the actual aircraft. The aircraft altmode has to be as accurate as possible for me. The original masterpiece Starscream altmode looks the best from the underside but I think that the second one is the best overall.
My copy is like EmGo's. Bobby got a bad copy. IMO Bobby frequently gets a bad copy regardless of company. It's just chance but 9 times out of 10 when BSF gets a bad copy I (and EmGo) luck out with a good copy. Most of the time if I didn't watch BSF I'd never know about supposedly wide spread QC. As someone who has done a lot of customer service and someone who has studied human behavior people who have a negative experience tend to shout it from the mountain tops and people that have a positive experience stay quiet because they assume that everyone else has had a positive experience. And people who are vocal both ways tend to be louder about the bad. Yes there are exceptions, I'm talking about the masses.
Got the Maketoys on pre-order and am on the fence about switching to Takara. This review is so perfectly timed. I mean it didn't help, at all. But I enjoyed it as always, so thank you.
The gaps in the forearms and the delicate, folding tail fins always bothered when I owned MT Meteor. Not to mention the empty undersides of the wings. It’s why I was immediately drawn to the new MP Starscream from Takara-Tomy. The prototype looked better than the final product, at least to me. As long as a collector doesn’t mind spending the money, then I guess they’re getting the better toy from MP Starscream 3.0. Having bought every version of the previous mold, minus whatever clear variants there were, I don’t have any love lost for that one. By the we go5 Coneheads I was done with that mold and it felt junky to me.
Great comparison Bobby, thanks for doing it. I got both cause I wasn’t sure and wanted to get the cheaper price. I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone do a comparison with the new prime starscream head on the maketoys since do many people seem to be doing that - I think it helps the maketoys a lot. Also I wonder if it’s the gold and brighter colors that make your girls like the look of the maketoys, I think that was a big wow factor when we all 1st saw it.
Very interesting analysis and makes me wonder if someone should compare stability or feel to compare those subjective things. I'm not saying you should bobby, I very much appreciate your lean towards objectivity and closeness to g1 evaluation. Thanks for the cool and informative video!
I have both figures. I like the look of the Takara one in robot mode, especially the head, but I like the Maketoys version better. I also have Maketoys Skywarp and Thundercracker. Not buying the Takara. Erosions. I regret buying the Takara one even if it was for shits and giggles. Fair assessment, Bobby. Thank you for reviewing.
for the scale, maketoys actually won, people mistakenly don't use the middle of the models in the sunbow charts they measure where the head meets soundwaves left shoulder which DUE to the angle is higher up, starscreams head should actually reach the top of his chest
I’m picking up the 3.0 next week. I got the Maketoys G2 version of Screamer at TFCon 2019, and he kinda fell apart in my hands and had broken pieces out of the box. :/ I’m sure it was just my copy, but it soured my taste to the brand. I wound up returning it to TheChosenPrime, and got the Ismenios from them instead. They are a FANTASTIC company.
MP-52 Masterpiece G1 Starscream looks spot-on cartoon model-accurate in the front, but the back...not so much. I can say the same things about MP-52+ Thundercracker and MP-52+ Skywarp.
Nice comparison as usual, but I do not understand why you keep calling it "version 3.0" when the box has a "2.0" clearly printed on it, so that's what takara wants to call it (they obviously consider the mp-11 as a 1.5 version, which it in fact was as it was not a complete new figure). I am saying cause it might cause confusion, especially for people new to this world.
100% fair considering that you got a bad copy of Takara's version and you don't like the "overly clean" super toon look. I love that Takara won despite you liking Maketoys better. This proves that you are working hard to be impartial. Well done. Now some personal notes. Food for thought. 1. Takara can also do the strangling Starscream without swapping out a part. Takara does it with articulation. There are pics online demonstrating this. 2. Some copies don't have the loose joints that yours does. 3. I totally understand that for presence your family is unanimous with Maketoys being better and therefore it wins that category for you, however other people's families disagree. My point is that presence is too subjective. 4. I personally disagree on some of your points, but that's awesome because your opinion is equal to mine. At the end of the day I say thanks for your time and passion!
Great breakdown of everything, seemed pretty objective. When it comes to the original 1984 bots in the MP line, I think Takara has made the best version of all the ones they have released so far compared to the 3p options. I was so ready to get Meteor until I saw MP-52 and never looked back. Meteor is an excellent looking figure, but I can't get past that head and opaque canopy. Those two things really take away from the premium look to me.
I have both and plan on displaying Maketoys in alt mode, it's that good. I think the issue with Takara is they are going for toon accuracy in robot mode, but in alt they have some weird requirement that the design be licensed from a real-world vehicle, in this case an F-15.
I got lucky maybe and my Takara is not plagued by any issues accept a paint rub where transformation occurs. Having had both, I much prefer just about everything on Takara…though neither are perfect. I actually liked the Takara transformation and mine is steady as can be. However, I bet I’ll prefer the Transform Element version coming out better than both of these.
