I believe this is one of the best, if not the best tutorial on ILS and Tacan for BMS. In fact the concept is so clearly demonstrated that this will very useful for someone to learn about Tacan navigation in general. Thank you so very much. Excellent work.
4:35 that aha! moment when it all makes sense and i finally realize what the heading bug can be used for. also the differences between the station bearing pointer and the course arrows which i used to get mixed up all the time. thanks so much, so glad i found this...
I'm sure newer BMS players like myself will always find this information useful. I have DCS and that is amazing but they are different types of games so I love both. Again ty buddy. Good work my friend. Stay blessed.
Excellent tutorial. I need to watch it ,like, about a thousand times before I will be able to implement any of it, but really enjoyed it, thanks for taking the time to make it.
Cool & very well done video. Just a few quick notes... For those not-so-saavy with turning in well on the localizer, ideally you'll want a 20-30 degree offset (slightly early turn-in) instead of the 90 degree turn shown at 12:25. It helps to avoid overshots. Second, it's good to know/anticipate when you'll intercept the glide slope. A little math... (miles) x 300 = intercept altitude Basically, 1 mile = 300 ft. So with an approach at 3000 ft, the intercept will be expected 10 miles out.
I've read those navigation tutorials in the bms docs folder and never gotten it but at least I've half gotten it with this video. Still very hard to learn the hsi. So many different pointers and things going on. A sadist designed that dial.
Absolutely incredible tutorial. Why is it that it seems like having the knob on NAV works much better. I get it working even out to 70 miles ?. I did type the RNWY LNG/LAT into the DED as a steer point maybe thats why it can steer me on course out as far as I want ??.
ho-ly f..k. Wat een fantastische kwaliteit. Werkelijk schitterend gemaakt en uitgevoerd. Superduidelijk. Ik denk dat we voortaan geen ils lessen meer hoeven geven. Dit filmpje is wat mij betreft toch wel definitief. Met after effects bezig geweest?
what an awesome video, thank you so much for that. am i right in thinking TACAN is for longer range, getting you close to the airport and situational awareness of where the runway is and ILS is for close in (less than 18miles) for getting you on the ground?
You're almost right. You have to know where the TACAN-beacon is compared to the airbase/runway. In Falcon the beacon is always next to the runway. In RL you'd make use of approach charts. These chart will tell you how to get to a runway With the help of TACAN.
Nice video.....however....in BMS when U get in 30 mile radius call ATC and U should obey their instructions. U're probabily not only one around and wanna avoid mid air collision. In RL it's not so simple and mostly U have to draw "card" (in U're mind) based on data ATC gives U on aproach.
Gregor Škof Yeah well, like a wrote here, are just the basics explained. Of course in Falcon you follow the ATC. But what if your radio is down? You can't hear the ATC. Following ATC is probably sufficient to find the runway, but if the visibility is that low you might want to switch to ILS. In RL it is certainly not that simple. But flying a RL F16 is not as simple as flying one in BMS as well. In RL you would would have approach charts, ILS charts and so on. In RL you'd also follow departure procedures. In BMS you just recieve a vector and that's it. So although your comment has a point the comparisement with RL is way off.
Cuttertje250 Like i said...nice video. U're right...for radio....especialy if U're radio is down don't make aproach like this, cause U're so caled arc aproach may result colision with someone just taking off that same runway U're trying to land on. No wonder so many plane accident's in RL this day's. :/ That's in first place only reason why i posted my however after I praised your video. Again however.....ILS and TCN are not used only in BMS or RL F-16 and maybe somebodey who is not plaing BMS accidentaly saw this video.Like U said TACAN(VOR) & ILS........it's basic air navigation....same as Fix, Holding pattern, how to enter it, speed etc :)
Nice video and a lot of work you did put in there. I like to point out some issues you could have done better: First, you should never use more then 30° of bank while flying IFR and using the basic-T and the ILS instruments (because of no visual clues and the danger of spatial disorientation). On approach and landing you should fly an AOA of 11-13 Then, on landing in such bad weather, make your transition to visual cues only very late and aim to touchdown in the touchdown zone (like on your second approach - you said it wasn't nice - who cares - but it was the safer of the two landings). With the F16 hold 13 AOA also after touchdown until approx. 90 kts then ease the nose down. Nevertheless: almost perfect and a very (!!) good guide for instrument flying and usage of the ILS in BMS. Congratulations! - pete
Only thing i just noticed is that the way you approached the runway is different, quite a lot different to the actual approach chart for Seoul RWY 19 in the docs, but still worked just as well.
