Does a Crosley or Victrola DESTROY your vinyl?
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- There are plenty of entirely legitimate reasons to recommend not buying cheap record players from brands like Crosley and Victrola. But the common claim that they "destroy" records or "chew up the grooves" in normal use is an exaggerated myth that is scaring away newcomers and giving a false impression of the format's fragility.
See also Channel 33 RPM's video "Tired of grown men picking on kids with Crosley record players": • Tired of grown men pic...
And for an objective, in-depth review of suitcase-style record players, see my video "Is the Crosley Cruiser really THAT bad?": • Is the Crosley Cruiser...
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Couldn't have said it better. People just getting into album collecting aren't playing hard to find expensive records. They're playing modern pressings of popular records that are constantly getting reprinted or common dollar bin record store albums. It's not the end of the world if someone somehow manages to wear out an 18 dollar repress of Number of the Beast on a Crosley by playing it 50 times.
Isn't it kind of pointless to get an analog version of a song originally recorded in a digital format?
@@jamesrosewell9081 Pretty much. Records have to be mastered differently from CDs so for some albums the original vinyl versions do sound way better (the early albums of a band called Bathory are prominent examples). But other than that you should only buy records if you really like the format. Also if your system isn't fully analog (ie has a bunch of old school vacuum tubes) the audio will be converted to digital anyway. Analog purism is dumb.
$18 is quite expensive really. You shouldn't be playing them on a pathetic plastic toy like this.
@@pov_music It's not the end of the world if a teenager somehow manage to ruin an 18 dollar record that's being constantly repressed.
My dad found a first pressing of "The Singing Nun" (Dominique is the funny song from the second season of American Horror story) in a dollar bin at a record store. First thing imma play on my new record player, NOT CROSLEY OR VICTROLA. It's LP&No. 1
me who doesnt even have vinyl: very good information to know here.
Dang, vinyl is really cool. And if you don't want large records you can just buy 45 rpm records which are like super small records
@@Warp2090Or you could get into these new hitech called CDs. Fits 100s of songs on one CD
man 4 months ago me was speaking fax
@@Warp2090and cheaper
I will have them tho
you know what i think? so what if you dont have the best stuff. records are meant to be played and enjoyed. if you really love a record you have, wear it out. use it. enjoy it. its not anyone else's problem what you do or use with it anyways
This is honestly the greatest comment I have ever seen in all of RUclips.
I think this video was made mainly for people with first print stuff and playing it on these records
I have a similar turntable, but I'm scared to use it. The vinyl community is so agressive, I'm forcing myself to look for something else 😭😭
Me either. I'm looking to buy an Audio Technica AT-LP60 so i can relief myself from the community.
You could get into cassete tapes
Just buy some cheap fun records from a charity shop and play to see the wear. I've found that my cheap players are just fine on records, I'm not buying or playing super rare stuff. If it's a popular album and you got it for less than 20 quid, it's no doubt a repressing and isn't that rare, some popular albums sold millions of actual records, and most of them are just reprints and not worth much. Don't worry too much, just make sure you're not accidentally somehow in possession of a priceless collection and play what you like to hear
I’ve played records hundreds of times and never replaced a needle. It’s not that big of a deal. It doesn’t ruin them at all. They will sound great for a lifetime.
OMG IK. They're so aggressive, but this video makes me feel sure that it doesn't really matter that much.
A year ago I got a Crosley as a gift and I was so worried it'd destroy my records, I really wish I knew this back then so I would've played em more. I upgraded to a Sony turntable now, mostly for the sound quality, but I'm glad I had that Crosley as a jumping-off point.
Which one did you get?
@@praxeye the only unit they sell is the cruiser
@@KxshouTOtW that's not even remotely true
@@surrealix58 well for suitcase players not at all is it the only turntable they sell I didn’t mean all i meant just suitcase style
I think my first turntable was a Crosley but it wasn't a suitcase one, I don't remember though
The most important thing is to enjoy your records unlike audiophiles who spend their time moaning and complaining about minute technical differences nobody notices!
