The Fast Lane Car , saying that the Taycan can charge to a certain state of charge more quickly without factoring in the fact that the Taycan has no where near the range of the Model S is misleading at best.
Comparing to the model 3 it be around the same (depending of charging curve speed). Of course the model S and X will be slower to obvious reasons in charging speed difference. But in 2020/2021 tesla will probably do a massive upgrade along side the plaid power train and chassis to model S and X with the roadster releasing around then. With a major improvement in charging speed and leave Porsche in the dust
@@TFLcar Can you get in touch with Tesla and maybe have a preview of the Plaid Mode they are working on? Alex sounds like the perfect person to explain all the details loud and clear for us.
@ChargedUpEV and how is the 800 volts chargers infrastructure around the US? Not very well so you are more likely to run out of charge and be stranded. In Europe the only place you can charge the Taycan is at the Porsche dealership. Not good. A stranded dead Taycan with no battery charge is just a piece of expensive metal.
It's been deemed important not to send mixed signals since, the rear turn signal means the same thing as a brake signal to the driver following. Amber is the 'Caution' color in America so it's only allowed as front signals and front side marker lights.
Marcus Pereira Is there a video describing his channel move? Seem so stupid to car about details of a random car reviewer guys life, but I liked his detailed car reviews and I also like some of TFL videos, so i’m just confused if this was a temporary cross-advertising collaboration or a full-time move? Is he part owner of that channel now? Did he sell is other channel? Why waste those subs, why not cross-post or at least make a less professional vlog version of the channel with more casual car talk and intermittent car reviews.
Clearly this car must be compared to Tesla for viewing purposes , but Tesla has nothing to worry about , tesla is an electric car brand with multiple electric vehicles that have perfected over years of trial and error , the taycan is one car that not everyone can afford , tesla is not worried not matter how fast the taycan is
And you think the Taycan will be the only fast EV car entering the market soon? Search for Audi E-tron GT, Mercedes EQS or some normal models like Audi Etron, Mercedes EQC, BMW iX3, Jaguar i PAce, etc
Tesla has nothin to worry about? Calm down fan boy. The big advantage porsche and the other e.v. makers have are established dealer networks that will provide local sales, financing and service.
Two wonderful cars with different design philosophies. One wants to be driven and was built around the driver. The other wants to be autonomous and was built around the future.
@@nathanfredell8365 that is ticking everything. Stop being a Tesla fanboy. Tesla had its time in the sun when no one cared about EVs but now the real car makers are coming. Car makers that don't have huge panel gaps and shoddy quality. There is a new sheriff in town.
@@epicscoreCS2 the Taycan Turbo is 150k which isn't double. Secondly the Taycan isn't slower. The Tesla can only do its trick if they spend ages warming up the battery and provided the battery is 95% charged. In everyday driving the Tesla won't be able to access the ludicrous mode whereas the Porsche is ready to go at whatever charge level and without extensive warmup. The Porsche did 30 hard launches in a row at the hands of journalists. How many could the Tesla do before going into limp mode? As Porsche engineer's said the Tesla is a gimmick whereas their car is a serious performance machine.
No charging network, no autopilot or OTA updates. Inferior acceleration, range and motors and much more expensive. Tesla has nothing to be worried about - but good to see other automakers going for it.
@@edipires15 enjoy "driving" it in bumper to bumper traffic. Unless have have enough money to make this car a weekender this is a terrible daily driver not to mention inferior to the model S in every way in specs. Just wait for the roadster.
The Taycan is a beautiful car. I would expect no less from Porsche. It's performance is also quite impressive (even if that turbo never spools up). But Tesla has nothing to worry about. The attention being paid to EV's is good for Tesla. Porsche also won't/can't produce the Taycan in any numbers significant enough to impact Tesla. I'm loving the Nurburgring rivalry. This is exactly what is needed to wake up the masses to the future of automobiles.
Porsche has 10 times the resources and 30 times better engineers so probably they will catch up really soon, but there's market for both, tesla has a model 3, I don't see Porsche building a cheap EV
Taycan production capacities can be doubled in very short time. Of course it's not a mass produced cheaper car, but Porsche will make a lot of these EVs in a short time in its new facility in Zuffenhausen. I would say, as Porsches first EV with a completely new production philosophy behind it, its quite good. You should also think about the fact, that Porsche always underrates its numbers massively... When Porsche claims 2.8 seconds from 0-100 kmh or 0-62 mph, this is always a number for the "worst case" scenario under the most disadvantageously conditions and without launch control! With its activated launch control it will be much faster of course, which means that 0-60 mph will be quite below 2.5 seconds. Combined with superior Porsche driving dynamics for this car, Tesla should be very worried, because people get a much better car with the Taycan! And the two base versions of the Taycan, which aren't out yet, will make this for even less money. The Porsche is a 4 seater sports car, whereas the Tesla Model S is just a very heavy, almost 2.5 ton heavy sedan.
I understand but I'm referring about mass production, Porsche will buy couple of hundreds of acres and build the biggest and most advanced EV factory on earth
Tesla has a lot to worry about. Remember that Porsche is owned by Volkswagen and whatever ends up in a Porsche today will end up in a Volkswagen tomorrow, thats always been the case. So one of the worlds largest car manufacturers banking on all electric vehicles definately will scare Tesla.
@n s Porsche's around here are literally everywhere. There is nothing exclusive anymore about a Porsche, as there are Panamera's, Cayenne's and Macan's on every corner now and the 911's are even pretty common now. I know a guy that owned several cars, including a Porsche and a Maserati. He said no one ever noticed anything or even blinked when they saw his Porsche, but people kept asking him about his Maserati. The average Joe will just think the Taycan is a the newest Panamera and no one will notice them...
@n s Not around here. A Porsche around here gets about as much attention as a Honda Accord. No one even blinks when you see one as they are literally everywhere.
@@raymundhofmann7661 It's a pretty good first effort, they came close to Tesla's current tech, just as Tesla move into the next gen tech. Still a bit of catching up to do for the 'Tesla Killers'. it's great they're getting serious.
@@raymundhofmann7661 range, bms, autopilot, charging infrastructure, ev experience, outright performance, ev model line up. I could go on. The main area where porsches excellent history of engineering shows is the fit and finish of teslas still needs to improve to match euros (allthough its not bad anymore, just average).
Its not Porsche - it is a joint venture from a number of vendors, which makes sense for fast growth and coverage, vital to the success of EV´s: "Current members include BMW Group, Daimler, Ford, Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche. It was announced on September 9 2019 that Hyundai Motor group would bring Hyundai and Kia brands on board as strategic partners."
I'd be worried about a car that: costs 50% more, is slower, seats 3 less, gets significantly less range, has no free fast charging network, will nickel and dime you on options, and imo is a little ugly up front now that I see it in this video.
There is no californian model that does 0-124 in 9,8sec... The top-of-the-californian-line p100d takes 10,8 for this sprint. I agree about the price: Porsches are not cheap!
@@daguzify that is up to how you see it the only Tesla that has got the slightest Chance to compete is the p100d - that was not released in 2012. Right now on the racetrack Porsche Taycan beats anything out there from Tesla. IF tesla really updates ist top-of-the-line drivetrain, it might compete against the Taycan - but you can put it this way: it will not compete against the gt2rs and it will not compete against the 918 Spyder Weissach, and THAT has been out for many years ...
The Golden Corral method of evaluating luxury cars is simplistic at best. Do you really believe a person buying a Porsche is pinching pennies and worrying about free charging? Porsche has been successfully (i.e profitably) selling premium vehicles long before Tesla came around and it appears they will continue to do so. Brands and lineage matter to most who buy Porsche's and McLaren vehicles and I think you are not looking at this car from the perspective of a premium car owner (i.e. $150K+) where this is one of many cars they own.
@@Cal3000 I guess that depends on what you define as "performance." As a system, which has to include charging infrastructure, Porsche is, and will remain, far behind Tesla for the foreseeable future (the video title is rather silly), and yet most Porsche ICE cars in the same price class stand little chance of trumping it much in practical (non-track) acceleration and handling capabilities. I'm not a fan of Tesla's business model, but everyone else in this category is going to be playing catch-up for quite awhile.
@@Cal3000 If it's competing with Tesla, then it's not doing it very well. It's cool that it has repeatable performance and a luxurious interior with 5 screens, but it lacks in specs you would use every day, not just on the track and it's WAY more expensive. The Plaid Model S will absolutely eat this for lunch while still being cheaper.
Lol You really are living in bubble other there. Porsche is under VW, world biggest car manufacturer. Infrastructure won t be an issuefor Porsche. VW owns Electrify America. And supercharg structure will increase at a very high rates. Here in Europe Ionity is building supercharg stations across the continent. And you will realise how well build this Taycan when you are driving 200km on autuban without any vibration and the stability of car. People don t understand that only seeing the price range. This car is well build. Can t said about a Tesla
Glad Tesla is getting some true competition, but here are many Tesla Model S advantages: 1. Dedicated Supercharger network 2. Almost 20 years of EV experience 3. Great range options 4. Faster to 60 5. Buying Maxwell Technologies, their next-gen battery tech will crush this even further 6. Costs much less, comparably equipped 7. Can seat 7 8. 2X more cargo space..... You get the point.
The Future Is Here Enhanced summon and autopilot. Even the Model 3 can now navigate the parking lot to come to it’s owner. And Teslas have their own theater mode with Netflix and RUclips.
Disadvantage its looks like a shoe Its american not German or Italian or British The interior is depressing and basic for a 90-100k car Build quality is crap, as proven by many non biased you tubers. The battery is effected dramatically by weather and climate Windnoise Gas is cheap why not just buy an ICE car.
You forgot that you can't take your Tesla to the track because it will burn even the experience you mentioned but German electric cars are more reliable
It's a beautiful looking car. But I don't get why it should bother Tesla, except as a possible indicator of things to come from VW. The market for this car is obviously limited to those with a fat bank account and a certain need for speed - and/or status. I'd think it would worry Merc and BMW. IF I can afford this, do I want an M8? But as far as Tesla, you can easily option the Taycan past the $200K mark. That's 5 Model 3s.
faster around a track or a mountain road than the current iteration of tesla, but not the Plaid version to come out next year. For those who want maximum track performance right now, the Taycan Turbo S is their choice (if they want all-electric. lol)
Keon R. You kidding right? Porsche is well known for electrical issues. Tesla info. system is most reliable, the probs are the motorized electric door handles and falcon wings rest pretty reliable.
Only a Tesla fan would give a shit about something like this. Difference is, this has a way more sporty look about it, than having a giant ipad stuffed in the middle of the dash. This is why Tesla fans aren’t car people.
@@megawatts Are you kidding? Tesla is extremely unreliable, they don't even use automotive-grade screens, that's why they break all the time: www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters
So I can spend $80-100k more than a Model S Performance to get slower 0-60, range that can't beat a 2012 Tesla, and half the cargo space? Are you joking about Tesla being worried? Sounds like Porsche is going to steal sales from themselves. Having Alex on this channel makes it 100x better! No Tesla misinformation and crashing into buildings. Good job with another thorough video Alex!
Pekirt79 but the Porsche is faster around a track, doesnt overheat, the interior quality is 10 times better than a tesla and it takes 25 minutes to recharge 80%
At 3:13 - "The rear spoiler is electrically activated..." It would be really cool if it had a tiny gasoline powered engine that made the spoiler go up and down.
The good: it's a beautiful car with the usual Porsche styling and quality. Porsche paid a lot of attention to thermal management, with the result that the Taycan can sustain high track speeds without much in the way of power drop-outs, which is something the Model S struggles with. (Tesla is working on a 'Plaid' option that will fix power drop-outs at sustained high speeds.) The Taycan handles the way you expect a Porsche to handle - nimble, quick. The Taycan is better than most ICEV sports cars in every way. It'll sell, even at those high price points, and why shouldn't it? It's a great car. The bad: Porsche didn't design the drive train; they obtained it from a supplier in Croatia. That two speed transmission is lossy; it's a major reason for the Taycan's merely adequate range, which is handily beaten by the Model S. The superior efficiency of one-speed motors is part of the reason Tesla opted to stick with it and refine it. Even with the 2-speed transmission, the Taycan comes up slightly short against the Model S in acceleration and top speed; that fact, along with outsourcing the drive train, is a sign that Porsche isn't yet a master of electric drive train design. The regenerative braking system isn't linked to the accelerator pedal, as it is with Tesla's BEVs, so decelerating by lifting the pedal doesn't regen any energy into the battery - another range reduction. The Taycan has half the cargo capacity in a car sized similarly to the Model S. Porsche doesn't do software updates over-the-air, as Tesla does - you have to take the car in for service to get the latest software. Porsche trails Tesla on driver assist software and navigation, though what they do have is not at all terrible. Tesla estimates that their current-gen battery packs should last for between a third to a half million miles. We've not yet heard from Porsche on the cycle life expected of its packs. All told, this is an amazing and excellent first foray into electric vehicles by Porsche. Their tech lags behind Tesla, but it does *not* lag ICEV tech; it exceeds it. Wealthy buyers who want to upgrade from their current sports car will be interested. And not everyone appreciates the minimalist interior design of a Tesla. Those who don't, and want a fast electric car that looks gorgeous, will be happy to jump into a Taycan. There should be more than enough demand for both manufacturers. There's a *lot* of ICEV demand to eat. But unlike ICEV tech, which has been plateaued for some years, BEV tech is advancing. Look for Porsche to work on the next-gen version of the Taycan; they will want to close the range and performance gap against the Model S. It's a moving target. Tesla isn't standing still.