Interesting and a very well-balanced video. I don't want to be pedantic but the Maketoys does have a double jointed knee. Had it taken articulation, that would have been 6-6! I don't recall how much MT lost by but tie-ing this joint up on top of the importance of a waist swivel would, in my opinion be a fair victory in articulation. I do think the Takara is better but my Maketoys are very good and I'll be sticking with them. I'm in for the full set so already have wing fillers on my Starscream. The coneheads also have replaced the C-clip with a better solution. I think Maketoys could persuade me to pick up an upgrade kit. Replacement C-clip joints, maybe a coronation set. If they could retrofit angle-able should vanes, that'd put them over-the-top!
For me, there's simply too much wrong with the Takara to warrant the price point. Maketoys for me. Great comparison, I appreciate the time you put into this video, Bobby!
Any more I’m a “one and done” collector, I’m thinning my collections and keeping what I really like and want. The MAKETOYS seekers do the job for me just fine. And to drop close to $900 on another set just doesn’t make any real sense. That’s a ton of cash to drop on some slight differences that, to me, can’t justify the purchase. I’m happy, they’re fine, and I’ll move on to the next thing.
This is one of those that is to close to call and very subjective. Personally I can't even consider a cockpit coming apart for a waist turn... or bending of the verticals to tuck into the legs. But definite downfalls for Takara... especially in the legs and posing... it can be balanced easy enough but not as solid as I would like. and as much as I love the jet mode of the Takara ... the clean underside of the MakeToys is so.... sleek. Takara did make a huge improvement, but still not perfect. :/ Great review on hitting all the differences!!
I feel that the takara Starscream need to be a slightly lighter shade of gray. Not quite as light as Maketoys but just enough to where he doesnt look as dull.
Thanks for putting together the comparison! Interesting stuff, I don't give Takara the point for hardware personally because even though they have more ratchets, their ratchets aren't toleranced properly to the point where it's not an enjoyable experience to manipulate the figure. Personally I think the Takara looks the part more so, but I'm deciding not to go in on it because of the issues it has.
Great video as usual. I knew Takara would was going to win this and it is the better figure but it's just something about the MT Seekers that I like and Bobby I was thinking the same thing about the MT jet mode looking like it just stepped out of the movie. I may get Takara's Starscream but I'm not swapping out my seekers.
Have you thought about weighting? Nothing complicated, but on a per-case basis. In my opinion the maketoys waist should add more than just one check mark in their category. A figure with no waist swivel simply should not win overall articulation unless the waist is literally the only joint on the other figure. No waist swivel is utterly inexcusable
I think the Takara Tomy Starscream looks so much better that it doesn't even seem like the Maketoys one is competing on the same level. If you don't like the look on the Takara one, you don't like the look on the original cartoon Starscream... which is completely fair even though not a reason to say that the Maketoys is objectively better unless they were trying to make a figure that was inspired by the original cartoon design, not trying to look exactly like it and if that is in fact true they shouldn't be compared to one another because Takara Tomy set out to be as close as possible to the original cartoon Starscream which they did spectacularly well. The only two things that the Takara Tomy MP-52 Starscream has against it are the price point and the fact that for that price point the tolerances should be perfect to a fault. I can't understand why ppl hate the Takara Tomy MPs so much, unless they're mad because they're too expensive and even though I can agree with that I don't think they are worst with each release be it in terms of quality or look. In fact I think they never looked better then they do now and until today I was never disappointed with the quality on an original Takara MP, quite the opposite, normally they feel like they are a bit above almost all the other companies in terms of both look and quality. In my opinion and experience not even Fans Toys or MMC, my two favorite 3rd party companies, are better then Takara Tomy, they some times get very close but never better. Thanks for the comparison Mr. Skullface.
I think the negativity towards official MPs just comes from the bad ratio of price to the level of "fit and finish". When I pay 300 bucks for a Fanstoys figure, the paint will almost certainly be pristine, the joints are almost always tight and the pieces will snap together perfectly, and hardware faiure is rare, and usually isolated to single part that is easy to get a replacement for. With Takara, I usually see tons of blemishes and imperfections in the paint apps and molding, the joints tend to be way more dubious, the figure is way more likely to break or have compromised plastic, and if it breaks it's difficult or impossible to get a replacement. Like, I've got both MP-36 and Roadking in front of me right now, I can't see I single flaw on Roadking, I imagine someone at the factory pored over him with OCD level of scruitiny. MP-36 has paint imperfections and gaps where panels don't fit together great, I imagine he was pumped through the factory much more quickly and without as close of an inspection, which is to be expected because Takara is a bigger company producing figures on a larger scale whereas Fanstoys makes figures more as a passion project on the side that blew up and became super popular And this goes for all my figures. Looking over at my MP Ironhide I see a little paint spotch on his head crest, some scuffs in the pastic on his legs, etc. Looking at my MP Rodimus I see this scuff right on his shoulder and his face won't sit flush in his helmet. Looking at MP Prowl his paint apps are just pitiful, and that's after I did my own touch ups to the worst parts. Looking at MP Shockwave he's got this weird little dent right in his chest piece. Meanwhile looking over at my Fanstoys figures I can't see a single flaw, except occasionally a paint chip caused during transformation (which also occurs on Takara figures). Obviously everyone has their own threshold for what bothers them when looking at a figure, and a lot of collectors wouldn't even notice the flaws that irk me, but the point is there's a reason Fanstoys is pulling so many people in lately while Takara is pushing so many people away.