Thank you and records are ment to be played am I right? If you like your this record I say get to play one and save the other one
Have you ever heard a high level system?
even on (snake oil) expensive turntables you can't ignore the fact that *ANALOG* audio introduces *LOTS* of noise sources, so the quality of the listening is always inferior to digital audio (plus the inconvenience of size, weight, power consumption, volume occupied by the library, physical decay of media by storage with factors like heat, humidity, vinyl deforming properties, and the inability to have a full catalogue indexed by any criteria you like to search and listen to a song in less than 2 secs)
In that case just use lossless streaming? The point of records is the minutia, and almost pointless things
@@marcusborderlands6177 there is something to be said about listening to Stairway to Heaven with all that crackle from a record. That's how it should be listened to, not all of this lossless nonsense with spatial audio and Led Zeppelin's face appearing on your screen with multiple camera angles.
I'm fine with these they seem to just be for getting people interested in vinyl. I don't know anyone that got into vinyl through buying one of these that continued to use them on a regular basis after they had a collection of more than 10 or so records. They usually upgrade by then or abandon the hobby completely. Usually, the later it seems.
And the people who do upgrade to a better turntable almost universally say that their records now sound better than ever, which obviously would not be possible if their first record player had ruined them!
@@vwestlife Exactly, no one is ever going to use one of these things long enough for that to ever happen. I also think its likely the record player itself would fail before that coudl happen, lmao!
I think you're missing the third group, those who accidentally mishandle the record whilst playing resulting in scratching from the record. These people ultimately become DJs and techno artists. There is nothing like buying a crummy RUN-DMC record from Good Will for $1, setting the speed of your turn table to 45 RPM and spinning the crap out of the record. You got nothing to lose from destroying that record and everything to gain from hearing new tunes as you scratch it up!
I have like 20 records and still have a suitcase player
@@JessHull if I have to buy a turntable, I would take Audio Tecnica, Sony or Pioneer turntables instead of the victrola
These types of players are for casual use, I doubt they are used for hours of "critical" listening. For what they are, they're fine. Most records are NOT worth a million bucks, and any "serious" listener will have a better (perhaps vintage) TT. My Dual 510 is vintage mid range, But good enough in my system, But these are perfectly OK for a "retro" themed party (likely the biggest use for them) or for someone who want's the occasional nostalgia fix. They don't "eat" records. They certainly are better than whatever passes for CASSETTE players that are made today! Having a worn stylus (even in the best cartridge, on the best turntable) is what's gonna kill your records!
Here are the answers i'm looking forI will buy a crosley brand, I always look at the comments in the videos and everyone sees crosley as a murderer. My old machine broke down in a very short time and cannot be found, there is no repairman, but new models are not like that. I don't want to spend anymore
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@@gechJack777 A "Crosley" wil be fine for 99.8675309% of all record consumers out there. There are no worse (or better, TBF) than 99.8675309% of record players made "in the day". They will NOT "kill" your records, LOL. Yeah, they are NOT $3,000 turntables, But FFS, 99.8675309% of records were NEVER made to be played on $3,000 turntables in the first damned place! I'd be 100x wary of crap "modern" cassette mechanisms than modern turntables/record players. GO ahead get a "Crosley" or a "Victrola", It's FINE, don't let "Gatekeepers" prevent you. the vast majority of LP records from 1949-1989 were played on WORSE!
@@shrekswamp1147 ????
A friend just gave me her dad's old barely used Crosley. It's one in a larger wooden cabinet and it surprisingly sounds decent. It made playing old Christmas albums in the living room this year more convenient and without the shrill shite sound I've experienced from cheaper models, it gave a nice ambiance with the decorations. Definitely for occasional playing though. Now if I want to crank up some old mono 45s for actual LISTENING, I go to my main setup in a back room.
