As for the first story, NEVER Wear noise-canceling earphones while walking. At all! Or even loud music. You can’t hear anyone around you, and can’t hear cars coming. It’s very dangerous.
You can wear them in the house and during commuting to wherever you are going, bus, plane, tram, metro. But not while walking. I wore them once walking, and felt uneasy. First time I wore such noiseless headphones I got the feeling I was dancing while walking and that everyone can hear the music... very weird feeling. Nevertheless, I use them only in public transport, at home I have a sound system ready to rock the whole neighborhood (but I use it reasonably too, so that my neighbors won't get irritated).
Re: Story #1 As someone who works in Skid Row in Los Angeles, I have run into many homeless people who once held interesting positions--lawyers (even a former judge), touring musicians of popular artists, businessmen... It wouldn't be much of a stretch to believe someone who was once in the medical field is now homeless. Mental illness and drug addiction can affect nearly anyone. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that all homeless people were always destitute.
Yes, your are right. Anyone can become a homeless addict with mental illnesses. In terms of former profession, I have met long-time homeless addicts who were animal veterinarians, drop out medical students and slaughter house workers. PS: Have you ever watched the Soft White Underbelly RUclips channel? Its mostly about Skid Row.
Of course they aren't! So true. Especially now with the constant barrage of EVERYTHING that could ruin your life hitting all at once. Very scary times.😣
Hey fellow Skid Row worker, you're 100% correct about this. I once had a homeless gentleman follow me for two blocks on Main muttering about not liking a clinic doctor. There's 100s more like him and 100s who are worsr
The first story absolutely breaks my heart. My heart goes out to Emma; I can't imagine finding the love of your life and dog in such a horrible way. May Katie and Bowie rest in peace.
Exactly. Seeing Katie in that pic where Bowie is making the cutest scaredy-cat face. Knowing that Emma probably snapped that priceless moment, man… that hurt my heart. It’s tragic. How do you go on with life after your world’s been shattered like that? Huge hug for Emma.
Yeah I live near Piedmont park and ironically those of us who live in Atlanta didn't get a huge amount of details, so I never understood how utterly gruesome the case was. Unfathomable to have been either of them.
its disturbing what people sometimes do to others. I have a feeling the person attacked the dog first, probably inflicting mortal wounds to him before she even heard them or realized what was happening.
I think Katie's case was something personal. Cuttings on her rainbow tattoo, carving "fat" to her body, literally slicing her face... These are all felt really personal to me. It could be impulsive but it must be a known person to Katie.
@Jayson Raphael Murdock Ikr?? The way he was describing it, that seemed very possible!! Especially the explanation about the dog breed and them needed to know the attacker to get so close...that's really sad. For her and the other young woman slan around the same time.
The fact that she had a pit bull with her and was still attacked this brutally- in a public space-is extremely unnerving. Most opportunistic killers target victims that have as few obstacles as possible. I really hope this psycho is found and justice served to her and her loved ones.
I recently looked into it there have been absolutely no updates and honestly it seems like the police haven’t bothered to try and keep this case going they say they have but it has been almost what a year now and they still havent found a single suspect which i call BS, start looking for people who have some kind of medical training who knew her and her parent!! They KNEW she was in a same sex relationship and targeted her for that fact or knew to make it LOOK like a hate crime…and unless they knew her personally or had been following her for awhile how would her killer just KNOW she was gay??
I've been homeless and there are a surprising amount of ex-professionals who lost everything and just gave up, lost their license to do whatever they did, or got heavy into drugs, it really can happen to anybody.
@@spiritmatter1553 Occasionally homeless guy says 'it can happen to anyone' He's wrong. And I found it funny that people are so ignorant that they end up thinking 'being homeless can happen to ANYONE!!' Ridiculous. It's a troubling belief to have.
@explorer exactly - life is stressful, and sadly some of the most common "escapes" only serve to make things worse in the long run. It can take one last thing to push you over the edge...
Thanks for covering Katie and Bowie’s story. I live in Atlanta and I am one block away from Piedmont Park where her life was taken. It’s a horrible story but I am thankful to people like you who bring awareness ❤️
To me, it feels like someone who knew Katie. It looked like her back tattoo would have been covered by clothing. So if it was targeted, someone knew she had it. That combined with the facial damage just makes my feeling that much stronger. I wondered if it were a hate crime. I just can't see a random attacker making it a point to obliterate her face.
I agree with you. I think that the perp knew Katie... He knew that she was gay, and he hated her for that... Maybe he had a crush on Emma, or on Katie herself, or he was just a crazy h0m0ph0bic b@st@rd... Nothing seems random in this crime... He knew that she had a rainbow tattoo on her back, he disfigured her and carved F A T on her torso... And Bowie didn't react aggressively, like he knew the person... It's like he was seeking vengeance on her personally... What a shame.
The carving of the letters definitely implies she was killed for whovever or whatever F A T is. Meaning this could have been some kind of revenge killing that was only personal to her life. Also possible though is this is a wannabe serial killer leaving a 'tag' on their crime. If the rainbow tattoo was not visible, the multiple stabs to her back might have been to try and paralyse her...but yeah....Catherine Eddowes told people she knew who Jack the Ripper was and ended up being the first victim to have a mutilated face.
Yeah that first murder sounds very personal.. but never go stroll walking in a park at midnight wearing headphones, man or woman, with or without a dog. And if you have to walk at night bring some kind of protection and stay in well lit areas..
It seems quite clear that the first murder was not personal. She was fighting off the guy and almost definitely had DNA from the perp on her person. If it were someone close to the victim then they would have caught them. I could be wrong, but to me, I’m not getting “personal” from it.
@@staceythomasharding agreed. I don't know about the DNA thing but I do think it could've just as easily been a stranger who saw Katie, didn't like her appearance and then targeted her because of that. They carved "f a t" into her skin and targeted her pride tattoo so I think it was a misogynistic homophobe who saw Katie and got deeply offended and enraged by her mere existence. That would also explain why it seems so personal. It obviously could be someone she knows as well but I think it was a wrong time wrong place situation. Regardless I really hope they catch them. Katie and Bowie deserve justice.
@@mrcountchoculitis3284 wtf is your problem?? This is an innocent human being who got brutally murdered, potentially because of their sexuality, and this is your response? More homophobia? Agreeing with a murderer? Are you a psychopath?
You just as naive as the narrator, huh? They weren't some sweet innocent elder couple. They had done something to someone to initiate all of this. Also, why wait until the 3rd time your home is ransacked to call the cops? The only logical reason would be because they have something to hide. Thinking that some rando is going to invest this much effort and risk on some complete strangers on nothing more than a whim is preposterous
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 Sounds like you're the naive one; scammers, and violent crimes against the elderly is shockingly common. They're weaker, and much more vulnerable, and if you don't have morals, thats a perfect target.
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 damn, didn't know people were going around accusing others of warranting their own harassments and possible deaths, even if they did do something to someone at some point that wouldn't warrant this baseless discussion over what is ostensibly the crime someone else is committing . The fact that Dorothy would get up and allow a stranger into her home when she is alone and reovering from a surgery shows enough of their character to at least somewhat testify for them.
@@MontySlython that's not character, Tonto. That's a fundamental lack of common sense. But nice try. And you assume that nothing could have warranted this. I challenge that. What if they were personally responsible for Jeffrey Epstein getting the sweetheart deal he got the first time he was convicted of 60+ counts of diddling and the person doing the harassing were the parent of a child he was only able to diddle because he got away with it the first time?
There are a lot of people with medical training that are predatory. Doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals aren't above sick desires and impulses just because they are educated in the medical field.
I don’t know about a lot, I’d say most ppl in the medical field pick that profession to help others but there certainly are people like George Hill Hodel Jr. who was the physician who killed (and cut meticulously in half) Elizabeth Short aka The Black Dahlia
The first story seems unlikely that a random attacker jumped her. It sounds premeditated. You said she routinely took the dog out for a walk. It's possible she had a stalker, watching her over a period of time and waiting for their opportunity. The killer was some sicko with fantasies of murder and plotted a means to live out their urges.
Right? And if it was a serial killer thing we would know about more attacks, more victims. The attack screams rage and the only way to get that without a personal connection (imo) is through a serial killer mindset. Since it doesn't fit that, it HAS to be personal.
@@johnnymo4000 Partner was at work though, with multiple witnesses. Also would have been next to impossible for her to get to the park without being caught on a camera, even if all the cameras in the park were down.
@@AllieAllieOxenFree21 I haven't seen any information weather or not she was seen on camera or not. It's very possible she could have been dressed up. I also didn't see anything marking her supposed exact time of death only the last footage of her, and supposedly when the partner got off. You claim that it would be impossible to not get seen on cameras in the park even though they where all down....I'm not sure how to respond to that but I disagree. Still think it's highly possible it was her partner, but again I'm not an internet expert so we can ultimately agree to disagree.
That fact that ALL 9 cameras were non functional in the park is extremely frustrating. I would have tried to sue the state, if there was any avenue to do so. Such blatant incompetence from the city.
Sue the state? That would be a huge waste of money. Your city is not legally obligated to have and maintain cameras in public spaces. The suit would be dismissed immediately.
Katie’s story definitely screams the culprit being more than one person to me. She was in a park, had a pitbull that no doubt tried to protect her, there’s no way one attacker could’ve done that much damage. They knew about the tattoo, indicating knowledge of her or maybe someone (like an ex) knew her, and given the time frame and circumstances (ie the cameras somehow not working), it had to have been planned to some degree. The initials being carved into her while she was alive, the face brutalization, all of that tells me her death was meant to be torturous for her and to send a message of some kind to others, not some random attack.
The first story is exactly why I don't wear earphones anymore when walking anywhere, there was a car collison right behind me once and I didn't even realize it till I got to the crosswalk and looked back the way I came. Car could've plowed me and the last thing I'd ever remember would have been White Wedding-Billy Idol.
I walk to work, stores etc all the time and I often have headphones in, but just one earbud. What's even more important is just being specially aware at all times. Crossing streets, even at crosswalks! And when going through dark areas especially.
I only ever wear the one ear bud. It lets me hear around me, but I can still indicate I’m listening to music to get strangers to stop trying to talk to me.
I believe that Nick's kids were somehow instructed by Nick himself to hire a private investigator after they ran off, so that it looks like they were murdered, and that's why the kids were not cooperative. It's all a cover to make it seem like they have died, so that their enemies go on with their business and not look for them any further
A person with medical knowledge could definitely be homeless. It can happen to anyone when their life falls apart. What about a homeless veteran? Sadly there are thousands of those, could have been a medic, came back from combat with mental health issues that the VA Hospital didn't deal with, as happens frequently. Just spitballing.
Just to say : my mother told me the story of one of the homeless men in my city, he was a respected surgeon, then one day his wife and daughter died in a car accident, he started heavily drinking, lost his job, spent all of his money on alcohol and now he's been on the streets for maybe 15 or 20 years (I don't know the timeline of event but he seems to have been there for quite a while) unable to get past that. The possibility of someone with medical expertise being homeless is very real
In the third story, as horrible as the torment was, it is so wholesome to know that even through all the physical and psychological abuse they endured, they still died naturally and not from being murdered🙏 And go Dorothy for recovering from open heart surgery and two head injuries!
@bvarino100197 Because it was a hoax. The wife was possibly doing this for attention, the husband eventually found out and out of embarrassment never publicly mentioned any of it. None of the case adds up. In reality strangers don't stalk people like this for an eternity, return things they stole, and manage to invisibly sneak past people posted as guards.
Please don't wear headphones when walking alone and take something with you to defend yourself, and don't walk through desolate areas like parks. You seriously never know! Stay safe and stay vigilant.
Stories like that really make me glad I live in the german countryside. I don't even lock my car, there's literally zero crime here, unlike in the cities.
@@rogthepirate4593 Oh lord I'd still lock your doors, you never know lol people are crazy these days! I've always wanted to explore the German countryside!
@Princess Haraz33 Just be super careful and aware of things around you, some people target those who have headphones in because it's an easy target. If you're in a public place with people around you're less likely to run into issues.
On Katie and Bowie, just some guild guesses to add: the killer could have been watching their late walkings for a few days, or even weeks. Might have followed her home, seen her with her fiancé, noticed Bowie was shy, noticed she had earphones on all the time, and on that night felt confident enough to attack. Or it could have been someone that was at the place Katie's fiancé worked, that followed Katie and Bowie when they left. Someone that, as Lazy said, already knew them and harbored awful feelings for the couple.
Re: the Wackers, I'm surprised that no one checked out telephone company employees and their relatives, who could have easily have tracked every change of number.
What they should have done after the first assault is arm themselves with more than kitchen knives, bought better locks, installed a security system (if possible), and begged the police to run a stakeout. Two men sitting in the front seat with binoculars are much more obvious than a cop sitting in the back of a van watching through a peephole camera or tinted windows. As a former PI, I’ve very rarely failed to spot a person approaching or leaving a house, and in the handful of times I did, the other team saw them. Whoever had it out for them obviously felt it was personal, but who or why is anybody’s guess. It could have been a neighbor who thought they backed into their car, or someone they didn’t pay, or it could have been just some nutjob trying to entertain himself. We’ll probably never know.
@@robertbeard6380 Yeah, it feels like they didn't do enough. Even if they did nothing like get better locks or arm themselves, why didn't the police do a stakeout? This is as much the Wacker's fault as it is their local police agency's for not insisting on doing such a thing.
The first case was anything but a random attack, who in the right mind would go after a woman with a large pit bull and think they would come out unscathed? This horrible bastard was familiar to both Katie and the doggo for sure 😢
It wasn't "large", it was small and timid. And to answer your question "who": someone who thought they can take on a pitbull. So you can probably rule children out on this one.
@@chrisybxxx just a thought, but maybe she was one of those body positivity weirdos. They are pretty annoying, and very vocal about their nonsense. Maybe she was wearing a shirt that said something like "I'm not fat, I'm curvy" and the killer wanted to set the record straight. 🤷♂️. The fact that she formed her entire identity off of her characteristics further supports my theory
I live about 20 miles north of where the first story happened last year. It's interesting that many people jump to the conclusion that this was a stranger when many things point to it being personal. The dog may have been familiar with the person and that many stab wounds indicates it was personal. Remember, besides the fact that over 90% of people are murdered by someone they know, it is extremely rare for a serial killer to take a lot of time with a victim unless it's in a secluded space like a home or building. There seems to be major rage behind this. Tori Lang case happened in the county I live in and totally different in nature and not really that close to this story. She was shot and left for dead and her car stolen and later the car was found in another county burning.
@@glamdolly30 It is possible that it was a stranger, but if it were an opportunistic kill why would the killer waste so much time stabbing her so many times and even cutting her tattoo? Wouldn't they just kill and run? Anyway here is my theory. Katie was stalked by this person. There is no way he/she just came across her just that night. This person knew her route and her routine, and even knew Bowie was friendly. This person could be a stranger to Katie, but I truly believe the perpetrator "knew" her in some way.
I think this case it was a stranger. Likely a homeless person who was either on drugs or just suffering from a mental episode. I walk a lot for work and even during the day the homeless around where I live are SUPER aggressive and have been known to attack passersby for no reason at all. Recently a tourist was attacked with a damn machete!
@@fc7307 Yeah, they either knew her or it was a stranger who had stalked her. It just bothers me... looking at the shirt she was wearing, her tattoo should not have shown. The killer wouldn't had known about her tattoo unless they knew her or they had seen her before. That keeps sticking in my mind. Then the carving of "fat" onto her... that just seems... personal. Idk, it's interesting. A hate crime no matter what it seems like. Whether for her being a woman, LGBTQ+, or a plus sized body. Something triggered them and it's one of those 3 things. Or maybe just a opportunistic killer.