@@BingBong67489 I've had absoloutly the opposite experience. My Fans Toys figures have more QC issues than any other company: paint chips, loose joints, and a LOT of breaks. I have absolutely never had a single paint chip, break, or other QC issues with Takara. I only get Fans Toys because Takara hasn't made those characters yet.
I love my Fans Toys TF action figures but I don't think they are better then the Takara Tomy ones. Up until the release of MP-32 I completely ignored the MP line (with the exception of MP-1) but all the releases following MP-32 have been the best representations of those characters and excellent TF action figures. I own them all and I will hardly ever substitute them unless there's a real breakthrough in technology that allows the paint, engineering, hardware and materials to achieve the next level. The way ppl describe what they feel when dealing with an original Takara Tomy MP gives me the impression that they must have dealt with a KO instead because I get that same feeling when I'm messing with a KO myself. The funny thing is that ppl who deal with KOs normally say they are as good as the originals and I think they are either saying what justifies their purchase better or they have no notion whatsoever about what they are talking about. I never dealt with a KO that felt close to an original much less improved on it and I never dealt with an original Takara Tomy (I''m talking about MP-32 forward) that felt like a KO. Human beings lie, they lie a lot and they do it to not only to achieve a certain goal but mainly to hide the truth from themselves. I believe that most ppl (notice I said most and not all) that trash on an original Takara Tomy are trying to justify why they aren't going to get one.
@@BingBong67489 You really think I was talking about Booby's Skullface comparison?!!! That's what you got from my comments?!!! Jeeeeeeeeeeesus man learn how to interpret text.
Absolutely. If they can knock at least 70 dollars off the Takara price with the same toon aesthetic, a clean transformation, and decent build quality, they are going to be the ultimate winners here (or should I say, we are going to be the winners). I have very high hopes for that figure, in fact, I've got all my chips on him! I personally feel like 3rd party is always going to make the best figures because there are so many different companies competing to design the same characters. Really looking forward to that release!
@@JohnSmith-fq8kz to be fair, it’s an older mold and cheaper as well…so I think MT did well for 5 - 7…with the prices TakTom are charging, the figure should reflect the value of the prices that the are charging… As for MT fans, pls have a look at the comments…so far so good
Not sure if this was mentioned… I got the re-run of Maketoys from this year…. He now comes with the wing fillers, so it’s finished and he comes with 3 MORE faces of a lighter grey so now you can actually see his face. So they listened
As somone who doesn't care as I don't collect transforming dolls (kidding), I think the Takara looks best. I also don't think if I collected these I would be transforming them, they would just be standing like statues sooo looks is all that would matter. Thanks for the always entertaining content! ~ P_Bear
Glad I held out for Takara - And don't even get me started on the lego-like make toys Coneheads.... never been more disappointed than those Diaper hips, until I saw >>> Those Botox knees tho
I'm not overly happy with the Takata version. The head is way too big. Also, the Takara version is just too expensive for me. It's almost double the price.
My main issue with the MT is the tiny heads, so much of a character comes from the face that it borderlines ruins the bot for me. Will be interesting to see how the new DS one shapes up, that I'm kinda tempted by.
Seeing them together side by side I knew the takara was winning but that I was winning cause I like the make toys better. I feel like there were a couple times where you wanted to slam takara but backed away from that can of worms. I don't think it would've changed the out come. For me the make toys cockpit looks really good, has the waist swivel and isn't over engineered too be covered in seam lines. The seams on modern takara are my biggest problem, they look like they're made with Legos. The null rays, his most defining feature look bad because it transforms. For my eye I wish the maketoys head was lighter color, didn't have the forearm gap and had better hands. But I'm happy, just wish I could get the rest of the seekers from maketoys.
Don't you basically wear the same outfit almost every review? I assumed that's why your arms are always itchy ... or is it just the tendencies towards commentary bozolitry that keep getting under your skin?
Great video I thought this was version 2.0 for Taraka tomy starscream not 3.0 I could be wrong I did see reports that on the feet the pins on the feet have stress marks causing the figures feet to be lose and it could eventually break
Depending how you count, theres 3 versions of Starscream realeased. 1 way of counting it is that MP-11 is just a retool of MP-03. In my humblest of opinions thats what Igear did with their Seekers, and i dont think they look even the slightest similar to what Takara counts to what they did with MP-11. So to to me theres 3 versions of Starscream, V1 V2 and the latest V3, a simple counting for a simple mind. But according to Takara theres V1, V1.5 and now V2. So knowing when its gonna count as a Version X.5 and when its its own digit, thats the real question. Only Takara knows for sure, im just a shmuck with some cash to spend
@@zilvertron it depends on nothing, the "2.0" is clearly printed in the box, so that's the name Takara gave him and that's the name we should call it too, to avoid confusion. Yes technically it's the 3rd version but the second was not a complete new model, it was just an update of the first one with some changes, so it was a sort of 1.5 version
Same character different animals. Apples and Onions. Perfect showcase of of subjectivity and objectivity. I like both figures and they have completely different strengths. That’s why I’m keeping the MT seekers in addition to the Takara units. No losers here in my opinion. If you have the MT and don’t plan on getting the Takara, you still win. Great showcase!
I just don't see why so many people think the head on the Takara is too big. I think it's perfect, and the MT being so small just makes it look bigger in comparison.
