Back in WW2 train locomotives were often a higher priority target than tanks. Ground attack aircraft were even sent on dedicated missions to fly along train tracks until they found a locomotive they could destroy. Weapons win battles but logistics wins wars, so it makes perfect sense.
Yeah. My grandfather drove steam trains at night north of London throughout WWII - they had to shield the fire and smokestack and drove with hardly any light. They never knew if there was big bomb hole in the tracks coming up...!
One of the biggest part of Lend Lease to the USSR in WW2 was actually locomotives. Train cars are realtively easy to make. The carriage is the hard part. But locomotive engines are difficult to make.
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@@christopherg2347 They only began to arrive in 1944-1945.
well up to now, for countries that have full size drones and missile that would have left that locomotive as a wrack in a hole, having small cam drones for peeping tom moves has been enough.
Deffinitely not Končar used by Croato,Serbo,Montenegrin railways. One Končas broke two times between Kolašin-Podgorica with us under sun when outside was 35C+
they are powered by turbines, tinest nick to blade or housing and it flings itself apart at several thousand milees a second the FRAME they sit on is tough
Indeed, at the very least there will be damaged turbine blades and that means swapping out the turbine. They're going to have to send another locomotive to haul this to a repair shop. Any volunteers to drive that one?
It's really tough to take out a loco. Target the diesel tanks on the side, but diesel is hard to get flaming, it takes a lot of heat to do it. And the engine is covered on all sides with sheets of steel, thus limiting the impact.
@ChrisCoombes Basically everything that isn't the cabin plays a part in making the locomotive go. If anything breaks, the whole thing is out of commission. Damage the V16 diesel engine and there is nothing to turn the electric generator. Damage the turbine in the turbocharger and the diesel engine won't work. Damage the cooling system and the engine won't work (in theory it could work briefly before overheating and destroying itself). Damage the generator and there is no electricity to turn the wheels. Damage the air compressor and there are no brakes. Etc., etc. The diesel engine is the largest and heaviest component so it sits right in the middle. @mutteringmale The engine is no more covered in sheets of steel than the engine in a car is. See the panels blown open at 0:10? Those perform the same job as the hood of a car: keep the mechanical internals out of the elements. Those locked panels are the only thing between the outside and the inside. A locomotive has many large parts and it needs to be easily serviceable so it is not armoured (if anything it will have some sound absorbing insulation) and those drones do have the ability to punch through some amount of armour.
I was wondering when they would start going after train engines. Russia being very dependent on railroads. The rail lines and stations themselves are easy and cheap to repair, but not the engines. Take out the engines and they have to replace them by pulling them from other areas. It will slow down the supplies to the military and will eventually impact the civilian transportation side as well, giving the general population one more thing to complain about. Also, take out a few more and I bet the train engineers will be calling in sick a lot more frequently than they do now.
you've got to assume that since russian society is dependent on rail travel that they'd have a WHOLE LOT of locomotives laying around, so blasting their way to scarcity would take some doing. but hey, I'd be glad to be wrong.
@@edwardgiovannelli5191 I’m sure they have some spares, but not anywhere to the depth they had in tanks and artillery. Like they are currently fielding T-62’s on the front lines, it would be fun to see them be forced to use steam powered engines. If nothing else they would be easy for the spotter drones to spot.
This has short term tactical impact, but I don't see this as a strategic campaign. Perhaps it was to disrupt an imminent attack. I suspect this was merely a target of opportunity when the primary target couldn't be found. The second drone argues against that, but perhaps they were both sent after that other target. In WW2 the allies specifically targeted German locomotives, to great effect. But the factors that made that successful aren't here. Germany had a huge shortage of gas and oil, with the little available reserved for critical military use such as planes and tanks. Transportation was done by train and horse whenever possible. Russia has plenty of oil. Coal fired steam locomotives were trivia to spot and disable from the air, with a steam explosion confirming hits. Electric and diesel-electric locomotives are far less observable. Germany had no safe area, with allied planes constantly a risk over industrialized and populated regions. Russia has a vast undamaged rail network to draw replacement from.
The Russians have said numerous times that they can't fight NATO conventionally, that's why they are nuclear sabre-rattling.. That's what nukes are for- deterrence. But NATO is on a suicide mision
Tanks are comparatively small steel boxes crammed full of things that go boom. Locomotives are much bigger sheet metal boxes encompassing a lot of empty space and steel. Not much to burn there unless you hit a fuel tank and those are usually mounted on the bottom.
The stuff that burns is mostly hung off the underneath of the chassis and that would not work well for a tank. You don't have to violently disintegrate a Diesel-electric locomotive to stop it working: you only need to wreck the equipment connecting the Diesel generator to the electric motors in the bogies. I think that's what we just saw happening.
@suchomimus, if you're in a position to pass advice back to them, as I suspect you are, the key to disabling something massive with limited explosive power is to to destroy things that are finely detailed and have to be handled individually. For example, if you damage the engine, they will take the engine out and put in a new one. If you destroy the wiring in the cab area, or any other area where there is lots of individual wires that have to be handled individually, that is a lot longer task to repair to make it drivable again. If anywhere has a patch panel or distribution panel, that's the thing to aim for if you only have a small explosive.
Actually, it's a waste of time to try to do anything except to 1. Derail the train while moving or 2. using thermite grenade on the engine or 3. using a large explosive like an ATACAMS. There is not that much wiring in a loco. It's a really simple mechanism. A basic cd player auto installer with a wiring diagram could rough up a fast replacement in about a day.
@@bigshnitzeljesse I've been in a cab of a diesel locomotive under power, and it looked pretty simple to me....nothing a car audio installer couldn't rewire. People have to stop making ever little simple job in to a mountain to aggrandize their jobs that monkeys could do.
Probably a civilian and I think the generator would be at the far end, which was hit. The first two hits were probably electrical switchgear for the two bogies: more valuable, to Putin, than any engineer or driver. The disparity between Putin's priorities and those of Almighty God get more and more striking and this is ironic for the man who poses as the "saviour of Christian Civilisation"!
i think they didn't want to hit engineer, to let him consider retirement as you wrote, and give a good advice to younger teammates - stay away from military transport if you want to live. It's a war and you can be a target also.