If her fiance was a man, he would be a prime suspect and comments on this case would be so different. She knew that Katie was in the park, she found them, she was all over the crime scene, touching dog and her fiance. Lack of reaction from Bowie and Katie until it was to late... I'm sure that police cleared her first, this is just really wild theory based on fiance being a man
@@dzekadzenan6977 Interesting theory but Lazy explained how she knew where they were. Her killing her own dog seems very bizarre as well and she doesn't seem to have the motive whatsoever here. It's natural that she touched the scene because her dog was in a trash bag and she had to verify it was him. Overall not very convincing.
"Your lights are a laugh" and "do you in" are both phrases I grew up hearing in the Western US however it was mainly used by people that were WW2 and Baby Boomer generation and not usually heard or used by people growing up after the late 1970's-1980's
I’ve grown up in stark county my whole life and I want to say “do you in” is definitely something I haven’t heard, but I have heard the occasional “____ is a laugh”. The thing that doesn’t make sense to me is if the man was British, wouldn’t Dorothy think to mention that to the police?? It would be incredibly noticeable.
First story is so scary and upsetting. Obviously it can happen to anyone but it's particularly dangerous to be a woman out walking alone. Not just at nighttime but nearly anywhere, at anytime. It's sad and I wish I could feel safe doing so. Also there were NINE security cams in the park and NONE of them were working?! That's egregious.
Yes, the camera part is crazy. And how long had they been down? Was it a known issue that the cameras didn't work? I think it's time to research this case cuz I have a few questions at this point
It's so frustrating. It seems women can't do anything without being attacked. A friend of mine was assaulted in a park in the middle of the damn day and people told her she shouldn't have done that. You can't go out at night, during the day and going home isn't an option bc you never know. It's a sick joke.
I stopped wearing headphones walking alone after my own little experience, albeit nothing like the first heartbreaking story. I was walking in the bush in the middle of day near a village of 100 people, and 60 miles from any other city in all directions. This was in the massive wilderness of BC Canada. Anyways, I've done this route a million times, no issue. But one of the days, about half an hour in and I was coming to a bend in the trail. All of a sudden I had a dreadful feeling of being watched. I stopped, pulled out my headphones and scanned the area. Nothing but trees for miles. A gust of wind picked up, and I got the immediate dreadful smell of rotting flesh. I high tailed it out of there immediately. My guess is I stumbled on a cougars kill (probably in a tree). Never wore headphones again. Absolutely spooked
Probably a Sasquatch. People say that when one appears, they suddenly get the stench of sulphur and rotting flesh. And the forest gets really quiet, and they get the feeling of being watched.
For case 1: I think the killer must have live nearby the park, I mean how else can you kill someone, with your clothes cover in blood and no one noticed you. Not to mention the killer must have known the camera in the park were not working and they have knowledge of which camera was actually working.
@@split-wb7bg Unlikely, they are monitored and powered at an off site location. So unless they cut a power line (they couldn't have) there isn't a chance they did that
I was thinking the exact same thing, but not necessarily that night. This seemed premeditated and stalker-ish. I do think, that they will have been at that bar and saw an interaction between Katie and her fiancé that revealed them to be a couple. Angered at the sight, the perp now had a motive to go after Katie and must've known where her walk route was, maybe because they over heard her saying it to her fiancé. Clearly them being LGBT is a part of the motive, given the incessant stabbing to her lower back. I highly doubt that she knew who this person was as well. Just my two cents.
Exactly, and maybe she told them that she was going to walk her dog when she got home and knew she would be in the park. Side note: why would anyone where noise canceling headphones at night?
@@ThatsabigfatNo unfortunately some people don’t understand the reality of how vulnerable they truly are, she said she always felt safe on her walks and the truth is she was just ignorant. Not blaming her but it’s just the truth.
In the third case, the reason the perpetrator would want to disguise his handwriting is because it was distinctive enough that someone in the Wacker family would easily recognize it. Someone very close to the family was the perpetrator.
and that also explains how the person always knew their phone number when it was changed. I would assume they would tell all of their close friends and family their new number. It had to be one of them for sure. Also explains how the person got to the front door to leave the note without being seen. If they were supposed to be watching the front door then it was easy.
If that were the case, then why didn't Dorothy recognise the person who attacked her, and do an identikit drawing of a young man, who obviously was not someone she knew or recognised😕
@@joanneginever1890 Someone that was hired. I think that the attack did not go as planned when she survived and the person behind it changed tacks to avoid another attack that would lay more of a trail to them.
Along those lines I would also take a long hard look at whoever "FOUND" the final note. Not saying that this makes them a guarantee or definite guilty individual but it is a good place to start. From there try to figure where each person was and corroborate there location with every other person there and see who seems more likely or inconsistent. May not work but a start. What up LAZY love your stuff.
For Katie's case, they should look at any of her friends, acquaintances, or perhaps even an ex that would have a job that allows them some kind of knife-cutting skills. Two things are for sure - that was a heated, personal crime and that person knows how to wield a blade. Scary stuff, poor Katie :(
Katie and Emma’s case is heartbreaking to me especially due to my own girlfriend being just as stubborn and having a habit of wearing her headphones all the time. I can’t imagine being Emma and finding your dog and the love of your life like that, and I hope that somehow she can move forward and keep going at the very least.
For Story #1: Ever since I first heard this case I thought besides a "medical professional" the perp could have been someone else who was familiar with knives and carving e.g. someone like a hunter or a butcher. I lean towards hunter because the person was skilled with a knife and was comfortable being around an animal and being able to subdue it.
Yeah, there really aren’t many people with medical backgrounds stalking people in public and killing them. Not to say it’s impossible but it’s usually an “Angel of Death” type thing than a brutal bloody killing.
Katie's murder was so clearly personal. Lots of hugs to Emma. Re: Nick and Lisa, it's very unusual for someone to offer a 10mil investment. I think it was a setup related to the trial and/or his business - it seems they were panicking. That Cayman Island trip is a clue. I hope they're living well in the Maldives or another remote place. As for the Wackers, how horrifying. As it was pre-internet, perhaps their stalker worked at the phone company or had some access to their phone records. It also seems he wanted revenge for something and maybe had the wrong people? Also clear he was watching the house. He did sound British. Never allow a stranger in your home, no matter what!
The first story makes me so sad. Poor Katie/Bowie, and poor Emma. (And yes, NEVER go walking alone with headphones on, especially noise-cancelling ones! Has been true since the days of Sony Walkman.)
Yes! I went to college in Philadelphia in the late 1990's , I remember SO many adults AND children who were ran over by trains because they were WALKING 🚶♂️ in the middle of 🚆 tracks with 🎧 on and could NOT hear the horn of the train and got ran over!! I remember seeing THE most devastated engineer!! The Amtrak went almost 100 miles an hour and takes a long time for it to stop. If it's honking and is not heard, it cannot stop in time to save the person. Same went for the commuter trains. They had to tell people, both children AND grown people to stop walking on train tracks for 1 then stop walking in the middle with noise canceling headphones on!!!
In the first case, Katie may not have known her attacker, but they certainly knew her, based on what was done to her. Maybe it was someone who asked her out and got rejected by her, or maybe it was just some weirdo who obsessed over her from afar, but in any case they hated her enough to destroy her face, and apparently also hated the fact she was gay. So it definitely wasn't some rando. They probably knew her habits and knew she visited that park to walk her dog, and also knew that the security cameras were out. I would have thought this would help the police narrow down suspects, but many of the stories you cover feature police incompetence and corruption, so this is likely another example of that.
I was thinking.. They said Katie always goes to say hi to Emma while she’s at work while along on walks. Could it be a customer/regular from the bar? That could explain quite a bit.
@@Daziesandconfuzed But off of Katie's fashion, it seems that lower back tattoo would have only been seen by those in her small circle...I wonder if she had any exes?
The last case reminds me of the Cindy James case … it also reminds me of this other case I saw on an old episode of forensic files where an elderly couple was getting sick over and over again with no explanation. The police thought it was the husband poisoning his wife and feigning illness but when he died and lethal levels of poison were in his system that theory went. Long story short it ended up being their neighborhood errand boy that just came over to lend a helping hand and be like a surrogate grandson out of the kindness of his heart. He got them to sign some financial documents and then he started picking up their groceries for them as a favor and that’s when he would slip in the poison. So sometimes these cases are just literally people in the background that you would never suspect or even think about and that’s how these type of perps want it. I think it’s important for family and friends to check up on each other and be more present to see who our loved ones are letting into their lives whether it’s a neighbor, handyman, church acquaintance or anyone outside of the normal circle of people cus you never ever know peoples intentions. 😳
The last couple made me think of a case whereby a homeless, not-all-there man constantly, constantly harrassed the owner of the home over a long period of time. Turns out he used to own the house and the back had foreclosed. Perhaps someone wanted them out of the house for whatever reason?
If there's one thing I learned during my years of law enforcement and being a private investigator, is everyone, even the nicest of people, have enemies.
@@glamdolly30 and most murders are still done by someone the victim knows. So, at the very least, at one point, they did have an enemy that would end them. Whether they knew it or not.
@@glamdolly30 I'd bet that many people know people that want and would murder them but the timing just isn't right. It takes one more push, one more bad day, or one more year or two of things building up without letting off steam before someone snaps. Doesn't always happen but I think a lot of people have that person somewhere in their lives. Sometimes it isn't even personal. Many people are on edge than people realize. You can stumble into their life one day and it's just all bad timing.
I'm gonna say that whatever was going on with the Whackers, the note leaver and caller was someone close to the family. Someone who could get the new number easily without rousing suspicion.
How do you think this could make sense? Do you truly believe they wouldn’t be able to tell that the caller (who might I add, there’s no record of them masking their voice) was someone they knew personally on a deep level? Dorothy literally saw the person who attacked her and didn’t give a name. She had no clue. Phone numbers are on a public record with phone books. It’s not at all a stretch to assume the person devoted all their time to learning every bit of their lives and had the resources available to do it. They may be a thing of the past, but even now most people are on public record in some capacity with almost all of their personal information available online. It has only gotten worse over time. Not to mention, no ideas were presented via the handwriting on the letters. If your theory is to be believed, this is either the most botched case in history or the Wackers were suffering from some kind of mental illness preventing them from remembering personal information. The fatal flaw here is that the only information we have on this now is via the Unsolved Mysteries wiki which teases this theory. The police were so brazen as to even suspect Bill for this, allegedly, when evidence pointed to otherwise. How could a man in his late 60’s-70’s do all of this so fast? This case is a mess. The truth is that this stalker is most likely someone they met only maybe a handful of times, or someone that randomly chose them.
I think the clue on the wall ' cheaper will do' implies some innocuous incident to the Wackers but it was a big deal to the perpetrator. Maybe something involving buying something. The killer could've also wanted the house they lived in and he was trying to get them to sell up.
I was thinking it could be someone working in law enforecement, since the person knew how to get through the stake out. Stalking someone like that requires a lot of work, even if they know them. Could be someone who wanted to get their hands on their property, though nine years is a long time to keep at it without taking things further. It might not be an individual either, but a group or couple who work together. Leaving notes and callling is one thing, but physically showing up to hurt her is on another level. Yet the person didn't severely hurt her, and didn't hurt Bill. I also find it a bit odd that the person eventually stopped, and that no one else has reported anything similar-- that kind of behaviour is so antisocial and obsessive that giving it up after nine years and not acting out in other ways or towards other people seem strange. But why the couple didn't move is what I find the strangest, I know it's not everyone who can afford to move on a whim and that they could be attached to the place-- knowing someone is stalking you and has entered your home in the past would be a very good reason to save up everything you can to move.
I interrupted a break in last night (it worked out fine, everyones ok) but my roommates all insisted I relax by watching something _other_ than true crime. But Lazy uploaded, what else am I suppose to do?
as someone from atlanta, the first story is extremely unnerving. i used to live in that area. the main entrances to piedmont park and the surrounding neighborhood are pretty well lit - and no matter the time of day or night, there are usually a handful of people mingling around. it’s also not far from the beltline which is almost never without late night runners or party goers walking home. it’s incredibly strange and terrifying that seemingly no one saw or heard anything that night. i hope there’s some movement in this case and the perp is caught, i want to know how this happened - something so brutal in a popular area without anyone seeing - and i want justice for katie and bowie. side note: this story brings up the memory from 2019 when my girlfriend and i were walking home from a bar off of ponce back to the virginia highlands area and noticed a barefoot dirty shirtless man swinging a hatchet around while walking down the street… so honestly, an opportunist passing through being the perpetrator wouldn’t be too surprising. though, i really hope not.
It’s just wild to think of the amount of time the attacker would have had to be present at the scene to attack and kill both the dog and Katie, stabbing her SO many times, without ANYONE seeing or hearing. It’s bizarre they chose such a public spot whether it was the middle of the night or not. You’d think there would be some witnesses. Not to mention NONE of the cameras working at the time. So infuriating. I’ve lived in ATL all my life as well and visited piedmont park numerous times. This case is unfathomable. I pray it gets solved.
The phrases “that’s a laugh” and “to do someone in” are not common but definitely ones I’ve heard in the US. Definitely not a smoking gun for the perp having been from the UK.
I've heard them many many times, but they are more common among an older generation. To do someone in was often used in connection with mobsters. Yes, I'm part of the older generation.
I think I've used both of those expressions in my writing, and I'm 23 and not British either. Maybe the perp reads a lot of books by English authors lol
I’m from Ohio, and I definitely have heard/said “do you in,” but “that’s a laugh” does sound pretty foreign to me. But of course, you’re right, it’s not 100%.
I've heard these phrases in old films in the U.S. That might be a telling clue. As others have pointed out, it would make sense if Dorothy was the one behind it. The note doesn't seem consistent with a young man like she described and the perp returning the stolen items makes me think those items may have never left the property. The only thing I wonder is whether her husband received those phone calls also and heard the banging on the door while she was in the room. Those details aren't very clear.
It's very possible Katie knew the killer but no one else she knew did. If she had the habit of walking her dogs alone it's possible she could have befriended other dogwalkers casually.
The strangest thing for me is how the numerous amount of times Katie and I had walked her other dog late late at night and never went into the park. We even discussed several times how we would never go into the park after dark...maybe she was tricked by a face she knew ...and entered.
For the story with the Masee’s, don’t rush to rule out exes. A friend of my family’s ex wife stalked him for 14 years (she had, in the meantime, had married twice, her second marriage ending with that husband’s death). When it finally got extreme enough, that was when he finally got a restraining order against her and it was delivered to her in front of the current husband, who had no idea that she was still stalking her 1st husband. Even their own daughter was begging her mom to get psychiatric treatment.
I’m also going to add that she harassed my family for the 14 years that she was stalking him. We had tried to stay neutral, at first, but then the first “Christmas letter” came and we decided that she was psychotic. She found out where I worked when she came in to shop. I had to preemptively talk to my managers to head her off before she made trouble for me at work. They were flabbergasted at how long she had been harassing our family and stalking her ex. I was given permission to come in to the office if I saw her and send a manager to go assist her the next time she came in, as I didn’t want my coworkers to have to help her, either.
We as a society have developed all these surveillance and security devices that can spot small ass details, yet we still have people committing murders getting off Scott free. It’s so frustrating.