I actually agree, I've been watching the cartoon just to make sure and even though they sometimes represent Starscream with a smaller head (nothing close to the Maketoys size) they normally give him a head with the exact same proportions Takara gave MP-52.
Me too. Starscream always had a big head for his big ego
Exactly
Takara's is objectively superior to maketoys' on so many fronts, and I think it says a lot about Bobby's integrity that even though he prefers the losing figure he still gives credit where it's due
That is why Bobby is hands down the best!
That'll be tested further once the FT Soundwave comes out
Specially since it's been established that he's not a 'Too toon' type of guy and FT's SW is more 'Toon' than the Takara's
@@JohnSmith-fq8kz I was looking at that figure. I gotta say I'm not a toon style guy myself but damn I think it's gonna beat Takara which is sad cause I'm going to have to buy one.
TT has crap materials, poor QC, stability issues, loose joints, worse alt mode etc.... The only thing ít really has over the MT version are paints and toon accuracy.
@@leoluong6981 sorry Leo the official mp starscream is better
....apparently Bobby thinks we pay attention to his clothes lol
08:45 - Not the thumb, that's fixed at the second joint.
Now I don't have a dog in this fight, but I do love watching these to see the comparison. I listened to this week's nerd rage and I find it hard for people to call you biased. Because Takara is the clear winner in this from the analytics, but you still have your preference as all people do. Thanks for another great video Bobby take care.
Good evening from me as well. Very good work in this comparison. I just wanted to mention that, if you see the g 1 cartoon, the bottom of the jet is exactly as presented by takara in this particular starscream. In general, however, I did not like it very much as a figure, since I consider it very expensive and with serious problems in the paint job. Also, something that concerns me as for the figure's head, is that the neck is not visible at all, leading to the fact that the overall picture is a bit strange. Probably my favorite is still the starscream of Yes Model. Deformation Space (DS-001) also looks very good. Keep up the good work!!!
Happy with the Maketoys mold. Too many seekers… glad they’re checked off the list so I can move on.
My thoughts exactly!
I just want my Maketoys Ramjet & Thrust 😩
@@martynbrooker7116 me too!😭😭😭
@@drdiekast549 And their Highbrow & Brainstorm! 😆🤷♂️🤦♂️
I preordered the Maketoys. Then, a couple of friends sent me pics of their Takaras. I decided to cancel Meteor because I knew I’d have buyer’s remorse. I’m so glad I bought the Takara instead. The Maketoys does a couple of things better, but the Takara is unmistakably Starscream. And mine doesn’t have any major QC issues (just a small stress mark and tiny nick in the die-cast.
Overpriced? Maybe. But no regrets.
I can understand why Takara won, but I thoroughly enjoy my MakeToys. Don’t have loose joints and I was able to buy both Thundercracker and Starscream from MakeToys for just under what Takara wants for a single figure. That said, the engineering on Takara seems superior and I respect the winner here
I quit buying the same carachters unless the one i have is really really bad
MT 2.0 improves a few of your complaints. Wing fillers and better face, more toon accurate paint.
It really shouldn't have been that close considering how old Meteor is. MP-52 should've had a slightly smaller head, a lighter shade of grey on the body and much better QC. This creates an opening for Deformation Space.
I wish you had a better version of the masterpiece Starscream, and I wish to make toy Starscream didn’t get so floppy after a few transformations. Great comparisons. Thank you
I have takara version, I am very happy with mine..I disagree with skull face on the cleanness of the legs...takara nailed it! We have Soo many versions of screamer with jet kibble on the legs; takara fixed that with a genius engineering design.
I use the V1.5 Takara MP heads on my MakeToys. Looks perfect. I keep the Takara MPs in alt mode.
I trust Bobby’s comparison vids more than anyone’s. Helped me base most decisions in the past when buying, selling, keeping…etc. Thanks again.
I received the gifted MP-52 earlier this week. As I figured would be the case, your original review of it was off. The only problem I have with MP-52 is the price. I have zero QC issues. It is an awesome representation of the G-1 Starscream. Waaaay too much made out of his head size when the Maketoys head size is the real problem. Maketoys mold was the best for a few years. It is still really good based off of your 7-5 score and I agree with the majority of your points. It holds up. But I would suggest for yourself since you own both SC molds for the moment... stand both the Maketoys and MP-52 next to TT Megatron. Pose them out fairly. Don't half @ss the MP-52 poses and toss him around because of your TT vendetta. Take photos. Compare. There is no competition there. Maketoys fades to the back to MP-52.
What’s so bitter sweet to me about both of these guys is that it almost feels like they’re both doing too much, while having many shortcomings. there is so much engineering in both of them but neither feel as solid as something like the NewAge seekers. Idk judging by the images of the new 3P deformation space Starscream, which seems to be using a lot of newages engineering, I think the best mp Starscream may still be to come. Either of these are fine, but for me these both seem like lateral promotions, rather than an upgrade from one another.
Very nice comparison dude 🤘
“It doesn’t really matter what the baby says” LOL
Great episode, was completely shocked at the results.
Thanks!
I might get Thundercracker for the sake of having one sample of this mold but no way I am swaping out the whole line.
I’m waiting to see how defermation toys turns out. I hope they come out before rest of Takaras seekers do, at least DF St sc to see price and scale. If good and cheaper, gonna roll with getting Thunder cracker and skywarp from them.