@@vetrieska11 Локомотив это не военный транспорт. Это гражданский. Только когда локомотив везет вагоны с оружием он становится "военным". Тоже самое как самолет боинг. Он гражданский, даже если иногда перевозит солдат. Нападение на гражданский транспорт это военное преступление.
Nah, he was just happy to go home and not have to work... As for the explosions, it wouldn't be much different than some of CSX's engines that don't get maintained.
The name rang a bell. Mikhail Pavlovich Tomsky, old Bolshevik. Ran afoul of Stalin, shot himself (accounts may differ) in 1936. Unknown if he reincarnated as a tank engine or some other form of rolling stock.
the soft spots of locomotives are inside the driver's cab and the fuel tank. the fuel tank is slung below the chassis between the 3 sets of wheels. it might have up to 10,000 litres, depending on the model of locomotive. a direct hit on the fuel tank really will destroy all parts of the locomotive. i dont think the drone operators were well advised on the best place to hit locomotives.
The cab is much easier to repair than any of: the traction motors, fuel tank, and radiators. The drone operators were well-informed. That locomotive must be moved to a heavy repair facility where it will be for a good while. Plus - war crime to target the cab when you know there is a civilian engineer in the cab; and there are other means to disable the locomotive.
@@sindjinslade67 , the cab of most locomotives has a lot of electrical equipment in it. a bad fire in the cab may render it not worth repairing. hitting the fuel tank will cause an intense fire that will destroy all parts of the locomotive, including damaging even the chassis plate and the rail tracks beneath. if the loco is pulling a train loaded with materials of war then its no war crime to blow it up. i agree the locomotive will not be working for while but all damage will be mere flesh wounds. a wasted opportunity.
@@user-qi2gq6ef3w , hitting the fuel tank means you dont have to deliver as much explosives. check out the internal layout of locomotives. they hit the wrong places.
I'm not sure why they don't do this more often to the trains that are near the border. A ton of their military equipment and troops are moved by rail. They only have a certain amount of engines in a given area. News ones have to be brought in from further away and wherever they are pulled from will be working with less engines. Do this enough and it will start to seriously slow down transport.
The electric motors are in the bogies (sets of wheels) and the fuel tanks are probably under the chassis, too. I presume that the places the drones chose to hit were the generator which converts Diesel power to electricity and the switchgear which converts that to the correct voltage and then controls the application of power. (I assume it's a Diesel-electric locomotive and it certainly looks like one.) The Soviets did buy and study a British prototype Diesel-hydraulic locomotive at one stage, which is very odd because the only such locomotives ever to see serial production for British Rail (Western Region) were based on a German Maybach design! I think if the drones had hit hit a Diesel-electric transmission in the guts, we'd be seeing a nice smokey hydraulic oil fire.
The areas targeted appeared to be the diesel engine in the mid-body, possibly the fuel tank immediately under the solebar, and the cooling system in the nose section. It's enough to disable the locomotive pretty thoroughly, I think. The electric components would be a more difficult target, not least because they are smaller, but also because disabling just one traction motor still leaves the locomotive useful (failed motors can be switched out). You might be thinking of HS4000 Kestrel. This was in fact a diesel-electric design, notable for its early use of a main alternator (to absorb the very high power output of its large diesel engine) instead of a main generator as was then usual in UK practice. Study of this design probably influenced the design of the later and more powerful types of Soviet locomotive, starting with TEP70 which can be considered a direct analogue.
@@Kromaatikse When matthewspencer972 referred to the British Rail diesel hydraulic locomotives he was referring to the likes of Class 52, which were indeed based on a German Maybach design. There were also Classes 42 and 43, although I'm not sure if these were also based on the Maybach design.
@@heraklesnothercules. I know about these UK types. I'm saying that it wasn't a diesel-hydraulic that the Soviets bought an example of. It is, however, well-known that they bought Kestrel.
@@Kromaatikse Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying. Yes, I know about Kestrel. The Soviets finally removed the engine (and probably the electrical equipment) and then scrapped the bodywork. I don't know what happened to the engine.
Trains, bridges, power plants, pipelines and pumping stations, airports, water treatment facilities etc all support Russia's military and are, therefore legitimate targets anywhere if the country. 'Weapons free', Ukraine.
@@unoriginalname4321he's kinda right. Civilian infrastructure should not be targeted. Water treatment plants, power plants etc are not a military targets. Army can advance without them but civilians can't live without them. Army have diesel generators and their own supplies. It's literally what ruzzia did to Ukraine in winter 2023. They targeted power plants just to leave Ukrainians without electricity in a cold winter. Oil refineries, military bases, ammo depots, locomotives and so on are valid targets and Russia will suffer more from destroying it.
I wouldn't say it has taken it quite well. You are comparing it to a tank or APC with ammo in it that will burn/cook off. This loco will be unarmored and that liquid jet of copper would have caused some serious damage well into the internals of that engine.
As a former locomotive maintenance electrician I am intimately familiar with the wiring of the cab of a great many locomotives, it is simple in comparison to the inverter cabinets. And as a maintenance planner/foreman I can tell you cab repairs are simple compared to the resources, equipment, specialized skills, and time it will take to deal with a ruptured tank, and or traction motor housing. But go on… 😂
I think the idea is that, due to Russian/Soviet doctrine resulting in Russian units having only half the supply vehicles of equivalent NATO units, the weakest link in Russian logistics is not locomotives, but "last mile" delivery vehicles moving supplies from the rails to the front-line. While locomotives are a good target, Russia has lots of them. You're not really going to cause much more than minor inconvenience in striking them (in the intermediate term, anyway). The trucks, however, are already in such short supply that the Scooby-Doo vans were pressed into service as an ad-hoc replacement, a strategy with which anyone who's compared the cargo capacities of a VW bus v. a 5-ton transport can see the problem. As for bridges, that's easy; strike a locomotive, and you're waiting hours, maybe days, for the replacement. Strike a bridge properly, and it's out for months or years. Look at the Kerch bridge, and the fact that its rail-line still has a limited weight capacity due to Ukrainian operations, thus requiring the use of vulnerable and very-limited Ropuchas and other landing-craft as makeshift transports.