You forgot to mention the supercharge network that taycan doesn't have. Also if i can buy a 911 and this, i would pick 911 anytime if i only want a fast car. Still it is a good thing.
@@maxtruong187 Heh. I didn't want to write a book, just a comment. I left out more than the Supercharger network - partly because there are things about the Taycan I don't yet know, partly because I was (uncharacteristically) striving for brevity. (And failing to achieve it, as usual.) There certainly will be people who still prefer an ICE sports car. Absolutely true. Those people probably won't be happy to meet a Taycan on a track, though, unless they have one of those $1 million + supercars. And even those might be at a disadvantage when Tesla's New Roadster gets produced, hopefully by 2021.
Agree. Surprised that nobody even mentions safety ratings. There may never be one for the Taycan, just like there isn't one that I am aware of for my 911 turbo. There are crash ratings for my Model S.
I disagree about the regenerative braking system. It's not linked, that is true, but it's a good tging. Porsche wanted to make a car that behaved "naturally", like an ICE car, so they had to link the system to achieve that goal. Moreover, there are more efficient EV than Tesla, and they have one thing in common : you can coast for miles and miles, and when you want to brake, THEN you regenerate your battery. The 1st and better way to save energy in an EV is to not use it, and that is why a Hyundai Kona EV has a great range with an only 64 kwh battery. So what you think is a bad thing in the Taycan is actually a strenght.
You know I've always felt TFL is biased against Tesla. Now, having read this title and watched this video, it is irrefutable. Jesus christ my Model 3 was 49k and is faster than, and has more range than, the Taycan turbo starting at 150,900. Is this a joke?
Alex, I’ve always watched your videos, but have a new found respect for you. The layers and layers of details involved in understanding this vehicle is mind boggling, and know why TFL got you to do this particular presentation. It requires a high level of intelligence to explain what you’ve explained, but then makes you appreciate the brilliance that it took Porsche to figure all this stuff out, and then develop it, and successfully manufacture it.
STC lmaoooo, a far reduction in performance from the tesla and doesn’t have a huge turbocharger network in the US. Basically no competition to Tesla, a luxury option for those who have their heads up their asses. But the future of EVs gets a huge boos either way.
People seem to forget the Porsche always releases their models Top down. Meaning the most expensive most powerful (highest profit margin) vehicles get released first, then after a year-year and a half they release the bottom range models. There will be sub-100k Taycans released in the not too distant future.
performance is more than numbers, what about steering feel? how flat the car is around corners? how the motors deliver the power? does the car tend to understeer or is it tail-happy. that's not even taking into consideration build quality, ive been in a bunch of teslas and there are def some build quality issues. all these tech guys getting into cars now cuz of tesla think its like comparing specs on a cell phone. this whole argument about performance stats and price is an old one for any true car guy. nissan GT-R had faster 0-60 than 911 when it first came out and significantly less price, same with corvette....but as far as reviewers were concerned 911 is still king and benchmark. tesla innovated like one thing, but porsche has had the car making process down for generations.
Mu'min InshaAllah Sorry but all of the things you mentioned including “build quality” are measurable by numbers. Durability of materials is measurable and the Tesla wins in this aspect, amount of failures and closeness of machining are measurable and while you are right the Tesla has a few issues in that regard the Porsche is completely unproven as many previous porsches have been bad just as many have been good. Steering mechanics can all be measured in numbers and the Tesla not only has better radial degrees of movement, it also has much more software that allows it to edit driving mechanics, so there might be different mechanics in each but definitely not “better” just because it is a porsche. Lastly performance while you are also correct that performance is not all HP. The teslas do better in almost every thing except coefficient of drag which they are still close considering the tesla is a 7 seater and the Porsche barely fits 4. Weight, Battery use efficiency, motor torque, back end to front end weight ratio, drag/aerodynamics, and the machines ability to control individual wheel speeds around corner are all reasons the Teslas can out track the Taycan. Physics tells us EVERYTHING about anecdotal sales terms like driving dynamics, steering feel, history on the track. Source- Physics professor friends and Engineer family background
@@EpicLemonMusic "Durability of materials is measurable and the Tesla wins in this aspect, amount of failures and closeness of machining are measurable and while you are right the Tesla has a few issues in that regard the Porsche is completely unproven as many previous porsches have been bad just as many have been good." - So tesla "wins" even though by your own admission "porsche is completely unproven." Porsche is one of the most, if not the most reliable luxury car manufacturers, that can be easily searched. I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit unless you can provide verifiable stats and numbers on "failures and closeness of machining." "Tesla not only has better radial degrees of movement, it also has much more software that allows it to edit driving mechanics, so there might be different mechanics in each but definitely not “better” just because it is a porsche." - Define a "radial degree of movement" and how can it be better or worse? Are you talking about steering ratio? Because for different circumstances, different ratios have their pros and cons. The fact that you are having a hard time processing the idea of subjectivity and its role in driving says to me you are not a car enthusiast but rather a text book enthusiast. "Lastly performance while you are also correct that performance is not all HP. The teslas do better in almost every thing except coefficient of drag which they are still close considering the tesla is a 7 seater and the Porsche barely fits 4. Weight, Battery use efficiency, motor torque, back end to front end weight ratio, drag/aerodynamics, and the machines ability to control individual wheel speeds around corner are all reasons the Teslas can out track the Taycan. Physics tells us EVERYTHING about anecdotal sales terms like driving dynamics, steering feel, history on the track." - Coefficient of drag is not a performance metric, it's a metric that may or may not have a perceivable/measurable net result in performance. Also you just said the Taycan does better in coefficient of drag and then said "drag/aerodynamics" is one of the reasons Tesla can out track the Taycan...so you're contradicting yourself. Physics would absolutely be able to tell us everything about the driving experience, theoretically. But the real world implementation of physics to have that complete an understanding of the driving experience just isn't done, whether due to practicality or lack of interest in pursuing such minutia. Which is why I call bullshit. If you aren't bullshitting to appease your tesla fanboyism, give me actual definitions and/or actual numbers for both cars on the following: radial degree of movement, closeness of machining, weight distribution, individual wheel speeds around corners. show me the numbers and site the sources. IF such data actually exists, I will bet the porsche will prove to have better build quality and driving dynamics.
Its funny how people use "Tesla" in their headline and titles to help get attention for the Taycan, otherwise it wouldn't get as much attention. Anywho, Tesla has nothing to worry about, its the gas powered super cars that should be "very worried". I would add that this car actually helps Tesla because it creates competition and more people will be interested in electric vehicles. Taycan looks like a great car, I hope its not a wet firecracker. Cheers to electric vehicles.
Star Man probably because they are both 4 door sedans. But you’re right with the Porsche price point it probably appeals to potential roadsters customers.
@@MrSpuzzz Exactly, the vast amount of Model S customers will never consider a flop like the taycan. Very few of the vital specs we're looking for in a sedan are found in a taycan. Then when we speak about the Roadster it's in a world of its own. Personally I think there is no comparison whatsoever. Only a few porche fan-boys are excited about the taycan and you know what I'm happy for them. The question still remain if they'll buy the overpriced car or not. Let's see who's right at the end of the day Mr S.
AlfaRomeoFan is the 2020 roadster not going to be mistaken for a super car? Actually I don’t know what makes a super car. Assumed it was price and speed and acceleration.
grtelli 2020 roadster not really a concept car. They’re taking reservations for it now, just like Porsche is. Not on the road yet (and Porsche’s are now just hitting the street).
TFL Car gets it wrong again. This channel's incompetence in the EV space is legendary. The Taycan doesn't cross shop the Model S. If anything, it will cannibalize other Porsches.
How do you even really have the nerve to say that Tesla should be worried about this thing. In reality it has nowhere near the battery life and it does not use tesla charging stations and there’s not enough tesla charging stations around as is ,and there’s more of them than any other electric car charging station, then there is the price of the car ,all you get is a name plate, and a Tesla model S will dust this thing!!! Will Porsche cut you a deal on the charging station and install it in your house and work it into the price of your car? I think not. all you get with this car is the name that’s it!!!
I'd kill for every screen to be customizable with anything. From GPS to stock charts to social networks. All voice controlled. We can't be that far away from this, talking to your car and it talking back was a matter of science fiction just 15 years ago.
And why is everyone comparing their cars to the Tesla Model S? It is because the Tesla Model S has set the Standard and so far no car has beaten the Model S standards for the buck. Wait til you see the Tesla Roadster!!!!
Isn't it because YT is full of marketing for Model S as a "sports car" with ludicrous drag performances? Well, people who want a BEV holding up to the sports car label now finally can have one. Who would wait for the promise of a Tesla Roadster when this is surely something Porsche might have also coming - they are a real sports car company, since ages - not only promising sports car performance and then overheating but delivering the real deal?
Taycan and Tesla Model S are about the same size but in a Tesla, you can fit up to 7 people with 5 people seating really comfortably. In Taycan, there are 2 comfortable seats at the front and the second row is more like 'economy' when it comes to comfort. Also worth noting, Tesla has a top-notch computer behind its massive screen. This is not the case with Porsche.
@@almac9203 There is a photo of the rear sitting situation here: www.teslarati.com/porsche-taycan-interior-space-comparison-tesla-model-s-tesla-model-3-video/ Oh, there is some computer inside. Perhaps something of the sort you find in a cheap unbranded tablet you can buy on amazon for £50. Please, provide specs if you have other information. Also, much less storage space. But don't get me wrong. I am happy that they've made it. It's a step in the right direction. The more evs are out there, the better for us all.
Well Porsche did their lap in prototype form as well.....It was a mule in black camo for a production vehicle. Tesla did their lap in prototype form as well.....It was a plaid mule for a future production vehicle. Catch my format?
@BTICronox The Model S in question was a prototype. Prototypes are meant to be pushed to failure so that production versions don't. The car was literally made to fail.
@BTICronox Secondary objective. Primary objective is prototype testing. We see that in the fact that Plaid Model S is also bring tested in the Mojave Desert and Laguna Seca as well as the Nurbugring.
@@bigggmustang73 "According to Zellmer, people still want value for money, but potential customers were already aware that the Taycan was going to be expensive before the price was made official. “They have now seen that and traffic in our dealerships suggests that it did not scare them away.'"
Here's Why Tesla Shouldn't Be Very Worried! The Taycan Turbo S cost double what a Model S P100D costs. They're not in the same market at all and the Model S STILL beats the Taycan in range, top speed, acceleration, autonomy and ultimately, popularity.
The Model S beats the Taycan on every metric, 0-60, range, power stations, top speed, cargo, seats 7, self driving computer at half the cost. Right?...
201 miles of range and Porsche has the nerve to charge $103,000. For $80k I could buy a Tesla model S performance + with 348 miles of range. You've got to be kidding me 🙈
Turbo S price is actually $185,000 (before options and, believe it or not, does not include the charging cable which Porsche has the nerve to charge an additional $1120)
Yeah, most people don't realize but when switching on two gearing the amount of mechanical impulse forces and electrical peak current tend to be enormous. So both electrical and mechanical components will wear out damn fast. I guess this car is not to drive often as a model S, should not be compared. They say it stands the heat that the track brings, but how many days until you have to do a complete refurbishment? let's wait for the consumers experience...
@@guisrtr5832 It seems that the Porsche's gearbox is simply better designed for EV use than the BorgWarner gearbox that Tesla was using in the Roadster. Heck, the Roadster wasn't even putting down that much power (maybe 200 kW), so there was no reason for how frequently the Roadster's gearbox broke.
@@newscoulomb3705 Yeah, I believe it's more strong and well designed. But I have to disagree that 200kW is not much for this application. The problem is that you have to jump from a big difference on gear ratios, or else the gear box would not help much on sustaining power at high speeds. The Tesla's motors spins with constant torque until 6000 rpm, even with 13000 rpm it still deliver a lot of power but it decreases after that. The gear ratio is constant at 9.71:1. So imagine you shifting to a lower one, at that similar ratio with that high rpm. It needs to be similar ratios or else you would punch too much on difference (the torque would change dramatically in zero time) Conclusion: If the gear makes a big difference it wears out fast. If it's conservative, don't make many difference. Just would increase a little of the torque/power available at slightly higher speed. I bet Porsche doesn't care of mechanical parts wearing out in a year or two, because the more they service their clients, the more money they get. It's they culture. And their clients didn't have much of a choice, until now. The solution is simple: 3 to 4 motors. Even at the electrical point of view makes sense (current is divided).
This isn't really quite the competitor that the title says. I think it's great that Porsche did this. However this car costs more than a Model S, has less range, has less storage, not available like the model s is. it can charge faster, but it doesn't have the Tesla super charger network that will soon be able to charge at 250kw. The Tesla superchargers are much more common in the U.S.
Lets not get too excited about the Taycan just yet. The more accurate and appropriate comparison would be against the upcoming Tesla Roadster 2.0. I get it that we won't actually see the Roadster 2.0 until sometime next year at the earliest and right now the Model S is perhaps the closest viable competitor to the Taycan. It's actually a huge endorsement for Tesla since the performance Model S, a true luxury sedan, starts at $105,000 while the Taycan is nearly twice as costly. Yet the Performance Model S beats it on nearly every metric in terms of performance. Beauty on the other hand is in the eye of the beholder and it could be argued that the Taycan may be more aesthetically pleasing to some and have a greater eye candy factor so there's that. But if we insist on comparing against the Model S let's see how the Taycan will stack up against the upcoming Model S Plaid version coming late next year. Will people still be taking about the Taycan next year? Maybe. But they will definitely be talking about and excited over Tesla's Model S Plaid and Roadster 2.0 and for good reasons. The reality is that Tesla, who has been making cars for about 10 years now, is and will continue to set the bar and the standard for what an EV should be and consequently is being chased by nearly all newcomers and decades old established legacy automakers like Porsche to take the crown. To that I would say competition is a wonderful thing and there's plenty of room and opportunity for all to compete and carve out their own niche which in the end adds to more choice and options for all of us.