Hmm.. I think you need to add a category around stability. Takara is very poseble but in capable of holding a pose.
No dog in this fight. Like at all. Don't even collect MPs just here to support Skullface and I think the Takara is better some folks just be on that copium since they either got the MT, or against Takara and people be using the 'Too toon' stuff AGAINST the Tak while turning a blind eye to some 3rd party stuff that have become 'Too toon' AHEM FT Soundwave AHEM FT Perceptor AHEM
Not just talking about this specific video ofc, but generally 🤷♂️
I don't have a dog in the fight either, but while the Takara is more accurate in robot I think the MT has the better alt mode. With aircraft altmodes enjoy stylized robot modes more especially when the altmode looks like the actual aircraft. The aircraft altmode has to be as accurate as possible for me. The original masterpiece Starscream altmode looks the best from the underside but I think that the second one is the best overall.
Nice one. I wouldn't feel bad about picking up the Maketoys at all given the price.
I'm always willing to upgrade if it's warranted, but TT just didn't pull it off.
Keep in mind the re run in REMASTER EX line of Meteor comes with 6 x Alternate Face Plates and 2 x Null Ray Blast Effect :)
This ain't the remaster ex MT so....
And if you wanna play that game then wait for the inevitable Tak coronation set 🤷♂️
@@JohnSmith-fq8kz what game ? I designed the faces for Maketoys... This is just to share infos, not to compare balls sizes :)
Emgo's flight stand is tighter when the plane is plugged in. Those two pointy lower back pieces don't flop down. They stay folded up on Emgo's copy.
My copy is like EmGo's. Bobby got a bad copy. IMO Bobby frequently gets a bad copy regardless of company.
It's just chance but 9 times out of 10 when BSF gets a bad copy I (and EmGo) luck out with a good copy. Most of the time if I didn't watch BSF I'd never know about supposedly wide spread QC. As someone who has done a lot of customer service and someone who has studied human behavior people who have a negative experience tend to shout it from the mountain tops and people that have a positive experience stay quiet because they assume that everyone else has had a positive experience. And people who are vocal both ways tend to be louder about the bad. Yes there are exceptions, I'm talking about the masses.
@@iamtheomnimonkey boy talk about skull Bobby's luck.
Got the Maketoys on pre-order and am on the fence about switching to Takara. This review is so perfectly timed. I mean it didn't help, at all. But I enjoyed it as always, so thank you.
The takara blows it away imo. Just has poor qc
Takara looks great but with the qc not enough for me to change from the mt version.
The gaps in the forearms and the delicate, folding tail fins always bothered when I owned MT Meteor. Not to mention the empty undersides of the wings. It’s why I was immediately drawn to the new MP Starscream from Takara-Tomy. The prototype looked better than the final product, at least to me. As long as a collector doesn’t mind spending the money, then I guess they’re getting the better toy from MP Starscream 3.0. Having bought every version of the previous mold, minus whatever clear variants there were, I don’t have any love lost for that one. By the we go5 Coneheads I was done with that mold and it felt junky to me.
There is a wing filler for Maketoys Meteor, so is Lightning and Skycrow (its sold out however).
tfsource.com/make-toys/mtrm11-meteor-wing-fillers/
i dont own either figure (and probably never will) but the takara looks so much better to me. no idea about build but proportions it kills it for me
Great comparison Bobby, thanks for doing it. I got both cause I wasn’t sure and wanted to get the cheaper price. I’m surprised I haven’t seen anyone do a comparison with the new prime starscream head on the maketoys since do many people seem to be doing that - I think it helps the maketoys a lot. Also I wonder if it’s the gold and brighter colors that make your girls like the look of the maketoys, I think that was a big wow factor when we all 1st saw it.
“It’s not for me, but if it’s for you, you win.” Love that statement 😍. So true.
Very interesting analysis and makes me wonder if someone should compare stability or feel to compare those subjective things.
I'm not saying you should bobby, I very much appreciate your lean towards objectivity and closeness to g1 evaluation.
Thanks for the cool and informative video!
I have both figures. I like the look of the Takara one in robot mode, especially the head, but I like the Maketoys version better. I also have Maketoys Skywarp and Thundercracker. Not buying the Takara. Erosions. I regret buying the Takara one even if it was for shits and giggles.
Fair assessment, Bobby. Thank you for reviewing.
I am curious as to your thoughts on the Deformation Space (TE, from your tweet) from the shots that are out?
for the scale, maketoys actually won, people mistakenly don't use the middle of the models in the sunbow charts they measure where the head meets soundwaves left shoulder which DUE to the angle is higher up, starscreams head should actually reach the top of his chest
Jeez the maketoys looks so much better side by side. But I do agree with the head sizes and looks. But the darker head is cooler IMO
I pref the Takara here.
Still sticking with MP11.
I’m picking up the 3.0 next week. I got the Maketoys G2 version of Screamer at TFCon 2019, and he kinda fell apart in my hands and had broken pieces out of the box. :/ I’m sure it was just my copy, but it soured my taste to the brand.
I wound up returning it to TheChosenPrime, and got the Ismenios from them instead. They are a FANTASTIC company.