I had a Victrola when I first started collecting records years ago. I’ve since upgraded to a Pro Jet Debut Carbon and recently to a Technics SL-1200GR. The records I used to play on my Victrola still sound fantastic. I would not worry about playback on it
Thank you for this! I've been wanting to get into collecting vinyl but have heard horrible things about the Crosleys, so I have stayed away without even knowing why they're so hated.
Very informative & well-paced video. It should also be noted that some older Crosley's also have a shorter stylus arm, meaning they can somewhat lean to the side when it gets closer to the inner part of the record. Victrola's also been releasing newer portable record players (Victrola Eastwood & Victrola Revolution) that ditch the suitcase aesthetic, but have a much higher quality Audio Technica cartridge.
No worries! For most people new to vinyl, their interest will wear out before their records.
Exactly, and if it eventually turns into a serious hobby, people will most likely invest in a better system
Although, their interest may wear out as a result of using such a poor turntable.
@@SSJfraz sounds like a purchasing problem
I’m trying to invest in a new system for myself. But until then I use my parents record player.
Yeah, but look at what this "fad" did to the CD.
The best thing you can do is replace the sapphire/plastic stylus with a diamond one. That also has an aluminium cantilever and the diamond tip lasts 10 times longer.
hi do u have an example? i’m too scared to use my crosley player i was gifted without upgrading the stylus first
Yep. The biggest issue is just that they sound awful.
But sounding awful can be an interesting way to experience old music, so even that has merit IMO.
It's fun. People need to chill out a bit and just be happy that this entry point in the hobby has resulted in an incredible comeback of the medium, and the resulting avalanche of good quality represses and new releases.
These are also great for when you want to play less than stellar condition records (like something you may find at the flea market). I have my higher end turntable for decent condition records. I have one of these Crosley types for the warpy, scratched, potential skip crazy vinyl I stumble across
Bought a cheap Vinly record to play physical media. Don't care for the highest Analog quality, best record player, collecting, etc. It's just fun to play Vinly records. For physical music I prefer cassettes cause I grew up with that so this Vinly thing is new to me. Thanks for the info!
If you want to back farther, get a 8 track player
I agree you should periodically put "a new fang in the tonearm cobra" but the problem is keeping track of how many records/songs you play, there was never a good way to do this so most people don't bother changing it
A good rule of thumb for any turntable is if it sounds bad and starts to skip then replace the needle for sure. The Crosley players definitely don't have the bass response on a lot of their models but generally you can still hear if it doesn't sound right in the higher frequencies. That's when to replace. If you don't replace the needle when it's bad, that's when it will ruin your records. If you get the diamond replacement needle instead of the stock sapphire, you will get many more hours out of that.
I love Crosley. I've had my record player for 15 years and never had problem one with it. And it did not damage at all to my records.
I bet you've never played your records through a decent system. You'd hear the distortion immediately.
@@dougmacmillan1712 Yep
@@dougmacmillan1712not everyone has 200 dollars minimum to get something better
I bought a Hype brand suitcase style USB turntable a few years back. I used it to record a hard to find song from vinyl to computer. It mostly sat around for the next 4 or 5 years. Now the speed drags and lurches. Not sure if the belt wore out or the motor went south. But, suffice it to say, it was not a good purchase even at a relatively low price.
Honestly, the speakers are the worst part. I have a better turntable, but when I just want to have a casual little sit-down with a record and not make it a main event, I've got one of these USB'd into my computer and I don't even bother with the internal speakers on it, just listen to my vinyl through Audacity on my PC. I mean, if I want to listen to a record like I MEAN IT, I could get up and put one on my nicer turntable, and enjoy a richer, fuller sound, but... this is fine for when I just don't want to get up. On super rare occasions, I will even use the internal speaker if I just want to go to the bedroom and put on a vinyl nice and quiet and nap to it.
Short and sweet, couldn't be said any better. Happy new year!
One thing I've learned is that with any record player, rather it be old or new, is to always test with some junk records first. I've played records on SOME of these newer record players and watched the grooves change color as the record played, and I've had the same thing happen on older record players. It's usually due to a QC issue (a defective stylus from the factory, incorrect tracking pressure, etc.). One time, I installed a "no name" replacement stylus in a Stanton 500 magnetic cartridge and I could see my records getting chewed. I then used a genuine Stanton stylus and all was well. On modern record players, I've often had good luck with replacing the Chinese knock-off cartridge with a genuine Chou-Denshi cartridge.
