This baby is amazing!!! I have just finished my first roast and I am so impressed! I also have Ikawa Home roaster and I can say that Kaffelogic has many more options than Ikawa and roast is just beyond fantastic! Cheers! Edit: I forgot to mention...Software from Ikawa Home compared to one from Kaffelogic looks like a child's toy, Kaffelogic has amazingly good and wide professional software! And no one is paying me for this...I am just so excited how good the roaster is!
Hi Lilly, i'm in that crossroad of which to buy, the Kaffelogic Nano 7e or the Ikawa home roaster, since you own them both you can be a great reference for me, which do you like the most? any pros/cons between the 2 can be very helpful for me, thanks in advanced!
@@guyshimon7363Definitely, my favourite is Kaffelogic Nano 7e. Build quality might be on Ikawa's side. That doesn't mean that Kaffelogic is not well/great built; Ikawa is perhaps fancier with materials. Everything else is on Kaffelogic's side. You can see by watching Ingo's tutorial how advanced Kaffelogic software is (it's really pro, more similar probably to Ikawa Pro version, which is a lot more expensive). Roast is impressive; I don't know if you can say that the one roasts better than the other, but Kaffelogic has a lot of pre-arranged roast profiles for many different beans, while Ikawa has only two per origin, and that's for those they sell. Spare me writing a lot, lol... Ingo explained everything very nicely... I am grateful for that because it made it much easier to start roasting... which is very simple and intuitive. I also like that Kaffelogic has a way better cooling down process. When it's done, beans are at room temperature, the roaster is completely lukewarm, and Ikawa is not. I have to cool beans for the next minute by stirring the beans in a sifter, and the roaster can barely handle another roast because it gets hot; not that you can't handle it, but I had situations where it wouldn't start roasting after two roasts before it cools down. And another thing is, I don't know why, but I was afraid of entering 2C because I did that a few times with Ikawa, and the chamber's bottom went pretty black. And that happened after only a couple of times. But with Kaffelogic, I already roasted several times into 2C, and the chamber is immaculate. And the third thing that I was worried about was smoke. Ikawa is good at that segment; you could almost say it's smokeless (which is not actually), and that was the main reason I bought it because I roast in my apartment. But I am surprised that Kaffelogic produces a minimal amount of smoke after one roast; after two, there is a bit more, but it's nothing that you can't handle with an open window (that's what I do) or under the hood. Uf... do I like it... hm I think I wouldn't waste my time writing so much if I didn't :) I hope this helped... Cheers!
@@LillyAugustathanks for that. Same boat deciding between the two. I think the Kaffelogic could improve its interface substantially by adding Bluetooth to upload roast profiles or USB C connection to a laptop, the USB stick is so antiquated.
Thanks for all your videos! These videos were a major reason for me choosing the Kaffelogic. Received my roaster a few days ago… not quite ready to hook it up and try Studio yet but will be soon and looking forward to learning everything. First I’ll use the profiles already loaded (the newer ones don’t need a USB stick, they’re already loaded) and play with different roast levels. Thanks again!!
Yes, that's a good place to start. I also put some more info on our website on how to use the factory profiles as well as a collection of community profiles: roastrebels.com/en/roasting-knowledge/coffee-roasting/kaffelogic-nano-roast-profiles
Great one Ingo! Are you thinking of pairing the green beans you offer on Roast Rebels with a KL profile recommended / designed by yourself ? Would be great !
Great video! I have been researching between KL 7e and the Ikawa home roaster, and I'm struggling to make a decision. Ikawa is by far more elegant and the workflow is notches above. That said, I love the software and DIY options this gives you. How does this machine hold up? I've heard issues with the caft causing fire and parts breaking. Have you come across this? Curious what your thoughts are on the Ikawa.