Imagine that Porsche decided to build a 918 spider fully electrical, 918 is the super car and hyper car killer, the number 1 now, imagine fully EV with that package there's nothing that can beat the 918, roadster 2.0 well let's see how it goes
For some reason 911 are the cars that retain their value higher than any car in the market, I know the cayenne is not the best suv but still a great medium size suv, but tesla is a new company trying to survive. Used tesla are sitting around in the dealer picking up dust, nobody wants them. Once any tesla model pass tesla life expectancy they will not sell you parts to fix it, basically the car die in your hands, there's people buying crash tesla for parts, if you want to make money buy every tesla in auction and sell used parts, you will thank me later
@@АлексейКастевич what's the top speed of the model s and Taycan, I've believe that Taycan is about 40 mph faster at top speed, but this is just the beginning, wait a little more so Porsche bring back the turbo s fully dress, NOT FULLY STRIP
I dont understand this: Tesla - 60k..."Oh that is so expensive, it is just toy for rich, it never became relevant". Porsche-150k "Yaaay! Thats it. The Tesla killer, the EV revolution, the game changer, everybody gona buy it!". Can anyone explain?
For the love of all things on wheels, let's put rivalries aside and look at the price... 180K Model S Performance + 911 OR Daily a Model 3 Performance + Track a GT3. Base Taycan which will be easily 100k with options will actually be neither here nor there since it might be on par with Model 3 Performance numbers since a gap has to be created between the Turbo S and the base. I get the looks and exclusivity but 180k is a little hard to justify. All that said I am happy Porsche jumped in, the future is electric.
And why should Tesla be worried? Porsche has caught up with 2012 Tesla technology. Congrats. Meanwhile, the Roadster will be out next year as well as an updated Plaid S and X, all with mind warping specs. So what is Porsche response, an economy Taycan for the poor in the next 2-3yrs. Yes, Tesla should be worried.
@@yingnyang2889 Why don't you think Porsche are reliable? They are known for their reliability. An unreliable brand is McLaren. If I had to pick the more reliable brand between Porsche and Tesla I would choose Porsche with out a doubt. One thing I will give you is that Porches are typically expensive to repair.
The level of technology is simply overwhelming! That worries me because reliability may suffer a lot. Also, that car will be considerably much more expensive than a Tesla model S. I don’t think Elon will worry; they will do what they always do which is improve very quickly.
The Taycan has some nice features that Tesla doesn't have and I expect it will steal some sales from the Model S. However, the least expensive Taycan is about $20K more than the most expensive Model S. The only true competition is at the margins.
adjusting air vents on touch screens seems kinda cheap to me. i feel like with time the more tactile experiences of yesteryear will become more and more sought after
The whole screen instead of dials feels cheap to me. Some manufacturers used to have beautiful detailed handmade dials, now it's just another damn pretty background on a cellphone. Then imagine your speedo and tach going black because the screen shits out like the one in my mom's cx9 does constantly.
Yeah, most people don't realize but when switching on two gearing the amount of mechanical impulse forces and electrical peak current tend to be enormous. So both electrical and mechanical components will wear out damn fast. I guess this car is not to drive often as a model S, should not be compared. They say it stands the heat that the track brings, but how many days until you have to do a complete refurbishment? let's wait for the consumers experience...
I hate how all of these media outlets are trying to pit Porsche and Tesla against each other. The Taycan and Model S have completely different goals - not to mention that the former is nearly twice as expensive as the latter. The comparison is like saying a Camry is competition for a Mercedes S-Class because they both run on gasoline.
It's only this year that Tesla have massively reduced the model s/x prices. You'd pay 130k for a trsla PD model just a year ago. That isn't that far off the taycan and at those sort of prices, there is a lot of elasticity. More so if the buyers are driven to want the brand image, and have the newest thing in the block.
Because it costs a sh!t tonne more? If you compare it to model S it has no chance apart from turning going to be better and smaller size. If comparing to model 3 the top spec of each.. one cost 1/3 of the other with still amazing specs
I'm hearing some whining about price, when the Model S and 3 are no more truly affordable to your average Joe than the Taycan. It costs more because ACTUAL engineers did what Tesla couldn't do...even with software. That's the difference between a so-called 'disruptive' company and a REAL one that has nothing to prove...but does so anyway.
It is a hell lott heavyer as well they have fitted big ass batterys then locked them at like 75% use to be abeal to drive faster insted of longer + a heavy gear box thats fairly low quality, porsche makes the most money when stufg breaks so..ye
Friendly reminder porsche spent money equal to what teasla spent to develop all it's S 3 X models etc on just making this car lver 6 billion, thats why they from start had a price at about 128k and then changed it to 150k..
@@epicscoreCS2 You might want to check that...GVWR for the Taycan us 5200lbs, Model S 5800lbs. Also, Taycan has a higher top speed and better handling characteristics in even the BASE version, than Raven OR Franken S/3 'plaid.' Not to mention an actual adaptive regenerative system that works WITH the brakes, and not INSTEAD of them. Where the S loses regen due to either temp extremes or too much use, the Taycan doesn't. And it can be caned without overheating...something the S and 3 can't do without special track-only tires and wheels and an extra coolant loop running. And the Taycan is a production road car, not a track day variant.
Audi will make a version of the Taycan tech in the E-Tron GT model. I hope Audi aims for Grand Touring rather than the race car specs of the Taycan Turbo S, to keep price reasonable.
Oliver Wunsch its not even at par with Tesla, only probably thing better than Tesla is fit & finish, and that too i am not sure of, becoz recent Tesla’s has great fit & finish....
@@3107karan Fit and finish, better quality control, service network, all things an established automaker can do an upstart cannot. And they all matter in consumer satisfaction.
Irrelevant. It's a Porsche. If everything was predicated on price, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Roll-Royce etc would not exist, but as it stands they all make fantastic profits. Unlike Tesla which only makes fantastic losses.
Most of Tesla buyers spend around 50k for their car with more range and better charging network....this beautiful high performance Taycan starting from 150k and only has 230 miles rangr. Why should Tesla be worried?
800 Volt architecture is pretty significant. That's the reason Tesla just sent a prototype to the Ring with 3 motors, active aero, custom suspension, wheels, brakes... and it still broke down. Tesla has to move to an all-new electrical architecture to match performance.
Model S has 100mi more per charge, faster 0-60, seat 5+2, double storage space, lift back, autopilot, superchargers and cost 100k less. One big screen is better than one little screen imo. Taycan is a nice car and a panamera kill rather than a Tesla killer
You never said why Tesla should be "very worried". Honestly, as a Tesla owner, the only thing this car has that I would want is the much stronger regen, though I would prefer it to be all on the "go" pedal and leave the brake pedal for friction braking. I don't want adjustable regen - I want max regen, all the time, and I'll adjust it myself with how much throttle lift-off I do, just like now. In fact, every EV driver I know uses max regen, so I think this adjustable regen fad (especially on the paddles. wtf?) is going to disappear in a couple years. Anyway- I would say that the Taycan looks like a great choice, but I think it's too expensive for what you get. They're charging Tesla Roadster prices for Tesla model 3 performance. Sorry, not impressed. My car buying dollars are still heading Tesla's way.
Tesla is nothing more than a customer deposit-churning Ponzi scheme and their days are numbered. The Roadster announcement was nothing more than their attempt to have enough cash to live for another few months.
@@ColinFox Some people give to the church for their whole life and think nothing about it and others simply buy Teslas. I'm a big fan of the underlying tech and how they grew their Supercharger network but that's about it. Elon has simply flown too close to the sun and a lot of that has to do with his rabid fan base. A proper humbling is in order.
Only 1% of Taycans will See the track...same as all other Porsches. Especially the GT-Models...you See them in town but neverk on a track or on freeroads.
@@raupenimmersatt6906 So it's a lower range, lower speed Tesla? Take into account they took the biggest battery they could gett and then locked a % of it to make it better for the track (Tesla dose not do that cause they don't wan't a low range car). So the entire Taycan is a big mess.. What i understod it as was they built the Taycan to prove that they could beat Tesla in Nurburg and the same day the broke the record Tesla showed upp with some of it's hidden technology and whent *slam* with the hammer here is 22 secounds faster then your new record oh, and btw next week we will do 37 secounds faster, cause why not. Tesla has been devoloping tech to improve EV's for what 15 years ? Porsch just started today and has to dump money on this and go with big losses untill they catch upp while Tesla sitts cosy with all it's patterns they made over the last 15 years. No company can challange them on the Tech side, best bett is like Taycan sell it on a "look" that there fans like aka 911 (and its cheaper then the model E that was promised). so ye, still prosche lost 6 billions, gl.
@@epicscoreCS2 Lol, tesla making a fast lap with a completely modified, emptied and tuned prototype far from being production ready. Only to beat a near-production spec base 2019 Porsche. The difference in tyres alone explains a lot of this time difference, put the same sticky tyres to the Porsche and it will do it without a sweat.
A stripped-out, highly modified prototype Model S with aftermarket additions and semi-slick tyres. No other manufacturer attempts to claim records with Frankenstein prototypes. By all means come back and set a record when the car is in production guise, but any record set with a stripped dev-mule will be (justifiably) laughed at by the motoring industry and by enthusiasts with any knowledge and appreciation of motor vehicles. I sincerely hope they do come back in 12 months (when Elon says the "Plaid" version of the car will be available) and set a record with a representative example of the final production vehicle. Competition is good.
The latest CleanTechnica article just made a good point. The latest attempt by Tesla on the Ring with its Plaid mode Model S put Porsche in a very worrying spot. The Taycan's record time on the Ring was intentionally set below their own ICE top dog Panamera trim so not to disrupt their sales. To meet or exceed Tesla's claim, Porsche must first undermine their own ICE lineup. So who should be more worried?
@Seawolf the Tesla system isn't ready for prime time. How useful is it when you can't trust it to take over the driving? The Porsche has level 3 autonomous driving so how much more useful is an autopilot you can't fully trust? It is not like you can read a book and have a meal while the car takes over.
@@MM-gg3rg Self Driving mode should not be killing people, should it? More people die from human error because of 99.9% of the cars on the road don't use self-driving modes. If the Tesla system can't be relied on then it is worthless. When the Tesla system allows the driver to watch a video and eat dinner then it is something magical until then it is just a fancy cruise control that is not a major selling point.
MSL525 😂😂 Why’s it so hard to get over the fact that Tesla destroys Porsche for 1/3 the price.. dropping half a second off their quotes.. talk about a reach
@@brettcotton9534 You obviously know thing about Porsche, Noob. Not surprising, as I'm sure you knew nothing about cars before Tesla. Please don't respond until after the mags do their 0-60 testing (since that's the parameter Teslarati hang onto for dear life). Then get back to us, if you have the nerve.
@@msl5253 I don't need to.. You're comparing a modified S at half the price to a beefed up Taycan caliming it's "factory".. Compare the 200k Roadster 2.0 and the Turbo S at 185k.. Oh wait.. *insert excuse after excuse*
This is a stunningly beautiful car! The body fit and finish is top notch. Light years ahead of Tesla. Lots of interesting new EV tech too. Maybe it’s time for Tesla to revisit the multi-gear transmission and regenerative braking for the model S & X now that that technology and hardware has improved. This Taycan appears to be every bit Porsche in both spirit and function. I like this one much more than the Panamera.
Man can we stop with the Tesla should be worried narrative? How about the ICE vehicle should be very worried? That is Tesla's only competition. Glad to see the Taycan finally arriving but Tesla isn't going anywhere.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ Alright. Let us discuss. Can you explain to me what about the EV is a "trendy scam"? Here in MN you can charge an EV off peak at around 4 cents per kwh. Which means for the price of one gallon of gasoline (2.59 in MN), you could get around 259 miles of range in a model 3. Anything that keeps money in my pocket and out of the big oil or government taxes doesn't sound like much of a scam to me. Historically, it has seemed to me that big oil is the one scamming everyone else. I assume you must be American since you think gas is so cheap. If it weren't for government subsidies, you'd be paying more like $5-6 per gallon at the pump. Buying an EV would be the most logical thing you could do.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ I guess when it comes to most EVs you get a vehicle that will save you money in the long run. Who wouldn't want that? If you put 100,000 miles on a model 3 it'll cost you roughly $1500 to $5000 for the electricity. Now say 100,000 miles on a 25mpg vehicle. You're looking at roughly $10,360 for the same distance (2.59 per gallon). That's $5000+ right in your pocket, not to mention no oil changes and less break pad changes due to regen braking. You also brought up the fact that it has less parts, I would chalk that up as another plus. Less things that can go wrong. As far as polluting...yes there are many states that still run mostly on coal and driving an EV isn't nearly as clean as you'd think. But the grid is getting more green by day, which will hopefully lead to an emissions free future for cars that civilians can drive. It's a start. Nice point about planes and ships though. Definitely will be tough to tackle those. Flying a plane and having a kid are like the two worse things you can do to your carbon footprint.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ You could have been referring to Arabs. Thanks for clarifying. For someone who despises Islam, I'm shocked you don't support EVs to the fullest. If the world were to fully go electric tomorrow, Saudi Arabia and Iran would go broke. But you go ahead and keep filling your car with some of their oil. I'm sure they're thankful for it.