I just tested the soundtrack to “My Little Pony: The Movie”, the original G1 version from 1986 on my Victrola 8-in-1 stereo system and it skipped like hell on side 1. I have to test it on my GE Wildcat and it does fine without skipping.
@@Musicradio77Network does your GE use the C660 stylus? I find its one of the most reliable , inexpensive and abundant of vintage styli.
@@beerrox711 Yes! It still has the original C660 cartridge and it was a Varco or Pfhanstiel.
I had my Victorola for over 3 years and never had an issue. 🤷♀️ Including my second hand carpenters albums I play religiously lol. Just replace or clean your styluses people.
Just enjoy your records people, the amount of snobs and a-holes in the vinyl community is astonishing, they were made to be listened to, enjoy it to the last second, you only live once.
Yeah, I suppose you’re right. Nothing on earth is permanent anyway, and even if it is, it’ll get eaten by the sun when it explodes in a few billion years or whatever.
I'm a dedicated Stanton user, and I have had my fair share of Crosley turntable usage. They make a great Christmas gift, cheap beginners record player and nice gimmick. They're not exactly designed with quality in mind, but they're not the worst.
It's worth mentioning some records made around the 70's and earlier had fillers and other material added to the vinyl to boost its strength. This is because turntables from the time tracked even heavier than a Crosley would. One record I own from around the time boasts that it can handle up to 11 grams of tracking force.
Very good to know! And I've got to add, context matters when it comes to vinyl wear. My mom had a 50s-era mono changer that must've tracked at around 10 grams. In the mid-1970s it was shredding grooves. The moment the stylus was replaced, it completely stopped shredding grooves. The records I knew she played on it after the stylus swap...they are completely unscathed. On hi fi equipment they don't sound "destroyed", not even close.
Oh this is good to know. Thank you ;)
I love the aesthetics of the victrola 7 in 1 player and really only want to collect records of albums I listen to all the way through. Otherwise the cd part and the Bluetooth capability are really handy. Thanks for this video! I did a lot of research on proper storage of records but as soon as I asked about the victrola I got shut down by a LOT of record collectors.
I bought a victrola and though it didn’t scratch any records, it did skip them. Due to the lack of balance in the turntable, all of my records started to skip.
If your suitcase turntable works for you, that’s great.
Would I recommend them? Probably not
I got a crosley for Christmas since I ordered some vinyls for myself a month back and now I'm getting these kinda videos which are extremely helpful and informative for me 😭 thank you !!!❤ I was scared to put my records in because I heard the needle will destroy them ! D:
Thanks man I have a 5 in 1 thing by Victrola and I heard it can be bad and it may destroy my records and I was scared to play records on it now I feel better
Thank you for telling me this, I own a Crosley
And they ask me why I use cassette instead of Vinyl.
I have a Dire straits record I bought in 1979. I still play it and love the crackle it gives. It's nostalgia.
nice! I won’t wear out my fairly used, £1 lp’s which are just mostly for testing and all from before 1980. Got some country and classical on all formats, plus I won’t play them more than 50 times
That's good to know b/c we got my hubby one for Christmas with some old classic albums (not old collectables - old as in music - new albums)
After I bought it - I started to realize I might have wanted to do some research -- but all of the research I've been doing - I'm hopeful that tomorrow morning will be wonderful!
The problem I have with these record players is that for very little more, you can get something considerably better. These are the cheapest of the cheap you can get and it shows. Spend $20 more and get an Audio Technica AT-LP60 or something. Or better yet, if you're prepared to go second hand, you can get a better turntable for less than these Crosley turntables are brand new.
A typical suitcase player is like $40 to $60. Nowadays an AT-LP60X is $129, and that's not including speakers. And the prices of good used turntables have skyrocketed. I got my Technics SL-1900 about five years ago for $45. Nowadays it's worth $300+.