Once UA gets better at it, locos make excellent high value targets! RU runs on rails but rails are easy to repair or replace. Locos are not easy to repair or replace, think "tank[s]" level hard. =) This is some great thinking by someone, I reckon watch this space. 💛⚓💙
its just me or they tried to avoid hitting the cab because someone was in there? Thats the most important area, all main electrical componets and controls are located there. Those drones hit the engine block and radiator areas.
They are looking for ways to regain initiative by stretching Ukrainian forces out. Unfortunately for Russia they don't seem to be having much success in doing so
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Let's get the terminology straight - it's "terrorism" when the nation they attacked attacks them back, but just a special operation when they attack other nations. Sounds like Vodka Derangement Syndrome.
It didn't 'brew up' in a satisfying way, like a tank, but the nature of HEAT munitions means that if they hit the engine, it's a write off. The only problem with this approach is that I bet that Russia has more locomotives than tanks.
Open your eyes, fake master. That's not train. That's servicing locomotive for technical support and repairment. It just moves wagons around train stations and depots. Sometimes they travel for repairment on railways.
I would assume train parts factories and repair depos could be among the first to switch to military production and servicing military equipment which could make it tricky later on. That said the stock is probably quite considerable for now, and there is always China.
Let me think about destroying a locomotive: - I would probably use hollow charge ammunition. Generators and engines in that size bracket will likely only take superficial damage from shrapnel and high explosives. But if you can put a deep hole into them, a lot of important parts will be damaged. - the housing will possibly act a bit like a accidental cope cage/spaced armor. But I don't think they are designed to offer much spacing, so it likely will still go through
There's too much steel in a loco for it to show external damage. The second blast hit low and blew the access panels open. I'd guess that could have destroyed the drive and probably destroyed the engine/generator. If that's the train I think it is, the company that builds them is located in Kharkiv. Do you think that could make spare parts difficult to source?
That’s what my friends at Union Pacific tell me. Visit the UP Steam Shop in Cheyenne, WY if you get a chance. Home of the UP 4014 Big Boy steam locomotive and UP 844 steam locomotive. They occasionally give tours but not in summer.
It would be interesting to get a locomotive expert opinion on the question. I suspect that simple explosives, grenades or C4, would cause superficial damage that could be repaired easily enough. But I suspect that anti-tank weapons like RPG warheads could do some serious/permanent damage. Punch holes in the block of diesel engine or through generator coils.
Engine block. Each set of trucks has giant generators between the wheels. The generators are fairly well protected by the wheels. With that said, if it’s diesel electric which this one looks like, its fuel capacity is about 5000 gallons with 2500 on each side completely exposed.
@@taxesdeathandtrouble.1886 not generators but motors between the wheels. And yes, the tanks are the best targets, located between the 2 sets of 3 wheels each
What is interesting is that it is a diesel engine and there is no sign of electrification on that line. The way to take the engine out is to hit the belly tank. It looks like it might be a 5000 L one.
13km with an FPV drone is faaaaar. I bet they are using 1 drone super high to help act as a signal extender and then sending out explosive ones when they've found a target.
I would contact a locomotive engineer at Union Pacific to understand its most vulnerable areas. The yard at North Platte, Nebraska would have ideas. 🇺🇸💙💛🇺🇦✌️🗽
Technically, this is incorrect, a Train is a locomotive plus consist, this has no consist, ergo, it is not a train. it is a Locomotive, or Engine, or being super technical, Motive Power.
Surely they are getting some advice where the best hit would be.. As some of those components aren't so easily replaced. Especially the older they get. Right behind the cab between the engine and cab of the crew compartment is where all the electrical components and dynamic grid is located. The dynamo or generator is located there as well. Could be a real way of ensuring they won't be reusing it again for a long time if ever.
Хочу понять смысл этих действий. Потрачено три дрона, многотонный локомотив как стоял на рельсах, так и стоит. Даже если он приведëн в негодность, убрать его с пути не составит труда. = I want to understand the meaning of these actions. Three drones were spent, the multi-ton locomotive was still standing on the rails. Even if it is rendered unusable, it will not be difficult to remove it from the path.
Ремонт будет, но не факт, что сделают по людски. Составы тягать уже не будет, а если будет,то может заглохнуть в каких нибудь ебе...ях и еб..сь потом с ним. А за дроны не переживай - ещё купим.
Normally when a drone feed distorts towards the end, I've attributed that to ewars interference. Does that mean Russia is equipping some of its locomotives with ewars? I guess it makes sense they might be as expensive as tanks.
That locomotive (loco) is now very likely a right-off. They are not designed to withstand explosives being detonated into them. Hence the damages likely to be substantial. By the way, earlier on in the month on another video I wrote: “Has Ukraine considered using drones to attack railway locomotives and fuel tankers being hauled by them?” “A fuel tanker wagon getting hit while on a moving train would create a right mess for the authorities to clear up.” “Hitting locos on a moving train would block that line until a rescue loco could be found.” “And although there will be a lot of locos, damaging or destroying them will use up resources.” “Over time this combination of blocked lines and taking locos out of service will have a significant effect.” “The other railway targets are any railway bridges, either over bridges or under bridges.” “These take a lot longer to repair/replace than plain railway line.”
When the drones are equiped with RPG-7 heads with the typical anti-tank hollow charges and the aim would be taken at the engine block the hollow charge can easily go through the engine block and wreck it beyong repair.
Es pese a ser un acto violento, un gran vídeo de cómo las Fuerzas Armadas Ucranianas están poco a poco recuperando la iniciativa que le puede llevar a recuperar su País, y devolver la ilusión y la libertad a Su Gran y Orgulloso Pueblo. Gracias por compartir su trabajo 🇪🇸👍 🇺🇦 💪💥 ✌️🎗️
I’m not an expert on TEM designs, though from the schematics online I would agree. However, the TEM18 design is at least 2-3 decades newer and incorporates digital and even microprocessor control circuits. I would imagine it has improved inverter stacks as well. It is a shunt (switcher) so it would not have a very impressive power rating by design as it doesn’t need that much power to do its’ job.