How do you open your ACMI view? Looks like it's through your game files somewhere, but if that's like an Image, how do you know your position through ACMI, and Airbase position?
I agree it's a nice video, but, assuming the feathered portion of the runway at ~6:00 is the beginning of the glidescope, shouldn't the runway be depicted in the opposite direction?
Cuttertje250 I thought the feathered portion was a depiction of a glidescope for runway 19, but I now realize it's not a glidescope but a depiction of runways 01 and 36 at Seoul. Your map indicator in the upper left should also have clued me in. Thanks again. It's not just a nice video, but a great learning video.
CornerrecordZ CornerrecordZ Nope that's the ILS frequentie. Look at 1.14 and 1.17. In the chart under runway you'll see 19. That stands for runway 190. 01 is runway heading 010.
Would love you to train me on this as the HSI dial in Falcon has bugged me for ten years. Even watching this,my brain finds it hard to sink in. Like I said a bloody sadist invented the HSI gauge.How pilots can read all the info from that tiny dial without getting a migraine or sore eyes,is beyond me. Such a prehistoric dial.
Jellybeantiger It's not complicated once you grasp what everything is telling you. And it's extremely straight forward. BMS doesn't have a lot of in game tutorials/lessons. I suggest at least playing DCS for its training missions if your new to combat flight sims. Especially for the HSI and basic navigation system....not to mention in the DCS F-15 you can't cheat using the HSD on your Multifunction display to stay on the flight plan. (or . (By no means am I saying the Flaming Cliffs F-15 is more realistic. It's not a fully clickable cockpit like the A-10c or the BMS F-16....but the HSI is exactly the same regardless)
+BADKALOS Well, even an F-16 with a HUD wouldn't qualify in the US for CAT III manual approaches. The ILS signals are more-or-less good to a CAT I decision altitude, but without multi-channel autoland or flare/rollout cues on the HUD, CAT II or greater is not authorized. It was kinda hard to tell based on the zoomed-in cockpit if the required visibility was there (approx. 1/2 mile in the air or about 3000 Runway Visual Range) or not.
I need to kon how to do this 100% analog, I got hit by something, I could still fly, barely. But I was unable to use any electronics, I managed to find a random air base trying to find home base.
You can't open the acmi-view in BMS. I've used it in the tutorial for explaining purposes, it is edited in.. So there is no way you can use it for any navigation.
I believe this is one of the best, if not the best tutorial on ILS and Tacan for BMS. In fact the concept is so clearly demonstrated that this will very useful for someone to learn about Tacan navigation in general. Thank you so very much. Excellent work.
Still the best guide on this after all these years!
This is the best ILS training video that I have ever seen.
4:35 that aha! moment when it all makes sense and i finally realize what the heading bug can be used for. also the differences between the station bearing pointer and the course arrows which i used to get mixed up all the time. thanks so much, so glad i found this...
Brilliant tutorial. I was confused like hell reading the nav charts tutorial in my docs but watching this made it easy to understand.
Also, thanks for not using some head smashing noise as a soundtrack, like so many idiots do. Whatever you used was just right.
The best training video about Tacan and ILS, great work, thank you man. Appreciated.
Fantastic video buddy. Just to echo what the other watchers have commented - it does explain more clearly what the docs fail to explain. Nice one.
Nice to know that it's still being used.
I'm sure newer BMS players like myself will always find this information useful. I have DCS and that is amazing but they are different types of games so I love both. Again ty buddy. Good work my friend. Stay blessed.
Thank you! The best Falcon BMS Tacan/ILS tutorial I have ever seen.
Very nice presentation and very clear and easy to understand. Thank you for this amazing video and great work!
Nice video! I love the way you presented the overhead view at ~6:00. Respect from a CFI.
Absolutely great video! This is the first time I understood this. Thank you very much!
Excellent tutorial. I need to watch it ,like, about a thousand times before I will be able to implement any of it, but really enjoyed it, thanks for taking the time to make it.
Cool & very well done video. Just a few quick notes...
For those not-so-saavy with turning in well on the localizer, ideally you'll want a 20-30 degree offset (slightly early turn-in) instead of the 90 degree turn shown at 12:25. It helps to avoid overshots.
Second, it's good to know/anticipate when you'll intercept the glide slope. A little math...
(miles) x 300 = intercept altitude
Basically, 1 mile = 300 ft. So with an approach at 3000 ft, the intercept will be expected 10 miles out.
Thanks for the demo at 5:50 onward!
Much better than even my VFR landings. Very impressive video!
Superb video. Many thanks.