I’ve been to Piedmont park on my own a couple of times in the past when I lived in Atlanta. Both of these times were in broad daylight with dozens of other park-goers there. I would *never* consider walking anywhere alone at night, let alone with headphones in. That is terrifying.
I’m from the Atlanta area and I remember how sad and scary the news of Katie and Bowie was. I was getting texts from people saying there was a serial killer on the loose due to the other murder Lazy mentioned. That was never proven and the cops said it wasn’t connected, but still…you never know. Be safe out there everyone.
Omg that first one absolutely broke me, for both Katie and Bowie. Her fiancé Emma seeing the love of her life butchered and eviscerated. I can’t even think about what poor Bowie went through trying to protect his mom. I think she was targeted by some homophobic pos, there’s a lot of anger behind that many stab wounds. Fly high Katie & Bowie 🏳️🌈🐾
I see where you're coming from with the tattoo, but that is also a readily accessible area to repeatedly stab. Especially if you're struggling. You could be correct. The "I think" is the only thing you really know for sure.
The way she was mutilated repeatedly with almost medical precision and had letters carved into her back seems to me that who ever did this felt a lot of hatred and knew exactly what he (most likely) was doing. This combined with the fact that no money or possessions were stolen suggests a premeditated crime, most likely not the work of a random drunk/stoned homeless person. I personally think it was either someone who knew her and held some grudge against her or a hate crime (or both).
@@marianatheschizoid5912 I agree, adding all that to poor Bowie: Most criminals take the easiest route possible-they will not take a chance on someone with a dog, _especially_ a pitbull or other large/aggressive breeds. The perp had to have known Bowie (and obviously Katie by extension) in order to get close enough to kill the dog without getting mauled or alerting Katie via the dog making a ruckus. I think they knew them both, came up to Katie, went to pet Bowie, and then swiftly killed him before switching gears.
@@gobalbucs no the perp didn’t have to know the dog. Consider this: “hey there! What a handsome boy. I love pits. Can I say hi?” - sure :pets the dog: “Can I give him a treat?” Okay :gives treat: Then stabs the dog. Owner in shock, with any reaction, gets stabbed.
I’ve recently discovered your channel and content a couple days ago by accident. And I’m really great full for it. Because I’ve kinda burnt through all my normal channels and need new stuff to watch and your content is just perfect for me. I can tell you’re going to go down as one of my favourites over time.
For the second one...it's the cat for me. I'm thinking foul play because yeah, they could have started over somewhere, and yeah, leaving the cat is better to convince people you were abducted or something happened to you, but then why call and prevent people from worrying about you for longer, thus leaving your cat without proper care for longer? By all accounts they were good people, so I don't understand why they would do that to their pet if they left willingly. And if they'd gone on an impromptu trip and something happened along the way (foul play or an accident), they would have contacted someone to take care of the cat.
I live in Atlanta, that first case really rocked us down here. Everyone believes it could possibly be a serial killer, due to the brutality of the attack. RIP Katie, and thanks for giving her case a platform Lazy!
I think most sleuths who have studied the Whacker case have concluded that Bob hired the blonde guy, and he orchestrated most of the events. The events concluded completely after Bob died; so his wife had ten years of relative calm.
Could it be that Bob fathered the blond man but left the mother and wanted nothing to do with them? Instead staying with his wife. Would explain the hate.
I'm an ATL native. Katie's murder happened on the night of my wedding. I appreciate you covering this story as I have been waiting for someone to cover it and put it out to the public. Thank you
Remember this case well. What a horrific way for Katie & Bowie to go. What type of psycho stabs an innocent woman & dog to death for no apparent reason?..They are just pure evil..My heart breaks for the victims & the girlfriend, loved ones left behind. It's a crazy, scary world we live in. I'm glad I didn't have any human children because I wouldn't be able to relax from worrying anytime they left the house. It's bad enough worrying about family members/partner/baby dog as it is. I have to say, these stories really make me feel sick to my stomach no matter how many times I hear the same one.
The most chilling thing about this is her attacker is out there. Likely he’s done this before and will do it again. Jesus Christ, this poor woman didn’t deserve that.
Weird - The Masees look just like some guests I used to bartend for at a casino. Rose and Doug. Doug would spend most of the night hanging out by the bar, talking about English castles he's done business in and his yacht while Rose would come and go, chatting with randoms at the bar or otherwise going out to gamble. They look dead on to these two, mustache especially.
The wackers lived in that same house for many many years. I wonder if it was in the way of some business trying to put a factory on their land or something and were using some scare tactics to try and make them leave.
This is a really interesting theory because they clearly could have killed or physically harmed them if they wanted, but they were only trying to scare…
Yes but they would know if someone wanted to buy their land.. so they'd be able to put 2 n 2 together. I wondered if it were one of her children, who was eventually going to kill them 4 inheritance... but even then why would they harrass them 4 years b4. Either way I feel very sorry 4 them. Even after just one year of it , I'd have moved to the other side of the country. Fuck that, 4 a decade!
That actually happened in my neighborhood. A neighbor wanted to buy the lot directly next to his mother’s, tear the house down, and put a garage. The old man that lived in the house was half nuts. This neighbor would throw tiny pebbles at windows in the middle of the night and stuff like that. The crazy old man developed a habit of walking the neighborhood at all hours “Looking for prowlers.” As a baby, my mother was feeding me in the middle of the night when she looked up and saw this nut on his “prowler” search. He was literally standing directly outside the window staring in. When my grandfather heard my mother scream he sprinted outside and almost killed the guy. In the end the neighbor did get that lot and his business is still there in 2022. That all happened in the early 1980s. One other incident with him, on one of his 3am searches he was caught cutting through the local police chief’s driveway. When confronted he gave his normal Prowler story, to which the officer replied “You’re the god damn prowler.”
Maybe just maybe lazy masquerade had something to do with with story 3. He knew a lot about the situation and the UK/ London slang. Plus he wants us to stay spooky and in the dark. I'm onto you Lazy.
That first story made me think of my mom. She also has a pit and walks him during the day and night. I do worry about them when they go out but try not to think about the worst case scenario. She always says to be aware of your surroundings and pay attention. Katie and Bowie's story is so unfortunate. 😔
Where are our tax payers money going, if we can’t even depend on CCTV working that could have caught this horrible crime on tape along with the face of her and Bowie’s killer.. I would say it was definitely a hate crime because of the tattoo being demolished! So sad 😞
Thank you for covering that Atlanta story. I live there and it is absolutely terrifying to know this happened. I feel like people outside the city commented that it’s unsafe to walk alone at night and unsafe to walk with earphones in…the truth is, where she was walking is a relatively safe and affluent area and even at night there is a lot of foot traffic due to nearby bars. I’ve definitely become more mindful after several incidents involving women this year in Atlanta. What happened to to Katie is absolutely tragic and terrifying. I wish her family, friends, and fiancé peace and healing.
Kinda random note for the third story but I live in stark county OH myself my whole life, And nobody would describe anything as “a laugh” I think your UK direction is on point personally.
The first story is extremely unnerving as it happened very near to where I go to school. I remember when the news about Katie got out, everyone was freaking out and kept posting about it on social media. Sadly, the buzz died down as soon as it first started with no new leads from the case. What made me more disturbed was when my friend and I were talking about it and she mentioned how we were at the same exact spot where Katie was last seen on video footage(the rainbow road) a few days ago... This murder was deeply devastating and my heart goes out to Katie's family, I hope authorities will come up with something eventually.
I am an Atlanta native born in May of 1969 and Piedmont Park is one of mine and my daughter’s favorite places and it is an incredibly beautiful place but though I’d absolutely love to live in that exact area I honestly would never go there alone during the night even with my dog. This story absolutely wrenches my soul for this lady and her precious dog! I have so many amazing memories of being in that park even back to my childhood and knowing that this brutal murder happening there just deeply effects me to the pit of my soul. I pray that she and her precious boy are together now in a much better place. 💔😞🙏🏻
On the first case, hear me out my fellow sleuths. 1: I don't think it was the fiance. She was at work, with witnesses, and I'm sure they got a pretty accurate time of death to rule her fiance out by having loads of staff and customers as witnesses. Her alibi is pretty air tight. 2: I would never rule out a mentally unstable stranger, be it homeless or otherwise. But, I don't think that is the answer. None of her possessions were stolen, you would think that if the motivation was robbery,or even as an after thought, someone begging for food would have managed to steal something. Anyone who did this would be absolutely covered in blood after that many stab wounds on Katie and Bowie, carving words into her, and the mutilation of her body. Any mentally unstable homeless person with no car to hop in close by would probably be seen. It's possible, but not probable. 3: Due to the very personal nature of the attack, I think the culprit knew Katie, but she may not have known her attacker all that well (or at all). I'll go more deep into that in a second. Stabbing someone that many times is really hard work, not to mention they targeted her face, tattoo, and took the time (in the entrance of a park completely exposed) to carved a very personal message on her stomach. That screams personal, whether that is a perceived grudge that she knew nothing about or something that may have happened, but she blew off as not that serious. Whatever the case, it was personal for the murderer. 4: I'm going to float a few people who were left off the list of people who could definitely have done this and still flown under the radar. The first one I would love to hear if the police checked are coworkers of her fiance. I can't tell you how many times I've had coworkers develop unwanted feelings and the need to try and force some sort of relationship with me. Her coworkers would know that Katie comes in as her routine, they would know her fiance's schedule, they would no doubt have been introduced to both the dogs, and if they were a man feeling that the fiance should be with them because they felt Katie was too fat, too ugly, and of course because she was a woman... that would explain all the very personal attacks on specific body parts. On top of this, Katie would probably have already met them, so they could get right up on her, chat with her, squat down to "pet" Bowie before taking the pup out first since they would be the biggest threat. Also none of the murderer's blood was found at the scene or in the dog's mouth, so I don't think Bowie even had a chance to react and defend either of them. I do believe Katie tried to defend Bowie, began taking defensive wounds, turned to run, then was struck on the neck and taken down. It seems more logical to the evidence that has been presented. Then, they could run to their car and just drive away. 5: A stalker of either Katie or her fiance. The same scenario above can account for a stalker for her fiance, maybe Katie hadn't met them like with a coworker, but since she does the walk-the-doggo-in-the-park as a routine...a stalker could definitely be a local routine customer and have stopped Katie to ask to pet the dogs regularly. Most dog owners love showing off their fur babies, especially pittie owners, since they are such love bugs. It wouldn't have been hard to establish a friendly relationship with a pittie, and could explain again why they were able to get so close without Bowie attacking. If they were stalking Katie through her nightly routine, maybe they had asked her out, found out she was a lesbian, and that pushed them over the edge. If they were stalking her fiance, the same scenario as the coworker could have taken place. 6: Katie's stalker was one of *her* coworkers or customers as a bartender. You get closer to your coworkers and regulars after a bit. You share things about your life, and if you add coworkers to your social media... well they have a window into your life that you may not realize. Not to mention, I share stuff about my dog a lot easier than I do about anything else in my life. It wouldn't feel unsafe to talk about your pet and what they like, places you go with them, or fun routines. Just because the murder took place near her fiance's work, doesn't mean it had to have anything to do with her fiance. They just knew her routine really well. These are the things I think should be combed over by the police, dig deeper into anyone who may have been a coworker with a night off, or an overly friendly regular from both women's jobs.
This comments need more likes! I wish I could magically be a detective to work on this case- or any case in these videos. All of these story’s are so brutal..Trip how at this moment the very thing that happened to her could be happening to someone as I write this or as you read this. It’s a cruel place tbh. Anyways you’re really pretty btw!
@@dulapeeps3043 Thank you so much, unfortunately comments get buried pretty quickly! 😅 I wish I could work on it too, even if it is just brainstorming with all the evidence. I love me a good who-done-it, and I want to see the person who did this to get justice handed to them. ⚖️ Aww, thank you so much for the compliment! That's super sweet and I appreciate you. 🤩
I have a feeling that the coworker theory could be true since Katie could have let her guard to talk of something. I just have a strong feeling the murderer knew who she was and was familiar with her routines and her pets. It’s really sad that nobody witnessed this horrific crime :( may Katie and Bowie Rest In Peace
I'm going to suggest... someone was a regular to the park. You don't have to be homeless to be a regular at the park, spontaneously take an interest in someone... and turn stalker-ish to find out more about them, no matter how guarded they might be. As you say, particularly (for some reason) pittie owners are proud of their dogs and LOVE to share them with other people. Unfortunately, even that I rather hate the notoriety pit's had in the past for dog-fighting and inbreeding... Too many shows like "Pitbulls and Parolees" and "Too Cute" and anything with Cesar Romirez have informed people how undeserved the label is (provided the pitbull has a relatively clean bloodline)... SO they're not the abominable monster that they used to be... AND finally, ANYBODY can become homeless. It's a sad reality in our society. Just because someone has some medical training, or even a lot of medical training, it doesn't make them actually graduate med' school. Almost anything can disrupt their chosen academic direction, and land them in "dire straits"... and after "the chain of events" and getting overloaded... They're on the streets with nothing... BUT it doesn't require someone to be homeless to be regular at the park... AND since she was predictable, that might even be where Katie met him/her (probably him)... A relatively charismatic stranger at the park, good clothes, "clean cut"... funny... That's all it takes, really. Hell, I'm a biker with black leather 90% of the time I'm in public... scruffy wind-battered beard, a "resting bitch face" series of lines developing in my mid-40's... AND people come up all the time with jovial small talk... laugh at my remarks... even my darkest humor (and former Navy on a Gator Freighter who's seen action, so it's pretty dark)... I'm not saying it's just that easy... obviously. BUT from the tone of the story... the earphones... refusing to even carry pepper spray??? Yeah, those are the marks of a naive person. Katie would've been more than the average kind of "trusting" in strangers that didn't appear to pose a threat at the time. Then it wouldn't have been difficult to get close... track her down or back track her... ...AND from dubiously secret infatuation... to perhaps a deluded ideal of her sharing his feelings... then the bombshell that she's got a fiance... a GIRLFRIEND??? AND this otherwise unassuming type goes "Jekyll and Hyde"... It's not necessarily right.. BUT this is just how "random" it can get, especially in a city the size of Atlanta... AND it's a kind of a... well... kind of a screwy town down there. ;o)
@@chellebethel You covered the basics : So, Let's close the case with what actually happened It was a Teenager. Living few blocks from her place. They both didn't knew each other.. being the age difference. But, seen eachother. The Teen got obsessed with Killing by watching crazy old tapes of killers... and wanted to try out for himself. That night he went out looking for any victim ..found the woman and her Dog. Teen back-stepped a little but soon couldn't hold the urge to KiLL. Approached the Woman. Woman stopped and asked if its the same teen from few blocks... Teen pat the Dog and smiled while replying with a Yes. Teen stabbed the Dog near the neck... making the DOG incapacitated. Woman tried to push the Teen only to met with countless stab in quick succession. After the woman DiED, Teen looked at Dog who dragged itself few metres. He went in close and stabbed it many more Times. But, had to leave because he heard someone approaching. This was her lover. Teen went back to the house from the basement... cleaned itself and went to bed 🛏️
I live in Atlanta and basically quit/got fired for not wanting to walk alone at 3am (time I got off) and this happened a week later. I only worked 5 mins away from that park.
Lazy! I don't know how you do it but the way you present mysteries is better than all other channels focusing on things like this. Always a pleasure to see a new video from you.
Weird. I just stared cutting carrots for dinner. The Masee’s... third possibility: they did make an escape. But after a while, whoever they were running from found them.