I thought the same at first. When I saw six axles I expected it to be a freight locomotive, like an EMD SD40 or the like. Not to mention, it is much longer than, and has poorer visibility toward the long hood than something like an EMD SW1500. Yet the TEM18DM only generates 1200HP, so the SW1500 switcher is more powerful. More so, it is consistently referred to as a shunter on technical sites. Perhaps it was originally conceived as a general purpose or light freight locomotive that is consistently relegated to switching in current times; or a standard carriage with a lower power engine option for switching?
A diesel-electric locomotive would be a very hard nut to crack. The best hope might be if it was running at idle and unattended, to take out the cooling system, the turbocharger oil supply, an oil cooler to void oil and coolant so the engine can destroy itself or break some injector lines in the hope of setting things alight. Parked and silent, to the locomotive, FPV drones might be little more than a nuisance. Those strikes indicate awareness of this. They may have been separated to create as much dispersed inconvenient damage as possible.
"lost episode of Thomas the tank engine" 😂
Channel your inner Ringo: "The ruSSian diseasel had broken down in a very awkward place. The fat controller was not very happy!"
Strictly speaking this is not a train, but only a locomotive.
To the non spotter it's a train🤣🤣
Ah, but a broken locomotive is a special kind of misery for those who have to fix it
please see the FRA definition of a "Train", pretty much the same worldwide.
It's surprising how often people say that.
@@krissteel4074 Sure it is, it has to pull or push what's to become a train.
I'll bet the engineer was surprised.
Back in WW2 train locomotives were often a higher priority target than tanks. Ground attack aircraft were even sent on dedicated missions to fly along train tracks until they found a locomotive they could destroy. Weapons win battles but logistics wins wars, so it makes perfect sense.
Yeah. My grandfather drove steam trains at night north of London throughout WWII - they had to shield the fire and smokestack and drove with hardly any light. They never knew if there was big bomb hole in the tracks coming up...!
One of the biggest part of Lend Lease to the USSR in WW2 was actually locomotives.
Train cars are realtively easy to make. The carriage is the hard part.
But locomotive engines are difficult to make.
@@christopherg2347 They only began to arrive in 1944-1945.
No, that is when the USSR production restarted.
What were they using from 42-45?
Russia will show that two people can play this game. But whether opponents will like it is a big question.
Handles it better than their tanks.
well, there's only diesel fuel in it, I think below the engines in the frame area not being hit, it's the turbine engines you want shrapnel to hit
All the POW's are clearly visible
And the Box Full of puppies 😢
In the future they will teach Ukraine drone warfare tactics in military college in Western countries. Ukraine has basically reinvented drone warfare.
I’m pretty sure it’s already being studied and supported.
Umm. Uncle Sam has been doing this for decades.
@@TheFrewah Whoosh
Ukrainians are already being educated in drone operating in europe.
well up to now,
for countries that have full size drones and missile that would have left that locomotive as a wrack in a hole,
having small cam drones for peeping tom moves has been enough.
Diesel locomotives are tougher then tank, everyone who played GTA 5 know that well
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Deffinitely not Končar used by Croato,Serbo,Montenegrin railways. One Končas broke two times between Kolašin-Podgorica with us under sun when outside was 35C+
One survived a tornado in the US recently quite easily
they are powered by turbines, tinest nick to blade or housing and it flings itself apart at several thousand milees a second the FRAME they sit on is tough
Looks like a TEM18DM, diesel-electromotive powertrain.
The generators in that engine are now toast
Indeed, at the very least there will be damaged turbine blades and that means swapping out the turbine. They're going to have to send another locomotive to haul this to a repair shop. Any volunteers to drive that one?
Were the generators the main target - did they hit the right place?
It's really tough to take out a loco. Target the diesel tanks on the side, but diesel is hard to get flaming, it takes a lot of heat to do it. And the engine is covered on all sides with sheets of steel, thus limiting the impact.
I’d like to hear what an actual locomotive engineer / mechanic thinks. Hard to know if they really took it out or not.
@ChrisCoombes Basically everything that isn't the cabin plays a part in making the locomotive go. If anything breaks, the whole thing is out of commission. Damage the V16 diesel engine and there is nothing to turn the electric generator. Damage the turbine in the turbocharger and the diesel engine won't work. Damage the cooling system and the engine won't work (in theory it could work briefly before overheating and destroying itself). Damage the generator and there is no electricity to turn the wheels. Damage the air compressor and there are no brakes. Etc., etc. The diesel engine is the largest and heaviest component so it sits right in the middle.
@mutteringmale The engine is no more covered in sheets of steel than the engine in a car is. See the panels blown open at 0:10? Those perform the same job as the hood of a car: keep the mechanical internals out of the elements. Those locked panels are the only thing between the outside and the inside. A locomotive has many large parts and it needs to be easily serviceable so it is not armoured (if anything it will have some sound absorbing insulation) and those drones do have the ability to punch through some amount of armour.
I was wondering when they would start going after train engines. Russia being very dependent on railroads. The rail lines and stations themselves are easy and cheap to repair, but not the engines. Take out the engines and they have to replace them by pulling them from other areas. It will slow down the supplies to the military and will eventually impact the civilian transportation side as well, giving the general population one more thing to complain about. Also, take out a few more and I bet the train engineers will be calling in sick a lot more frequently than they do now.
Russia's got a lot of locomotives. At this point probably more than tanks.
you've got to assume that since russian society is dependent on rail travel that they'd have a WHOLE LOT of locomotives laying around, so blasting their way to scarcity would take some doing.
but hey, I'd be glad to be wrong.
@@rodman012003 Russia NEEDS a lot of locomotives. And they probably don't have stockpiles of them as they do (old) tanks.
