Thanks for sharing! Glad you shared your experience with the N frame b/c I was thinking of getting a 27 with the 4" barrel. Can't abide the full lug in the 6" versions of the Smiths for some reason, so I wish S&W would either offer the 586/686 in half lug or reintroduce the 19/66 with the 6" barrel!
Yeah, that's me. I bought a S&W model 19-2 blued 4" took it apart cleaned it with blue wonder gun cleaner with some 0000 steel wool and it shines like new money but it has some wear, needed some lube in there, has some blueing loss around the cylinder, and end of barrel, but for me it's an everyday carry and a shooter.
I love my old mod 10 and mod 19. Thinking 586 next just for the fun of it. My father who loved long guns told me that hobbies are natures way of separating a man from his money. You know, nature always wins. Great video, as always.
I just bought a 19-4 in 95% or better condition. Even though it is a minimum of 41 years old, it still looks almost factory new. It reminds me a lot of my personal Model 19 that I went through the police academy with in 1981. That gun allowed me to qualify at the academy with constant scores of 299/300. (I never could pick up that 1 extra point, so I ended up 2nd in the class in marksmanship. The deputy who won was a regular competition shooter, there's my excuse 🤣 ) If you gave me a S&W revolver of current production, I would immediately sell it to some sucker, and then start looking for an older model, no younger than 80's vintage. I already have a Model 64 4" RB and a Model 65 3" RB, but you can never have too many quality Smiths from the old days. The 64 has a history since it is engraved as having belonged to a particular sheriff's office. That doesn't increase its value, but it adds to the "cool factor."
I will take that insight heartfully ❤️. Currently, I'm looking to order my first .357 Magnum in years. So this video will stick in my mind. If they have what I want to put in my collection 🤝
I've got a pristien 19-3 that I hate to shoot for fear of doing something stupid and lowering its value. What you have is exactly what I'm looking for. Great find, great video.
To get that rust off of there take some Blue Wonder gun cleaner and some 0000 steel wool. It will not take the blueing off but will get rid of the rust. Great for the barrel too! I use it on all my old Smith's and it works wonders. You must follow the directions precisely though!
Excellent video! I always find a little something that drives me nuts then I accept then I get used to small ding or spot and like it. When you buy old there is just going to be some imperfection so being prepared is great advice.
Well, I always held to the thought that if you don't have a hobby, life becomes a boring time and the unoccupied mind is a bad thing. Having said that,.all good hobbies will cost you money, and money, in my opinion, is only a means to an end, or a tool you can use to make your life a happy one. So if you can spare the cash, then go and enjoy it. My hobby ( some say, illness ) is shooting and collecting/ buying .22 rifles. I also enjoy watching good RUclips videos, like this one,.... So again David,...."go ahead, make my day!
The cracked frame on k frame smiths is a problem from the 70s and 60s where people were shooting 110 gr.bullets at 1800 plus fps handloads and super vel loads. I've been around tons of k frames and a few that were abused and have never seen anything but some limited flame cutting or forcing cone erosion. 😊
I have the same 357 magnum but mine is stainless steel! Great Gun I carried it as a Deputy Sheriff. When you look at it from the front of the barrel it looks like a cannon. The nice thing, it never misfired or got jammed. When your life depends on carrying the right gun the Smith & Westin 357 is the gun.
David------you know what,I trade a lot, if I am not happy with shooting them they go in a trade..........you sound like me..Wish I could spend sometime learning tricks on these revolvers from you although I am learning quite a lot from your videos. Amazing what you do with that wax. I think it looks fine............like the grips on the Stainless.
I agree with you: guns are for shooting, cars are for driving, women are for..., well you be the judge of that. A few cosmetic imperfections do not bother me at all. In each case you buy the package, not the part. I just bought a Bersa Thunder 9, an older one without any lock for $217.00. It looks fine, but not perfect. It feels great and I can barely wait to shoot it. Good luck with your new firearm; I hope you love it.
It's not a bad trade honestly. The 28 and the 19 are both excellent Revolvers. The 28 is a tank and can handle any factory 357. The 19 is a smaller Frame size and even though it has a longer Barrel then the 28, it's a smaller frame, so it may even feel lighter. One thing you could do is replace the side plate.