Thanks a lot for your message. You might have realized, that we've decided to take the Kaffelogic into our assortment, but we don't sell the Ikawa and this is for a reason. With the Ikawas I was always missing a level of consistency and accuracy. The repeatability, consistency and accuracy of the Kaffelogic Nano really excited me from the beginning. A major reason for that is the simple and compact design, you have got the fan, heating element and the chamber with the bean probe directly on top of each other. And there is hardly any mass that intervenes with the thermodynamics. Therefore the heating element can adjust very granularly based on the information from the profile and the bean probe. Having a probe close to the good that is being roasted like the BT probe in the Kaffelogic is essential in my opinion. The fact that the Ikawa is only measuring the inlet temperature could never really convince me. You also might have realized, that if you want to have more possiblilites for adapting roasting profiles with the Ikawa Home, you need a subscription that costs around 360€ a year (correct me if they have changed it in the meantime). Also although an App might seem appealing to many people, it is really limiting to work granularly on roasting profiles if you want to individualize them. Kaffelogic provides a free software with which you can change any factor on the machine (it has 4 modes from a simple and user friendly mode to the engineer mode for nerds that want to change anyting). You can very granularly work on the temperature and fan curve with your mouse, keyboard buttons,... With the BOOST kit, you can use the machine with any load size between 50g and up to 200g and are not limited to one batch size. The Kaffelogic community is quite large and active and includes world champions that are sharing roasting profiles and tipps, which is really helpful to get to a great level of roasting. A week spot of the Kaffelogic has been the heating element (of course all issues were covered by warranty). Meanwhile, they have redesigned it and the heating element haven't caused any issues anymore since then. I hope, this helps.
Are you planning a ‘teardown’ video where you disassemble the roaster and examine the parts and design? It’s marketed as a product that is user-serviceable so just how true that is would make for a good video.
Hi Rob. I wasn't planning on doing this kind of video. I don't work on it when it comes to repairs, preferring to hand it over to my technicians. It's easy to open and not really complex. But you need to be confident with electronics and repairs.
No, that doesn't change anything in the roast. It just sends a signal and will be recorded in the logs. It will give you more information when your are evaluating your roasts and working on the profiles.
This depends, where you are coming from. Coffee Roasting always produces smoke, but the amount of smoke is relative to the amount of beans. Therefore in comparison to most other rosters, the level of smoke is very low. It can be easily be captured with a conventional kitchen vent.
I disagree with the roast levels I found 2.2 to be too dark. I don't go over 1.5 for anything. Even my wife who usually prefers darker roasts with more cocco tastes prefered her new favourite Costa Rica beans at 1.5 instead of in the 2 range. For me my filter roasts are anywhere between 0.7 and 1.0 and my espresso at 1.2.
That sounds very unusual. Can you try the K-Logic Classic profile and figure out, what roast levels you will match your taste buds there? If you still are around 1.5 for darker "cocoa" roasts, then you should get back to the seller of your machine with pictures of your roasted beans and some logs. But I assume, that has to do with the profile you are working with.
This baby is amazing!!! I have just finished my first roast and I am so impressed! I also have Ikawa Home roaster and I can say that Kaffelogic has many more options than Ikawa and roast is just beyond fantastic! Cheers!
Edit:
I forgot to mention...Software from Ikawa Home compared to one from Kaffelogic looks like a child's toy, Kaffelogic has amazingly good and wide professional software! And no one is paying me for this...I am just so excited how good the roaster is!
Hi Lilly, i'm in that crossroad of which to buy, the Kaffelogic Nano 7e or the Ikawa home roaster, since you own them both you can be a great reference for me, which do you like the most? any pros/cons between the 2 can be very helpful for me, thanks in advanced!
@@guyshimon7363Definitely, my favourite is Kaffelogic Nano 7e. Build quality might be on Ikawa's side. That doesn't mean that Kaffelogic is not well/great built; Ikawa is perhaps fancier with materials. Everything else is on Kaffelogic's side. You can see by watching Ingo's tutorial how advanced Kaffelogic software is (it's really pro, more similar probably to Ikawa Pro version, which is a lot more expensive). Roast is impressive; I don't know if you can say that the one roasts better than the other, but Kaffelogic has a lot of pre-arranged roast profiles for many different beans, while Ikawa has only two per origin, and that's for those they sell. Spare me writing a lot, lol...
Ingo explained everything very nicely... I am grateful for that because it made it much easier to start roasting... which is very simple and intuitive. I also like that Kaffelogic has a way better cooling down process. When it's done, beans are at room temperature, the roaster is completely lukewarm, and Ikawa is not. I have to cool beans for the next minute by stirring the beans in a sifter, and the roaster can barely handle another roast because it gets hot; not that you can't handle it, but I had situations where it wouldn't start roasting after two roasts before it cools down.
And another thing is, I don't know why, but I was afraid of entering 2C because I did that a few times with Ikawa, and the chamber's bottom went pretty black. And that happened after only a couple of times. But with Kaffelogic, I already roasted several times into 2C, and the chamber is immaculate. And the third thing that I was worried about was smoke. Ikawa is good at that segment; you could almost say it's smokeless (which is not actually), and that was the main reason I bought it because I roast in my apartment. But I am surprised that Kaffelogic produces a minimal amount of smoke after one roast; after two, there is a bit more, but it's nothing that you can't handle with an open window (that's what I do) or under the hood.