With my model 3 I use regen 90 percent of the time already unless I need to stop from 5 mph. The kicker is that I do not even have to move my foot and use the break pedal at all until I stop for the last 5 mph. I do not know what he is talking about. The Tesla regen system is more convenient and does exactly what it is supposed to. I do not want the regen system to vary and be changed. It is what it should be. Porsche is full of nonsense.
I waited 17 minutes to see "why Tesla should be very worried". I only found reasons why Tesla shouldn't be worried at all and how the Model S is better in every way.
50% more than a Tesla, not quite as aero as a Tesla, 30% less range, less interior space, less truck space... why is Tesla supposed to be worried? It's an interesting car with Panamera-like styling that you will either love or hate and no doubt perhaps a few Porsche fans will buy one, but all it will really accomplish is to further validate the concept of luxury EVs, with most people opting for the Tesla S, until something MB or BMW come pout with comparable cars in the $80-110K range.
Think about it: For that much money, wouldn't you get a Tesla Roadster 2.0? I believe most people would say definitely yes. So the question then is, what is Porsche trying to do here?
The Tesla can't compete on driving dynamics and performance yet. Both are great cars, but they are for different people. Tesla are for the Techies. The Porsche is for the Driver.
You're forgetting one is a Porsche....one is a Tesla lol Porsche name by itself makes up for price. Wealthy buyers that are looking for a EV are likely gonna go with the Porsche.
In Europe, we have the ionity Charger with 350kw. While they are not as wide spread as Tesla supercharger, their charging network is pretty competitive and especially faster than the supercharger.
The Taycan is 'setting a point' with 800V technology - another benefit of lower currents during accelleration and fast charging is a longer life of the Li-Ion battery...
800 V has benefit for thinner cabling, and less losses in cables, inverters and motors. However for the battery itself it is no different, they are still made of Li-ion cells each with ~3.7 V nominal voltage.
@@frankr9728 Careful. Lower current (by higher voltage) is important for cables, inverters and motors. However for the battery it is build as a number of cells in series multiplied by number of cells in parallel. Cell current is divided by number of cells in parallel. How much current a Li-ion cell can take very much depend on size and cooling. We do not have the specs of the cells so it is not possible to estimate how much higher power it would be able to charge with.
Good grief. Exactly why should Tesla be worried? For $50,000-$100,000 more, I can get significantly less range, significantly less utility, silly nomenclature-and all the respect that aging, gold necklace-wearing Porsche-lessee’s are (now) known for. Of course this won’t be a true TFL comparison until one of you backs it in to a garage.
Wow! Spoken like a broke person. Tesla's don't sell due to their practicality; They have always sold due to their novelty. What happens when others join the fold? Tesla's novelty diminishes. Sure, you'll have some cult followers, but at this price, prestige is still huge and the latest eye candy will win. Tesla better have some tricks up it's sleeves. A 7 year old design can only sustain for so long, even with top motch tech upgrades.
Hahaha-spoken like a guy talking out of his ass who’s never going to get behind the wheel of either car. Tricks up its sleeve? At every metric, Tesla as it is out performs the Porsche. If you mean it’s time for a cosmetic refresh after seven years, you’re right, but that’s no “trick:” It’s a given in the industry. “Cult” followers? HA! Is there anyone more cultist then a Porsche owner? And by the way, last year Porsche-an 88 year old company-with six available models sold around 256,000 worldwide. Tesla, a sixteen year old company with three models, sold 245,000. This year, Tesla will leave them in the dust. Porsche would give its left nut for that kind of novelty. (Is that your gold chain I hear rattling?) To be clear for the rest of you, there’s no question that the Porsche EV is an excellent luxury car, and for $185,000 it’d better be. But a threat to Tesla? How?
PS: If I had a nickel for every old guy in a Porsche who challenged me and was left weeping in my rear view mirror, I’d be a considerably less-broke owner of a Model S. 😉
@@PtBm2975 haha Patrick just let them be. It is AMAZING tho how much Tesla hate is out there. For the price of a Model S Performance AND a 911, I don't think I would want a Taycan.
Qubo Guo You’re right, Qubo, I should let it go. : ) But I can’t resist one more... Three words, Terrence: Exclusive Supercharging Infrastructure. When I’m out road tripping, I’ll smile when I see $185,000 “Turbos” queued up in Walmart parking lots along the highway, awaiting their turns at sometimes-working public chargers. Ah, the novelty! Ah, the prestige!
@@dyhppyx That's 21st century motor journalism for you. What's the point on holding back certain information anyway to the public? Certainly driving dynamics will not change. I don't get it either.
Tesla's regen braking IS variable. When I first got my P85D I too thought that not having integrated regen with the braking pedal was a disadvantage since my Prius had that. I just didn't realize until I started driving it that the way Tesla implemented it meant that I could drive with one pedal almost never touch the brake and I can still brake pretty hard just by lifting off the throttle all the way....or brake lightly by lifting only part way. Much less driver fatigue than having to physically press the brake pedal all the time.
Can the Porsche Taycan Charge Faster Than a Tesla. Alex finds out HERE: ruclips.net/video/kYpk2e9ap3k/видео.html
ChargedUpEV Depends where you live. In much of europe, it’s a different story...
The Fast Lane Car , saying that the Taycan can charge to a certain state of charge more quickly without factoring in the fact that the Taycan has no where near the range of the Model S is misleading at best.
Comparing to the model 3 it be around the same (depending of charging curve speed). Of course the model S and X will be slower to obvious reasons in charging speed difference.
But in 2020/2021 tesla will probably do a massive upgrade along side the plaid power train and chassis to model S and X with the roadster releasing around then. With a major improvement in charging speed and leave Porsche in the dust
@@TFLcar Can you get in touch with Tesla and maybe have a preview of the Plaid Mode they are working on? Alex sounds like the perfect person to explain all the details loud and clear for us.
@ChargedUpEV and how is the 800 volts chargers infrastructure around the US? Not very well so you are more likely to run out of charge and be stranded. In Europe the only place you can charge the Taycan is at the Porsche dealership. Not good.
A stranded dead Taycan with no battery charge is just a piece of expensive metal.
I seriously don't know why Amber turn signals aren't a thing here, they're so much more visible than something that looks like a brake light
Coming here from Europe that and all the denominations of money being the same color took some getting used to
It's been deemed important not to send mixed signals since, the rear turn signal means the same thing as a brake signal to the driver following. Amber is the 'Caution' color in America so it's only allowed as front signals and front side marker lights.
hey MYwindow then why do some cars have amber turn signals front and rear? take a look at a toyota rav 4
My Taurus has amber signals on the back.
Well if you’re behind someone you’re supposed to treat a turn signal with the same caution as a brake light anyways.
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Engineer: how many screen you want?
Engineer Boss: Yes
The screens in the Taycon costs extra, 150k+30k or 185k+30k for screens.
TeChExPo looks awful and worrying. Tesla is Way more clean
I guess the youtube messed up my subscribed channels. TFL car and Alex on autos.
alex has replaced sarah n tuned?
Definitely messed up but I appreciate the vlog
This video isn't long enough to be a *true* Alex on Autos video... :)
Nope think he replaced Nathan
He no more makes vidoes on the big channel
Marcus Pereira Is there a video describing his channel move? Seem so stupid to car about details of a random car reviewer guys life, but I liked his detailed car reviews and I also like some of TFL videos, so i’m just confused if this was a temporary cross-advertising collaboration or a full-time move? Is he part owner of that channel now? Did he sell is other channel? Why waste those subs, why not cross-post or at least make a less professional vlog version of the channel with more casual car talk and intermittent car reviews.
Clearly this car must be compared to Tesla for viewing purposes , but Tesla has nothing to worry about , tesla is an electric car brand with multiple electric vehicles that have perfected over years of trial and error , the taycan is one car that not everyone can afford , tesla is not worried not matter how fast the taycan is
Perfected? Hahahaha
Adam Wroten - I agree on everything said here! Except,,,,,,,, perfected?? Drastically improved,,, I’ll hive you that! Hahaha! Stay safe out there, Eh!
And all those outdated screens with those 90's GM style buttons
And you think the Taycan will be the only fast EV car entering the market soon? Search for Audi E-tron GT, Mercedes EQS or some normal models like Audi Etron, Mercedes EQC, BMW iX3, Jaguar i PAce, etc
Tesla has nothin to worry about? Calm down fan boy. The big advantage porsche and the other e.v. makers have are established dealer networks that will provide local sales, financing and service.
Two wonderful cars with different design philosophies. One wants to be driven and was built around the driver. The other wants to be autonomous and was built around the future.
Well said!
Agreed. Well said. Different intentions. Both are great.
Probably the best way to summarize it! Also, Tesla WANTS to be challenged in order to speed up the energy transition, which is awesome
Again, how do you say this when the Taycan just got STOMPED at the 'ring?
Shouldn't Tesla be the manufacturer explaining why they're slower? Roadster 2.0 costs $200K AND IT'S COMING FOR YOU PORSCHE 😜
It also cost $180,000. Plus dealer mark up. Sigh*
That is the turbo S. There is the Turbo and there will be the base model in a year.
Plus options! You can hit 1/4 million dollars if you want all the goodies.
@@nathanfredell8365 that is ticking everything. Stop being a Tesla fanboy. Tesla had its time in the sun when no one cared about EVs but now the real car makers are coming. Car makers that don't have huge panel gaps and shoddy quality. There is a new sheriff in town.
@@almac9203 still twice the price for 100 miles less range, slower acceleration and longer charging times.
@@epicscoreCS2 the Taycan Turbo is 150k which isn't double. Secondly the Taycan isn't slower. The Tesla can only do its trick if they spend ages warming up the battery and provided the battery is 95% charged. In everyday driving the Tesla won't be able to access the ludicrous mode whereas the Porsche is ready to go at whatever charge level and without extensive warmup. The Porsche did 30 hard launches in a row at the hands of journalists. How many could the Tesla do before going into limp mode? As Porsche engineer's said the Tesla is a gimmick whereas their car is a serious performance machine.
No charging network, no autopilot or OTA updates. Inferior acceleration, range and motors and much more expensive. Tesla has nothing to be worried about - but good to see other automakers going for it.
LulzRoyce there is a charging network shared by the whole Volkswagen group: electrify America. They talk about it in this video.
Why would anyone buy a Porsche for its ”Autopilot” system? It's a drivers car, it’s meant to be driven.
@@kovu159 which is fine, but the supercharger network is bigger which is all that matters. Plus teslas can use regular public charging too
@@edipires15 enjoy "driving" it in bumper to bumper traffic. Unless have have enough money to make this car a weekender this is a terrible daily driver not to mention inferior to the model S in every way in specs. Just wait for the roadster.
@@kovu159 go look up how many stations they actually have open and have a laugh
The Taycan is a beautiful car. I would expect no less from Porsche. It's performance is also quite impressive (even if that turbo never spools up). But Tesla has nothing to worry about. The attention being paid to EV's is good for Tesla. Porsche also won't/can't produce the Taycan in any numbers significant enough to impact Tesla. I'm loving the Nurburgring rivalry. This is exactly what is needed to wake up the masses to the future of automobiles.
Porsche has 10 times the resources and 30 times better engineers so probably they will catch up really soon, but there's market for both, tesla has a model 3, I don't see Porsche building a cheap EV
Taycan production capacities can be doubled in very short time. Of course it's not a mass produced cheaper car, but Porsche will make a lot of these EVs in a short time in its new facility in Zuffenhausen. I would say, as Porsches first EV with a completely new production philosophy behind it, its quite good.
You should also think about the fact, that Porsche always underrates its numbers massively... When Porsche claims 2.8 seconds from 0-100 kmh or 0-62 mph, this is always a number for the "worst case" scenario under the most disadvantageously conditions and without launch control!
With its activated launch control it will be much faster of course, which means that 0-60 mph will be quite below 2.5 seconds. Combined with superior Porsche driving dynamics for this car, Tesla should be very worried, because people get a much better car with the Taycan! And the two base versions of the Taycan, which aren't out yet, will make this for even less money.
The Porsche is a 4 seater sports car, whereas the Tesla Model S is just a very heavy, almost 2.5 ton heavy sedan.
I understand but I'm referring about mass production, Porsche will buy couple of hundreds of acres and build the biggest and most advanced EV factory on earth
Tesla has a lot to worry about. Remember that Porsche is owned by Volkswagen and whatever ends up in a Porsche today will end up in a Volkswagen tomorrow, thats always been the case. So one of the worlds largest car manufacturers banking on all electric vehicles definately will scare Tesla.
Not to mention the price tag is twice the price for 100 mil's less range
I'm a Tesla owner and I can't begin to fathom why a $150k Porsche is a threat to my Tesla. The more EV's the better.
Exactly, this vehicle has a completely different target group than the Model 3 or X.
@n s Porsche's around here are literally everywhere. There is nothing exclusive anymore about a Porsche, as there are Panamera's, Cayenne's and Macan's on every corner now and the 911's are even pretty common now. I know a guy that owned several cars, including a Porsche and a Maserati. He said no one ever noticed anything or even blinked when they saw his Porsche, but people kept asking him about his Maserati. The average Joe will just think the Taycan is a the newest Panamera and no one will notice them...
@n s Not around here. A Porsche around here gets about as much attention as a Honda Accord. No one even blinks when you see one as they are literally everywhere.
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Tesla simplify philosophy: 1 LCD screen
Porsche simplify philosophy: 5 LCD screens
stare at LCD screen all day at work, stare at phone stare at computer.. now have to stare at LCD screen while driving. Next up the LCD eye glasses
Maybe it's Tesla simplify philosophy, but Porsche ergonomics philosophy? 🤣
Tesla screen breaks. You're in shit. Porsche screen breaks, there's still 4 others to choose from.