That's the problem I have in my S&w model 16-4, the old owner didn't take care very good of the gun and now I have some little pics of rust!!!! And because is a rare S&W and very expensive I really like to put my gun like new. Any ideas? The problem was the storage of the gun because this gun didn't shoot 10 bullets in the hands of the old owner! To me is one of the most beautiful S&W revolvers that exist, I love my gun " and the other guns I have to" .👍
I recently bought a s&w model 19-2. It has vintage n frame grips on it and I am looking for vintage k frame grips for it. Do you know where I can find any?
I know this was last year David but what matters is that you're happy with the model 19 with a much better action over your old model 28. Plus the model 19 is lighter and not bulky so its more convenient to carry than the model 28. Therefore; you made a great trade. I may not have either guns but would love to them especially the model 28 in a 6" barrel.
The 28 2 has one of the best triggers ever on any revolver and is a far superior gun to those others, in my experience, never heard anyone say bad about a 28 trigger.
I agree. Also that 28 will outlast that 19 in the number of . 357 rounds it can handle in its lifetime. K frames are a bit slim that way ( forcing cone issues too ) N frame 28 is overbuilt for the . 357 but will last forever. I think the L frame is the sweet spot. I have a 586-3 and a 686-3 that I enjoy shooting . 357 in. I save the .38 special for my 14-4. K frame is just right for . 38 special and .22 LR . Just my opinion.
@@Mike-up6go i have a k22 and have done videos of it,it still surprises me and I may never know its full potential or the best round for it,I have a 28 too and just adore it,lots of full house loads and no forcing cone issues or flame cutting.......
The holster wear and the scratches on the side plate tells me that this gun was worn in the woods hunting and tracking. While collectors might place a higher value on it if it spent it's whole life in a box, this honest wear doesn't detract from it's aesthetic value one bit in my opinion. Good job removing the rust while preserving it's history.
That's what I'm talking about! I like to get old Smith's with some character, do a little gunsmithing on them, and cleaning them up just to carry and shoot the hell out of! That's the fun of owning a gun!
I have a love for S&W revolvers. I don’t think you need a long barrel to find accuracy. I have a 3” barreled 686 that I’ve put somewhere around 2,000- 2,500 rounds through. It has seemed to lighten the trigger after those rounds. I have a new 4” 686 that’s had about 300 rounds put through it and it’s a bit stiff still. The lock bothered me for a bit but I’ve gotten past it. MIM parts are not an issue for me, never had one fail. It would be nice to have a recessed cylinder and serrations on the trigger, I’ll survive without it. I have a 66-2 made in 1983 that’s never been fired. I have a 66-6. I have a 66-8 with a two piece barrel, MIM hammer and trigger and a key lock. It also has a thicker completely round forcing cone and a cylinder that locks up very tight. My opinion a S&W revolver is superior to a Ruger and a Colt. Even with a key lock and MIM parts. I enjoy your revolver videos. The 19 is cool but I would have liked to have that 28.
Mine is quite a bit older but is identical other than mine has what looks like a trigger stop. I honestly did not know they even made a 'target' 19. Mine is identical to a K38 masterpiece except in .357. Mine was in much worse external shape than yours but I just got rid of the worst of the rust and gave it a couple of coats of cold blue.. What could it hurt? I did put a set of real pearl grips on it with a Tyler T grip. I load cast and coated 158 grain bullets at a 'mid range' loading of around 1250 fps. Extremely accurate... actually a good match for my 1969 minty Python. The action on mine had very little wear but was really gunked up with dried out oil and grease. Once cleaned and lightly lubed again it has a 2.5 single action I have a Trooper also but it is not near as smooth.. The Python? LOL... I won't even say because it would sound like exaggeration. My 1917 model made in 1918 does not have near the great action of the newer smiths.... I was really shocked tho that my Smith 629 has a fantastic trigger and great accuracy. I always have a pocket flashlight on me.. they are really powerful these days. The way I check the bore is put my thumbnail (or a business card) behind the forcing cone and shine the light on that. Back in the day we used to dry fire our revolvers endlessly while watching TV.... no idea how many pesky TV's were actually killed Elvis style. I will admit to one. Dry firing gave you a budget (free) trigger job. Wear in everything. If nothing else you can see the wear patterns.... And yeah... I am a shooter more than a collector. An 'unfired' gun has simply not met me yet.