MP-52 Masterpiece G1 Starscream looks spot-on cartoon model-accurate in the front, but the back...not so much. I can say the same things about MP-52+ Thundercracker and MP-52+ Skywarp.
The head looks finely proportioned on MP52 though, not sure why the complaints
Nice comparison as usual, but I do not understand why you keep calling it "version 3.0" when the box has a "2.0" clearly printed on it, so that's what takara wants to call it (they obviously consider the mp-11 as a 1.5 version, which it in fact was as it was not a complete new figure). I am saying cause it might cause confusion, especially for people new to this world.
100% fair considering that you got a bad copy of Takara's version and you don't like the "overly clean" super toon look. I love that Takara won despite you liking Maketoys better. This proves that you are working hard to be impartial. Well done.
Now some personal notes. Food for thought.
1. Takara can also do the strangling Starscream without swapping out a part. Takara does it with articulation. There are pics online demonstrating this.
2. Some copies don't have the loose joints that yours does.
3. I totally understand that for presence your family is unanimous with Maketoys being better and therefore it wins that category for you, however other people's families disagree. My point is that presence is too subjective.
4. I personally disagree on some of your points, but that's awesome because your opinion is equal to mine.
At the end of the day I say thanks for your time and passion!
Great breakdown of everything, seemed pretty objective. When it comes to the original 1984 bots in the MP line, I think Takara has made the best version of all the ones they have released so far compared to the 3p options. I was so ready to get Meteor until I saw MP-52 and never looked back. Meteor is an excellent looking figure, but I can't get past that head and opaque canopy. Those two things really take away from the premium look to me.
Missed out the reverse ab crunch on the takara.
Make toys has it too so it wouldn’t have made a bit of difference.
I have both and plan on displaying Maketoys in alt mode, it's that good. I think the issue with Takara is they are going for toon accuracy in robot mode, but in alt they have some weird requirement that the design be licensed from a real-world vehicle, in this case an F-15.
if a figure looks good, but feels like a noodle, i aint touching it! Maketoys for the win.
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@@JohnSmith-fq8kz Fail.
The Producer's producer strikes again!
I got lucky maybe and my Takara is not plagued by any issues accept a paint rub where transformation occurs. Having had both, I much prefer just about everything on Takara…though neither are perfect. I actually liked the Takara transformation and mine is steady as can be. However, I bet I’ll prefer the Transform Element version coming out better than both of these.
Interesting and a very well-balanced video.
I don't want to be pedantic but the Maketoys does have a double jointed knee. Had it taken articulation, that would have been 6-6! I don't recall how much MT lost by but tie-ing this joint up on top of the importance of a waist swivel would, in my opinion be a fair victory in articulation.
I do think the Takara is better but my Maketoys are very good and I'll be sticking with them. I'm in for the full set so already have wing fillers on my Starscream. The coneheads also have replaced the C-clip with a better solution. I think Maketoys could persuade me to pick up an upgrade kit. Replacement C-clip joints, maybe a coronation set. If they could retrofit angle-able should vanes, that'd put them over-the-top!
To be honest if Maketoys had similar head sculpt to the Takara and better hands. This would be a tie! ♥️
The official one is nice, but not enough to replace it with my MT Starscream.
For me, there's simply too much wrong with the Takara to warrant the price point. Maketoys for me. Great comparison, I appreciate the time you put into this video, Bobby!
Any more I’m a “one and done” collector, I’m thinning my collections and keeping what I really like and want. The MAKETOYS seekers do the job for me just fine. And to drop close to $900 on another set just doesn’t make any real sense. That’s a ton of cash to drop on some slight differences that, to me, can’t justify the purchase. I’m happy, they’re fine, and I’ll move on to the next thing.
I'm pretty sure it was *always* the bathrobe back in the Classic Skullface Era
Nice video.
If you are still going to compare MST and New Age Shockwaves, could you throw Iron Factory Bridge Watcher into the mix?
This is one of those that is to close to call and very subjective. Personally I can't even consider a cockpit coming apart for a waist turn... or bending of the verticals to tuck into the legs. But definite downfalls for Takara... especially in the legs and posing... it can be balanced easy enough but not as solid as I would like. and as much as I love the jet mode of the Takara ... the clean underside of the MakeToys is so.... sleek. Takara did make a huge improvement, but still not perfect. :/ Great review on hitting all the differences!!
I feel that the takara Starscream need to be a slightly lighter shade of gray. Not quite as light as Maketoys but just enough to where he doesnt look as dull.
Objectively, takara.
My subjective preference is MT
Thanks for putting together the comparison! Interesting stuff, I don't give Takara the point for hardware personally because even though they have more ratchets, their ratchets aren't toleranced properly to the point where it's not an enjoyable experience to manipulate the figure. Personally I think the Takara looks the part more so, but I'm deciding not to go in on it because of the issues it has.
The build on the maketoys is want made me sell it. It was a floppy mess. Beautiful at the time, but sloppy. And the plastic in the wings is very soft.
Takara version looks much better. I think price is were takara takes a dive.
Here's the real question... can their heads be A) removed and B) swapped.
It always matters what da baby says
Great video as usual. I knew Takara would was going to win this and it is the better figure but it's just something about the MT Seekers that I like and Bobby I was thinking the same thing about the MT jet mode looking like it just stepped out of the movie. I may get Takara's Starscream but I'm not swapping out my seekers.