Remember they're not DJ TURNTABLES. Comparing notes to the old BSR needles in the 1960's those were junk. I had to constantly replace the needle it was reinforced plastic that read: LP you flip them to 78. But this system i am looking at became a standard on lesser technology turntables and record players. I had a cheaper FISHER that had this cartridge needle it mistracked it wasn't the needle but the lousy weight in the rear end of the tone arm...
Exactly. These are crappy tables, but they are FANTASTIC to allow people to dip their toe into the hobby and just start ENJOYING VINYL!!! If you see over time it is going to be a longer term thing AND you are spending your hard earned dollars on more and more vinyl....then maybe consider a upgrade. Not even because you are worried about harming your records, but maybe just to get an even better sound quality from them. Most importantly...HAVE FUN!!! :)
Nice to hear, also nice to see you on my shorts feed.
50 hours life on the included stylus? Yikes. Best to upgrade it to something a bit more substantial ASAP.
That is normal for a sapphire or ruby stylus. My 1994 Panasonic stereo system also came with one, and its manual says to replace the stylus after only 20 hours of playing time!
Thank you for sharing this information. Have a great day.
What EVERYONE needed to hear!
I’m glad you made this because it makes me mad when the vinyl snobs say what they think is the best “entry level” record player and then it costs $500
Yup. If you can afford it, at least get a minor upgrade--however the idea that these things absolutely wreck records is grossly overstated
I used a Crosley suitcase record player on a record that I played about 15 times and now putting it on a more expensive record player it sounds bad
My journey started with a Crosley! It was short lived when I heard my buddy’s sound system so I upgraded to a Sony. Now I’ve upgraded my Sony for a Audio Technica which I’ll have for a very long time because I can upgrade the my needle. Something I couldn’t do with the Sony.
Agree with you,Happy 2022
Thank you! Audiophiles make victrola out to be the spawn of satan it seems sometimes 😕 in all honesty i don't care that much for sound quality, just for the lifetimes of my records so its good to know that Victorias aren't as bad as people made it out to be
Yeah, honestly the thing that's gonna kill you is how Godawful the built-in speakers on these things are!
Also, something I thought of watching your full size video: would adding counterweights to the back of the stylus cause issues? Something like a the kind of weighted tape you see on balanced wheels and helicopter blades, though much less, of course. Would that reduce wear, or would it just interfere with some sort of mechanical design within the player and cause it to do something like skip more or lose volume or something else?
It would likely cause issues. As I understand it, the ceramic needles these suitcase players use require the heavier downforce of 5 - 6 grams, so lightening tbat downforce is probably not a good idea.
Do not attempt to modify the tonearm unless you have a scale to measure it. Too light of a tracking force can actually cause more damage to your records than slightly too heavy, due to skipping and mistracking. The ceramic cartridge these players use has a recommended range of 4 to 6 grams, which may sound heavy by modern standards, but will not damage your records as long as you keep them clean and replace the stylus when it's due, as I recommended in the video.
@@vwestlife is distilled water ok for a cleaning fluid?
I have a TEAC LP-P1000 that I regularly use. I’ve stacked 4 quarters with double sided tape, and affixed them to the end of the tone arm, got the tracking down to 3.75 gm, from 5.75 gm. I know the tracking for the Chuo Denshi cartridge should be between 5-6 gm, but I haven’t noticed any issues using it at the lower tracking force.
I actually have many TEAC all on ones I’ve been using for the past 10 years or so. 2 x R-660 USB, 2 x LP-P1000 and 1 MCD-800. All have served me well.
One of the R 660 USB is new in box, only taken out once to make sure everything worked, then boxed up again.
I had very different expectations from this video. My Victrola VV-100 absolutely WILL destroy vinyl records, as will any other record player from the 1920s.
Yes, I have an original Victrola, the serial number dates it to 1921. They use a thick steel needle on a heavy acoustic amplifier, and will only work with hard 78 RPM records. Even the latter 78 RPM records are not safe in an old machine.