Zaku2077 maybe. But I didn’t get the 19 to look at I got it for the trigger and the action, which are superb. Can’t say the same about that particular 28
Craig Benz I have NO interest in shooting full house 357 out of a 4 inch barrel tho Craig. So your reason for me wanting to keep it is.....well, your reason lol.
Brian Lence I did not have a lot into it to be honest. The fact is the trigger with stiff and I didn’t care for the way it shot. This 19 has a far superior trigger and action, so that’s why I made the trade
Thanks for sharing! Glad you shared your experience with the N frame b/c I was thinking of getting a 27 with the 4" barrel. Can't abide the full lug in the 6" versions of the Smiths for some reason, so I wish S&W would either offer the 586/686 in half lug or reintroduce the 19/66 with the 6" barrel!
I'll take even a beat-up or neglected pre-lock Smith over any brand-new one with the Hillary Hole and MIM parts.
AMEN!
Yeah, that's me. I bought a S&W model 19-2 blued 4" took it apart cleaned it with blue wonder gun cleaner with some 0000 steel wool and it shines like new money but it has some wear, needed some lube in there, has some blueing loss around the cylinder, and end of barrel, but for me it's an everyday carry and a shooter.
I love my old mod 10 and mod 19. Thinking 586 next just for the fun of it. My father who loved long guns told me that hobbies are natures way of separating a man from his money. You know, nature always wins. Great video, as always.
I just bought a 19-4 in 95% or better condition. Even though it is a minimum of 41 years old, it still looks almost factory new. It reminds me a lot of my personal Model 19 that I went through the police academy with in 1981. That gun allowed me to qualify at the academy with constant scores of 299/300. (I never could pick up that 1 extra point, so I ended up 2nd in the class in marksmanship. The deputy who won was a regular competition shooter, there's my excuse 🤣 )
If you gave me a S&W revolver of current production, I would immediately sell it to some sucker, and then start looking for an older model, no younger than 80's vintage.
I already have a Model 64 4" RB and a Model 65 3" RB, but you can never have too many quality Smiths from the old days. The 64 has a history since it is engraved as having belonged to a particular sheriff's office. That doesn't increase its value, but it adds to the "cool factor."
I will take that insight heartfully ❤️. Currently, I'm looking to order my first .357 Magnum in years. So this video will stick in my mind. If they have what I want to put in my collection 🤝
I've got a pristien 19-3 that I hate to shoot for fear of doing something stupid and lowering its value. What you have is exactly what I'm looking for. Great find, great video.
❤ my 19
To get that rust off of there take some Blue Wonder gun cleaner and some 0000 steel wool. It will not take the blueing off but will get rid of the rust. Great for the barrel too! I use it on all my old Smith's and it works wonders. You must follow the directions precisely though!
Excellent video! I always find a little something that drives me nuts then I accept then I get used to small ding or spot and like it. When you buy old there is just going to be some imperfection so being prepared is great advice.
Where did you get those grips for the SS model 66 ???? Very nice
Well, I always held to the thought that if you don't have a hobby, life becomes a boring time and the unoccupied mind is a bad thing.
Having said that,.all good hobbies will cost you money, and money, in my opinion, is only a means to an end, or a tool you can use to make your life a happy one.
So if you can spare the cash, then go and enjoy it.
My hobby ( some say, illness ) is shooting and collecting/ buying .22 rifles. I also enjoy watching good RUclips videos, like this one,....
So again David,...."go ahead, make my day!
Like that grip. I own a 629-6 and a Premodel 27
Put some cold blue in the pits and scratches then polish it. It will do a lot to hide it, put mineral oil on the wood to keep it from cracking.
Some cold blue in the pits and scratches will make these pits and scratches even wider.
Your model 66 appears to have the new shaped cylinder release. Which dash model is it?
The cracked frame on k frame smiths is a problem from the 70s and 60s where people were shooting 110 gr.bullets at 1800 plus fps handloads and super vel loads. I've been around tons of k frames and a few that were abused and have never seen anything but some limited flame cutting or forcing cone erosion. 😊
The Model 19 is a special gun. Hope you're still enjoying it
I have the same 357 magnum but mine is stainless steel! Great Gun I carried it as a Deputy Sheriff. When you look at it from the front of the barrel it looks like a cannon. The nice thing, it never misfired or got jammed. When your life depends on carrying the right gun the Smith & Westin 357 is the gun.