Yeah but what about usability? You have everything on its place, you don't have to tap trough menus all the time.
Not to mention the Porsche UI is truly garbage.
15 years from now....
Hoovie: "I JUST BOUGHT THE CHEAPEST PORSCHE TAYCAN IN THE USA"
Lol...So true!
Android auto is probably never coming, as Porsche doesn’t like the fact that android wants extensive data about the car.
Porsche are not competition for Tesla, both are competition for ICEs.
Overweight, overpriced, inconvenient competition, that is.
@@raymundhofmann7661 It's a pretty good first effort, they came close to Tesla's current tech, just as Tesla move into the next gen tech. Still a bit of catching up to do for the 'Tesla Killers'. it's great they're getting serious.
@@earthwizz What particular technology that Tesla has you think is superior and needs catching up?
@@raymundhofmann7661 range, bms, autopilot, charging infrastructure, ev experience, outright performance, ev model line up. I could go on.
The main area where porsches excellent history of engineering shows is the fit and finish of teslas still needs to improve to match euros (allthough its not bad anymore, just average).
@@stinger15au the range is worse mostly because of the tyres (305 at the rear)
Porsche will probably sway Porsche buyers but not Tesla buyers. Cool to see this exist though
still want to see what porsche/vw does with charging infrastructure...
@@joeyscleaninglady2877 look up Ionity
True, Tesla buyers are like diehard Christians, very Cult like.
Not too sure about that once they see the difference in quality control.
Its not Porsche - it is a joint venture from a number of vendors, which makes sense for fast growth and coverage, vital to the success of EV´s:
"Current members include BMW Group, Daimler, Ford, Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche. It was announced on September 9 2019 that Hyundai Motor group would bring Hyundai and Kia brands on board as strategic partners."
I'd be worried about a car that: costs 50% more, is slower, seats 3 less, gets significantly less range, has no free fast charging network, will nickel and dime you on options, and imo is a little ugly up front now that I see it in this video.
Isn't close to 100% more?
There is no californian model that does 0-124 in 9,8sec...
The top-of-the-californian-line p100d takes 10,8 for this sprint.
I agree about the price: Porsches are not cheap!
Exactly
Meanwhile Tesla will get the new “plaid” speed model s and x next year.
Congrats Porsche, you now compete against an EV from 2012
@@daguzify that is up to how you see it the only Tesla that has got the slightest Chance to compete is the p100d - that was not released in 2012.
Right now on the racetrack Porsche Taycan beats anything out there from Tesla.
IF tesla really updates ist top-of-the-line drivetrain, it might compete against the Taycan - but you can put it this way: it will not compete against the gt2rs and it will not compete against the 918 Spyder Weissach, and THAT has been out for many years ...
The Golden Corral method of evaluating luxury cars is simplistic at best. Do you really believe a person buying a Porsche is pinching pennies and worrying about free charging? Porsche has been successfully (i.e profitably) selling premium vehicles long before Tesla came around and it appears they will continue to do so.
Brands and lineage matter to most who buy Porsche's and McLaren vehicles and I think you are not looking at this car from the perspective of a premium car owner (i.e. $150K+) where this is one of many cars they own.
It's an ICE killer, not a Tesla killer.
It's still far far behind other Porsches in terms or performance. Porsche is not competing against its own cars, it's competing against Tesla.
@@Cal3000 I guess that depends on what you define as "performance." As a system, which has to include charging infrastructure, Porsche is, and will remain, far behind Tesla for the foreseeable future (the video title is rather silly), and yet most Porsche ICE cars in the same price class stand little chance of trumping it much in practical (non-track) acceleration and handling capabilities. I'm not a fan of Tesla's business model, but everyone else in this category is going to be playing catch-up for quite awhile.
@@Cal3000 If it's competing with Tesla, then it's not doing it very well.
It's cool that it has repeatable performance and a luxurious interior with 5 screens, but it lacks in specs you would use every day, not just on the track and it's WAY more expensive.
The Plaid Model S will absolutely eat this for lunch while still being cheaper.
Lol You really are living in bubble other there. Porsche is under VW, world biggest car manufacturer. Infrastructure won t be an issuefor Porsche. VW owns Electrify America. And supercharg structure will increase at a very high rates. Here in Europe Ionity is building supercharg stations across the continent. And you will realise how well build this Taycan when you are driving 200km on autuban without any vibration and the stability of car. People don t understand that only seeing the price range. This car is well build. Can t said about a Tesla
Tesla is not Porsche. That's says a lot. People buy Porsche because it s a Porsche.
Glad Tesla is getting some true competition, but here are many Tesla Model S advantages:
1. Dedicated Supercharger network
2. Almost 20 years of EV experience
3. Great range options
4. Faster to 60
5. Buying Maxwell Technologies, their next-gen battery tech will crush this even further
6. Costs much less, comparably equipped
7. Can seat 7
8. 2X more cargo space.....
You get the point.
Marcus Aurelius Rear facing seats for children and new redesigned version will be for small adults like Kevin Hart.
The Future Is Here Enhanced summon and autopilot. Even the Model 3 can now navigate the parking lot to come to it’s owner. And Teslas have their own theater mode with Netflix and RUclips.
Marcus Aurelius no facing seats in the back for two children
Disadvantage its looks like a shoe
Its american not German or Italian or British
The interior is depressing and basic for a 90-100k car
Build quality is crap, as proven by many non biased you tubers.
The battery is effected dramatically by weather and climate
Windnoise
Gas is cheap why not just buy an ICE car.
You forgot that you can't take your Tesla to the track because it will burn even the experience you mentioned but German electric cars are more reliable
It's a beautiful looking car. But I don't get why it should bother Tesla, except as a possible indicator of things to come from VW. The market for this car is obviously limited to those with a fat bank account and a certain need for speed - and/or status. I'd think it would worry Merc and BMW. IF I can afford this, do I want an M8? But as far as Tesla, you can easily option the Taycan past the $200K mark. That's 5 Model 3s.
@goodfella21f different cars
faster around a track or a mountain road than the current iteration of tesla, but not the Plaid version to come out next year.
For those who want maximum track performance right now, the Taycan Turbo S is their choice (if they want all-electric. lol)
@goodfella21f because you appreciate the extreme depreciation of an electric, multi-button, 20-screen Porsche.
Justin you cant get the taycan now, its release day is early 2020, so it could be in 4-6 month.
@goodfella21f
Isn't the Roadster starting at over 200k with a full spec version at over 300k?
4:48
Porsche Engineer: How much lag?
Porsche CEO: Yes!
I'd rather have slight delay in the infotainment than have a Tesla with a million other issues.
Keon R. You kidding right? Porsche is well known for electrical issues. Tesla info. system is most reliable, the probs are the motorized electric door handles and falcon wings rest pretty reliable.
Only a Tesla fan would give a shit about something like this. Difference is, this has a way more sporty look about it, than having a giant ipad stuffed in the middle of the dash. This is why Tesla fans aren’t car people.
@@megawatts Are you kidding? Tesla is extremely unreliable, they don't even use automotive-grade screens, that's why they break all the time: www.thedrive.com/tech/27989/teslas-screen-saga-shows-why-automotive-grade-matters
So I can spend $80-100k more than a Model S Performance to get slower 0-60, range that can't beat a 2012 Tesla, and half the cargo space? Are you joking about Tesla being worried? Sounds like Porsche is going to steal sales from themselves. Having Alex on this channel makes it 100x better! No Tesla misinformation and crashing into buildings. Good job with another thorough video Alex!
Pekirt79 but the Porsche is faster around a track, doesnt overheat, the interior quality is 10 times better than a tesla and it takes 25 minutes to recharge 80%
Luxcaradvice it charges faster because it only has 200~ miles of range. And the only 270 kw chargers are at Porsche dealer.
At 3:13 - "The rear spoiler is electrically activated..." It would be really cool if it had a tiny gasoline powered engine that made the spoiler go up and down.
Better than Tesla X with fixed one
The good: it's a beautiful car with the usual Porsche styling and quality. Porsche paid a lot of attention to thermal management, with the result that the Taycan can sustain high track speeds without much in the way of power drop-outs, which is something the Model S struggles with. (Tesla is working on a 'Plaid' option that will fix power drop-outs at sustained high speeds.) The Taycan handles the way you expect a Porsche to handle - nimble, quick. The Taycan is better than most ICEV sports cars in every way. It'll sell, even at those high price points, and why shouldn't it? It's a great car.
The bad: Porsche didn't design the drive train; they obtained it from a supplier in Croatia. That two speed transmission is lossy; it's a major reason for the Taycan's merely adequate range, which is handily beaten by the Model S. The superior efficiency of one-speed motors is part of the reason Tesla opted to stick with it and refine it. Even with the 2-speed transmission, the Taycan comes up slightly short against the Model S in acceleration and top speed; that fact, along with outsourcing the drive train, is a sign that Porsche isn't yet a master of electric drive train design. The regenerative braking system isn't linked to the accelerator pedal, as it is with Tesla's BEVs, so decelerating by lifting the pedal doesn't regen any energy into the battery - another range reduction. The Taycan has half the cargo capacity in a car sized similarly to the Model S. Porsche doesn't do software updates over-the-air, as Tesla does - you have to take the car in for service to get the latest software. Porsche trails Tesla on driver assist software and navigation, though what they do have is not at all terrible.
Tesla estimates that their current-gen battery packs should last for between a third to a half million miles. We've not yet heard from Porsche on the cycle life expected of its packs.
All told, this is an amazing and excellent first foray into electric vehicles by Porsche. Their tech lags behind Tesla, but it does *not* lag ICEV tech; it exceeds it. Wealthy buyers who want to upgrade from their current sports car will be interested. And not everyone appreciates the minimalist interior design of a Tesla. Those who don't, and want a fast electric car that looks gorgeous, will be happy to jump into a Taycan.
There should be more than enough demand for both manufacturers. There's a *lot* of ICEV demand to eat. But unlike ICEV tech, which has been plateaued for some years, BEV tech is advancing. Look for Porsche to work on the next-gen version of the Taycan; they will want to close the range and performance gap against the Model S.
It's a moving target. Tesla isn't standing still.
You forgot to mention the supercharge network that taycan doesn't have. Also if i can buy a 911 and this, i would pick 911 anytime if i only want a fast car. Still it is a good thing.
@@maxtruong187 Heh. I didn't want to write a book, just a comment. I left out more than the Supercharger network - partly because there are things about the Taycan I don't yet know, partly because I was (uncharacteristically) striving for brevity. (And failing to achieve it, as usual.)
There certainly will be people who still prefer an ICE sports car. Absolutely true.
Those people probably won't be happy to meet a Taycan on a track, though, unless they have one of those $1 million + supercars.
And even those might be at a disadvantage when Tesla's New Roadster gets produced, hopefully by 2021.
Agree. Surprised that nobody even mentions safety ratings. There may never be one for the Taycan, just like there isn't one that I am aware of for my 911 turbo. There are crash ratings for my Model S.
@@izsakitt3711 Interesting point, izsak.
I disagree about the regenerative braking system. It's not linked, that is true, but it's a good tging. Porsche wanted to make a car that behaved "naturally", like an ICE car, so they had to link the system to achieve that goal. Moreover, there are more efficient EV than Tesla, and they have one thing in common : you can coast for miles and miles, and when you want to brake, THEN you regenerate your battery. The 1st and better way to save energy in an EV is to not use it, and that is why a Hyundai Kona EV has a great range with an only 64 kwh battery. So what you think is a bad thing in the Taycan is actually a strenght.
After watching the intro, I decide to buy a Tesla. Thanks very much.
Think Triple Same
You know I've always felt TFL is biased against Tesla. Now, having read this title and watched this video, it is irrefutable.
Jesus christ my Model 3 was 49k and is faster than, and has more range than, the Taycan turbo starting at 150,900.
Is this a joke?
Remoes02 I know right who is going to pay 150 grand on a car that has less range then all Teslas.
Pun Jab I Ok do I care?
@@Cars-N-Jets Who buys a car that has less range? I mean, *EVERYONE CARES ABOUT RANGE.* That's why people buy Ferrari and Lamborghini, right?
Alex, I’ve always watched your videos, but have a new found respect for you. The layers and layers of details involved in understanding this vehicle is mind boggling, and know why TFL got you to do this particular presentation. It requires a high level of intelligence to explain what you’ve explained, but then makes you appreciate the brilliance that it took Porsche to figure all this stuff out, and then develop it, and successfully manufacture it.
If price is the same I can understand someone would sacrifice performance for different interior. At 150-180k, STARTING price... RIP Taycan
STC lmaoooo, a far reduction in performance from the tesla and doesn’t have a huge turbocharger network in the US. Basically no competition to Tesla, a luxury option for those who have their heads up their asses. But the future of EVs gets a huge boos either way.
People seem to forget the Porsche always releases their models Top down. Meaning the most expensive most powerful (highest profit margin) vehicles get released first, then after a year-year and a half they release the bottom range models.
There will be sub-100k Taycans released in the not too distant future.
performance is more than numbers, what about steering feel? how flat the car is around corners? how the motors deliver the power? does the car tend to understeer or is it tail-happy. that's not even taking into consideration build quality, ive been in a bunch of teslas and there are def some build quality issues. all these tech guys getting into cars now cuz of tesla think its like comparing specs on a cell phone. this whole argument about performance stats and price is an old one for any true car guy. nissan GT-R had faster 0-60 than 911 when it first came out and significantly less price, same with corvette....but as far as reviewers were concerned 911 is still king and benchmark. tesla innovated like one thing, but porsche has had the car making process down for generations.