Thanks for posting, I'm starting to realise the power of the HSI
That was the best explanation of TACAN/ILS I've seen. Well done!
't kon minder ;)
Zonder gekheid: een eersteklas tutorial. Super!
Maestro Cuttertje250
This self is a World Championship, especially when it is sluggish in English language..., great, powerful thanks.
wow, thats a very descriptive and informative video, thanks for creating it.
really helps understanding this topic.
cheers for the tutorial, helped me to bring my damaged f16 safely home from north-korea ^^
You made everything so easy for me! Thank you so much for this amazing tutorial! Great, Great work!
A perfect tutorial video. Thanks much.
Great Video Guide, too educational, Thks a lot!
Perfect Video. Many thanks
Great video. I can't wait to try out the BMS version I have it just no flight stick right now. :)
I've read those navigation tutorials in the bms docs folder and never gotten it but at least I've half gotten it with this video.
Still very hard to learn the hsi.
So many different pointers and things going on.
A sadist designed that dial.
Fantastic video! Thank you very much :)
Absolutely incredible tutorial. Why is it that it seems like having the knob on NAV works much better. I get it working even out to 70 miles ?. I did type the RNWY LNG/LAT into the DED as a steer point maybe thats why it can steer me on course out as far as I want ??.
Awesome Tutorial! All four thumbs up (hands and feets ;D) !
Very nice, Thanks a lot for this great video
Wow, that was an amazing tutorial!
Great tutorial. Well done!
thanks you so much Cuttertje250, a really great job.
ho-ly f..k. Wat een fantastische kwaliteit. Werkelijk schitterend gemaakt en uitgevoerd. Superduidelijk. Ik denk dat we voortaan geen ils lessen meer hoeven geven. Dit filmpje is wat mij betreft toch wel definitief. Met after effects bezig geweest?
great video!
cheers!
and good wind!
Outstanding video! Very helpful and much appreciated!
Sincerely,
Eight Years In The Future
Also: don't come to 2020, it sucks...
How long did it take to perfect the landing? That was well put together.
what an awesome video, thank you so much for that. am i right in thinking TACAN is for longer range, getting you close to the airport and situational awareness of where the runway is and ILS is for close in (less than 18miles) for getting you on the ground?
You're almost right. You have to know where the TACAN-beacon is compared to the airbase/runway. In Falcon the beacon is always next to the runway. In RL you'd make use of approach charts. These chart will tell you how to get to a runway With the help of TACAN.
Nice video.....however....in BMS when U get in 30 mile radius call ATC and U should obey their instructions. U're probabily not only one around and wanna avoid mid air collision. In RL it's not so simple and mostly U have to draw "card" (in U're mind) based on data ATC gives U on aproach.
Gregor Škof
Yeah well, like a wrote here, are just the basics explained. Of course in Falcon you follow the ATC. But what if your radio is down? You can't hear the ATC. Following ATC is probably sufficient to find the runway, but if the visibility is that low you might want to switch to ILS.
In RL it is certainly not that simple. But flying a RL F16 is not as simple as flying one in BMS as well.
In RL you would would have approach charts, ILS charts and so on. In RL you'd also follow departure procedures. In BMS you just recieve a vector and that's it.
So although your comment has a point the comparisement with RL is way off.
Cuttertje250
Like i said...nice video. U're right...for radio....especialy if U're radio is down don't make aproach like this, cause U're so caled arc aproach may result colision with someone just taking off that same runway U're trying to land on. No wonder so many plane accident's in RL this day's. :/ That's in first place only reason why i posted my however after I praised your video. Again however.....ILS and TCN are not used only in BMS or RL F-16 and maybe somebodey who is not plaing BMS accidentaly saw this video.Like U said TACAN(VOR) & ILS........it's basic air navigation....same as Fix, Holding pattern, how to enter it, speed etc :)
Brilliant. Can you tell me what the music is?
Nice video and a lot of work you did put in there. I like to point out some issues you could have done better: First, you should never use more then 30° of bank while flying IFR and using the basic-T and the ILS instruments (because of no visual clues and the danger of spatial disorientation). On approach and landing you should fly an AOA of 11-13 Then, on landing in such bad weather, make your transition to visual cues only very late and aim to touchdown in the touchdown zone (like on your second approach - you said it wasn't nice - who cares - but it was the safer of the two landings). With the F16 hold 13 AOA also after touchdown until approx. 90 kts then ease the nose down. Nevertheless: almost perfect and a very (!!) good guide for instrument flying and usage of the ILS in BMS. Congratulations! - pete
good tutorial, good music, if not a little to power full thanks
good work Cuttertje, cheers!
hey cutter mooi gedaan man....
gr.speedy/jaco
That's great advice and simple math too thanks :)
Only thing i just noticed is that the way you approached the runway is different, quite a lot different to the actual approach chart for Seoul RWY 19 in the docs, but still worked just as well.