Why would they abandon their cat? That might not sound like a big deal, but I think there is more to the story than just running off and starting a new life.
@@wolfetteplays8894 I'm saying, I'm sure they would've found someone to take care of the cat instead of simply abandoning it if they knew they were going to leave for a long period of time, or even a short time. I realize it wouldn't be realistic to take the cat with them. Lol
@dragonsdendreaming I am sure they knew that one of their children would take possession of it. If they left it with someone then that would imply that they were actually going somewhere for longterm....
I like how your channel has evolved over the years. You went from personal scary stories to covering all sorts of mysteries, yet your content retains the soul it always had.
The Last Story is truly heartbreaking I feel so sorry for them to have had to put through that, and for him to get away with it is truly sickening and scary.
I think katie definitely knew her attacker. I think he or she was able to get close and kill bowie first because they were familiar with the dog. Then the level of brutality and the fact that the word fat was carved into her makes it see really personal.
something really haunting about the fact that katie was likely killed in a hate crime targeting her sexuality and the last image of her alive is of her and bowie walking across a rainbow crosswalk 💔
Poor doggy. Don’t walk alone at night guys and especially not with earphones. It’s probable this was a hate crime as they targeted her tattoo but having any technology on you makes you a target. This was terrible. RIP Katie and Bowie
@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 For killers that think the victim being identified to begin with could then be traced back to the killer... you know, like in hate crimes where it was personal.
@@toolinaround-est2024 It's anyone that has that knowledge *and* ,like I mentioned in my prior post, if they think the identity of the victim could be used to trace it back to the killer. Is it more common among organized crime? Probably.
@@zacharyshort384 yeah and having said that, as rare as this kind of hate crime is, the idea that this woman was mixed up with organized crime is even harder to believe.
I once was left University still wearing my headphones while walking back to my car. It was late, and I was walking down the middle of a dark side street. I turned around and there was a man walking towards me also in the middle of the street. Pulled my headphones down at that point and kept walking. Every time I looked he was still heading my way. I walked casually but very cautiously until my car was next to me and I quickly unlocked the door, got inside and locked it. I saw him move to the sidewalk where he literally just stood acting occupied on his phone. The back door to my van properly shut and I quickly to hopped out to close it but the moment I opened the door he started walking towards me again. I almost lost a pair of pants lol. But luckily I made it back inside in time to lock my car again. To which again he tucked himself off to the side. Scary stuff!
Every time I hear your voice it brings me back a few years to when I first started listening to horror stories.. it’s the reason I love them so much!! Never stop, for our sake!❤️😂
Being from the metro Atlanta area, the first one doesn't surprise me. It's definitely not safe to walk around Atlanta at night. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive, and doesn't really know Atlanta. I was once threatened to be shot because of my skin color, just for driving through one area at night. People can be very hateful just in passing in general. Also, one doesn't need medical training to cut like that. Just needs to listen to a lot of crime or medical related content. I've learned a lot about terrible wounds just from listening to stories like these. Stay safe out there, frens.
Very, very sad for Katie. Wearing headphones is risky in situations like this. At least keep one of them out or off the ear. I don't even go to Piedmont Park in the day time anymore because it's sketchy and certainly at night after the park is closed at 11pm would be a hard no. There would not have been a lot of park 'visitors' when she was there. Anyone in that park after hours is up to no good or looking for a place to sleep. I believe the person who did this horrible crime to her and Bowie is someone they were both familiar with. How else could someone get that close to such a large dog without the dog indicating stranger danger.
Story #1: I lived in Atlanta around the time this happened. I was so scared after my coworkers shared this incident with me soon after it went public. As someone who loved going to Piedmont Park (only during day time on weekends) and have attended activities near the 10th street entrance, I didn't go back since.
For the wackers why didn’t they just get police to watch the place and instal cameras? Their family eventually did a stakeout but why didn’t the cops do this instead?
During the family stakeout of the home a note was pinned to the front door yet no one saw anyone approach the house. Dorothy put the note on herself. Her husband was in on it too
@@debbieanne7962 I agree that Dorothy was the culprit, but really I think her husband didn't know. He was a no nonsense type of guy who wouldn't have bothered going to the trouble, imo. It makes me wonder if Dorothy's motive was simply attention for whatever reason, especially attention from her husband.
@@debbieanne7962 Do you really believe that? Why though? And how would she smack herself over the head so hard that it knocked her out, whilst being tied up? Because she couldn't have tied herself after being knocked out?
@@justincase2716 Where is it stated she was tied up when the neighbors were there? And there's no mention of her being examined for a concussion or injury by a medical professional. All these things are taken at face value, and I think they all come from her. By the time any external witness arrives, she's clearly conscious because she was yelling. And she could've just had a chair sitting there with rope on it. Or tied the rope to her back and slid her hands under it. I don't think it's as difficult as one would initially think
I have a pitbull type dog. He's the sweetest, gentlest dog I've ever met, but his guard dog instincts are strong. He often watches the street outside and goes ballistic when someone knocks on the door. There's no way Bowie would've let that monster get at Katie without trying to protect her.
I don’t even feel comfortable using BOTH earphones when I’m in my house alone… much less walking in public! But that likely didn’t factor much into her death, because it 100% sounds like a personal attack.🥺
I’ve been following you since the start, but had to take a break from utube for a year and a half. I’m so happy to see you’re channel doing so well, you deserve it and more. Thanks Lazy for many… many long hours spent listening to your excellent story telling! Much respect from Alberta, Canada
The first story was literally at the end of my road, it’s so surreal hearing about this looking back. I wish I had heard something it was literally less than half a mile from where I had to have been relaxing
I'm not sure. The shirt could have possibly covered up the tattoo since it was on her back. The shirt she is wearing looks like a plan t-shirt unless it has the back open. Unless the person who did it absolutely knew Katie or has seen the tattoo before we can't give a definitive yes or no
@@squashedshibber2684 true, that is another thought I had. Someone has probably seen Katie with her partner or has seen just the tattoo. Could a reason the dog didn't feel a possible threat was that it knew the killer?
@@TheRisingHeroz that was sort of my thinking as well, that they knew her or had been watching her for long enough that they knew she was gay and targeted her partially/entirely because of that. Or, they could've been trying to make it look more like a hate crime by stabbing her tattoo honestly. Especially with the detail of the poor pittie being timid, it seems like there are a lot of possibilities as to what exactly happened that night.
🥕 in hand... wait, that sounds crazy... never mind. Story 1 - surely the park owners need to be held somewhat accountable for having ZERO cameras functioning.
Ah, but you would assume that the City of Atlanta would actually hold itself accountable for once. Sorry to say, but there’s a reason why the rural communities surrounding that urban hellscape don’t look too fondly at folks from there passing through their neck of the woods. 😒
Awareness of one's surroundings is always important. There have been countless times where my awareness saved my skin from unsavory encounters. And trust your gut always.
i live just south of atlanta and the first one is horrific. really shook me up, i cannot image the trauma emma went through finding her and her dog. the dog trying to save her breaks my heart.
On the first case, police say they're "getting close to finding who did it. There's a page about the case on Facebook where news is posted as soon as it's available.
I haven't watched your whole video, yet, but my own two cents on homeless medical workers: I am homeless, and I've been a certified veterinary assistant since I graduated high school. I took on several vet tech roles in the hospital I worked in, then continued my medical education into college- though, I was forced to drop out due to the 2008 economy crash. While in college, I met a man that spent his entire last two years in university, living out of his car, and didn't work up to a home for several years, while working in a hospital. I've been on the streets for about a decade, and have met MANY medical workers also out of work and home. I've met many individuals with college degrees, including Ph.D.s- anyone, from any background, and any level of education, or work security can become or even actively be homeless. My time at the local soup kitchens would suggest that most in there have jobs, but the jobs aren't enough to cover rent and utilities. I don't know what the average rate of pay, versus cost of living is in Atlanta, but here in western Washington, I could easily believe that a doctor- eating, showering, washing clothes every day, and generally keeping up on hygiene and wellbeing- could still be homeless. I knew an ER surgeon and an EMT in my early days on the streets- the ER surgeon showered at work, before his shift, and had his clothes run with the hospital linens. He just had a very messy divorce, and wasn't on the streets long. They were both fairly happy and content with their lives, too. If I don't edit this to comment on anything else, I still want to thank you for covering these topics, and being relatively mindful of these people as fellow thinking, feeling beings worth respecting.
@@xSwordLilyx I agree wholeheartedly (or, at least, I hope that to be our reality), I'm just responding to Lazy's suggestion that the skill set alone is worth discrediting the chance that the person could be homeless. Then again, one thing that hadn't crossed my mind while watching this is that butchers and hunters often have some level of precision with their cuts, too- and those don't take a dozen or so years of training.
@AandJay'sEndlessPlaylist's 1 I knew him about a decade ago, so I'm not sure what I could say about him that I haven't, already. I recall his house, kids, and a majority of joint finances went to his wife, and that he was building up from scratch from that. He was amicable about leaving the money for his kids, though, so maybe it was a child support lump sum?
@@OlyChickenGuy thank you for your reply. ooh my bad I read it wrong I thought you were talking about the EMT in your above comment going through the divorce
No matter how many times I hear about the first story, it makes me sick every time. I wish so badly Katie had carried some form of protection on her. That was a vicious and personal attack, I’ve always believed it was a hate crime. And the fact her girlfriend was the one who found her, just heartbreaking (usually that seems odd, but the girlfriend was definitely not involved). RIP Katie and Bowie, may your case be solved sooner rather than later.
@@howdareyouexist clearly she’s been ruled out as a suspect at this point and had 0 to do with it. She was undoubtedly the first person they questioned. Use critical thinking skills, please.
Get your carrots ready, we're back in the rabbit holes 🐰
I ain’t eating no damn carrots and that’s facts
Back at it again with the great content♡ you're awesome
Carrots? Now I’m hungry. Thanks a lot lazy! 😂😂😁😁
Oh well now I’m just hungry for a salad! 😂
@@that1skater924 and I've just ordered a McDonald's, no carrot sticks tho.
As for the first story, NEVER Wear noise-canceling earphones while walking. At all! Or even loud music. You can’t hear anyone around you, and can’t hear cars coming. It’s very dangerous.
Hahahaha lazy in the mud
And carry a defensive weapon, whether it be a gun, knife, taser, spray, or whatever else.
In my profession, we are taught that thieves target people wearing headphones. This is true.
I always just wear one so I can still hear, but if I was running on secluded area I think I would not wear them at all.
You can wear them in the house and during commuting to wherever you are going, bus, plane, tram, metro. But not while walking. I wore them once walking, and felt uneasy. First time I wore such noiseless headphones I got the feeling I was dancing while walking and that everyone can hear the music... very weird feeling. Nevertheless, I use them only in public transport, at home I have a sound system ready to rock the whole neighborhood (but I use it reasonably too, so that my neighbors won't get irritated).
Re: Story #1 As someone who works in Skid Row in Los Angeles, I have run into many homeless people who once held interesting positions--lawyers (even a former judge), touring musicians of popular artists, businessmen... It wouldn't be much of a stretch to believe someone who was once in the medical field is now homeless. Mental illness and drug addiction can affect nearly anyone. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that all homeless people were always destitute.
This is ESPECIALLY true in the US, where most people are just one medical bill/car accident/other traumatic event away from losing everything.
Yes, your are right. Anyone can become a homeless addict with mental illnesses. In terms of former profession, I have met long-time homeless addicts who were animal veterinarians, drop out medical students and slaughter house workers. PS: Have you ever watched the Soft White Underbelly RUclips channel? Its mostly about Skid Row.
All it takes is a divorce or an illness like cancer and you can lose everything.
Of course they aren't! So true. Especially now with the constant barrage of EVERYTHING that could ruin your life hitting all at once. Very scary times.😣
Hey fellow Skid Row worker, you're 100% correct about this. I once had a homeless gentleman follow me for two blocks on Main muttering about not liking a clinic doctor. There's 100s more like him and 100s who are worsr
The first story absolutely breaks my heart. My heart goes out to Emma; I can't imagine finding the love of your life and dog in such a horrible way. May Katie and Bowie rest in peace.
Exactly. Seeing Katie in that pic where Bowie is making the cutest scaredy-cat face. Knowing that Emma probably snapped that priceless moment, man… that hurt my heart. It’s tragic. How do you go on with life after your world’s been shattered like that? Huge hug for Emma.
R. I. P Bowie
Yeah I live near Piedmont park and ironically those of us who live in Atlanta didn't get a huge amount of details, so I never understood how utterly gruesome the case was. Unfathomable to have been either of them.
its disturbing what people sometimes do to others. I have a feeling the person attacked the dog first, probably inflicting mortal wounds to him before she even heard them or realized what was happening.
@@madisontobias4688 spotted the dogsheet
I think Katie's case was something personal. Cuttings on her rainbow tattoo, carving "fat" to her body, literally slicing her face... These are all felt really personal to me. It could be impulsive but it must be a known person to Katie.
I had those exacts thoughts
Also, we know the perpetrator probably wasn’t a toddler, otherwise her pitbull would have mauled it.
Lol
I am thinking that the murderer took her tattoo as a sick souvenir possibly
@@harharharharharharharharha240 or...someone who has something against lgbt people. or the killer as a twisted perspective regarding lgbt
How awful for Katie's fiancée to be the one to find her and Bowie. I hope she's doing ok, can't imagine you easily get over something like that.
Yeah that is just awful.
Maybe she did it
@@kylespratt4072 Unfortunately that is possible
@Jayson Raphael Murdock Ikr?? The way he was describing it, that seemed very possible!! Especially the explanation about the dog breed and them needed to know the attacker to get so close...that's really sad. For her and the other young woman slan around the same time.
@@kylespratt4072 she was at work remember?
The fact that she had a pit bull with her and was still attacked this brutally- in a public space-is extremely unnerving. Most opportunistic killers target victims that have as few obstacles as possible. I really hope this psycho is found and justice served to her and her loved ones.
Or, the dog didn't see the culprit as a threat because he knew the person that attacked him and Katie.
@@datheamore6395 That or the dog just didnt attack, not all dogs will attack someone if they attack you regardless of breed.
@@amp4105 pitbulls will literally rip a baby's throat out without being provoked man. Defo a familiar face or maybe with treats or something
I recently looked into it there have been absolutely no updates and honestly it seems like the police haven’t bothered to try and keep this case going they say they have but it has been almost what a year now and they still havent found a single suspect which i call BS, start looking for people who have some kind of medical training who knew her and her parent!! They KNEW she was in a same sex relationship and targeted her for that fact or knew to make it LOOK like a hate crime…and unless they knew her personally or had been following her for awhile how would her killer just KNOW she was gay??
@@banjokuma6797 Not every pitbull has that level of drive. In a dog that did, a familiar face or treats wouldn't stop them at all.
After all these years, Lazy is still incredibly consistent when it comes to creating top notch mystery content. Not a single bad video
I miss Corpse Husband 😢 he & Lazy Masquerade are my Top 2 Horror Story Tellers
He's productive masquerade
Lazy is my absolute favorite. Wonderfully dynamic and fluid style. Very very pleasant listening.
He has a cool voice that's perfect for this kind of content
That just show how messed up the world truly is...
I've been homeless and there are a surprising amount of ex-professionals who lost everything and just gave up, lost their license to do whatever they did, or got heavy into drugs, it really can happen to anybody.
"it can happen to anybody" LOL
@@bloopnation Why “lol”?