But as long as you stick to playing shellac 78s and replace the steel needle every time you play a record, there is almost no audible wear after playing a record 100 times on an antique acoustic Victrola: ruclips.net/video/Y8zm64GGizY/видео.html
@@vwestlife I didn't realize the durability was so good, but yes, I do change my needle after every play. It's amazing how good some of the old records are.
@@vwestlife I would've thought a 1920's player will tear up records in 10 plays, even if needle changed for every record
I have a black Crosley record player my brother got me for my last birthday gift and I use mine rarely. I have older records I’ve played once but am not too serious about vinyl collecting. But in the future I wouldn’t mind upgrading to a better turntable that won’t mess up my more vintage records. Even getting serious into vinyl in the future. I have a small collection right now so I am not too worried my vinyl will get damaged before I can upgrade. I barely use my record player.
Jesus thank you . I seen so many people get so nasty over this lol. “FINE DESTROY YOUR RECORDS “🤣🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
I’ve had a Crosley for 10 years and just kept it clean & functioning. None of my records are destroyed.
quick question, i have a more expensive turntable, however i have no idea when i will have to replace my stylus since i havent been keeping track on how many hours of music Ive played on it. Is there any trick to telling when a stylus is worn out?
Yes if its hissing or extra distoration thats a good sign
The old saying that seems most appropriate here is: "When you buy cheap, you buy twice."
Why bother with those when there are better ones available?
Because many people don't do a lot of research before buying, and just by the first result on Amazon ;). Since the damage is done, they likely won't upgrade soon...
You are missing something. Most people who buy this don't buy another lol, they lose interest in the hobby.
Easy to say when you have the money to get the better ones. I guess poorer folk have to settle with not even bothering, huh?
@@cheekloins4126 Actually the sensible thing is to buy quality vintage models secondhand whose cost has fallen due to diminished demand. That knowledge is true for more than just this situation. Techmoan has even said so when talking about cassette players. The point here is to avoid companies trying to cheaply exploit you.
@@cheekloins4126 if you are poor (like me) find a used one nicer one in need of repair and put some work into fixing it.
I found that you most notice it if you go from a low end turntable to a higher end one. The excessive weight of the cheaper machine eventually makes the groove wider and as long as you keep the record on low end equipment they'll fit perfectly fine in this widened groove without a noticeable impact in quality. However, when taking this record and putting it onto a high end system that has little weight and a fine stylus you'll definitely hear a more distorted sound do the grooves being wider than they should be leading to degraded quality.
That's TRUE, vwestlife! If you have an EXTRA CARE in your records and the turntable itself, your records will be STILL fine and less wear!
Still kind of nervous about it. I do not have a high budget at all, really can only afford a Victrola or Crowley. I want a record player because I’ve got a Mick Ronson vinyl from the 70s I’ve been doing to play. But, this vinyl is discontinued and somewhat hard to find in good used quality and low price, so I really don’t want anything happening to it. This vinyl is really important to me, so should I just wait for a while until I have more money to spend? Or is it really that negligible of ‘damage’?
I’ve been wanting* to play
I think it’s better if you wait until you have enough money to invest in a better record player
Fair but I’ve been researching now and looking at things and considering, and I’m honestly at the point where it’s like, I have a phone that can play the exact same music for free on youtube, I’m not spending the price of another phone to listen to it that would also take ages to save up for 🫠 I am going to buy a better cartridge to replace the default one tho because that’s really the big thing with these cheaper record players. Idrc about sound quality tho. It’s just for enjoyment. And in this day and age money’s tight, 500 dollars and up for a record player i’m not sure how much i’ll use is risky
Nice "cut to the chase" video trying to "set the record straight". NO pun intended (ok, maybe a little) LOL.
Thanks for another great video!
That moment when you can't tell if it's Kevin or a late-80s infomercial. Happy New Year mate :)
I have records dated 1902 and play just fine. But I clean my records with warm water with records THAT old. DO NOT use chemicals of any kind because they can dissolve old records.