Mu'min InshaAllah Sorry but all of the things you mentioned including “build quality” are measurable by numbers. Durability of materials is measurable and the Tesla wins in this aspect, amount of failures and closeness of machining are measurable and while you are right the Tesla has a few issues in that regard the Porsche is completely unproven as many previous porsches have been bad just as many have been good. Steering mechanics can all be measured in numbers and the Tesla not only has better radial degrees of movement, it also has much more software that allows it to edit driving mechanics, so there might be different mechanics in each but definitely not “better” just because it is a porsche. Lastly performance while you are also correct that performance is not all HP. The teslas do better in almost every thing except coefficient of drag which they are still close considering the tesla is a 7 seater and the Porsche barely fits 4. Weight, Battery use efficiency, motor torque, back end to front end weight ratio, drag/aerodynamics, and the machines ability to control individual wheel speeds around corner are all reasons the Teslas can out track the Taycan. Physics tells us EVERYTHING about anecdotal sales terms like driving dynamics, steering feel, history on the track. Source- Physics professor friends and Engineer family background
@@EpicLemonMusic "Durability of materials is measurable and the Tesla wins in this aspect, amount of failures and closeness of machining are measurable and while you are right the Tesla has a few issues in that regard the Porsche is completely unproven as many previous porsches have been bad just as many have been good."
- So tesla "wins" even though by your own admission "porsche is completely unproven." Porsche is one of the most, if not the most reliable luxury car manufacturers, that can be easily searched. I'm going to go ahead and call bullshit unless you can provide verifiable stats and numbers on "failures and closeness of machining."
"Tesla not only has better radial degrees of movement, it also has much more software that allows it to edit driving mechanics, so there might be different mechanics in each but definitely not “better” just because it is a porsche."
- Define a "radial degree of movement" and how can it be better or worse? Are you talking about steering ratio? Because for different circumstances, different ratios have their pros and cons. The fact that you are having a hard time processing the idea of subjectivity and its role in driving says to me you are not a car enthusiast but rather a text book enthusiast.
"Lastly performance while you are also correct that performance is not all HP. The teslas do better in almost every thing except coefficient of drag which they are still close considering the tesla is a 7 seater and the Porsche barely fits 4. Weight, Battery use efficiency, motor torque, back end to front end weight ratio, drag/aerodynamics, and the machines ability to control individual wheel speeds around corner are all reasons the Teslas can out track the Taycan. Physics tells us EVERYTHING about anecdotal sales terms like driving dynamics, steering feel, history on the track."
- Coefficient of drag is not a performance metric, it's a metric that may or may not have a perceivable/measurable net result in performance. Also you just said the Taycan does better in coefficient of drag and then said "drag/aerodynamics" is one of the reasons Tesla can out track the Taycan...so you're contradicting yourself. Physics would absolutely be able to tell us everything about the driving experience, theoretically. But the real world implementation of physics to have that complete an understanding of the driving experience just isn't done, whether due to practicality or lack of interest in pursuing such minutia. Which is why I call bullshit. If you aren't bullshitting to appease your tesla fanboyism, give me actual definitions and/or actual numbers for both cars on the following: radial degree of movement, closeness of machining, weight distribution, individual wheel speeds around corners. show me the numbers and site the sources.
IF such data actually exists, I will bet the porsche will prove to have better build quality and driving dynamics.
Its funny how people use "Tesla" in their headline and titles to help get attention for the Taycan, otherwise it wouldn't get as much attention. Anywho, Tesla has nothing to worry about, its the gas powered super cars that should be "very worried". I would add that this car actually helps Tesla because it creates competition and more people will be interested in electric vehicles. Taycan looks like a great car, I hope its not a wet firecracker. Cheers to electric vehicles.
I don't know why everyone keep on comparing the Taycan with the Model S. Isn't it more appropriate to compare it to the Tesla Roadster instead?
Star Man probably because they are both 4 door sedans. But you’re right with the Porsche price point it probably appeals to potential roadsters customers.
@@MrSpuzzz Exactly, the vast amount of Model S customers will never consider a flop like the taycan. Very few of the vital specs we're looking for in a sedan are found in a taycan. Then when we speak about the Roadster it's in a world of its own. Personally I think there is no comparison whatsoever. Only a few porche fan-boys are excited about the taycan and you know what I'm happy for them. The question still remain if they'll buy the overpriced car or not. Let's see who's right at the end of the day Mr S.
AlfaRomeoFan is the 2020 roadster not going to be mistaken for a super car? Actually I don’t know what makes a super car. Assumed it was price and speed and acceleration.
Taycan & Model S are both production 4 door sedans. The Roadster is a concept.
grtelli 2020 roadster not really a concept car. They’re taking reservations for it now, just like Porsche is. Not on the road yet (and Porsche’s are now just hitting the street).
TFL Car gets it wrong again. This channel's incompetence in the EV space is legendary. The Taycan doesn't cross shop the Model S. If anything, it will cannibalize other Porsches.
How do you even really have the nerve to say that Tesla should be worried about this thing. In reality it has nowhere near the battery life and it does not use tesla charging stations and there’s not enough tesla charging stations around as is ,and there’s more of them than any other electric car charging station, then there is the price of the car ,all you get is a name plate, and a Tesla model S will dust this thing!!! Will Porsche cut you a deal on the charging station and install it in your house and work it into the price of your car? I think not. all you get with this car is the name that’s it!!!
This video seems to be piggybacking off the Tesla name to promote buzz about a car that really has no serious buzz.
Trek Ryder makes sense cause this car is shit and would get smoked by Ludacris mode in a model S
I find the screens kind of redundant. Might be just me though.
I'd kill for every screen to be customizable with anything. From GPS to stock charts to social networks. All voice controlled. We can't be that far away from this, talking to your car and it talking back was a matter of science fiction just 15 years ago.
Bubbas Ernie I agree
Pablo López-Ortega - How about concentrate on the road first?
And why is everyone comparing their cars to the Tesla Model S? It is because the Tesla Model S has set the Standard and so far no car has beaten the Model S standards for the buck. Wait til you see the Tesla Roadster!!!!
Isn't it because YT is full of marketing for Model S as a "sports car" with ludicrous drag performances? Well, people who want a BEV holding up to the sports car label now finally can have one.
Who would wait for the promise of a Tesla Roadster when this is surely something Porsche might have also coming - they are a real sports car company, since ages - not only promising sports car performance and then overheating but delivering the real deal?
Taycan and Tesla Model S are about the same size but in a Tesla, you can fit up to 7 people with 5 people seating really comfortably. In Taycan, there are 2 comfortable seats at the front and the second row is more like 'economy' when it comes to comfort.
Also worth noting, Tesla has a top-notch computer behind its massive screen. This is not the case with Porsche.
The Porsche rear seats are good. People up to 6 foot 1 fit just fine. The Porsche screens are run by computers. Stop being a Tesla fanboy.
@@almac9203 There is a photo of the rear sitting situation here: www.teslarati.com/porsche-taycan-interior-space-comparison-tesla-model-s-tesla-model-3-video/
Oh, there is some computer inside. Perhaps something of the sort you find in a cheap unbranded tablet you can buy on amazon for £50. Please, provide specs if you have other information.
Also, much less storage space.
But don't get me wrong. I am happy that they've made it. It's a step in the right direction. The more evs are out there, the better for us all.
Model S cost 70k less with better specs, autopilot, and a super charger network. Doesn't seem they should be worrying too much yet...
yes... more expensive, slower 0-60, less space, less range and less chargers.
@Coni Glione not when model s beats it by 20 seconds
@@jackykit123 thats dishonesty the Model S that was used on the Ring has nothing to do with a production car
@Coni Glione new model s plaid beat it by 20 seconds
@@bugsy791 80k$ probably mods a Model S quite a bit for a track... Heck, you can get two used spare Model S for that.
Well Porsche did their lap in prototype form as well.....It was a mule in black camo for a production vehicle.
Tesla did their lap in prototype form as well.....It was a plaid mule for a future production vehicle. Catch my format?
The Tycan cost 256k fully and it only can seat 4 people and it has no hatch and the range of a Chevy bolt.
juanmedinar20 it’s complete trash and ppl act like it’s special like Tesla outdid this so long ago
There will be a Taycan with hatch coming soon, the Cross Turismo
@BTICronox The Model S in question was a prototype. Prototypes are meant to be pushed to failure so that production versions don't. The car was literally made to fail.
@BTICronox Secondary objective. Primary objective is prototype testing.
We see that in the fact that Plaid Model S is also bring tested in the Mojave Desert and Laguna Seca as well as the Nurbugring.
@BTICronox Elon tweet said "model s at Nurburgring next week".... I don't see anything about records etc
I truly love how you guys help each other out!!! 👊🏽 Way to go, Alex!
The price point on the Porsche is too high. Tesla has nothing to worry about.
They already have like 40000 preorders at this price
But Tesla isn't Porsche is it
@@aribloch They had 40000 preorders before they knew the price lol. Porsche originally said it was gonna be 85,000$.
@@bigggmustang73 "According to Zellmer, people still want value for money, but potential customers were already aware that the Taycan was going to be expensive before the price was made official. “They have now seen that and traffic in our dealerships suggests that it did not scare them away.'"
Here's Why Tesla Shouldn't Be Very Worried!
The Taycan Turbo S cost double what a Model S P100D costs. They're not in the same market at all and the Model S STILL beats the Taycan in range, top speed, acceleration, autonomy and ultimately, popularity.
And it beat it on the Nurburgring
Yes you right
With broken car on the nurburgring hell yeah
@@jes3363 Tesla used a prototype, the Taycan was a production version.
@@EB720S The fact that Tesla are 'over-clocking' the Model S is actually a good thing. It shows the car has high potential to be tuned.
The Model S beats the Taycan on every metric, 0-60, range, power stations, top speed, cargo, seats 7, self driving computer at half the cost. Right?...
@@davidfaustino4476 it cant according to Porsche release papers, they did 28 with cooling down pauses..
But who in real life does that? It's a FAMILY CAR and it beats the Taycan on every metric at half the cost. Right?
But the design?????
201 miles of range and Porsche has the nerve to charge $103,000. For $80k I could buy a Tesla model S performance + with 348 miles of range. You've got to be kidding me 🙈
Turbo S price is actually $185,000 (before options and, believe it or not, does not include the charging cable which Porsche has the nerve to charge an additional $1120)
8:30 Actually, Tesla did use a two-speed gearbox in the original Roadster; however, they abandoned it because it was unreliable and broke often.
Yeah, most people don't realize but when switching on two gearing the amount of mechanical impulse forces and electrical peak current tend to be enormous.
So both electrical and mechanical components will wear out damn fast.
I guess this car is not to drive often as a model S, should not be compared.
They say it stands the heat that the track brings, but how many days until you have to do a complete refurbishment?
let's wait for the consumers experience...
Well said... but Porsche has dealerships to keep busy so complexity adds to there business model.
@@guisrtr5832 It seems that the Porsche's gearbox is simply better designed for EV use than the BorgWarner gearbox that Tesla was using in the Roadster. Heck, the Roadster wasn't even putting down that much power (maybe 200 kW), so there was no reason for how frequently the Roadster's gearbox broke.
@@newscoulomb3705 Yeah, I believe it's more strong and well designed.
But I have to disagree that 200kW is not much for this application. The problem is that you have to jump from a big difference on gear ratios, or else the gear box would not help much on sustaining power at high speeds.
The Tesla's motors spins with constant torque until 6000 rpm, even with 13000 rpm it still deliver a lot of power but it decreases after that. The gear ratio is constant at 9.71:1.
So imagine you shifting to a lower one, at that similar ratio with that high rpm. It needs to be similar ratios or else you would punch too much on difference (the torque would change dramatically in zero time)
Conclusion:
If the gear makes a big difference it wears out fast.
If it's conservative, don't make many difference. Just would increase a little of the torque/power available at slightly higher speed.
I bet Porsche doesn't care of mechanical parts wearing out in a year or two, because the more they service their clients, the more money they get. It's they culture.
And their clients didn't have much of a choice, until now.
The solution is simple: 3 to 4 motors.
Even at the electrical point of view makes sense (current is divided).
@@davidkinch2100 well said, their culture dictates their business model that dictates their products.
This isn't really quite the competitor that the title says. I think it's great that Porsche did this. However this car costs more than a Model S, has less range, has less storage, not available like the model s is. it can charge faster, but it doesn't have the Tesla super charger network that will soon be able to charge at 250kw. The Tesla superchargers are much more common in the U.S.
I want to like it... but not my cup of tea.
Richard Kok Coffee? ☕️
Tesla has nothing to worry about and why are there so many screens looks like this one is going to be high maintenance
Lets not get too excited about the Taycan just yet. The more accurate and appropriate comparison would be against the upcoming Tesla Roadster 2.0. I get it that we won't actually see the Roadster 2.0 until sometime next year at the earliest and right now the Model S is perhaps the closest viable competitor to the Taycan. It's actually a huge endorsement for Tesla since the performance Model S, a true luxury sedan, starts at $105,000 while the Taycan is nearly twice as costly. Yet the Performance Model S beats it on nearly every metric in terms of performance. Beauty on the other hand is in the eye of the beholder and it could be argued that the Taycan may be more aesthetically pleasing to some and have a greater eye candy factor so there's that.