David------you know what,I trade a lot, if I am not happy with shooting them they go in a trade..........you sound like me..Wish I could spend sometime learning tricks on these revolvers from you although I am learning quite a lot from your videos. Amazing what you do with that wax. I think it looks fine............like the grips on the Stainless.
I agree with you: guns are for shooting, cars are for driving, women are for..., well you be the judge of that. A few cosmetic imperfections do not bother me at all. In each case you buy the package, not the part. I just bought a Bersa Thunder 9, an older one without any lock for $217.00. It looks fine, but not perfect. It feels great and I can barely wait to shoot it. Good luck with your new firearm; I hope you love it.
It's not a bad trade honestly. The 28 and the 19 are both excellent Revolvers. The 28 is a tank and can handle any factory 357. The 19 is a smaller Frame size and even though it has a longer Barrel then the 28, it's a smaller frame, so it may even feel lighter.
One thing you could do is replace the side plate.
Awesome. You have a nice collection. You need a model 13 now lol ! These revolvers are an expensive disease.
That's the problem I have in my S&w model 16-4, the old owner didn't take care very good of the gun and now I have some little pics of rust!!!! And because is a rare S&W and very expensive I really like to put my gun like new. Any ideas? The problem was the storage of the gun because this gun didn't shoot 10 bullets in the hands of the old owner! To me is one of the most beautiful S&W revolvers that exist, I love my gun " and the other guns I have to" .👍
Thank you great information and I am a subscriber !!!
I rarely rarely buy mint condition guns. I shoot and carry all my guns so vintage guns that are 99% usually don’t make their way into my safe.
I haven't been able to find Renaissance wax anywhere
I recently bought a s&w model 19-2. It has vintage n frame grips on it and I am looking for vintage k frame grips for it. Do you know where I can find any?
Wer can I find something that tells me when a Smith and Wesson revolver was made
I know this was last year David but what matters is that you're happy with the model 19 with a much better action over your old model 28. Plus the model 19 is lighter and not bulky so its more convenient to carry than the model 28. Therefore; you made a great trade. I may not have either guns but would love to them especially the model 28 in a 6" barrel.
Dewell Javier Well the telltale sign is I still have the 19.
@@drdrake63 yes I am aware of that. Can I have your model 19 and model 66? Lol jk they are both on my bucket list.
Should not be too hard to find nice examples of either
Love my 19's!! Great video!
Glock 19
@ 3:46.....how is that possible? Can someone please explain? Otherwise, another interesting video...as always! Thanks!
Works of art.
The 28 2 has one of the best triggers ever on any revolver and is a far superior gun to those others, in my experience, never heard anyone say bad about a 28 trigger.
I agree. Also that 28 will outlast that 19 in the number of . 357 rounds it can handle in its lifetime. K frames are a bit slim that way ( forcing cone issues too ) N frame 28 is overbuilt for the . 357 but will last forever. I think the L frame is the sweet spot. I have a 586-3 and a 686-3 that I enjoy shooting . 357 in. I save the .38 special for my 14-4. K frame is just right for . 38 special and .22 LR . Just my opinion.
@@Mike-up6go i have a k22 and have done videos of it,it still surprises me and I may never know its full potential or the best round for it,I have a 28 too and just adore it,lots of full house loads and no forcing cone issues or flame cutting.......
The older smiths had a different trigger set up, and they are really nice.
I have a 70s model 28 2 pinned barrel,recessed chambers and handles hot loads with easy recoil .
The holster wear and the scratches on the side plate tells me that this gun was worn in the woods hunting and tracking. While collectors might place a higher value on it if it spent it's whole life in a box, this honest wear doesn't detract from it's aesthetic value one bit in my opinion. Good job removing the rust while preserving it's history.
How do you polish the stainless steel
Great advice coming from you... I agree that the smith 27 and 28 being on an N frame is too big / heavy / bulky for the 357 Mag... a mismatch
Hardly weights more than those weak frame guns and is superior in all aspects.
That's what I'm talking about! I like to get old Smith's with some character, do a little gunsmithing on them, and cleaning them up just to carry and shoot the hell out of! That's the fun of owning a gun!
357 revolvers are my favorite especially old S&W revolvers.