After watching your initial video about this, I did what I like to call the "51 cent mod" that is, take two quarters and stick them to the far end of your cheap record player's tone arm with tape. Good desktop record players have a counterweight for the tone arm, so you can just add your own. I tested it myself, brought the resting weigh of the needle from like .8g to like .3g.
Just don't lighten it too much. Too little tracking force will cause problems with skipping and mistracking, which actually causes more damage to your records than a stylus that is tracking a bit heavily.
I have a crosley record player, when I put on a record it will play fine, I could then take that same record and flip it over and my turntable will start slowing down and speeding up to normal. Then I could flip it back and will have the same problem. Seems like it’s a belt or motor problem but how does flipping the record cause this effect. I’ve had this problem with 4 to 5 brand new records. Records are meant to be turned as most of them have 2 sides. Someone please tell me. I know i probably just need a better record player than a 25 dollar one that I’ve had for 5 years even though it still has low use
100 times is nothing. These cheap machines are dangerous.
Hey!- I love that watch your wearing 👍
If I might ask, which Pulsar model is that?
I am not in this video. I used clips from other videos.
@@vwestlife d'oh
Sorry about that
I have a 1byone 200$ record player that was on sale or something lowering the price by 120$
Best 80$ purchase ever
Im trying to start collecting and this helps a lot. Thx
Happy New Year!!
Im new to record collecting, and my first record player was a Victrola. It was fine mostly but it kept skipping my new records very frequently on the first time playing them. So I have replaced it because I was worried.
Make sure the cueing lever is fully lowering, as that is a common cause of skipping on these players: ruclips.net/video/i1YIh7y_uuU/видео.html
My music teacher in high school told me that he cleaned his records with dishwashing liquid, but be careful not to dampen the labels.
Last part save me
Don't spray stuff on your vinyl. Don't wipe vinyl with any kind of towel. Use a dry brush with a directional nap that picks up dust from the grooves and allows you to wipe it off on some clean cloth by wiping it in the opposite direction.
I would recommend going directly to that $250 Audio Technica turntable. A friend bought one recently, and it is a very good unit although it is manual, but that can have its benefits.
I bet that super crotchety-sounding old man in a slightly less old body, aka RadioTVPhonoNut, was fuming if he happened to come across this, given how much he's always beaten that drum/horse/brat.
Is there record hardening spray to reinforce grove strength as an cleaner? Even if it's a gimmick or destroying qualities result. 🧐
No, just keep your records and stylus clean. Dust acts as an abrasive (almost like sandpaper!) and increases the amount of groove wear as the record is played.
My turntable had a red plastic tip stylus but I made sur the replacement I bought was a diamond tip, still has red plastic but aren’t diamond tip good ?
If it is a genuine diamond stylus, then yes, it's better. But unfortunately many of the inexpensive "diamond" styli on Amazon are actually ruby, the same kind your player originally came with, falsely advertised as diamond when it's not. The recommended genuine diamond stylus for these players is the Pfanstiehl 793-D7M.
@@vwestlife Ha yes it definitely looks like I got screwed by Amazon two ‘diamond’ tip styluses for 8$ sounded way too good to be true and upon further inspection they have that blueish tint which all points to them not actually being diamond… Thanks a lot for the info, I see the exact model you recommended for 30$
Thank you for clarifying this
Could the needle or weight be changed on one? Just curious about it
The needle can be changed
@@dr3w399 good to know since apparently the OEM needle is bad I might look into getting a better one
@@Jay_Mac1775 there cheap on amazon
With an appropriate 78 rpm stylus (these are easily available), this type of record players, which often support 78 rpm, also is actually not a bad choice for playing the occasional 78 rpm shellac record, the sound quality of those can be surprisingly good IMHO.
Does the white needle have the same problem because i have a victrola with a white not a red 😅
I spent way too long looking for signs of the original cover on the yesterday and today cover, like ringo's sweater, to give up after a while, only then did I notice that you can just see the corner peeling off ...