But if we insist on comparing against the Model S let's see how the Taycan will stack up against the upcoming Model S Plaid version coming late next year. Will people still be taking about the Taycan next year? Maybe. But they will definitely be talking about and excited over Tesla's Model S Plaid and Roadster 2.0 and for good reasons. The reality is that Tesla, who has been making cars for about 10 years now, is and will continue to set the bar and the standard for what an EV should be and consequently is being chased by nearly all newcomers and decades old established legacy automakers like Porsche to take the crown. To that I would say competition is a wonderful thing and there's plenty of room and opportunity for all to compete and carve out their own niche which in the end adds to more choice and options for all of us.
Imagine that Porsche decided to build a 918 spider fully electrical, 918 is the super car and hyper car killer, the number 1 now, imagine fully EV with that package there's nothing that can beat the 918, roadster 2.0 well let's see how it goes
I bet it _depreciates_ faster than a Tesla.
For some reason 911 are the cars that retain their value higher than any car in the market, I know the cayenne is not the best suv but still a great medium size suv, but tesla is a new company trying to survive. Used tesla are sitting around in the dealer picking up dust, nobody wants them.
Once any tesla model pass tesla life expectancy they will not sell you parts to fix it, basically the car die in your hands, there's people buying crash tesla for parts, if you want to make money buy every tesla in auction and sell used parts, you will thank me later
Model S performs better than Taycan in every way except top speed, acceleration, braking, cornering and thermal management. Lol you're so funny
@@АлексейКастевич what's the top speed of the model s and Taycan, I've believe that Taycan is about 40 mph faster at top speed, but this is just the beginning, wait a little more so Porsche bring back the turbo s fully dress, NOT FULLY STRIP
I dont understand this: Tesla - 60k..."Oh that is so expensive, it is just toy for rich, it never became relevant". Porsche-150k "Yaaay! Thats it. The Tesla killer, the EV revolution, the game changer, everybody gona buy it!". Can anyone explain?
LOL. Well said. Tesla is a disrupter, and traditional car makers are acting irrationally because they really don't know what to do.
This is the most expensive model. The base Taycan will be priced between the base Panamera and base 911, around $85.000
For the love of all things on wheels, let's put rivalries aside and look at the price...
180K
Model S Performance + 911
OR
Daily a Model 3 Performance + Track a GT3.
Base Taycan which will be easily 100k with options will actually be neither here nor there since it might be on par with Model 3 Performance numbers since a gap has to be created between the Turbo S and the base.
I get the looks and exclusivity but 180k is a little hard to justify.
All that said I am happy Porsche jumped in, the future is electric.
Panameras start at like $110k here in Canada and they sell a ton of them.
And why should Tesla be worried? Porsche has caught up with 2012 Tesla technology. Congrats. Meanwhile, the Roadster will be out next year as well as an updated Plaid S and X, all with mind warping specs. So what is Porsche response, an economy Taycan for the poor in the next 2-3yrs. Yes, Tesla should be worried.
Van L The Porsche is for people who want a high quality car, Tesla’s quality is comical.
Sam Matchett Exactly.
Sam Matchett like as wrote earlier, quality also includes reliability. Porsche’s do not have the best reliability.
Ying N Yang Neither does Tesla.
@@yingnyang2889 Why don't you think Porsche are reliable? They are known for their reliability. An unreliable brand is McLaren. If I had to pick the more reliable brand between Porsche and Tesla I would choose Porsche with out a doubt. One thing I will give you is that Porches are typically expensive to repair.
The level of technology is simply overwhelming! That worries me because reliability may suffer a lot. Also, that car will be considerably much more expensive than a Tesla model S. I don’t think Elon will worry; they will do what they always do which is improve very quickly.
He won't be too worried. Tesla Infrastructure (including Superchargers which Porsche surely can't use) is already decent.
High car price + high service cost = porscheit
The Taycan has some nice features that Tesla doesn't have and I expect it will steal some sales from the Model S. However, the least expensive Taycan is about $20K more than the most expensive Model S. The only true competition is at the margins.
The most expensive version of the performance edition of the Model S is under $115k.
Confusing! Alex on autos on tfl? What a concept! Great review as always Alex!
RAN D the greatest crossover since avengers
Watch Alex's Taycan video on his channel for an explanation.
@@optimattprime I agree! I like both of them a lot!
adjusting air vents on touch screens seems kinda cheap to me. i feel like with time the more tactile experiences of yesteryear will become more and more sought after
felix crab 100% deal-breaker, tactile physical controls are superior
First thing to break, when the valet grabs them.
mercedes used to force you to use a knob to move the rear view mirror. Reminds me of that super annoying
The whole screen instead of dials feels cheap to me. Some manufacturers used to have beautiful detailed handmade dials, now it's just another damn pretty background on a cellphone. Then imagine your speedo and tach going black because the screen shits out like the one in my mom's cx9 does constantly.
I agree and I'm glad I got a 2019 Audi S5 Sportback because for 2020 they are going full touch screen which I just can't deal with.
800 Volt 270 kw 400 Volt 50 kwh or pay for upgread 400 Volt 150kw
Yeah, most people don't realize but when switching on two gearing the amount of mechanical impulse forces and electrical peak current tend to be enormous.
So both electrical and mechanical components will wear out damn fast.
I guess this car is not to drive often as a model S, should not be compared.
They say it stands the heat that the track brings, but how many days until you have to do a complete refurbishment?
let's wait for the consumers experience...
I hate how all of these media outlets are trying to pit Porsche and Tesla against each other. The Taycan and Model S have completely different goals - not to mention that the former is nearly twice as expensive as the latter.
The comparison is like saying a Camry is competition for a Mercedes S-Class because they both run on gasoline.
This is not a Tesla Model S competitor. As this costs WAY MORE than a P100D model. This is a closer competitor to the upcoming Tesla Roadster.
No, that will be when Porsche releases a BEV Spyder based on a revised 918 Spyder.
over 50% of taycan reservation holders are tesla owners. If that's not a tesla competitor, then nothing is.
@@JustinCrediblename I didn't say it's not a Tesla competitor?
I thought Alex was an experienced reviewer. How can he say a car that’s much smaller inside and double the price competes with a Model S?
Because people will crowd shop them thus they compete.
It's only this year that Tesla have massively reduced the model s/x prices. You'd pay 130k for a trsla PD model just a year ago. That isn't that far off the taycan and at those sort of prices, there is a lot of elasticity.
More so if the buyers are driven to want the brand image, and have the newest thing in the block.
@@TFLcar yeah like bump up the budget from 100k to 200k is so easy. Because Porsche paid them to do so.
@@TFLcar It's like comparing a Grand Cherokee to Range Rover. Except in this case the Grand Cherokee (Model S) is faster for half the price...
@@TsLengjust FYI fully loaded Taycan turbo s cost 230k+
Because it costs a sh!t tonne more? If you compare it to model S it has no chance apart from turning going to be better and smaller size. If comparing to model 3 the top spec of each.. one cost 1/3 of the other with still amazing specs
I'm hearing some whining about price, when the Model S and 3 are no more truly affordable to your average Joe than the Taycan.
It costs more because ACTUAL engineers did what Tesla couldn't do...even with software. That's the difference between a so-called 'disruptive' company and a REAL one that has nothing to prove...but does so anyway.
Bill Cichoke The car performance is worse every way. I guess you paying 100k for the interior design
It is a hell lott heavyer as well they have fitted big ass batterys then locked them at like 75% use to be abeal to drive faster insted of longer + a heavy gear box thats fairly low quality, porsche makes the most money when stufg breaks so..ye
Friendly reminder porsche spent money equal to what teasla spent to develop all it's S 3 X models etc on just making this car lver 6 billion, thats why they from start had a price at about 128k and then changed it to 150k..
@@epicscoreCS2 You might want to check that...GVWR for the Taycan us 5200lbs, Model S 5800lbs. Also, Taycan has a higher top speed and better handling characteristics in even the BASE version, than Raven OR Franken S/3 'plaid.' Not to mention an actual adaptive regenerative system that works WITH the brakes, and not INSTEAD of them. Where the S loses regen due to either temp extremes or too much use, the Taycan doesn't. And it can be caned without overheating...something the S and 3 can't do without special track-only tires and wheels and an extra coolant loop running.
And the Taycan is a production road car, not a track day variant.
Porsche will be a major player in the EV space. This is going to filter downstream to Audi and VW.
Audi will make a version of the Taycan tech in the E-Tron GT model. I hope Audi aims for Grand Touring rather than the race car specs of the Taycan Turbo S, to keep price reasonable.
Guess were all the money they spent at le mans went.
Audi, VW, Porsche will share their parts and it will be as good as now
It's hard to say who will be major player but Mercedes have much bigger chance and experience than Porsche.
Is it twice as good as a fully loaded Model S? It's twice the price.
Oliver Wunsch its not even at par with Tesla, only probably thing better than Tesla is fit & finish, and that too i am not sure of, becoz recent Tesla’s has great fit & finish....
@@3107karan Fit and finish, better quality control, service network, all things an established automaker can do an upstart cannot. And they all matter in consumer satisfaction.
Irrelevant. It's a Porsche. If everything was predicated on price, Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Roll-Royce etc would not exist, but as it stands they all make fantastic profits. Unlike Tesla which only makes fantastic losses.
Taycan also has thrice the build quality of a Model S.
@@buzzhawk and complete lack of consumer satisfaction is why the upstart has already sold more than 550k cars. Ah no. Maybe that isn't it.
Most of Tesla buyers spend around 50k for their car with more range and better charging network....this beautiful high performance Taycan starting from 150k and only has 230 miles rangr. Why should Tesla be worried?
Why should Tesla "Be Very Worried?" There's nothing very groundbreaking here.
mcgaurya000 because some people don't like Tesla.
800 Volt architecture is pretty significant. That's the reason Tesla just sent a prototype to the Ring with 3 motors, active aero, custom suspension, wheels, brakes... and it still broke down. Tesla has to move to an all-new electrical architecture to match performance.
After these reading these 3 replies......
Why should Tesla be worried again?🤣
Peder Hansen Tesla’s safety ratings are better, their faster, and cost less......in what way is Porsche ACTUALLY making better cars?🤣🤣🤣
@@Sheepleton Some people don't like Porsche. Porsche should be very worried. - This kind of deduction is pure nonsense.
Model S has 100mi more per charge, faster 0-60, seat 5+2, double storage space, lift back, autopilot, superchargers and cost 100k less. One big screen is better than one little screen imo. Taycan is a nice car and a panamera kill rather than a Tesla killer
Tesla is not worried
You never said why Tesla should be "very worried". Honestly, as a Tesla owner, the only thing this car has that I would want is the much stronger regen, though I would prefer it to be all on the "go" pedal and leave the brake pedal for friction braking. I don't want adjustable regen - I want max regen, all the time, and I'll adjust it myself with how much throttle lift-off I do, just like now. In fact, every EV driver I know uses max regen, so I think this adjustable regen fad (especially on the paddles. wtf?) is going to disappear in a couple years.
Anyway- I would say that the Taycan looks like a great choice, but I think it's too expensive for what you get. They're charging Tesla Roadster prices for Tesla model 3 performance. Sorry, not impressed. My car buying dollars are still heading Tesla's way.
Tesla is nothing more than a customer deposit-churning Ponzi scheme and their days are numbered. The Roadster announcement was nothing more than their attempt to have enough cash to live for another few months.
@@brakesforsnakes757 It's weird - I've been driving a car for 6 years made by a fraudulent company? Is this just my imagination?
@@ColinFox Some people give to the church for their whole life and think nothing about it and others simply buy Teslas. I'm a big fan of the underlying tech and how they grew their Supercharger network but that's about it. Elon has simply flown too close to the sun and a lot of that has to do with his rabid fan base. A proper humbling is in order.
They are only making 20-40k cars, why worry? Also, I don't live near a racetrack.
less then 20k, 20 000 is whan porsche showed the "model E" i think it was called the Taycan looks like crap compared to it..lol so less then 20k
Only 1% of Taycans will See the track...same as all other Porsches.
Especially the GT-Models...you See them in town but neverk on a track or on freeroads.
@@raupenimmersatt6906 So it's a lower range, lower speed Tesla? Take into account they took the biggest battery they could gett and then locked a % of it to make it better for the track (Tesla dose not do that cause they don't wan't a low range car). So the entire Taycan is a big mess.. What i understod it as was they built the Taycan to prove that they could beat Tesla in Nurburg and the same day the broke the record Tesla showed upp with some of it's hidden technology and whent *slam* with the hammer here is 22 secounds faster then your new record oh, and btw next week we will do 37 secounds faster, cause why not. Tesla has been devoloping tech to improve EV's for what 15 years ? Porsch just started today and has to dump money on this and go with big losses untill they catch upp while Tesla sitts cosy with all it's patterns they made over the last 15 years. No company can challange them on the Tech side, best bett is like Taycan sell it on a "look" that there fans like aka 911 (and its cheaper then the model E that was promised). so ye, still prosche lost 6 billions, gl.
True :)
@@epicscoreCS2 Lol, tesla making a fast lap with a completely modified, emptied and tuned prototype far from being production ready. Only to beat a near-production spec base 2019 Porsche. The difference in tyres alone explains a lot of this time difference, put the same sticky tyres to the Porsche and it will do it without a sweat.
This guys doesn’t talk with his hands, HE SHOUTS WITH THEM!! Like his caps lock is stuck ON.
lol
The Taycan is a hot car, but I'll stick with my Tesla until I have enough throw away income to buy this as a toy instead of a primary car.
My dual motor Model 3 is almost as fast and I can buy three of them for the price of the least expensive Taycan.