@@edwardgiovannelli5191
I’m sure they have some spares, but not anywhere to the depth they had in tanks and artillery. Like they are currently fielding T-62’s on the front lines, it would be fun to see them be forced to use steam powered engines. If nothing else they would be easy for the spotter drones to spot.
This has short term tactical impact, but I don't see this as a strategic campaign. Perhaps it was to disrupt an imminent attack.
I suspect this was merely a target of opportunity when the primary target couldn't be found. The second drone argues against that, but perhaps they were both sent after that other target.
In WW2 the allies specifically targeted German locomotives, to great effect. But the factors that made that successful aren't here.
Germany had a huge shortage of gas and oil, with the little available reserved for critical military use such as planes and tanks. Transportation was done by train and horse whenever possible. Russia has plenty of oil.
Coal fired steam locomotives were trivia to spot and disable from the air, with a steam explosion confirming hits. Electric and diesel-electric locomotives are far less observable.
Germany had no safe area, with allied planes constantly a risk over industrialized and populated regions. Russia has a vast undamaged rail network to draw replacement from.
Saying Russia can defeat NATO is like saying Putin doesn't need a booster seat when driving his luxury Lada - next gen cupholders sold separately
No no, all other Russian cars have to have lowered seats so he looks tall.
The Aurus Senat, officially the Presidential State Car of russia.
Putin driving a lada😂 he would only ever drive a German/ itallian luxury vehicle.. ladas are for russian peasants not dictator 'god kings'
The Russians have said numerous times that they can't fight NATO conventionally, that's why they are nuclear sabre-rattling.. That's what nukes are for- deterrence. But NATO is on a suicide mision
@@TheFrewah Had to look it up. Looks like a wanna-be Rolls Royce without the name recognition or attention to detail.
The locomotive seems stronger than a Russian tank
I never thought I'd see the day a regular unarmored train would survive more kamikazi drone strikes then a modern tank would.
then?
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Sadly the fuel tanks on locomotives have more armor than the ones on T72's.
Tanks are comparatively small steel boxes crammed full of things that go boom. Locomotives are much bigger sheet metal boxes encompassing a lot of empty space and steel. Not much to burn there unless you hit a fuel tank and those are usually mounted on the bottom.
The stuff that burns is mostly hung off the underneath of the chassis and that would not work well for a tank.
You don't have to violently disintegrate a Diesel-electric locomotive to stop it working: you only need to wreck the equipment connecting the Diesel generator to the electric motors in the bogies. I think that's what we just saw happening.
@suchomimus, if you're in a position to pass advice back to them, as I suspect you are, the key to disabling something massive with limited explosive power is to to destroy things that are finely detailed and have to be handled individually. For example, if you damage the engine, they will take the engine out and put in a new one. If you destroy the wiring in the cab area, or any other area where there is lots of individual wires that have to be handled individually, that is a lot longer task to repair to make it drivable again. If anywhere has a patch panel or distribution panel, that's the thing to aim for if you only have a small explosive.
Actually, it's a waste of time to try to do anything except to 1. Derail the train while moving or 2. using thermite grenade on the engine or 3. using a large explosive like an ATACAMS.
There is not that much wiring in a loco. It's a really simple mechanism. A basic cd player auto installer with a wiring diagram could rough up a fast replacement in about a day.
maybe they didn't hit cabin because there are noncombatants inside?
@@user-u6rty2op Maybe they thought it was a secret day care center and doubled as an intensive care unit for a hospital?
@mutteringmale the insides of a modern locomotive has hundreds of separate electric components, sensors, switches, displays, breakers...
@@bigshnitzeljesse I've been in a cab of a diesel locomotive under power, and it looked pretty simple to me....nothing a car audio installer couldn't rewire.
People have to stop making ever little simple job in to a mountain to aggrandize their jobs that monkeys could do.
The engineer was fortunate that none of the drone pilots hit the locomotive's cab. Maybe he should retire.
Probably a civilian and I think the generator would be at the far end, which was hit. The first two hits were probably electrical switchgear for the two bogies: more valuable, to Putin, than any engineer or driver. The disparity between Putin's priorities and those of Almighty God get more and more striking and this is ironic for the man who poses as the "saviour of Christian Civilisation"!
@@matthewspencer972 I'm sure you are right. If they went after the locomotive as a primary target, they knew where to hit it.
i think they didn't want to hit engineer, to let him consider retirement as you wrote, and give a good advice to younger teammates - stay away from military transport if you want to live. It's a war and you can be a target also.
@@vetrieska11 Локомотив это не военный транспорт. Это гражданский. Только когда локомотив везет вагоны с оружием он становится "военным". Тоже самое как самолет боинг. Он гражданский, даже если иногда перевозит солдат. Нападение на гражданский транспорт это военное преступление.
@@kotnapromke You mean like blasting a civilian airplane out of the skies by a missile - like Russia did.
very interesting. between airfields, trains, and oil infrastructure, Russia is a target rich environment.
Nah, he was just happy to go home and not have to work...
As for the explosions, it wouldn't be much different than some of CSX's engines that don't get maintained.
А какую целевую среду представляет страна -паразит США?
Looks like the russians did not train for this
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The motive for that joke was loco.
It looks like you don't understand who you are messing with
A new train of thought?
An interesting development. As always, you're my first source of news - thank you!
That would be Tomsky wouldn't it?
Tomsky Tomskovich.
The name rang a bell. Mikhail Pavlovich Tomsky, old Bolshevik. Ran afoul of Stalin, shot himself (accounts may differ) in 1936. Unknown if he reincarnated as a tank engine or some other form of rolling stock.
the soft spots of locomotives are inside the driver's cab and the fuel tank. the fuel tank is slung below the chassis between the 3 sets of wheels. it might have up to 10,000 litres, depending on the model of locomotive. a direct hit on the fuel tank really will destroy all parts of the locomotive. i dont think the drone operators were well advised on the best place to hit locomotives.
oops, spelling mistake. i meant 2 sets of wheels, not 3.
The cab is much easier to repair than any of: the traction motors, fuel tank, and radiators.