@@spiritmatter1553 Occasionally homeless guy says 'it can happen to anyone' He's wrong. And I found it funny that people are so ignorant that they end up thinking 'being homeless can happen to ANYONE!!' Ridiculous. It's a troubling belief to have.
@explorer exactly - life is stressful, and sadly some of the most common "escapes" only serve to make things worse in the long run.
It can take one last thing to push you over the edge...
@@bloopnation Such self serving logic while ironically projecting.
You're gonna have a hell of a life ahead of you.
Thanks for covering Katie and Bowie’s story. I live in Atlanta and I am one block away from Piedmont Park where her life was taken. It’s a horrible story but I am thankful to people like you who bring awareness ❤️
People of ATL lack awareness I tell you. Piedmont park is the worst place to be at night.
I hope and pray you will always be safe ❤️
Please buy a weapon and get your concealed carry. And avoid places like this.
@@udednow - It’s almost impossible to get a concealed carry in many states. Dunno about Georgia though?
You should not give such info online about where exactly you live, not safe!
To me, it feels like someone who knew Katie. It looked like her back tattoo would have been covered by clothing. So if it was targeted, someone knew she had it. That combined with the facial damage just makes my feeling that much stronger. I wondered if it were a hate crime. I just can't see a random attacker making it a point to obliterate her face.
My money is on a hate crime
Its become a lot more dangerous in America these days
I agree with you. I think that the perp knew Katie... He knew that she was gay, and he hated her for that... Maybe he had a crush on Emma, or on Katie herself, or he was just a crazy h0m0ph0bic b@st@rd... Nothing seems random in this crime... He knew that she had a rainbow tattoo on her back, he disfigured her and carved F A T on her torso... And Bowie didn't react aggressively, like he knew the person... It's like he was seeking vengeance on her personally... What a shame.
The focus on the face implies they knew her or associated her with someone they knew, face attacks are usually personal.
The carving of the letters definitely implies she was killed for whovever or whatever F A T is. Meaning this could have been some kind of revenge killing that was only personal to her life. Also possible though is this is a wannabe serial killer leaving a 'tag' on their crime. If the rainbow tattoo was not visible, the multiple stabs to her back might have been to try and paralyse her...but yeah....Catherine Eddowes told people she knew who Jack the Ripper was and ended up being the first victim to have a mutilated face.
I'd definitely think it was an ex... unfortunately, there's some real nuts who THINK they're in a relationship with you.
Yeah that first murder sounds very personal.. but never go stroll walking in a park at midnight wearing headphones, man or woman, with or without a dog. And if you have to walk at night bring some kind of protection and stay in well lit areas..
It seems quite clear that the first murder was not personal. She was fighting off the guy and almost definitely had DNA from the perp on her person. If it were someone close to the victim then they would have caught them. I could be wrong, but to me, I’m not getting “personal” from it.
@@staceythomasharding agreed. I don't know about the DNA thing but I do think it could've just as easily been a stranger who saw Katie, didn't like her appearance and then targeted her because of that. They carved "f a t" into her skin and targeted her pride tattoo so I think it was a misogynistic homophobe who saw Katie and got deeply offended and enraged by her mere existence. That would also explain why it seems so personal. It obviously could be someone she knows as well but I think it was a wrong time wrong place situation. Regardless I really hope they catch them. Katie and Bowie deserve justice.
@@mrcountchoculitis3284 wtf is your problem?? This is an innocent human being who got brutally murdered, potentially because of their sexuality, and this is your response? More homophobia? Agreeing with a murderer? Are you a psychopath?
@@frances9975 lol
@@mrcountchoculitis3284 do the people around you know you behave/think like this? Did anyone bother sticking around?
Can we appreciate what a queen Dorothy is? Being able to make 2 full recoveries at that age, even after a major surgery! What an absolute trooper.
You just as naive as the narrator, huh?
They weren't some sweet innocent elder couple. They had done something to someone to initiate all of this.
Also, why wait until the 3rd time your home is ransacked to call the cops? The only logical reason would be because they have something to hide.
Thinking that some rando is going to invest this much effort and risk on some complete strangers on nothing more than a whim is preposterous
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 Sounds like you're the naive one; scammers, and violent crimes against the elderly is shockingly common. They're weaker, and much more vulnerable, and if you don't have morals, thats a perfect target.
cringe
@@epstein_isnt_dead7726 damn, didn't know people were going around accusing others of warranting their own harassments and possible deaths, even if they did do something to someone at some point that wouldn't warrant this baseless discussion over what is ostensibly the crime someone else is committing . The fact that Dorothy would get up and allow a stranger into her home when she is alone and reovering from a surgery shows enough of their character to at least somewhat testify for them.
@@MontySlython that's not character, Tonto. That's a fundamental lack of common sense. But nice try.
And you assume that nothing could have warranted this. I challenge that. What if they were personally responsible for Jeffrey Epstein getting the sweetheart deal he got the first time he was convicted of 60+ counts of diddling and the person doing the harassing were the parent of a child he was only able to diddle because he got away with it the first time?
There are a lot of people with medical training that are predatory. Doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals aren't above sick desires and impulses just because they are educated in the medical field.
Exactly, very naive to believe otherwise. Like saying all cops are good people working to help citizens...
I don’t know about a lot, I’d say most ppl in the medical field pick that profession to help others but there certainly are people like George Hill Hodel Jr. who was the physician who killed (and cut meticulously in half) Elizabeth Short aka The Black Dahlia
@@larsonfamilyhouse I really need to listen to that episode of Morbid again
Harold Shipman for example
@@Jusuff ,big time!!!!!
The first story seems unlikely that a random attacker jumped her. It sounds premeditated. You said she routinely took the dog out for a walk. It's possible she had a stalker, watching her over a period of time and waiting for their opportunity. The killer was some sicko with fantasies of murder and plotted a means to live out their urges.
I think someone obsessed with her partner. Her face and features were attacked, they need to look there imo.
Seems highly possible to me it was her partner, though since I'm not an internet expert I'm not going to explain the things I researched.
Right? And if it was a serial killer thing we would know about more attacks, more victims. The attack screams rage and the only way to get that without a personal connection (imo) is through a serial killer mindset. Since it doesn't fit that, it HAS to be personal.
@@johnnymo4000 Partner was at work though, with multiple witnesses. Also would have been next to impossible for her to get to the park without being caught on a camera, even if all the cameras in the park were down.
@@AllieAllieOxenFree21 I haven't seen any information weather or not she was seen on camera or not. It's very possible she could have been dressed up. I also didn't see anything marking her supposed exact time of death only the last footage of her, and supposedly when the partner got off. You claim that it would be impossible to not get seen on cameras in the park even though they where all down....I'm not sure how to respond to that but I disagree.
Still think it's highly possible it was her partner, but again I'm not an internet expert so we can ultimately agree to disagree.
That fact that ALL 9 cameras were non functional in the park is extremely frustrating. I would have tried to sue the state, if there was any avenue to do so. Such blatant incompetence from the city.
It seems cameras are always not working, yeah? Talk about job security /s
How about...maybe 1.30 at night isn't a great time to go out walking????
Sue the state? That would be a huge waste of money. Your city is not legally obligated to have and maintain cameras in public spaces. The suit would be dismissed immediately.
atlanta has the most CCTV cameras in the US per capita and i bet maybe a quarter of them work
Drug dealers destroy them constantly
Katie’s story definitely screams the culprit being more than one person to me. She was in a park, had a pitbull that no doubt tried to protect her, there’s no way one attacker could’ve done that much damage. They knew about the tattoo, indicating knowledge of her or maybe someone (like an ex) knew her, and given the time frame and circumstances (ie the cameras somehow not working), it had to have been planned to some degree. The initials being carved into her while she was alive, the face brutalization, all of that tells me her death was meant to be torturous for her and to send a message of some kind to others, not some random attack.
Bro not all pit bulls are alpha dogs. Common misconception that they’ll even protect you at all
The first story is exactly why I don't wear earphones anymore when walking anywhere, there was a car collison right behind me once and I didn't even realize it till I got to the crosswalk and looked back the way I came. Car could've plowed me and the last thing I'd ever remember would have been White Wedding-Billy Idol.
Well there's worse things to go out to!
You caused the accident!
I walk to work, stores etc all the time and I often have headphones in, but just one earbud. What's even more important is just being specially aware at all times. Crossing streets, even at crosswalks! And when going through dark areas especially.
I only ever wear the one ear bud. It lets me hear around me, but I can still indicate I’m listening to music to get strangers to stop trying to talk to me.
no headphones and i carry a gun
I believe that Nick's kids were somehow instructed by Nick himself to hire a private investigator after they ran off, so that it looks like they were murdered, and that's why the kids were not cooperative. It's all a cover to make it seem like they have died, so that their enemies go on with their business and not look for them any further
A person with medical knowledge could definitely be homeless. It can happen to anyone when their life falls apart. What about a homeless veteran? Sadly there are thousands of those, could have been a medic, came back from combat with mental health issues that the VA Hospital didn't deal with, as happens frequently. Just spitballing.
They never said why they think the perp had medical knowledge
My thoughts too. I really like this channel but every now and then something like that is said and it puts me off
Just to say : my mother told me the story of one of the homeless men in my city, he was a respected surgeon, then one day his wife and daughter died in a car accident, he started heavily drinking, lost his job, spent all of his money on alcohol and now he's been on the streets for maybe 15 or 20 years (I don't know the timeline of event but he seems to have been there for quite a while) unable to get past that.
The possibility of someone with medical expertise being homeless is very real
I'd like to know what constitutes medical training theory. Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of biology would know where to focus an attack.
I was thinking it could have been a surgeon who's life fell apart because of a drug addiction. Either way, I do think this was a hate crime.
In the third story, as horrible as the torment was, it is so wholesome to know that even through all the physical and psychological abuse they endured, they still died naturally and not from being murdered🙏 And go Dorothy for recovering from open heart surgery and two head injuries!
But to keep on living IN that house after TWO attacks!
Why hadn't they relocated after all that for over almost a decade? I would personally move somewhere out of the state.
@@spiritmatter1553 I agree tbh
@@bvarino100197 totally agree
@bvarino100197 Because it was a hoax. The wife was possibly doing this for attention, the husband eventually found out and out of embarrassment never publicly mentioned any of it. None of the case adds up. In reality strangers don't stalk people like this for an eternity, return things they stole, and manage to invisibly sneak past people posted as guards.
Please don't wear headphones when walking alone and take something with you to defend yourself, and don't walk through desolate areas like parks. You seriously never know! Stay safe and stay vigilant.
I always carry a knife
@@MrCjosue24 Me too lol that and my handgun lol 🤣
Stories like that really make me glad I live in the german countryside. I don't even lock my car, there's literally zero crime here, unlike in the cities.
@@rogthepirate4593 Oh lord I'd still lock your doors, you never know lol people are crazy these days! I've always wanted to explore the German countryside!
@Princess Haraz33 Just be super careful and aware of things around you, some people target those who have headphones in because it's an easy target. If you're in a public place with people around you're less likely to run into issues.
On Katie and Bowie, just some guild guesses to add: the killer could have been watching their late walkings for a few days, or even weeks. Might have followed her home, seen her with her fiancé, noticed Bowie was shy, noticed she had earphones on all the time, and on that night felt confident enough to attack.
Or it could have been someone that was at the place Katie's fiancé worked, that followed Katie and Bowie when they left. Someone that, as Lazy said, already knew them and harbored awful feelings for the couple.
Re: the Wackers, I'm surprised that no one checked out telephone company employees and their relatives, who could have easily have tracked every change of number.
Or a dr office or pharmacy or school (were they emergency contacts for kids? etc)
What they should have done after the first assault is arm themselves with more than kitchen knives, bought better locks, installed a security system (if possible), and begged the police to run a stakeout. Two men sitting in the front seat with binoculars are much more obvious than a cop sitting in the back of a van watching through a peephole camera or tinted windows. As a former PI, I’ve very rarely failed to spot a person approaching or leaving a house, and in the handful of times I did, the other team saw them. Whoever had it out for them obviously felt it was personal, but who or why is anybody’s guess. It could have been a neighbor who thought they backed into their car, or someone they didn’t pay, or it could have been just some nutjob trying to entertain himself. We’ll probably never know.
@@robertbeard6380 Yeah, it feels like they didn't do enough. Even if they did nothing like get better locks or arm themselves, why didn't the police do a stakeout? This is as much the Wacker's fault as it is their local police agency's for not insisting on doing such a thing.
How do you know the police didn't check the phone records? They probably did.
The first case was anything but a random attack, who in the right mind would go after a woman with a large pit bull and think they would come out unscathed? This horrible bastard was familiar to both Katie and the doggo for sure 😢
It wasn't "large", it was small and timid. And to answer your question "who": someone who thought they can take on a pitbull.
So you can probably rule children out on this one.
@@hjuikkll Yeah, I’m pretty sure it was random.
The killer carved "fat" on her body , thats a very obvious giveaway that it was a hate killing.
@@chrisybxxx just a thought, but maybe she was one of those body positivity weirdos. They are pretty annoying, and very vocal about their nonsense.
Maybe she was wearing a shirt that said something like "I'm not fat, I'm curvy" and the killer wanted to set the record straight. 🤷♂️.
The fact that she formed her entire identity off of her characteristics further supports my theory
definitely was not a single person .....a gp of people planed it and attacked her .....even killing the dog and then torturing the woman
I live about 20 miles north of where the first story happened last year. It's interesting that many people jump to the conclusion that this was a stranger when many things point to it being personal. The dog may have been familiar with the person and that many stab wounds indicates it was personal. Remember, besides the fact that over 90% of people are murdered by someone they know, it is extremely rare for a serial killer to take a lot of time with a victim unless it's in a secluded space like a home or building. There seems to be major rage behind this. Tori Lang case happened in the county I live in and totally different in nature and not really that close to this story. She was shot and left for dead and her car stolen and later the car was found in another county burning.
@@glamdolly30 It is possible that it was a stranger, but if it were an opportunistic kill why would the killer waste so much time stabbing her so many times and even cutting her tattoo? Wouldn't they just kill and run? Anyway here is my theory. Katie was stalked by this person. There is no way he/she just came across her just that night. This person knew her route and her routine, and even knew Bowie was friendly. This person could be a stranger to Katie, but I truly believe the perpetrator "knew" her in some way.
I think this case it was a stranger. Likely a homeless person who was either on drugs or just suffering from a mental episode. I walk a lot for work and even during the day the homeless around where I live are SUPER aggressive and have been known to attack passersby for no reason at all. Recently a tourist was attacked with a damn machete!
@@fc7307 Yeah, they either knew her or it was a stranger who had stalked her. It just bothers me... looking at the shirt she was wearing, her tattoo should not have shown. The killer wouldn't had known about her tattoo unless they knew her or they had seen her before. That keeps sticking in my mind. Then the carving of "fat" onto her... that just seems... personal. Idk, it's interesting. A hate crime no matter what it seems like. Whether for her being a woman, LGBTQ+, or a plus sized body. Something triggered them and it's one of those 3 things. Or maybe just a opportunistic killer.
If her fiance was a man, he would be a prime suspect and comments on this case would be so different. She knew that Katie was in the park, she found them, she was all over the crime scene, touching dog and her fiance. Lack of reaction from Bowie and Katie until it was to late... I'm sure that police cleared her first, this is just really wild theory based on fiance being a man
@@dzekadzenan6977 Interesting theory but Lazy explained how she knew where they were. Her killing her own dog seems very bizarre as well and she doesn't seem to have the motive whatsoever here. It's natural that she touched the scene because her dog was in a trash bag and she had to verify it was him. Overall not very convincing.