You are right. I didn't follow the chart at all. The whole ideaal was just to make an introduction to the ILS and TACAN. 😉
+Cuttertje250 To not follow the chart makes it even better really.
Very Nice friend
The best ever...
How do you open your ACMI view? Looks like it's through your game files somewhere, but if that's like an Image, how do you know your position through ACMI, and Airbase position?
thanks for video :)
Hey, I'm just a begginer here, ah, could you explain me how do you open the map or use the AWACS? And what is the "Vector"?
really nice
I agree it's a nice video, but, assuming the feathered portion of the runway at ~6:00 is the beginning of the glidescope, shouldn't the runway be depicted in the opposite direction?
Simple : no. It is depicted just right.
Cuttertje250 I thought the feathered portion was a depiction of a glidescope for runway 19, but I now realize it's not a glidescope but a depiction of runways 01 and 36 at Seoul. Your map indicator in the upper left should also have clued me in. Thanks again. It's not just a nice video, but a great learning video.
Why do you input the runway heading: 190 ?! I dont understand, where did you get that from? Does 110.9 (19) mean 110.9 (190 Heading)?
CornerrecordZ
CornerrecordZ
Nope that's the ILS frequentie. Look at 1.14 and 1.17.
In the chart under runway you'll see 19. That stands for runway 190. 01 is runway heading 010.
CHEERS !!!! good job
My friend, As it is called the soundtrack occupied in this video ?
Would love you to train me on this as the HSI dial in Falcon has bugged me for ten years.
Even watching this,my brain finds it hard to sink in.
Like I said a bloody sadist invented the HSI gauge.How pilots can read all the info from that tiny dial without getting a migraine or sore eyes,is beyond me.
Such a prehistoric dial.
Practice! Once you fully understand the instrument AND the signal it's reading, you'll start picking it up. Look for a simple explanation of a VOR.
Jellybeantiger
It's not complicated once you grasp what everything is telling you. And it's extremely straight forward.
BMS doesn't have a lot of in game tutorials/lessons. I suggest at least playing DCS for its training missions if your new to combat flight sims. Especially for the HSI and basic navigation system....not to mention in the DCS F-15 you can't cheat using the HSD on your Multifunction display to stay on the flight plan. (or . (By no means am I saying the Flaming Cliffs F-15 is more realistic. It's not a fully clickable cockpit like the A-10c or the BMS F-16....but the HSI is exactly the same regardless)
helemaal met je eens .
cool music
How do you realize where the runway is if the TACAN station is a bit far away from him
You have to look on an appelscha chart to know where the TACAN is in relation to the runway.
Cuttertje250 appelscha = approach chart.
Cuttertje250 Thanks for the replay.It would be dificult then to land on a cat iii b aproach without ILS.
+BADKALOS Well, even an F-16 with a HUD wouldn't qualify in the US for CAT III manual approaches. The ILS signals are more-or-less good to a CAT I decision altitude, but without multi-channel autoland or flare/rollout cues on the HUD, CAT II or greater is not authorized. It was kinda hard to tell based on the zoomed-in cockpit if the required visibility was there (approx. 1/2 mile in the air or about 3000 Runway Visual Range) or not.
I need to kon how to do this 100% analog, I got hit by something, I could still fly, barely. But I was unable to use any electronics, I managed to find a random air base trying to find home base.
Oh, thanks
good joob
NICEEEE!!!
You can't open the acmi-view in BMS. I've used it in the tutorial for explaining purposes, it is edited in.. So there is no way you can use it for any navigation.
why do you select "190"
Where do you mean?
+Cuttertje250 i mean the degree
+amer odeh that was clear. 😊
At what point of time?
+Cuttertje250 exactly at 2:55
+amer odeh that's the runway heading
"Am I able to bring up that ACMI map while flying?"
That would be nice, but it is not possible.
I will just use the steerpoints and turn off the bloody bullseye.I want to enjoy myself not tear my hair out.
Sorry, when the music started this noob had to turn to another channel.
Than I suggest you get yourself a stick asap
The music was unnecessary. SERIOUSLY unnecessary. Care to repost this video without it? Please?
After 28k views you're the first to complain about the music.
Just turn the sound Off, same result.
Great tutorial. Well done!