The drone operators were well-informed. That locomotive must be moved to a heavy repair facility where it will be for a good while.
Plus - war crime to target the cab when you know there is a civilian engineer in the cab; and there are other means to disable the locomotive.
@@sindjinslade67 , the cab of most locomotives has a lot of electrical equipment in it. a bad fire in the cab may render it not worth repairing. hitting the fuel tank will cause an intense fire that will destroy all parts of the locomotive, including damaging even the chassis plate and the rail tracks beneath. if the loco is pulling a train loaded with materials of war then its no war crime to blow it up. i agree the locomotive will not be working for while but all damage will be mere flesh wounds. a wasted opportunity.
@@vsvnrg3263what about the engine parts. I bet they aimed exactly in this spot.
@@user-qi2gq6ef3w , hitting the fuel tank means you dont have to deliver as much explosives. check out the internal layout of locomotives. they hit the wrong places.
And so begins the birth of the Turtle train
Armored trains have a long and ponderous history
I'm not sure why they don't do this more often to the trains that are near the border. A ton of their military equipment and troops are moved by rail. They only have a certain amount of engines in a given area. News ones have to be brought in from further away and wherever they are pulled from will be working with less engines. Do this enough and it will start to seriously slow down transport.
Planting AT mines by drones, to be triggered by train running over it. Trains velocity will do the damage.
Plus it would slow down whatever else is moving on the rails, and slow down the economy....why weren't they doing this sooner?
@@agnelomascarenhas8990 that will make a fun video
One for the algorithm.
Nice to see the rusty logistics being stopped in its tracks. _Pun intended!_
Thanks for the vid and an unusual one too.
The electric motors are in the bogies (sets of wheels) and the fuel tanks are probably under the chassis, too. I presume that the places the drones chose to hit were the generator which converts Diesel power to electricity and the switchgear which converts that to the correct voltage and then controls the application of power. (I assume it's a Diesel-electric locomotive and it certainly looks like one.)
The Soviets did buy and study a British prototype Diesel-hydraulic locomotive at one stage, which is very odd because the only such locomotives ever to see serial production for British Rail (Western Region) were based on a German Maybach design! I think if the drones had hit hit a Diesel-electric transmission in the guts, we'd be seeing a nice smokey hydraulic oil fire.
The areas targeted appeared to be the diesel engine in the mid-body, possibly the fuel tank immediately under the solebar, and the cooling system in the nose section. It's enough to disable the locomotive pretty thoroughly, I think. The electric components would be a more difficult target, not least because they are smaller, but also because disabling just one traction motor still leaves the locomotive useful (failed motors can be switched out).
You might be thinking of HS4000 Kestrel. This was in fact a diesel-electric design, notable for its early use of a main alternator (to absorb the very high power output of its large diesel engine) instead of a main generator as was then usual in UK practice. Study of this design probably influenced the design of the later and more powerful types of Soviet locomotive, starting with TEP70 which can be considered a direct analogue.
@@Kromaatikse When matthewspencer972 referred to the British Rail diesel hydraulic locomotives he was referring to the likes of Class 52, which were indeed based on a German Maybach design. There were also Classes 42 and 43, although I'm not sure if these were also based on the Maybach design.
This one’s a more recent diesel-electric. Looks like a TEM18DM with Russian Railways paint scheme.
@@heraklesnothercules. I know about these UK types. I'm saying that it wasn't a diesel-hydraulic that the Soviets bought an example of. It is, however, well-known that they bought Kestrel.
@@Kromaatikse Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying.
Yes, I know about Kestrel. The Soviets finally removed the engine (and probably the electrical equipment) and then scrapped the bodywork. I don't know what happened to the engine.
Trains, bridges, power plants, pipelines and pumping stations, airports, water treatment facilities etc all support Russia's military and are, therefore legitimate targets anywhere if the country. 'Weapons free', Ukraine.
Логика террористов. Они тоже считали что башни близнецы поддерживают войну против них. И направили самолеты в них. Усама бен Ладен тоже так думал.
@@kotnapromkeboo-hoo 😭
@@kotnapromke Orc
So you're allowing Russia to destroy all the same things? Or would you call it a terrorist attack?
@@unoriginalname4321he's kinda right. Civilian infrastructure should not be targeted. Water treatment plants, power plants etc are not a military targets.
Army can advance without them but civilians can't live without them.
Army have diesel generators and their own supplies.
It's literally what ruzzia did to Ukraine in winter 2023. They targeted power plants just to leave Ukrainians without electricity in a cold winter.
Oil refineries, military bases, ammo depots, locomotives and so on are valid targets and Russia will suffer more from destroying it.
Pardon me boy, is this the Chatanooga choo choo?
This train's got the disappearing railroad blues.
Maybe Casey Jones could say.
Tomyz the Tankie Engine
I wouldn't say it has taken it quite well. You are comparing it to a tank or APC with ammo in it that will burn/cook off. This loco will be unarmored and that liquid jet of copper would have caused some serious damage well into the internals of that engine.
The engineer thought his coworker backfired 💥
Ivan the Tank Engine was out of luck and out of tanks.
After discharge from the Navy, sergei got a job with the railways.
didn't quit smoking though.
As a former locomotive maintenance electrician I am intimately familiar with the wiring of the cab of a great many locomotives, it is simple in comparison to the inverter cabinets.
And as a maintenance planner/foreman I can tell you cab repairs are simple compared to the resources, equipment, specialized skills, and time it will take to deal with a ruptured tank, and or traction motor housing.
But go on… 😂
The fat controller won’t be happy about this 😂
Wondered why locomotives weren't prioritized over rail lines and bridges, and scubby doo vans. Nice report. Thanks. Slava Ukraini.
I think the idea is that, due to Russian/Soviet doctrine resulting in Russian units having only half the supply vehicles of equivalent NATO units, the weakest link in Russian logistics is not locomotives, but "last mile" delivery vehicles moving supplies from the rails to the front-line.