I feel bad for Alex: giving this car back after the test must have been really depressing.
Didn't Tesla beat Porsche a couple of days ago on the Nürburgring? Well, at least that's what the Germans themselfs say.
A stripped-out, highly modified prototype Model S with aftermarket additions and semi-slick tyres. No other manufacturer attempts to claim records with Frankenstein prototypes. By all means come back and set a record when the car is in production guise, but any record set with a stripped dev-mule will be (justifiably) laughed at by the motoring industry and by enthusiasts with any knowledge and appreciation of motor vehicles. I sincerely hope they do come back in 12 months (when Elon says the "Plaid" version of the car will be available) and set a record with a representative example of the final production vehicle. Competition is good.
Alex was BORN to do this! Thanks, Roman!
The latest CleanTechnica article just made a good point. The latest attempt by Tesla on the Ring with its Plaid mode Model S put Porsche in a very worrying spot.
The Taycan's record time on the Ring was intentionally set below their own ICE top dog Panamera trim so not to disrupt their sales. To meet or exceed Tesla's claim, Porsche must first undermine their own ICE lineup. So who should be more worried?
I’d rather have 26 3” screens in my house than one big 60” tv screen, said no one ever.
Nice car, but this isn’t a direct threat to Tesla, it’s a 911 killer, and has the price tag to match. I hope they sell a ton of them.
Does this car has self driving capability? In this day and age, self driving capability is the trend of the future!
Self driving is not ready for prime time. It has lead to 4 deaths in the Tesla.
@Seawolf the Tesla system isn't ready for prime time. How useful is it when you can't trust it to take over the driving? The Porsche has level 3 autonomous driving so how much more useful is an autopilot you can't fully trust? It is not like you can read a book and have a meal while the car takes over.
@@almac9203 , yes 4 deaths for the Tesla? How many die daily from human error?! I bet that would exceed 4 in a day, easily!!!
@@MM-gg3rg Self Driving mode should not be killing people, should it? More people die from human error because of 99.9% of the cars on the road don't use self-driving modes. If the Tesla system can't be relied on then it is worthless. When the Tesla system allows the driver to watch a video and eat dinner then it is something magical until then it is just a fancy cruise control that is not a major selling point.
Turbo doesn’t only apply to internal combustion engines Remember the “turbo” feature on early computers? And I have a not uncommon “turbo oven”.
Yeah, I'm not sure Porsche wants to be drawing comparisons to obsolete appliances. They'll drop the turbo moniker fairly soon, I'm sure.
@@78katz the comparison is to other Turbo models from Porsche, obviously, not to microwaves or computers.
0-60 2.6 secs (quoted from Porsche). Sure it will be 2.1-2.3 secs when mags test it, and repeatable all day, as all their other vehicles.
MSL525 😂😂 Why’s it so hard to get over the fact that Tesla destroys Porsche for 1/3 the price.. dropping half a second off their quotes.. talk about a reach
Stay tunned. We have numbers tested in Germany with 1 foot of roll-out on Tuesday...
@@AAutoBuyersGuide
Thanks Alex!
Look forward to it.
@@brettcotton9534
You obviously know thing about Porsche, Noob. Not surprising, as I'm sure you knew nothing about cars before Tesla.
Please don't respond until after the mags do their 0-60 testing (since that's the parameter Teslarati hang onto for dear life). Then get back to us, if you have the nerve.
@@msl5253 I don't need to.. You're comparing a modified S at half the price to a beefed up Taycan caliming it's "factory".. Compare the 200k Roadster 2.0 and the Turbo S at 185k.. Oh wait.. *insert excuse after excuse*
This is a stunningly beautiful car! The body fit and finish is top notch. Light years ahead of Tesla. Lots of interesting new EV tech too. Maybe it’s time for Tesla to revisit the multi-gear transmission and regenerative braking for the model S & X now that that technology and hardware has improved. This Taycan appears to be every bit Porsche in both spirit and function. I like this one much more than the Panamera.
Man can we stop with the Tesla should be worried narrative? How about the ICE vehicle should be very worried? That is Tesla's only competition. Glad to see the Taycan finally arriving but Tesla isn't going anywhere.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ right.. but fuel prices are the same from the 60's? just stop lol...
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ Alright. Let us discuss. Can you explain to me what about the EV is a "trendy scam"? Here in MN you can charge an EV off peak at around 4 cents per kwh. Which means for the price of one gallon of gasoline (2.59 in MN), you could get around 259 miles of range in a model 3. Anything that keeps money in my pocket and out of the big oil or government taxes doesn't sound like much of a scam to me. Historically, it has seemed to me that big oil is the one scamming everyone else. I assume you must be American since you think gas is so cheap. If it weren't for government subsidies, you'd be paying more like $5-6 per gallon at the pump. Buying an EV would be the most logical thing you could do.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ I guess when it comes to most EVs you get a vehicle that will save you money in the long run. Who wouldn't want that? If you put 100,000 miles on a model 3 it'll cost you roughly $1500 to $5000 for the electricity. Now say 100,000 miles on a 25mpg vehicle. You're looking at roughly $10,360 for the same distance (2.59 per gallon). That's $5000+ right in your pocket, not to mention no oil changes and less break pad changes due to regen braking. You also brought up the fact that it has less parts, I would chalk that up as another plus. Less things that can go wrong. As far as polluting...yes there are many states that still run mostly on coal and driving an EV isn't nearly as clean as you'd think. But the grid is getting more green by day, which will hopefully lead to an emissions free future for cars that civilians can drive. It's a start. Nice point about planes and ships though. Definitely will be tough to tackle those. Flying a plane and having a kid are like the two worse things you can do to your carbon footprint.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ Not sure how we went from EV talk to that racist commentary. I feel sorry you, mate. I really do.
@ϟϟ White Wolf ϟϟ You could have been referring to Arabs. Thanks for clarifying. For someone who despises Islam, I'm shocked you don't support EVs to the fullest. If the world were to fully go electric tomorrow, Saudi Arabia and Iran would go broke. But you go ahead and keep filling your car with some of their oil. I'm sure they're thankful for it.
With my model 3 I use regen 90 percent of the time already unless I need to stop from 5 mph. The kicker is that I do not even have to move my foot and use the break pedal at all until I stop for the last 5 mph. I do not know what he is talking about. The Tesla regen system is more convenient and does exactly what it is supposed to. I do not want the regen system to vary and be changed. It is what it should be. Porsche is full of nonsense.
I waited 17 minutes to see "why Tesla should be very worried". I only found reasons why Tesla shouldn't be worried at all and how the Model S is better in every way.
50% more than a Tesla, not quite as aero as a Tesla, 30% less range, less interior space, less truck space... why is Tesla supposed to be worried? It's an interesting car with Panamera-like styling that you will either love or hate and no doubt perhaps a few Porsche fans will buy one, but all it will really accomplish is to further validate the concept of luxury EVs, with most people opting for the Tesla S, until something MB or BMW come pout with comparable cars in the $80-110K range.
Porsche has to install a turbo to make its “turbo” claim legit.
They dont have to:
From turbine, from Latin turbo (“spinning top”).
turbo-
1. Turbine-related
2. Accelerated, more robust, souped-up
Think about it: For that much money, wouldn't you get a Tesla Roadster 2.0? I believe most people would say definitely yes. So the question then is, what is Porsche trying to do here?
I like to be able to move my air vent while I'm driving instantly with a knob.
Stop playing with your knob
The best electric car ever. Congratulations Porsche, it's only your first shot.
The Taycan does not compete with Tesla on size, comfort or practicality. It likely will not compete well on price and charging network either.
The Tesla can't compete on driving dynamics and performance yet. Both are great cars, but they are for different people. Tesla are for the Techies. The Porsche is for the Driver.
A 911 doesn't compete well with a Camry on those metrics either. Not the point.
The design???
Starting at 150k, not including floor mats and charge cable. If you walk out of the dealer with what you want for under 170k, congrats.
We don't have such dealer problems in Europe.
_"Here's Why Tesla Should Be Very Worried!"_
Taycan S: $187,610 ... 240 miles ... 2.6 sec ... 16.8 ft3... _and a Porsche hood crest emblem._
Model S: $114,000 ... 370 miles ... 2.4 sec ... 28.4 ft3... Autopilot, OTA, 7 seats, hatchback, Supercharger Network, ...
Also, the Taycan has 4 seats... lol
Haha quoting the brochure like most. Just drive the Taycan and you know why.
You're forgetting one is a Porsche....one is a Tesla lol Porsche name by itself makes up for price. Wealthy buyers that are looking for a EV are likely gonna go with the Porsche.
In Europe, we have the ionity Charger with 350kw. While they are not as wide spread as Tesla supercharger, their charging network is pretty competitive and especially faster than the supercharger.
Thats like saying the BMW X7 should worry about the bentley Bentayga. The buyers aren't in the same market.
The Panamera needs this front facia treatment👍
Manuel Munoz No because it wouldn’t make the Taycan unique anymore
No, it's needs the rear end. The Panamera has a decent looking front, it's back however, ugh.
Keep the headlights round
Panamera needs more cooling
Linus A The Panamera’s back looks almost identical to the Taycan though?
The Taycan is 'setting a point' with 800V technology - another benefit of lower currents during accelleration and fast charging is a longer life of the Li-Ion battery...
800 V has benefit for thinner cabling, and less losses in cables, inverters and motors. However for the battery itself it is no different, they are still made of Li-ion cells each with ~3.7 V nominal voltage.
@@rif42 Yes, but Taycan is running with 340 A max. (270 kW) - Tesla typically with 500 A for 'only' 200 kW @ Ionity = that's a difference...
@@frankr9728 Careful. Lower current (by higher voltage) is important for cables, inverters and motors. However for the battery it is build as a number of cells in series multiplied by number of cells in parallel. Cell current is divided by number of cells in parallel. How much current a Li-ion cell can take very much depend on size and cooling. We do not have the specs of the cells so it is not possible to estimate how much higher power it would be able to charge with.
Good grief. Exactly why should Tesla be worried? For $50,000-$100,000 more, I can get significantly less range, significantly less utility, silly nomenclature-and all the respect that aging, gold necklace-wearing Porsche-lessee’s are (now) known for. Of course this won’t be a true TFL comparison until one of you backs it in to a garage.
Wow! Spoken like a broke person. Tesla's don't sell due to their practicality; They have always sold due to their novelty. What happens when others join the fold? Tesla's novelty diminishes. Sure, you'll have some cult followers, but at this price, prestige is still huge and the latest eye candy will win. Tesla better have some tricks up it's sleeves. A 7 year old design can only sustain for so long, even with top motch tech upgrades.
Hahaha-spoken like a guy talking out of his ass who’s never going to get behind the wheel of either car. Tricks up its sleeve? At every metric, Tesla as it is out performs the Porsche. If you mean it’s time for a cosmetic refresh after seven years, you’re right, but that’s no “trick:” It’s a given in the industry. “Cult” followers? HA! Is there anyone more cultist then a Porsche owner? And by the way, last year Porsche-an 88 year old company-with six available models sold around 256,000 worldwide. Tesla, a sixteen year old company with three models, sold 245,000. This year, Tesla will leave them in the dust. Porsche would give its left nut for that kind of novelty. (Is that your gold chain I hear rattling?)
To be clear for the rest of you, there’s no question that the Porsche EV is an excellent luxury car, and for $185,000 it’d better be. But a threat to Tesla? How?
PS: If I had a nickel for every old guy in a Porsche who challenged me and was left weeping in my rear view mirror, I’d be a considerably less-broke owner of a Model S. 😉
@@PtBm2975 haha Patrick just let them be. It is AMAZING tho how much Tesla hate is out there. For the price of a Model S Performance AND a 911, I don't think I would want a Taycan.
Qubo Guo You’re right, Qubo, I should let it go. : ) But I can’t resist one more...
Three words, Terrence: Exclusive Supercharging Infrastructure. When I’m out road tripping, I’ll smile when I see $185,000 “Turbos” queued up in Walmart parking lots along the highway, awaiting their turns at sometimes-working public chargers. Ah, the novelty! Ah, the prestige!
I own a Porsche (Cayenne) and I find this thing RIDICULOUSLY over-engineered. That and the fairly meager 250 mile range are not making me desirous.
I think the Taycan is aimed at enthusiasts who want an electric sports sedan, not dads who desire a Porsche branded station wagon.
That was a pretty crappy review and title considering there's no driving commentary. Why exactly should Tesla be worried?
I guess you did not reach the part in the video where he said there was an embargo on talking about how the car drives.
Of course I heard it. But you can't have a title like that without explaining how it drives.
@@dyhppyx That's 21st century motor journalism for you. What's the point on holding back certain information anyway to the public? Certainly driving dynamics will not change. I don't get it either.
Devin Bender you need to hit all the haters simultaneously and hard. So you let them hate for awhile before you slap them around.
Tesla's regen braking IS variable. When I first got my P85D I too thought that not having integrated regen with the braking pedal was a disadvantage since my Prius had that. I just didn't realize until I started driving it that the way Tesla implemented it meant that I could drive with one pedal almost never touch the brake and I can still brake pretty hard just by lifting off the throttle all the way....or brake lightly by lifting only part way. Much less driver fatigue than having to physically press the brake pedal all the time.
Wow, the first actual review i've seen of the Taycan, my favourite car so far, thank you !
So compared to the model S it's the same size outside, but much smaller inside?
Correct. Plus a couple hundred pounds heavier...
About the same size as the model 3.. inside
Why they always advertise Tesla for Free???
So how much did Porsche pay you to post this comment?
@@TFLcar You are just desperate for views