"Your lights are a laugh" and "do you in" are both phrases I grew up hearing in the Western US however it was mainly used by people that were WW2 and Baby Boomer generation and not usually heard or used by people growing up after the late 1970's-1980's
I’ve grown up in stark county my whole life and I want to say “do you in” is definitely something I haven’t heard, but I have heard the occasional “____ is a laugh”. The thing that doesn’t make sense to me is if the man was British, wouldn’t Dorothy think to mention that to the police?? It would be incredibly noticeable.
You’ve heard the exact phrase “your lights are a laugh”?
What do they mean
I think the wife in the 3rd story did everything
I’m from the North of England and ‘do you in’ is quite a common phrase 👍🏻
First story is so scary and upsetting. Obviously it can happen to anyone but it's particularly dangerous to be a woman out walking alone. Not just at nighttime but nearly anywhere, at anytime. It's sad and I wish I could feel safe doing so. Also there were NINE security cams in the park and NONE of them were working?! That's egregious.
Yes, the camera part is crazy. And how long had they been down? Was it a known issue that the cameras didn't work? I think it's time to research this case cuz I have a few questions at this point
It's so frustrating. It seems women can't do anything without being attacked. A friend of mine was assaulted in a park in the middle of the damn day and people told her she shouldn't have done that. You can't go out at night, during the day and going home isn't an option bc you never know. It's a sick joke.
That's Atlanta for you.
She kinda had it coming, she should have listened to her partners warning.
@@luxuscarnage4828 Lol
I stopped wearing headphones walking alone after my own little experience, albeit nothing like the first heartbreaking story. I was walking in the bush in the middle of day near a village of 100 people, and 60 miles from any other city in all directions. This was in the massive wilderness of BC Canada. Anyways, I've done this route a million times, no issue. But one of the days, about half an hour in and I was coming to a bend in the trail. All of a sudden I had a dreadful feeling of being watched. I stopped, pulled out my headphones and scanned the area. Nothing but trees for miles. A gust of wind picked up, and I got the immediate dreadful smell of rotting flesh. I high tailed it out of there immediately. My guess is I stumbled on a cougars kill (probably in a tree). Never wore headphones again. Absolutely spooked
Probably a Sasquatch. People say that when one appears, they suddenly get the stench of sulphur and rotting flesh. And the forest gets really quiet, and they get the feeling of being watched.
@@nerychristian LMFAO. Crazies everywhere
@@nerychristian maybe
For case 1: I think the killer must have live nearby the park, I mean how else can you kill someone, with your clothes cover in blood and no one noticed you. Not to mention the killer must have known the camera in the park were not working and they have knowledge of which camera was actually working.
Or maybe the person knocked out the cameras...
White Supremacists, Atlanta PD are covering for them.
Or they could have had a change of clothes or something to wear over what they had been wearing.
Two good points….
@@split-wb7bg Unlikely, they are monitored and powered at an off site location. So unless they cut a power line (they couldn't have) there isn't a chance they did that
I wouldn’t be surprised if Katie’s killer was at the bar that night
I was thinking the exact same thing, but not necessarily that night. This seemed premeditated and stalker-ish. I do think, that they will have been at that bar and saw an interaction between Katie and her fiancé that revealed them to be a couple. Angered at the sight, the perp now had a motive to go after Katie and must've known where her walk route was, maybe because they over heard her saying it to her fiancé. Clearly them being LGBT is a part of the motive, given the incessant stabbing to her lower back. I highly doubt that she knew who this person was as well. Just my two cents.
Exactly, and maybe she told them that she was going to walk her dog when she got home and knew she would be in the park.
Side note: why would anyone where noise canceling headphones at night?
@@ThatsabigfatNo unfortunately some people don’t understand the reality of how vulnerable they truly are, she said she always felt safe on her walks and the truth is she was just ignorant. Not blaming her but it’s just the truth.
@@bananainacup the truth is she FELT safe. Feeling safe doesn’t mean you ARE safe but it certainly doesn’t mean you’re ignorant
@@larsonfamilyhouse um sorry but yes it does mean she was ignorant; lacking knowledge or awareness about a particular thing.
In the third case, the reason the perpetrator would want to disguise his handwriting is because it was distinctive enough that someone in the Wacker family would easily recognize it. Someone very close to the family was the perpetrator.
and that also explains how the person always knew their phone number when it was changed. I would assume they would tell all of their close friends and family their new number. It had to be one of them for sure. Also explains how the person got to the front door to leave the note without being seen. If they were supposed to be watching the front door then it was easy.
If that were the case, then why didn't Dorothy recognise the person who attacked her, and do an identikit drawing of a young man, who obviously was not someone she knew or recognised😕
@@joanneginever1890 Someone that was hired. I think that the attack did not go as planned when she survived and the person behind it changed tacks to avoid another attack that would lay more of a trail to them.
Along those lines I would also take a long hard look at whoever "FOUND" the final note. Not saying that this makes them a guarantee or definite guilty individual but it is a good place to start. From there try to figure where each person was and corroborate there location with every other person there and see who seems more likely or inconsistent. May not work but a start. What up LAZY love your stuff.
They all ran to the front door cause she heard thumbing so they all found the last note
For Katie's case, they should look at any of her friends, acquaintances, or perhaps even an ex that would have a job that allows them some kind of knife-cutting skills. Two things are for sure - that was a heated, personal crime and that person knows how to wield a blade. Scary stuff, poor Katie :(
Katie and Emma’s case is heartbreaking to me especially due to my own girlfriend being just as stubborn and having a habit of wearing her headphones all the time. I can’t imagine being Emma and finding your dog and the love of your life like that, and I hope that somehow she can move forward and keep going at the very least.
For Story #1: Ever since I first heard this case I thought besides a "medical professional" the perp could have been someone else who was familiar with knives and carving e.g. someone like a hunter or a butcher. I lean towards hunter because the person was skilled with a knife and was comfortable being around an animal and being able to subdue it.
Yeah, there really aren’t many people with medical backgrounds stalking people in public and killing them. Not to say it’s impossible but it’s usually an “Angel of Death” type thing than a brutal bloody killing.
@@marquisdelafayette1929 except for jack the ripper
I was thinking a butcher, too.
Honestly it’s 2022. It just means any asshole with google and a suspect search history
Katie and Bowie’s story is sooo heartbreaking. I hope whoever did that to them gets caught and isn’t able to hurt anyone else like that ever again.
You didnt mention her sexuality or tattoo, bigot.
Katie's murder was so clearly personal. Lots of hugs to Emma. Re: Nick and Lisa, it's very unusual for someone to offer a 10mil investment. I think it was a setup related to the trial and/or his business - it seems they were panicking. That Cayman Island trip is a clue. I hope they're living well in the Maldives or another remote place. As for the Wackers, how horrifying. As it was pre-internet, perhaps their stalker worked at the phone company or had some access to their phone records. It also seems he wanted revenge for something and maybe had the wrong people? Also clear he was watching the house. He did sound British. Never allow a stranger in your home, no matter what!
Lazy could read the ingredients off a shampoo bottle and I would still listen intently.
I can hear it in his 'reading the patreons' voice
He does... but it's behind that damn OF paywall...
Underrated comment.
lol same
The first story makes me so sad. Poor Katie/Bowie, and poor Emma. (And yes, NEVER go walking alone with headphones on, especially noise-cancelling ones! Has been true since the days of Sony Walkman.)
Or just don’t walk at 12am in general
@@wolfetteplays8894 yeah you're kinda out of touch with reality if you go walking late at night in a city with noise cancelling ear phones lmao.
Yes! I went to college in Philadelphia in the late 1990's , I remember SO many adults AND children who were ran over by trains because they were WALKING 🚶♂️ in the middle of 🚆 tracks with 🎧 on and could NOT hear the horn of the train and got ran over!! I remember seeing THE most devastated engineer!! The Amtrak went almost 100 miles an hour and takes a long time for it to stop. If it's honking and is not heard, it cannot stop in time to save the person. Same went for the commuter trains. They had to tell people, both children AND grown people to stop walking on train tracks for 1 then stop walking in the middle with noise canceling headphones on!!!
@@deaditedude9201 considering her demographic categories, this tracks pretty well lmao
@: lesbian couples rate highest in cases of domestic violence. The statistics on that are not pretty 😶
In the first case, Katie may not have known her attacker, but they certainly knew her, based on what was done to her. Maybe it was someone who asked her out and got rejected by her, or maybe it was just some weirdo who obsessed over her from afar, but in any case they hated her enough to destroy her face, and apparently also hated the fact she was gay. So it definitely wasn't some rando. They probably knew her habits and knew she visited that park to walk her dog, and also knew that the security cameras were out. I would have thought this would help the police narrow down suspects, but many of the stories you cover feature police incompetence and corruption, so this is likely another example of that.
I was thinking.. They said Katie always goes to say hi to Emma while she’s at work while along on walks. Could it be a customer/regular from the bar? That could explain quite a bit.
@@Daziesandconfuzed But off of Katie's fashion, it seems that lower back tattoo would have only been seen by those in her small circle...I wonder if she had any exes?
The last case reminds me of the Cindy James case … it also reminds me of this other case I saw on an old episode of forensic files where an elderly couple was getting sick over and over again with no explanation. The police thought it was the husband poisoning his wife and feigning illness but when he died and lethal levels of poison were in his system that theory went. Long story short it ended up being their neighborhood errand boy that just came over to lend a helping hand and be like a surrogate grandson out of the kindness of his heart. He got them to sign some financial documents and then he started picking up their groceries for them as a favor and that’s when he would slip in the poison. So sometimes these cases are just literally people in the background that you would never suspect or even think about and that’s how these type of perps want it. I think it’s important for family and friends to check up on each other and be more present to see who our loved ones are letting into their lives whether it’s a neighbor, handyman, church acquaintance or anyone outside of the normal circle of people cus you never ever know peoples intentions. 😳
The last couple made me think of a case whereby a homeless, not-all-there man constantly, constantly harrassed the owner of the home over a long period of time. Turns out he used to own the house and the back had foreclosed. Perhaps someone wanted them out of the house for whatever reason?
If there's one thing I learned during my years of law enforcement and being a private investigator, is everyone, even the nicest of people, have enemies.
Especially the nicest people.
@@glamdolly30 and most murders are still done by someone the victim knows. So, at the very least, at one point, they did have an enemy that would end them. Whether they knew it or not.
@@glamdolly30 I'd bet that many people know people that want and would murder them but the timing just isn't right. It takes one more push, one more bad day, or one more year or two of things building up without letting off steam before someone snaps. Doesn't always happen but I think a lot of people have that person somewhere in their lives.
Sometimes it isn't even personal. Many people are on edge than people realize. You can stumble into their life one day and it's just all bad timing.
@@secularbelt Statistically, that’s true. I feel like she was the target of a complete stranger. Or maybe they knew Katie but she didn’t know them.
I'm gonna say that whatever was going on with the Whackers, the note leaver and caller was someone close to the family. Someone who could get the new number easily without rousing suspicion.
That's what I've always thought.
How do you think this could make sense? Do you truly believe they wouldn’t be able to tell that the caller (who might I add, there’s no record of them masking their voice) was someone they knew personally on a deep level? Dorothy literally saw the person who attacked her and didn’t give a name. She had no clue. Phone numbers are on a public record with phone books. It’s not at all a stretch to assume the person devoted all their time to learning every bit of their lives and had the resources available to do it. They may be a thing of the past, but even now most people are on public record in some capacity with almost all of their personal information available online. It has only gotten worse over time.
Not to mention, no ideas were presented via the handwriting on the letters. If your theory is to be believed, this is either the most botched case in history or the Wackers were suffering from some kind of mental illness preventing them from remembering personal information. The fatal flaw here is that the only information we have on this now is via the Unsolved Mysteries wiki which teases this theory. The police were so brazen as to even suspect Bill for this, allegedly, when evidence pointed to otherwise. How could a man in his late 60’s-70’s do all of this so fast? This case is a mess.
The truth is that this stalker is most likely someone they met only maybe a handful of times, or someone that randomly chose them.
Most definitely agree. Twisted. Crazy.
I think the clue on the wall ' cheaper will do' implies some innocuous incident to the Wackers but it was a big deal to the perpetrator. Maybe something involving buying something. The killer could've also wanted the house they lived in and he was trying to get them to sell up.
I was thinking it could be someone working in law enforecement, since the person knew how to get through the stake out. Stalking someone like that requires a lot of work, even if they know them. Could be someone who wanted to get their hands on their property, though nine years is a long time to keep at it without taking things further. It might not be an individual either, but a group or couple who work together. Leaving notes and callling is one thing, but physically showing up to hurt her is on another level. Yet the person didn't severely hurt her, and didn't hurt Bill. I also find it a bit odd that the person eventually stopped, and that no one else has reported anything similar-- that kind of behaviour is so antisocial and obsessive that giving it up after nine years and not acting out in other ways or towards other people seem strange. But why the couple didn't move is what I find the strangest, I know it's not everyone who can afford to move on a whim and that they could be attached to the place-- knowing someone is stalking you and has entered your home in the past would be a very good reason to save up everything you can to move.
I interrupted a break in last night (it worked out fine, everyones ok) but my roommates all insisted I relax by watching something _other_ than true crime. But Lazy uploaded, what else am I suppose to do?
Exactly
Yikes, I hope you all have security cameras around the building somewhere
Did no one tell you it's rude to interrupt, Sarah?
Good on ya!
thats scary!
as someone from atlanta, the first story is extremely unnerving. i used to live in that area. the main entrances to piedmont park and the surrounding neighborhood are pretty well lit - and no matter the time of day or night, there are usually a handful of people mingling around. it’s also not far from the beltline which is almost never without late night runners or party goers walking home. it’s incredibly strange and terrifying that seemingly no one saw or heard anything that night. i hope there’s some movement in this case and the perp is caught, i want to know how this happened - something so brutal in a popular area without anyone seeing - and i want justice for katie and bowie.
side note: this story brings up the memory from 2019 when my girlfriend and i were walking home from a bar off of ponce back to the virginia highlands area and noticed a barefoot dirty shirtless man swinging a hatchet around while walking down the street… so honestly, an opportunist passing through being the perpetrator wouldn’t be too surprising. though, i really hope not.
It’s just wild to think of the amount of time the attacker would have had to be present at the scene to attack and kill both the dog and Katie, stabbing her SO many times, without ANYONE seeing or hearing. It’s bizarre they chose such a public spot whether it was the middle of the night or not. You’d think there would be some witnesses. Not to mention NONE of the cameras working at the time. So infuriating. I’ve lived in ATL all my life as well and visited piedmont park numerous times. This case is unfathomable. I pray it gets solved.
The phrases “that’s a laugh” and “to do someone in” are not common but definitely ones I’ve heard in the US. Definitely not a smoking gun for the perp having been from the UK.
I've heard them many many times, but they are more common among an older generation. To do someone in was often used in connection with mobsters. Yes, I'm part of the older generation.
@@split-wb7bg Yeah, that was my first thought -- that this is definitely an older person who wrote those notes.
I think I've used both of those expressions in my writing, and I'm 23 and not British either. Maybe the perp reads a lot of books by English authors lol
I’m from Ohio, and I definitely have heard/said “do you in,” but “that’s a laugh” does sound pretty foreign to me. But of course, you’re right, it’s not 100%.