While locomotives are a good target, Russia has lots of them. You're not really going to cause much more than minor inconvenience in striking them (in the intermediate term, anyway). The trucks, however, are already in such short supply that the Scooby-Doo vans were pressed into service as an ad-hoc replacement, a strategy with which anyone who's compared the cargo capacities of a VW bus v. a 5-ton transport can see the problem.
As for bridges, that's easy; strike a locomotive, and you're waiting hours, maybe days, for the replacement. Strike a bridge properly, and it's out for months or years. Look at the Kerch bridge, and the fact that its rail-line still has a limited weight capacity due to Ukrainian operations, thus requiring the use of vulnerable and very-limited Ropuchas and other landing-craft as makeshift transports.
Once UA gets better at it, locos make excellent high value targets! RU runs on rails but rails are easy to repair or replace. Locos are not easy to repair or replace, think "tank[s]" level hard. =) This is some great thinking by someone, I reckon watch this space. 💛⚓💙
Thank you, Sir! I appreciate your videos.
its just me or they tried to avoid hitting the cab because someone was in there? Thats the most important area, all main electrical componets and controls are located there. Those drones hit the engine block and radiator areas.
How can Russia still try to open new fronts when they lack supplies in the current fronts?
Who needs supplies when you have 0rcserfs?
They are looking for ways to regain initiative by stretching Ukrainian forces out. Unfortunately for Russia they don't seem to be having much success in doing so
On american diesel electrics, isn't the toilet in the very front? I think they nailed the outhouse.
russian trains have a hole in the floor. Makes the passengers feel at home
@@0nFoot I thought they'd bag it to take home
@@0nFootBritish trains used to drop excrement onto the tracks. I don’t know if they still do.
@@StillAliveAndKicking_
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🎼Passengers will please refrain,
From flushing toilets while the train,
Is standing in the station for a while.
We encourage constipation,
While the train is in the station,
Cross your legs and grit your teeth and smile.
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ Amtrak did the same thing in the US. There was a Big Stink about it. (har har)
OH NO ! NOT THOMAS 🤦♂️
Don't worry, that looks a lot more like Diesel 199. And no-one on Sodor liked him....
Thanks dino guy any news on Crimea
Thank you for another excellent video!
Putin: that's not fair they are attacking the Motherland
Let's get the terminology straight - it's "terrorism" when the nation they attacked attacks them back, but just a special operation when they attack other nations. Sounds like Vodka Derangement Syndrome.
My concern is the care of the Driver and whether or not he managed to go home and eat with his family that evening.
Gonna need to become a Thomas the TurtleTank Engine.
Ахахах! Сломали маневровый локомотив, который работает в пределах станции и обсуждают, что логистика России нарушена.
If that was a shaped charge the engine is done as it will burn a hole right threw it and while it won’t explode engines with holes don’t work too well
Giving the Russian Fat Controller a few headaches
Looks like Putin will get his buffer zone, but it also being several km into Russia
In Russia, it's _Bald Controller._ :)
It didn't 'brew up' in a satisfying way, like a tank, but the nature of HEAT munitions means that if they hit the engine, it's a write off. The only problem with this approach is that I bet that Russia has more locomotives than tanks.
Drones are cheaper than locomotives, and faster to produce. The numbers are not in Russia's favor for this type of struggle.
They might have more locomotives than tanks, but they certainly do not have the mothballed stockpiles of spare locomotives spread all across Russia.
Open your eyes, fake master. That's not train. That's servicing locomotive for technical support and repairment. It just moves wagons around train stations and depots. Sometimes they travel for repairment on railways.
Shunter(switcher) loco. Yes it can pull lightee trains.
I would assume train parts factories and repair depos could be among the first to switch to military production and servicing military equipment which could make it tricky later on. That said the stock is probably quite considerable for now, and there is always China.
Let me think about destroying a locomotive:
- I would probably use hollow charge ammunition. Generators and engines in that size bracket will likely only take superficial damage from shrapnel and high explosives. But if you can put a deep hole into them, a lot of important parts will be damaged.
- the housing will possibly act a bit like a accidental cope cage/spaced armor. But I don't think they are designed to offer much spacing, so it likely will still go through
There's too much steel in a loco for it to show external damage. The second blast hit low and blew the access panels open. I'd guess that could have destroyed the drive and probably destroyed the engine/generator. If that's the train I think it is, the company that builds them is located in Kharkiv. Do you think that could make spare parts difficult to source?
thats a locomotive. Train consists of locomotive and cars.. Just sayn. Slava UA! :)
Cars are for driving on the road. Train consists of locomotive and carriages / wagons... just saying, lol!
@@divgradcurl9439 I think train car is correct in American or Canadian English.
@@lukegray2835 He he... yes I know it is, I am only messing around with language!
That’s what my friends at Union Pacific tell me. Visit the UP Steam Shop in Cheyenne, WY if you get a chance. Home of the UP 4014 Big Boy steam locomotive and UP 844 steam locomotive. They occasionally give tours but not in summer.
It would be interesting to get a locomotive expert opinion on the question. I suspect that simple explosives, grenades or C4, would cause superficial damage that could be repaired easily enough. But I suspect that anti-tank weapons like RPG warheads could do some serious/permanent damage. Punch holes in the block of diesel engine or through generator coils.
Engine block.
Each set of trucks has giant generators between the wheels. The generators are fairly well protected by the wheels.
With that said, if it’s diesel electric which this one looks like, its fuel capacity is about 5000 gallons with 2500 on each side completely exposed.
@@taxesdeathandtrouble.1886 not generators but motors between the wheels. And yes, the tanks are the best targets, located between the 2 sets of 3 wheels each
I stand corrected.
This looks like a switcher, but no less important.
🌟 Russia getting even more offended! 🌟
Oh dear, how sad, never mind.
This needs to continue.
This was the newest locomotive in that area, too. It was made in 1968. In Ukraine.
What is interesting is that it is a diesel engine and there is no sign of electrification on that line. The way to take the engine out is to hit the belly tank. It looks like it might be a 5000 L one.