Have you thought about weighting? Nothing complicated, but on a per-case basis. In my opinion the maketoys waist should add more than just one check mark in their category. A figure with no waist swivel simply should not win overall articulation unless the waist is literally the only joint on the other figure. No waist swivel is utterly inexcusable
and yet 95% of pictures i see of people's collections never use waist swivels for a pose lol
I think the Takara Tomy Starscream looks so much better that it doesn't even seem like the Maketoys one is competing on the same level.
If you don't like the look on the Takara one, you don't like the look on the original cartoon Starscream... which is completely fair even though not a reason to say that the Maketoys is objectively better unless they were trying to make a figure that was inspired by the original cartoon design, not trying to look exactly like it and if that is in fact true they shouldn't be compared to one another because Takara Tomy set out to be as close as possible to the original cartoon Starscream which they did spectacularly well.
The only two things that the Takara Tomy MP-52 Starscream has against it are the price point and the fact that for that price point the tolerances should be perfect to a fault.
I can't understand why ppl hate the Takara Tomy MPs so much, unless they're mad because they're too expensive and even though I can agree with that I don't think they are worst with each release be it in terms of quality or look. In fact I think they never looked better then they do now and until today I was never disappointed with the quality on an original Takara MP, quite the opposite, normally they feel like they are a bit above almost all the other companies in terms of both look and quality. In my opinion and experience not even Fans Toys or MMC, my two favorite 3rd party companies, are better then Takara Tomy, they some times get very close but never better.
Thanks for the comparison Mr. Skullface.
I think the negativity towards official MPs just comes from the bad ratio of price to the level of "fit and finish". When I pay 300 bucks for a Fanstoys figure, the paint will almost certainly be pristine, the joints are almost always tight and the pieces will snap together perfectly, and hardware faiure is rare, and usually isolated to single part that is easy to get a replacement for. With Takara, I usually see tons of blemishes and imperfections in the paint apps and molding, the joints tend to be way more dubious, the figure is way more likely to break or have compromised plastic, and if it breaks it's difficult or impossible to get a replacement.
Like, I've got both MP-36 and Roadking in front of me right now, I can't see I single flaw on Roadking, I imagine someone at the factory pored over him with OCD level of scruitiny. MP-36 has paint imperfections and gaps where panels don't fit together great, I imagine he was pumped through the factory much more quickly and without as close of an inspection, which is to be expected because Takara is a bigger company producing figures on a larger scale whereas Fanstoys makes figures more as a passion project on the side that blew up and became super popular
And this goes for all my figures. Looking over at my MP Ironhide I see a little paint spotch on his head crest, some scuffs in the pastic on his legs, etc. Looking at my MP Rodimus I see this scuff right on his shoulder and his face won't sit flush in his helmet. Looking at MP Prowl his paint apps are just pitiful, and that's after I did my own touch ups to the worst parts. Looking at MP Shockwave he's got this weird little dent right in his chest piece. Meanwhile looking over at my Fanstoys figures I can't see a single flaw, except occasionally a paint chip caused during transformation (which also occurs on Takara figures).
Obviously everyone has their own threshold for what bothers them when looking at a figure, and a lot of collectors wouldn't even notice the flaws that irk me, but the point is there's a reason Fanstoys is pulling so many people in lately while Takara is pushing so many people away.
@@BingBong67489 I've had absoloutly the opposite experience. My Fans Toys figures have more QC issues than any other company: paint chips, loose joints, and a LOT of breaks. I have absolutely never had a single paint chip, break, or other QC issues with Takara.
I only get Fans Toys because Takara hasn't made those characters yet.
I love my Fans Toys TF action figures but I don't think they are better then the Takara Tomy ones.
Up until the release of MP-32 I completely ignored the MP line (with the exception of MP-1) but all the releases following MP-32 have been the best representations of those characters and excellent TF action figures. I own them all and I will hardly ever substitute them unless there's a real breakthrough in technology that allows the paint, engineering, hardware and materials to achieve the next level.
The way ppl describe what they feel when dealing with an original Takara Tomy MP gives me the impression that they must have dealt with a KO instead because I get that same feeling when I'm messing with a KO myself. The funny thing is that ppl who deal with KOs normally say they are as good as the originals and I think they are either saying what justifies their purchase better or they have no notion whatsoever about what they are talking about.
I never dealt with a KO that felt close to an original much less improved on it and I never dealt with an original Takara Tomy (I''m talking about MP-32 forward) that felt like a KO.
Human beings lie, they lie a lot and they do it to not only to achieve a certain goal but mainly to hide the truth from themselves.
I believe that most ppl (notice I said most and not all) that trash on an original Takara Tomy are trying to justify why they aren't going to get one.
@@brenoferreiraferreira4409 Wow I wonder how they were able to KO MP-52 so fast.
@@BingBong67489 You really think I was talking about Booby's Skullface comparison?!!! That's what you got from my comments?!!! Jeeeeeeeeeeesus man learn how to interpret text.
I'm waiting for a reviewer to take that O face and see if the Takara/Hasbro Megatron hand will fit around Starscream's neck.
It does work. There are pics online.
@@iamtheomnimonkey Cool! I'll have to look those pictures up to see I it looks like a good display option.