I've heard these phrases in old films in the U.S. That might be a telling clue. As others have pointed out, it would make sense if Dorothy was the one behind it. The note doesn't seem consistent with a young man like she described and the perp returning the stolen items makes me think those items may have never left the property. The only thing I wonder is whether her husband received those phone calls also and heard the banging on the door while she was in the room. Those details aren't very clear.
It's very possible Katie knew the killer but no one else she knew did. If she had the habit of walking her dogs alone it's possible she could have befriended other dogwalkers casually.
The strangest thing for me is how the numerous amount of times Katie and I had walked her other dog late late at night and never went into the park. We even discussed several times how we would never go into the park after dark...maybe she was tricked by a face she knew ...and entered.
@@fillupmidtown did you know her?
Smart
@Emelie Deery very well...we were roommates.
For the story with the Masee’s, don’t rush to rule out exes. A friend of my family’s ex wife stalked him for 14 years (she had, in the meantime, had married twice, her second marriage ending with that husband’s death). When it finally got extreme enough, that was when he finally got a restraining order against her and it was delivered to her in front of the current husband, who had no idea that she was still stalking her 1st husband. Even their own daughter was begging her mom to get psychiatric treatment.
I’m also going to add that she harassed my family for the 14 years that she was stalking him. We had tried to stay neutral, at first, but then the first “Christmas letter” came and we decided that she was psychotic. She found out where I worked when she came in to shop. I had to preemptively talk to my managers to head her off before she made trouble for me at work. They were flabbergasted at how long she had been harassing our family and stalking her ex. I was given permission to come in to the office if I saw her and send a manager to go assist her the next time she came in, as I didn’t want my coworkers to have to help her, either.
We as a society have developed all these surveillance and security devices that can spot small ass details, yet we still have people committing murders getting off Scott free. It’s so frustrating.
I’ve been to Piedmont park on my own a couple of times in the past when I lived in Atlanta. Both of these times were in broad daylight with dozens of other park-goers there. I would *never* consider walking anywhere alone at night, let alone with headphones in. That is terrifying.
I’m from the Atlanta area and I remember how sad and scary the news of Katie and Bowie was. I was getting texts from people saying there was a serial killer on the loose due to the other murder Lazy mentioned. That was never proven and the cops said it wasn’t connected, but still…you never know. Be safe out there everyone.
Omg that first one absolutely broke me, for both Katie and Bowie. Her fiancé Emma seeing the love of her life butchered and eviscerated. I can’t even think about what poor Bowie went through trying to protect his mom. I think she was targeted by some homophobic pos, there’s a lot of anger behind that many stab wounds. Fly high Katie & Bowie 🏳️🌈🐾
I see where you're coming from with the tattoo, but that is also a readily accessible area to repeatedly stab. Especially if you're struggling.
You could be correct. The "I think" is the only thing you really know for sure.
@@TaxMan1776 a lot of parts of the body can be easily targeted/stabbed
The way she was mutilated repeatedly with almost medical precision and had letters carved into her back seems to me that who ever did this felt a lot of hatred and knew exactly what he (most likely) was doing. This combined with the fact that no money or possessions were stolen suggests a premeditated crime, most likely not the work of a random drunk/stoned homeless person. I personally think it was either someone who knew her and held some grudge against her or a hate crime (or both).
@@marianatheschizoid5912 I agree, adding all that to poor Bowie: Most criminals take the easiest route possible-they will not take a chance on someone with a dog, _especially_ a pitbull or other large/aggressive breeds. The perp had to have known Bowie (and obviously Katie by extension) in order to get close enough to kill the dog without getting mauled or alerting Katie via the dog making a ruckus. I think they knew them both, came up to Katie, went to pet Bowie, and then swiftly killed him before switching gears.
@@gobalbucs no the perp didn’t have to know the dog. Consider this: “hey there! What a handsome boy. I love pits. Can I say hi?”
- sure
:pets the dog:
“Can I give him a treat?”
Okay
:gives treat:
Then stabs the dog. Owner in shock, with any reaction, gets stabbed.
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For the second one...it's the cat for me. I'm thinking foul play because yeah, they could have started over somewhere, and yeah, leaving the cat is better to convince people you were abducted or something happened to you, but then why call and prevent people from worrying about you for longer, thus leaving your cat without proper care for longer? By all accounts they were good people, so I don't understand why they would do that to their pet if they left willingly. And if they'd gone on an impromptu trip and something happened along the way (foul play or an accident), they would have contacted someone to take care of the cat.
Zip ties...
I live in Atlanta, that first case really rocked us down here. Everyone believes it could possibly be a serial killer, due to the brutality of the attack. RIP Katie, and thanks for giving her case a platform Lazy!
That was my first thought , a serial killer!!! Frightening he has not been caught .
You didnt comment on her sexuality. Your social credit score has lowered.
@@generalmarkmilleyisbenedic8895oh wait ur tapped lmao carry on
I think most sleuths who have studied the Whacker case have concluded that Bob hired the blonde guy, and he orchestrated most of the events.
The events concluded completely after Bob died; so his wife had ten years of relative calm.
Interesting. What is his suspected motive?
@@Sarah-eh7bw maybe he had another woman and was trying to drive her to suicide or kill her.
Could it be that Bob fathered the blond man but left the mother and wanted nothing to do with them? Instead staying with his wife. Would explain the hate.
@John James But, Bob didn’t die until 6 years later. So, Bob’s death would have no bearing on the time frame of the harassment.
That's what I was thinking. everyone is ruling out the husband but it could still be possible. Not sure though
I'm an ATL native. Katie's murder happened on the night of my wedding. I appreciate you covering this story as I have been waiting for someone to cover it and put it out to the public. Thank you
Remember this case well. What a horrific way for Katie & Bowie to go. What type of psycho stabs an innocent woman & dog to death for no apparent reason?..They are just pure evil..My heart breaks for the victims & the girlfriend, loved ones left behind.
It's a crazy, scary world we live in. I'm glad I didn't have any human children because I wouldn't be able to relax from worrying anytime they left the house. It's bad enough worrying about family members/partner/baby dog as it is.
I have to say, these stories really make me feel sick to my stomach no matter how many times I hear the same one.
Yeah I feel the same way. Absolutely horrible all of it. So heartbreaking and I hope Katie's relatives and friends are doing alright.
@@jackgreen5875 💔😔🕊
weak
It sounds like a hate crime too, because her rainbow tattoo was targeted as well. It's heartbreaking :(
The most chilling thing about this is her attacker is out there. Likely he’s done this before and will do it again. Jesus Christ, this poor woman didn’t deserve that.
Weird - The Masees look just like some guests I used to bartend for at a casino. Rose and Doug. Doug would spend most of the night hanging out by the bar, talking about English castles he's done business in and his yacht while Rose would come and go, chatting with randoms at the bar or otherwise going out to gamble. They look dead on to these two, mustache especially.
We found em, boys!!
Where was your casino?
Get that $50,000 reward then what are you waiting for
@@chinditone Western Washington State
@@JunkerBunker It's been yeaaars, no idea if they even go there anymore.
The wackers lived in that same house for many many years. I wonder if it was in the way of some business trying to put a factory on their land or something and were using some scare tactics to try and make them leave.
This is a really interesting theory because they clearly could have killed or physically harmed them if they wanted, but they were only trying to scare…
Hmm sounds plausible, specially with the "get the message" final note
for nine years? nah
Yes but they would know if someone wanted to buy their land.. so they'd be able to put 2 n 2 together. I wondered if it were one of her children, who was eventually going to kill them 4 inheritance... but even then why would they harrass them 4 years b4. Either way I feel very sorry 4 them. Even after just one year of it , I'd have moved to the other side of the country. Fuck that, 4 a decade!
That actually happened in my neighborhood. A neighbor wanted to buy the lot directly next to his mother’s, tear the house down, and put a garage. The old man that lived in the house was half nuts. This neighbor would throw tiny pebbles at windows in the middle of the night and stuff like that. The crazy old man developed a habit of walking the neighborhood at all hours “Looking for prowlers.” As a baby, my mother was feeding me in the middle of the night when she looked up and saw this nut on his “prowler” search. He was literally standing directly outside the window staring in. When my grandfather heard my mother scream he sprinted outside and almost killed the guy. In the end the neighbor did get that lot and his business is still there in 2022. That all happened in the early 1980s.
One other incident with him, on one of his 3am searches he was caught cutting through the local police chief’s driveway. When confronted he gave his normal Prowler story, to which the officer replied “You’re the god damn prowler.”
Maybe just maybe lazy masquerade had something to do with with story 3. He knew a lot about the situation and the UK/ London slang. Plus he wants us to stay spooky and in the dark. I'm onto you Lazy.
That first story made me think of my mom. She also has a pit and walks him during the day and night. I do worry about them when they go out but try not to think about the worst case scenario. She always says to be aware of your surroundings and pay attention. Katie and Bowie's story is so unfortunate. 😔
Where are our tax payers money going, if we can’t even depend on CCTV working that could have caught this horrible crime on tape along with the face of her and Bowie’s killer.. I would say it was definitely a hate crime because of the tattoo being demolished! So sad 😞
The tat could’ve been demolished for a different reason. This is why they’ll never call you for jury duty
@@wolfetteplays8894 it was def a hate crime💀 or at the least a hate fueled attack, I mean the perpetrator literally carved "FAT" onto her torso
Thank you for covering that Atlanta story. I live there and it is absolutely terrifying to know this happened. I feel like people outside the city commented that it’s unsafe to walk alone at night and unsafe to walk with earphones in…the truth is, where she was walking is a relatively safe and affluent area and even at night there is a lot of foot traffic due to nearby bars. I’ve definitely become more mindful after several incidents involving women this year in Atlanta. What happened to to Katie is absolutely tragic and terrifying. I wish her family, friends, and fiancé peace and healing.
Kinda random note for the third story but I live in stark county OH myself my whole life, And nobody would describe anything as “a laugh” I think your UK direction is on point personally.
The first story is extremely unnerving as it happened very near to where I go to school. I remember when the news about Katie got out, everyone was freaking out and kept posting about it on social media. Sadly, the buzz died down as soon as it first started with no new leads from the case. What made me more disturbed was when my friend and I were talking about it and she mentioned how we were at the same exact spot where Katie was last seen on video footage(the rainbow road) a few days ago...
This murder was deeply devastating and my heart goes out to Katie's family, I hope authorities will come up with something eventually.
I am an Atlanta native born in May of 1969 and Piedmont Park is one of mine and my daughter’s favorite places and it is an incredibly beautiful place but though I’d absolutely love to live in that exact area I honestly would never go there alone during the night even with my dog. This story absolutely wrenches my soul for this lady and her precious dog! I have so many amazing memories of being in that park even back to my childhood and knowing that this brutal murder happening there just deeply effects me to the pit of my soul. I pray that she and her precious boy are together now in a much better place. 💔😞🙏🏻
On the first case, hear me out my fellow sleuths.
1: I don't think it was the fiance. She was at work, with witnesses, and I'm sure they got a pretty accurate time of death to rule her fiance out by having loads of staff and customers as witnesses. Her alibi is pretty air tight.
2: I would never rule out a mentally unstable stranger, be it homeless or otherwise. But, I don't think that is the answer. None of her possessions were stolen, you would think that if the motivation was robbery,or even as an after thought, someone begging for food would have managed to steal something. Anyone who did this would be absolutely covered in blood after that many stab wounds on Katie and Bowie, carving words into her, and the mutilation of her body. Any mentally unstable homeless person with no car to hop in close by would probably be seen. It's possible, but not probable.
3: Due to the very personal nature of the attack, I think the culprit knew Katie, but she may not have known her attacker all that well (or at all). I'll go more deep into that in a second. Stabbing someone that many times is really hard work, not to mention they targeted her face, tattoo, and took the time (in the entrance of a park completely exposed) to carved a very personal message on her stomach. That screams personal, whether that is a perceived grudge that she knew nothing about or something that may have happened, but she blew off as not that serious. Whatever the case, it was personal for the murderer.
4: I'm going to float a few people who were left off the list of people who could definitely have done this and still flown under the radar. The first one I would love to hear if the police checked are coworkers of her fiance. I can't tell you how many times I've had coworkers develop unwanted feelings and the need to try and force some sort of relationship with me. Her coworkers would know that Katie comes in as her routine, they would know her fiance's schedule, they would no doubt have been introduced to both the dogs, and if they were a man feeling that the fiance should be with them because they felt Katie was too fat, too ugly, and of course because she was a woman... that would explain all the very personal attacks on specific body parts. On top of this, Katie would probably have already met them, so they could get right up on her, chat with her, squat down to "pet" Bowie before taking the pup out first since they would be the biggest threat. Also none of the murderer's blood was found at the scene or in the dog's mouth, so I don't think Bowie even had a chance to react and defend either of them. I do believe Katie tried to defend Bowie, began taking defensive wounds, turned to run, then was struck on the neck and taken down. It seems more logical to the evidence that has been presented. Then, they could run to their car and just drive away.
5: A stalker of either Katie or her fiance. The same scenario above can account for a stalker for her fiance, maybe Katie hadn't met them like with a coworker, but since she does the walk-the-doggo-in-the-park as a routine...a stalker could definitely be a local routine customer and have stopped Katie to ask to pet the dogs regularly. Most dog owners love showing off their fur babies, especially pittie owners, since they are such love bugs. It wouldn't have been hard to establish a friendly relationship with a pittie, and could explain again why they were able to get so close without Bowie attacking. If they were stalking Katie through her nightly routine, maybe they had asked her out, found out she was a lesbian, and that pushed them over the edge. If they were stalking her fiance, the same scenario as the coworker could have taken place.
6: Katie's stalker was one of *her* coworkers or customers as a bartender. You get closer to your coworkers and regulars after a bit. You share things about your life, and if you add coworkers to your social media... well they have a window into your life that you may not realize. Not to mention, I share stuff about my dog a lot easier than I do about anything else in my life. It wouldn't feel unsafe to talk about your pet and what they like, places you go with them, or fun routines. Just because the murder took place near her fiance's work, doesn't mean it had to have anything to do with her fiance. They just knew her routine really well.
These are the things I think should be combed over by the police, dig deeper into anyone who may have been a coworker with a night off, or an overly friendly regular from both women's jobs.
This comments need more likes! I wish I could magically be a detective to work on this case- or any case in these videos. All of these story’s are so brutal..Trip how at this moment the very thing that happened to her could be happening to someone as I write this or as you read this. It’s a cruel place tbh. Anyways you’re really pretty btw!
@@dulapeeps3043 Thank you so much, unfortunately comments get buried pretty quickly! 😅 I wish I could work on it too, even if it is just brainstorming with all the evidence. I love me a good who-done-it, and I want to see the person who did this to get justice handed to them. ⚖️ Aww, thank you so much for the compliment! That's super sweet and I appreciate you. 🤩
I have a feeling that the coworker theory could be true since Katie could have let her guard to talk of something. I just have a strong feeling the murderer knew who she was and was familiar with her routines and her pets. It’s really sad that nobody witnessed this horrific crime :( may Katie and Bowie Rest In Peace
I'm going to suggest... someone was a regular to the park. You don't have to be homeless to be a regular at the park, spontaneously take an interest in someone... and turn stalker-ish to find out more about them, no matter how guarded they might be.
As you say, particularly (for some reason) pittie owners are proud of their dogs and LOVE to share them with other people. Unfortunately, even that I rather hate the notoriety pit's had in the past for dog-fighting and inbreeding... Too many shows like "Pitbulls and Parolees" and "Too Cute" and anything with Cesar Romirez have informed people how undeserved the label is (provided the pitbull has a relatively clean bloodline)... SO they're not the abominable monster that they used to be...