I have a love for S&W revolvers. I don’t think you need a long barrel to find accuracy. I have a 3” barreled 686 that I’ve put somewhere around 2,000- 2,500 rounds through. It has seemed to lighten the trigger after those rounds.
I have a new 4” 686 that’s had about 300 rounds put through it and it’s a bit stiff still. The lock bothered me for a bit but I’ve gotten past it. MIM parts are not an issue for me, never had one fail.
It would be nice to have a recessed cylinder and serrations on the trigger, I’ll survive without it. I have a 66-2 made in 1983 that’s never been fired. I have a 66-6. I have a 66-8 with a two piece barrel, MIM hammer and trigger and a key lock. It also has a thicker completely round forcing cone and a cylinder that locks up very tight. My opinion a S&W revolver is superior to a Ruger and a Colt. Even with a key lock and MIM parts.
I enjoy your revolver videos. The 19 is cool but I would have liked to have that 28.
OR....you could return it to S&W for a FACTORY refinish.
They might even be able to provide a M19 front sight.
Great video. Thanks
Does anyone know how to tighten up the hammer mounted firing pin?
Mine wiggles back and forth on the pin..?.any info is super appreciated
Pretty sure it's supposed to move
Blue wonder with 0000 steel wool is way better to remove rust than anything I have ever used before!
You can try to keep the guns from being scratched further by putting them on some thing other than wood .
Ahhh for the love of a 5 inch 27-2..nice vid
Mine is quite a bit older but is identical other than mine has what looks like a trigger stop. I honestly did not know they even made a 'target' 19. Mine is identical to a K38 masterpiece except in .357. Mine was in much worse external shape than yours but I just got rid of the worst of the rust and gave it a couple of coats of cold blue.. What could it hurt? I did put a set of real pearl grips on it with a Tyler T grip. I load cast and coated 158 grain bullets at a 'mid range' loading of around 1250 fps. Extremely accurate... actually a good match for my 1969 minty Python. The action on mine had very little wear but was really gunked up with dried out oil and grease. Once cleaned and lightly lubed again it has a 2.5 single action I have a Trooper also but it is not near as smooth.. The Python? LOL... I won't even say because it would sound like exaggeration. My 1917 model made in 1918 does not have near the great action of the newer smiths.... I was really shocked tho that my Smith 629 has a fantastic trigger and great accuracy. I always have a pocket flashlight on me.. they are really powerful these days. The way I check the bore is put my thumbnail (or a business card) behind the forcing cone and shine the light on that. Back in the day we used to dry fire our revolvers endlessly while watching TV.... no idea how many pesky TV's were actually killed Elvis style. I will admit to one. Dry firing gave you a budget (free) trigger job. Wear in everything. If nothing else you can see the wear patterns.... And yeah... I am a shooter more than a collector. An 'unfired' gun has simply not met me yet.
It’s all relative to the owner man. If you’re happy then it was a good trade! Love watching your revolver videos!
thanks from CT. bro !
You could try a little cold blue on the bad spots
Don’t be afraid to take the side plate off get yourself a little bucket put the screws in and take pictures of what’s inside don’t be afraid
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I feel like you could have gotten a better condition 19 for that 28
Zaku2077 maybe. But I didn’t get the 19 to look at I got it for the trigger and the action, which are superb. Can’t say the same about that particular 28
Have 19 ~ 3 with 4 in bbl...
NO!
David,your taste is implacable!Du feingeist!
A model 28 for a model 19? Yeah, it's a trade you shouldn't have made. If you wanted a shooter, the 28 was your gun.
Craig Benz Opinions vary. Thank you for watching
@@drdrake63 : My main point is that the 28 would hold up much better to full power 357 loads.
That 28 was sweet.. what $$ value did you have on the 28?
Craig Benz I have NO interest in shooting full house 357 out of a 4 inch barrel tho Craig. So your reason for me wanting to keep it is.....well, your reason lol.
Brian Lence I did not have a lot into it to be honest. The fact is the trigger with stiff and I didn’t care for the way it shot. This 19 has a far superior trigger and action, so that’s why I made the trade
Learn to pull that side plate off and disassemble and clean. The colt, not recommended to do that.
Zzzzzzz
To much with metaphors and to much talk. Just get right to it with the demonstration.
Didn't even take the side plate for inspection ?