I bought it but it can’t win if it can’t stand in a detolf. Hope my copy is better when it gets off the boat.
I really hope Deformation Space can finally knock this guy out of the park.
Same here. I have very high expectations
Are we sure that thing isn’t a ko of the mp? It looks so similar and the name sounds like a ko name😂
Absolutely. If they can knock at least 70 dollars off the Takara price with the same toon aesthetic, a clean transformation, and decent build quality, they are going to be the ultimate winners here (or should I say, we are going to be the winners). I have very high hopes for that figure, in fact, I've got all my chips on him! I personally feel like 3rd party is always going to make the best figures because there are so many different companies competing to design the same characters. Really looking forward to that release!
I think the Takara Scream could look much better if he had mor white colour, not the gray one.
Hope the fanboys are happy with the results. Thank you very much for a great comparison video! Keep up the great work.
Pretty sure the MT fanboys still can't get over they took a L here
@@JohnSmith-fq8kz to be fair, it’s an older mold and cheaper as well…so I think MT did well for 5 - 7…with the prices TakTom are charging, the figure should reflect the value of the prices that the are charging…
As for MT fans, pls have a look at the comments…so far so good
cant wait for deformation space's offering. these both look nasty
how's the Deformation Toy Crimson Wings gonna fare?
Both figures have their strong and weak points. So no matter which one you pick, I say it's a win.
Not sure if this was mentioned…
I got the re-run of Maketoys from this year…. He now comes with the wing fillers, so it’s finished and he comes with 3 MORE faces of a lighter grey so now you can actually see his face. So they listened
As somone who doesn't care as I don't collect transforming dolls (kidding), I think the Takara looks best. I also don't think if I collected these I would be transforming them, they would just be standing like statues sooo looks is all that would matter.
Thanks for the always entertaining content!
~ P_Bear
I would like to see the takara head on the maketoys body
Glad I held out for Takara -
And don't even get me started on the lego-like make toys Coneheads.... never been more disappointed than those Diaper hips, until I saw >>> Those Botox knees tho
I'm not overly happy with the Takata version. The head is way too big. Also, the Takara version is just too expensive for me. It's almost double the price.
My main issue with the MT is the tiny heads, so much of a character comes from the face that it borderlines ruins the bot for me. Will be interesting to see how the new DS one shapes up, that I'm kinda tempted by.
I have no idea what you're talking about. MP-58 blows Maketoys out the water. The underside of the jet mode is accurate to the animation model.
Seeing them together side by side I knew the takara was winning but that I was winning cause I like the make toys better. I feel like there were a couple times where you wanted to slam takara but backed away from that can of worms. I don't think it would've changed the out come. For me the make toys cockpit looks really good, has the waist swivel and isn't over engineered too be covered in seam lines. The seams on modern takara are my biggest problem, they look like they're made with Legos. The null rays, his most defining feature look bad because it transforms. For my eye I wish the maketoys head was lighter color, didn't have the forearm gap and had better hands. But I'm happy, just wish I could get the rest of the seekers from maketoys.
There is a wing filler for Maketoys Meteor, so is Lightning and Skycrow (its sold out however).
tfsource.com/make-toys/mtrm11-meteor-wing-fillers/
Yes but the initial release didn't have that
@@curiouscarlo7276 I never mentioned anything about initial release did I?
@@bfang19 Just thought that I mentioned
I like takara but the quality is so bad. I’m hoping for a ko.
The DS-001 Starscream is coming out soon
MP-52 is actually 2.0
MP-11 is 1.5.
MT gets presence? I don’t see how you got that but I agree with the rest
Don't you basically wear the same outfit almost every review? I assumed that's why your arms are always itchy ... or is it just the tendencies towards commentary bozolitry that keep getting under your skin?
There's another third party Starscream. Deformation Space ds 001
I feel like displaying Meteor with the head of MP-44 is a different category than these two 😅
Great video I thought this was version 2.0 for Taraka tomy starscream not 3.0 I could be wrong I did see reports that on the feet the pins on the feet have stress marks causing the figures feet to be lose and it could eventually break
Depending how you count, theres 3 versions of Starscream realeased. 1 way of counting it is that MP-11 is just a retool of MP-03. In my humblest of opinions thats what Igear did with their Seekers, and i dont think they look even the slightest similar to what Takara counts to what they did with MP-11. So to to me theres 3 versions of Starscream, V1 V2 and the latest V3, a simple counting for a simple mind. But according to Takara theres V1, V1.5 and now V2. So knowing when its gonna count as a Version X.5 and when its its own digit, thats the real question. Only Takara knows for sure, im just a shmuck with some cash to spend
@@zilvertron it depends on nothing, the "2.0" is clearly printed in the box, so that's the name Takara gave him and that's the name we should call it too, to avoid confusion. Yes technically it's the 3rd version but the second was not a complete new model, it was just an update of the first one with some changes, so it was a sort of 1.5 version
@@davidez4640 And thats what i wrote, except you seem to stopped bother reading. Typical!!!
Maketoys for have the price I think it’s a better toy
Even though takara win, I prefer the maketoys more then the takara offering.
I LOVE my 2.0 SS and see every other MP seeker mold as being inferior and ugly compared to the 2.0 version.
Man you got a lemon sadly.