We have one, it’s not ideal but good enough. What really keeps us from playing records more is not being able to figure out how to clean them without spending more than the cost of the turntable and records combined.
Vinyl Styl has a bare bones record cleaning kit that includes solution, record brush, and needle brush, and it retails for around $15. It's the set I've been using for a few years now, even having gone so far as to buy more solution when I run out. It works well and has even convinced me to buy other products. They're rather competitive with bigger, more expensive, names in the LP accessory market.
@@DaleFrewaldt Thanks for the tip!
@SharrelWright Thanks for the tip!
Extra note: Tracking force is the weight that the stylus ("needle") applies to the record while it is being played. It can be measured with a pocket digital scale. You just need to make sure that the platter of the scale is at the same height as a record, and put the stylus on the scale.
Or use a scale like the Riverstone one I showed in the video whose measuring platform is designed to be at the same height as the surface of a record.
Mines came in today for $33, thanks for the help and advice for inexpensive record players, i should buy more styluses incase the stylus i have gets damaged
My biggest problem with my victrola is the heavy tracking force can cause skipping certain areas. Really annoying but other than that super convenient and nice to look at
The skipping problem is actually usually caused by the cueing lever not lowering fully, as this video by Record-ology demonstrates: ruclips.net/video/i1YIh7y_uuU/видео.html
good to know in case i somehow wake up in the 1970s one morning.
Dude turntables are still very popular
It's the sort of thing I played on when I was about 10. And played any record we had in the house scratched or warped. Now I'm paying £20 to 40 quid an album as my system is of very reasonable quality.
Just bought one a few weeks ago
Thank you I just got one of the crossleys and this is good to know ❤
If you change the needle beforehand to a better one, won't that reduce the wear and tear??
I’ve been using cheap record players for years as long as you don’t scratch them they are fine.
I have a crosley and I’m a beginner so when I’m older I can try to buy a better record player
What kind of better quality needles fit this turntable? I can’t figure it out…
See my video all about it: ruclips.net/video/EBbprKEsExM/видео.html
If you knew how many people don't even know how to set their tables properly and actually damage their records. More often than not I have had to adjust tracking and weight even on higher end tables lol
Sometimes I listen to a song 100 times in a day hehe
A Redditor is gonna see this and have a meltdown lmao
Exactly, i posted a picture of a $40 record player on reddit and people are panicking about. I still brought it
I actually got linked to this video on Reddit lmao
What is the difference between the red tip stylus and the white tip stylus for those type of record players
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A real Victrola (acoustic gramophone by Victor's Talking Machine Co.) might due to the wide steel needle for 78 RPM shellac records and ounces of tracking force but not these modern cheap turntables that use the Victrola name. These cheap plastic turntables in general are not great and honestly I worry more about warping from the tiny 7" platter and poor sound quality than wearing out your records on these. Skipping also causes more damage than heavy tracking anyway. I ended up getting a Crosley Cruiser for Christmas in 2016 and I definitely wasn't the nicest about it but we did test it with my grandparents' LPs. It was disheartening for my grandma to hear the wow and flutter from the lid not being down all the way. She thought the record was too warped but of course that in conjunction with a good chunk of the record hanging off the platter and the lid not being fully open was a contributing factor. Cruisers aren't exactly known for their speed consistency anyway. Almost a year later I got myself a U-Turn Orbit Custom with an acrylic platter and Grado Prestige Black1 which I swapped out in April 2021 for a Nagaoka MP-110. While I don't recommend these plastic decks, you also don't have to go the route I did. You can get better options for a similar price and slightly above such as that Barnes & Noble bundle mentioned in the dedicated video on the Cruiser or an AT-LP60 or something similar.
At the part where you say "you should consider upgrading to a higher quality turntable whe you can afford it", is that a Fluance turntable?
You can also adjust the tracking force and upgrade to a decent stylus for these types of turntables, which reduce any "harm" to your records. But it's not really worth the trouble, better to just upgrade.