Даже тут побираются)))
Перемога😂😂😂паравоз замочили😂😂😂
13km with an FPV drone is faaaaar. I bet they are using 1 drone super high to help act as a signal extender and then sending out explosive ones when they've found a target.
"Pop goes the Diesel"... anyone?
pop goes the diesel, goes the diesel, goes pop!
I would contact a locomotive engineer at Union Pacific to understand its most vulnerable areas. The yard at North Platte, Nebraska would have ideas.
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The travelling FPV coming to ………… [Throw a dice]
Tracks can be fixed quickly, engines not so much.
Thomas the tank engine is such a cherished childhood memory for me.
Technically, this is incorrect, a Train is a locomotive plus consist, this has no consist, ergo, it is not a train. it is a Locomotive, or Engine, or being super technical, Motive Power.
Can't have sh!t in Russia
Saw Thomas, on the Skunk Line. Ringo wasn't there.
And it starts, the train network getting dematerialized is the visualization the fall of Russian logistics.
Comrade locomotive…..
Surely they are getting some advice where the best hit would be..
As some of those components aren't so easily replaced. Especially the older they get.
Right behind the cab between the engine and cab of the crew compartment is where all the electrical components and dynamic grid is located. The dynamo or generator is located there as well. Could be a real way of ensuring they won't be reusing it again for a long time if ever.
A shape charge through the engine block of that train means its got to swap the entire engine.
Should have gone for the cab. Difficult to drive when the controls are shredded, takes skilled time to repair too.
Its a diesel train ЧМЭЗ, very far descendant reverse-engineered ALCO RSD-1 😇
RU logistics are in serious shite, metink.
Хочу понять смысл этих действий. Потрачено три дрона, многотонный локомотив как стоял на рельсах, так и стоит. Даже если он приведëн в негодность, убрать его с пути не составит труда.
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I want to understand the meaning of these actions. Three drones were spent, the multi-ton locomotive was still standing on the rails. Even if it is rendered unusable, it will not be difficult to remove it from the path.
Ремонт будет, но не факт, что сделают по людски. Составы тягать уже не будет, а если будет,то может заглохнуть в каких нибудь ебе...ях и еб..сь потом с ним.
А за дроны не переживай - ещё купим.
@@isenbull2242Покупальщики хреновы. Вы только попрошайничать можете. Да и то в кредит на поколения вперёд.
@isenbull2242 купим? А у вас есть деньги? Сотни миллиардов долгов, а он "покупать" сбрался😂 Ещё насосешь у запада?🤣
Великая свинопобеда!
I'm thinking of that scene from Major Payne, about the Little Engine that Could 😂 "Pete....... i caint feel my leeeeeegs!"
Tomas the tank was born from my home town area 😅😅..true.
Best thing would be to go for switches, signalling or line side electrical cabinets, signal towers etc..
Probably. This attack was essentially pointless. Are there no military targets in Ukraine?
It’s a locomotive not a train.
trains tougher than a t72
Normally when a drone feed distorts towards the end, I've attributed that to ewars interference. Does that mean Russia is equipping some of its locomotives with ewars? I guess it makes sense they might be as expensive as tanks.
Often it will be ground interference with line of sight getting worse as they drop in on the target
Long time ago.. someone in "Uralvagonzavod" switched production material stocks for T-tanks and locomotives .. 🤷
Aimed at the wrong part. The fuel tank is between the bogies (ie in the middle between the wheels).
That locomotive (loco) is now very likely a right-off. They are not designed to withstand explosives being detonated into them. Hence the damages likely to be substantial. By the way, earlier on in the month on another video I wrote: “Has Ukraine considered using drones to attack railway locomotives and fuel tankers being hauled by them?” “A fuel tanker wagon getting hit while on a moving train would create a right mess for the authorities to clear up.” “Hitting locos on a moving train would block that line until a rescue loco could be found.” “And although there will be a lot of locos, damaging or destroying them will use up resources.” “Over time this combination of blocked lines and taking locos out of service will have a significant effect.” “The other railway targets are any railway bridges, either over bridges or under bridges.” “These take a lot longer to repair/replace than plain railway line.”
When the drones are equiped with RPG-7 heads with the typical anti-tank hollow charges and the aim would be taken at the engine block the hollow charge can easily go through the engine block and wreck it beyong repair.
I foresee a coming shortage of Engineers
Es pese a ser un acto violento, un gran vídeo de cómo las Fuerzas Armadas Ucranianas están poco a poco recuperando la iniciativa que le puede llevar a recuperar su País, y devolver la ilusión y la libertad a Su Gran y Orgulloso Pueblo.
Gracias por compartir su trabajo
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If those drones were armed with shaped charges (which they probably did), that train be pretty screwed.
I’m not an expert on TEM designs, though from the schematics online I would agree. However, the TEM18 design is at least 2-3 decades newer and incorporates digital and even microprocessor control circuits. I would imagine it has improved inverter stacks as well.
It is a shunt (switcher) so it would not have a very impressive power rating by design as it doesn’t need that much power to do its’ job.
This looks a lot larger than a switch engine.
I thought the same at first. When I saw six axles I expected it to be a freight locomotive, like an EMD SD40 or the like.
Not to mention, it is much longer than, and has poorer visibility toward the long hood than something like an EMD SW1500.
Yet the TEM18DM only generates 1200HP, so the SW1500 switcher is more powerful.
More so, it is consistently referred to as a shunter on technical sites.
Perhaps it was originally conceived as a general purpose or light freight locomotive that is consistently relegated to switching in current times; or a standard carriage with a lower power engine option for switching?
This happened 10+ days ago..
Why the delay?
Pretty hard to damage a locomotive significantly. Unless you hit the cab.
A diesel-electric locomotive would be a very hard nut to crack. The best hope might be if it was running at idle and unattended, to take out the cooling system, the turbocharger oil supply, an oil cooler to void oil and coolant so the engine can destroy itself or break some injector lines in the hope of setting things alight. Parked and silent, to the locomotive, FPV drones might be little more than a nuisance. Those strikes indicate awareness of this. They may have been separated to create as much dispersed inconvenient damage as possible.
The drone operator was a train spotter