AND finally, ANYBODY can become homeless. It's a sad reality in our society. Just because someone has some medical training, or even a lot of medical training, it doesn't make them actually graduate med' school. Almost anything can disrupt their chosen academic direction, and land them in "dire straits"... and after "the chain of events" and getting overloaded... They're on the streets with nothing...
BUT it doesn't require someone to be homeless to be regular at the park... AND since she was predictable, that might even be where Katie met him/her (probably him)... A relatively charismatic stranger at the park, good clothes, "clean cut"... funny... That's all it takes, really. Hell, I'm a biker with black leather 90% of the time I'm in public... scruffy wind-battered beard, a "resting bitch face" series of lines developing in my mid-40's... AND people come up all the time with jovial small talk... laugh at my remarks... even my darkest humor (and former Navy on a Gator Freighter who's seen action, so it's pretty dark)...
I'm not saying it's just that easy... obviously. BUT from the tone of the story... the earphones... refusing to even carry pepper spray??? Yeah, those are the marks of a naive person. Katie would've been more than the average kind of "trusting" in strangers that didn't appear to pose a threat at the time. Then it wouldn't have been difficult to get close... track her down or back track her...
...AND from dubiously secret infatuation... to perhaps a deluded ideal of her sharing his feelings... then the bombshell that she's got a fiance... a GIRLFRIEND??? AND this otherwise unassuming type goes "Jekyll and Hyde"...
It's not necessarily right.. BUT this is just how "random" it can get, especially in a city the size of Atlanta... AND it's a kind of a... well... kind of a screwy town down there. ;o)
@@chellebethel You covered the basics : So, Let's close the case with what actually happened
It was a Teenager. Living few blocks from her place. They both didn't knew each other.. being the age difference. But, seen eachother.
The Teen got obsessed with Killing by watching crazy old tapes of killers... and wanted to try out for himself. That night he went out looking for any victim ..found the woman and her Dog.
Teen back-stepped a little but soon couldn't hold the urge to KiLL. Approached the Woman. Woman stopped and asked if its the same teen from few blocks... Teen pat the Dog and smiled while replying with a Yes.
Teen stabbed the Dog near the neck... making the DOG incapacitated. Woman tried to push the Teen only to met with countless stab in quick succession.
After the woman DiED, Teen looked at Dog who dragged itself few metres. He went in close and stabbed it many more Times. But, had to leave because he heard someone approaching. This was her lover. Teen went back to the house from the basement... cleaned itself and went to bed 🛏️
I live in Atlanta and basically quit/got fired for not wanting to walk alone at 3am (time I got off) and this happened a week later. I only worked 5 mins away from that park.
Lazy! I don't know how you do it but the way you present mysteries is better than all other channels focusing on things like this. Always a pleasure to see a new video from you.
Weird. I just stared cutting carrots for dinner.
The Masee’s... third possibility: they did make an escape. But after a while, whoever they were running from found them.
Why would they abandon their cat? That might not sound like a big deal, but I think there is more to the story than just running off and starting a new life.
@@dragonsky799 the cat is a liability. Unless they dye the cat, someone could recognize them
@@wolfetteplays8894 I'm saying, I'm sure they would've found someone to take care of the cat instead of simply abandoning it if they knew they were going to leave for a long period of time, or even a short time. I realize it wouldn't be realistic to take the cat with them. Lol
@dragonsdendreaming I am sure they knew that one of their children would take possession of it. If they left it with someone then that would imply that they were actually going somewhere for longterm....
@@detrajackson5992 Sorry, I think something terrible happened to these people. I don't think they left willingly.
I’ve been watching Lazy since the beginning back in 2015 I think it was, and still one of my favorite channels 💕
The first one sounds like a hate crime. You would have to have a whole lot of hate to unalive someone do brutally as well as attack a dog
All these missing people and unsolved murders, someone needs to be a voice for them so they're not forgotten
Jesus that first story is horrifying.
Her partner having been the one to find her and her dog is so heartbreaking. She has to live with that forever.
I like how your channel has evolved over the years. You went from personal scary stories to covering all sorts of mysteries, yet your content retains the soul it always had.
The Last Story is truly heartbreaking I feel so sorry for them to have had to put through that, and for him to get away with it is truly sickening and scary.
I think katie definitely knew her attacker. I think he or she was able to get close and kill bowie first because they were familiar with the dog. Then the level of brutality and the fact that the word fat was carved into her makes it see really personal.
something really haunting about the fact that katie was likely killed in a hate crime targeting her sexuality and the last image of her alive is of her and bowie walking across a rainbow crosswalk 💔
Poor doggy. Don’t walk alone at night guys and especially not with earphones. It’s probable this was a hate crime as they targeted her tattoo but having any technology on you makes you a target. This was terrible. RIP Katie and Bowie
Not really, disfigurement of distinctive tattoos is quite a common way killers use to try to slow the identification process.
@@nunceccemortiferiscultu7826 For killers that think the victim being identified to begin with could then be traced back to the killer... you know, like in hate crimes where it was personal.
@@zacharyshort384 isn't disfigurement of the corpse to prevent identification more of an organized crime thing?
@@toolinaround-est2024 It's anyone that has that knowledge *and* ,like I mentioned in my prior post, if they think the identity of the victim could be used to trace it back to the killer. Is it more common among organized crime? Probably.
@@zacharyshort384 yeah and having said that, as rare as this kind of hate crime is, the idea that this woman was mixed up with organized crime is even harder to believe.
I once was left University still wearing my headphones while walking back to my car. It was late, and I was walking down the middle of a dark side street. I turned around and there was a man walking towards me also in the middle of the street. Pulled my headphones down at that point and kept walking. Every time I looked he was still heading my way. I walked casually but very cautiously until my car was next to me and I quickly unlocked the door, got inside and locked it. I saw him move to the sidewalk where he literally just stood acting occupied on his phone. The back door to my van properly shut and I quickly to hopped out to close it but the moment I opened the door he started walking towards me again. I almost lost a pair of pants lol. But luckily I made it back inside in time to lock my car again. To which again he tucked himself off to the side. Scary stuff!
Every time I hear your voice it brings me back a few years to when I first started listening to horror stories.. it’s the reason I love them so much!! Never stop, for our sake!❤️😂
Being from the metro Atlanta area, the first one doesn't surprise me. It's definitely not safe to walk around Atlanta at night. Anyone that thinks otherwise is naive, and doesn't really know Atlanta. I was once threatened to be shot because of my skin color, just for driving through one area at night. People can be very hateful just in passing in general.
Also, one doesn't need medical training to cut like that. Just needs to listen to a lot of crime or medical related content. I've learned a lot about terrible wounds just from listening to stories like these.
Stay safe out there, frens.
I agree, the whole "they must've been a medical practitioner" because they know where to cut is such weak evidence and isn't affirmative of anything.
DesWulf, huge up and coming star in the oppression Olympics
@@khalil7011 Yes butchers and chefs can cut like that, or say someone who likes cooking or hunting.
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@@dizasteroid7 nice dog whistle, dick. You seem like a lovely person. Totally rational too. I am sure those around you feel so lucky to know you.
I truly hope the first case gets solved soon. Much love goes out to her fiance because I can't imagine how she must be right now.
Very, very sad for Katie. Wearing headphones is risky in situations like this. At least keep one of them out or off the ear. I don't even go to Piedmont Park in the day time anymore because it's sketchy and certainly at night after the park is closed at 11pm would be a hard no. There would not have been a lot of park 'visitors' when she was there. Anyone in that park after hours is up to no good or looking for a place to sleep. I believe the person who did this horrible crime to her and Bowie is someone they were both familiar with. How else could someone get that close to such a large dog without the dog indicating stranger danger.
I read about Katie's and Bowie's story in the dailymail last year and just cried and cried at the photos of them together. Just so sad.
Story #1: I lived in Atlanta around the time this happened. I was so scared after my coworkers shared this incident with me soon after it went public. As someone who loved going to Piedmont Park (only during day time on weekends) and have attended activities near the 10th street entrance, I didn't go back since.
Smart you💕
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Emma is a brave soul! Who would continue on searching a dark deserted park after finding your dog murdered?
I would but I'd be shitting myself - that being said thats 10/10 bravery by Emma ♡
I suppose she was running on the hope that Katie was okay, or the adrenaline of panic. I can't imagine being in her place.
For the wackers why didn’t they just get police to watch the place and instal cameras? Their family eventually did a stakeout but why didn’t the cops do this instead?
During the family stakeout of the home a note was pinned to the front door yet no one saw anyone approach the house. Dorothy put the note on herself. Her husband was in on it too
@@debbieanne7962 I agree that Dorothy was the culprit, but really I think her husband didn't know. He was a no nonsense type of guy who wouldn't have bothered going to the trouble, imo. It makes me wonder if Dorothy's motive was simply attention for whatever reason, especially attention from her husband.
@@debbieanne7962 Do you really believe that? Why though? And how would she smack herself over the head so hard that it knocked her out, whilst being tied up? Because she couldn't have tied herself after being knocked out?
Camera's? This was the early 90's you couldn't just go buy a security system with video recording, and if you could you were very well off!
@@justincase2716 Where is it stated she was tied up when the neighbors were there? And there's no mention of her being examined for a concussion or injury by a medical professional. All these things are taken at face value, and I think they all come from her.
By the time any external witness arrives, she's clearly conscious because she was yelling. And she could've just had a chair sitting there with rope on it. Or tied the rope to her back and slid her hands under it. I don't think it's as difficult as one would initially think
I have a pitbull type dog. He's the sweetest, gentlest dog I've ever met, but his guard dog instincts are strong. He often watches the street outside and goes ballistic when someone knocks on the door. There's no way Bowie would've let that monster get at Katie without trying to protect her.
Unless the dog knew the attacker.
They are children at heart. Monsters wear human faces.
I don’t even feel comfortable using BOTH earphones when I’m in my house alone… much less walking in public! But that likely didn’t factor much into her death, because it 100% sounds like a personal attack.🥺
I’ve been following you since the start, but had to take a break from utube for a year and a half. I’m so happy to see you’re channel doing so well, you deserve it and more. Thanks Lazy for many… many long hours spent listening to your excellent story telling! Much respect from Alberta, Canada
The first story was literally at the end of my road, it’s so surreal hearing about this looking back. I wish I had heard something it was literally less than half a mile from where I had to have been relaxing
1st case sounds like a possible hate crime with the focus on the rainbow tattoo
I'm not sure. The shirt could have possibly covered up the tattoo since it was on her back. The shirt she is wearing looks like a plan t-shirt unless it has the back open. Unless the person who did it absolutely knew Katie or has seen the tattoo before we can't give a definitive yes or no
@@TheRisingHeroz that could make it more personal then. Someone knew about it before plus the pitbull would've ripped them to shreds.
@@squashedshibber2684 true, that is another thought I had. Someone has probably seen Katie with her partner or has seen just the tattoo. Could a reason the dog didn't feel a possible threat was that it knew the killer?
@@TheRisingHeroz that was sort of my thinking as well, that they knew her or had been watching her for long enough that they knew she was gay and targeted her partially/entirely because of that. Or, they could've been trying to make it look more like a hate crime by stabbing her tattoo honestly. Especially with the detail of the poor pittie being timid, it seems like there are a lot of possibilities as to what exactly happened that night.
@@natgrafton5138 Could’ve been an ex or another non-straight woman who did it to throw off the cops.
🥕 in hand... wait, that sounds crazy... never mind.
Story 1 - surely the park owners need to be held somewhat accountable for having ZERO cameras functioning.
What you doing with that carrot... callum?
@@stewartmeetball3417 just 'holding' it 👀
Ah, but you would assume that the City of Atlanta would actually hold itself accountable for once. Sorry to say, but there’s a reason why the rural communities surrounding that urban hellscape don’t look too fondly at folks from there passing through their neck of the woods. 😒
@@dondougherty902 yes, but none of them were functioning. didn’t you listen
The security cameras are a courtesy, not a law
Awareness of one's surroundings is always important. There have been countless times where my awareness saved my skin from unsavory encounters. And trust your gut always.
i live just south of atlanta and the first one is horrific. really shook me up, i cannot image the trauma emma went through finding her and her dog. the dog trying to save her breaks my heart.
On the first case, police say they're "getting close to finding who did it. There's a page about the case on Facebook where news is posted as soon as it's available.
Do you know the name of the Facebook page?
Please keep us updated? What’s the name of the page
I’d also like the name. I looked up some but barely found any let alone any still active ones.
I haven't watched your whole video, yet, but my own two cents on homeless medical workers: I am homeless, and I've been a certified veterinary assistant since I graduated high school. I took on several vet tech roles in the hospital I worked in, then continued my medical education into college- though, I was forced to drop out due to the 2008 economy crash. While in college, I met a man that spent his entire last two years in university, living out of his car, and didn't work up to a home for several years, while working in a hospital. I've been on the streets for about a decade, and have met MANY medical workers also out of work and home. I've met many individuals with college degrees, including Ph.D.s- anyone, from any background, and any level of education, or work security can become or even actively be homeless. My time at the local soup kitchens would suggest that most in there have jobs, but the jobs aren't enough to cover rent and utilities.
I don't know what the average rate of pay, versus cost of living is in Atlanta, but here in western Washington, I could easily believe that a doctor- eating, showering, washing clothes every day, and generally keeping up on hygiene and wellbeing- could still be homeless. I knew an ER surgeon and an EMT in my early days on the streets- the ER surgeon showered at work, before his shift, and had his clothes run with the hospital linens. He just had a very messy divorce, and wasn't on the streets long. They were both fairly happy and content with their lives, too.
If I don't edit this to comment on anything else, I still want to thank you for covering these topics, and being relatively mindful of these people as fellow thinking, feeling beings worth respecting.
This is true but I think the ones who are homeless and working are not murdering. Probably an insane persone or drug addict with past training.
@@xSwordLilyx I agree wholeheartedly (or, at least, I hope that to be our reality), I'm just responding to Lazy's suggestion that the skill set alone is worth discrediting the chance that the person could be homeless. Then again, one thing that hadn't crossed my mind while watching this is that butchers and hunters often have some level of precision with their cuts, too- and those don't take a dozen or so years of training.
Curious about the ER surgeon if you don't mind sharing what's his story was it university debts?
@AandJay'sEndlessPlaylist's 1 I knew him about a decade ago, so I'm not sure what I could say about him that I haven't, already. I recall his house, kids, and a majority of joint finances went to his wife, and that he was building up from scratch from that. He was amicable about leaving the money for his kids, though, so maybe it was a child support lump sum?
@@OlyChickenGuy thank you for your reply. ooh my bad I read it wrong I thought you were talking about the EMT in your above comment going through the divorce
No matter how many times I hear about the first story, it makes me sick every time. I wish so badly Katie had carried some form of protection on her. That was a vicious and personal attack, I’ve always believed it was a hate crime. And the fact her girlfriend was the one who found her, just heartbreaking (usually that seems odd, but the girlfriend was definitely not involved). RIP Katie and Bowie, may your case be solved sooner rather than later.
the girlfriend was definitely involved
@@howdareyouexist What makes you sat that?
@@howdareyouexist how?
@@howdareyouexist clearly she’s been ruled out as a suspect at this point and had 0 to do with it. She was undoubtedly the first person they questioned. Use critical thinking skills, please.
You libs have no one to blame but yourselves. You’re the ones who wants to take all of our guns.