Uf... do I like it... hm I think I wouldn't waste my time writing so much if I didn't :)
I hope this helped... Cheers!
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@@LillyAugustathanks for that. Same boat deciding between the two. I think the Kaffelogic could improve its interface substantially by adding Bluetooth to upload roast profiles or USB C connection to a laptop, the USB stick is so antiquated.
Thanks for all your videos! These videos were a major reason for me choosing the Kaffelogic.
Received my roaster a few days ago… not quite ready to hook it up and try Studio yet but will be soon and looking forward to learning everything. First I’ll use the profiles already loaded (the newer ones don’t need a USB stick, they’re already loaded) and play with different roast levels.
Thanks again!!
Yes, that's a good place to start. I also put some more info on our website on how to use the factory profiles as well as a collection of community profiles: roastrebels.com/en/roasting-knowledge/coffee-roasting/kaffelogic-nano-roast-profiles
Really nice video showing how it works!
Thank you, Nevin. I'm happy if it helps 🙏
Great one Ingo! Are you thinking of pairing the green beans you offer on Roast Rebels with a KL profile recommended / designed by yourself ? Would be great !
I will do that if it helps. I thought it might be intuitive but have heard this request more than once.
Great video! I have been researching between KL 7e and the Ikawa home roaster, and I'm struggling to make a decision. Ikawa is by far more elegant and the workflow is notches above. That said, I love the software and DIY options this gives you. How does this machine hold up? I've heard issues with the caft causing fire and parts breaking. Have you come across this? Curious what your thoughts are on the Ikawa.
Thanks a lot for your message. You might have realized, that we've decided to take the Kaffelogic into our assortment, but we don't sell the Ikawa and this is for a reason.
With the Ikawas I was always missing a level of consistency and accuracy. The repeatability, consistency and accuracy of the Kaffelogic Nano really excited me from the beginning. A major reason for that is the simple and compact design, you have got the fan, heating element and the chamber with the bean probe directly on top of each other. And there is hardly any mass that intervenes with the thermodynamics. Therefore the heating element can adjust very granularly based on the information from the profile and the bean probe.
Having a probe close to the good that is being roasted like the BT probe in the Kaffelogic is essential in my opinion. The fact that the Ikawa is only measuring the inlet temperature could never really convince me.
You also might have realized, that if you want to have more possiblilites for adapting roasting profiles with the Ikawa Home, you need a subscription that costs around 360€ a year (correct me if they have changed it in the meantime). Also although an App might seem appealing to many people, it is really limiting to work granularly on roasting profiles if you want to individualize them.
Kaffelogic provides a free software with which you can change any factor on the machine (it has 4 modes from a simple and user friendly mode to the engineer mode for nerds that want to change anyting). You can very granularly work on the temperature and fan curve with your mouse, keyboard buttons,...
With the BOOST kit, you can use the machine with any load size between 50g and up to 200g and are not limited to one batch size.
The Kaffelogic community is quite large and active and includes world champions that are sharing roasting profiles and tipps, which is really helpful to get to a great level of roasting.
A week spot of the Kaffelogic has been the heating element (of course all issues were covered by warranty). Meanwhile, they have redesigned it and the heating element haven't caused any issues anymore since then.
I hope, this helps.
Are you planning a ‘teardown’ video where you disassemble the roaster and examine the parts and design? It’s marketed as a product that is user-serviceable so just how true that is would make for a good video.
Hi Rob. I wasn't planning on doing this kind of video. I don't work on it when it comes to repairs, preferring to hand it over to my technicians. It's easy to open and not really complex. But you need to be confident with electronics and repairs.
Thank you!
Is it important to record first crack like you did in your video? Does that change what the built in profile is doing to the roast?
No, that doesn't change anything in the roast. It just sends a signal and will be recorded in the logs. It will give you more information when your are evaluating your roasts and working on the profiles.
How you know when you have to mark the first crack? Just from the sound when it starts popping? Btw great video , waiting more videos for kaffelogic!!
Yes. FC is always marked based on the sound. You mark it, when the pops get regularly.
@@CoffeeRoasting thank you Ingo !
How are the smoke levels in roast?
This depends, where you are coming from. Coffee Roasting always produces smoke, but the amount of smoke is relative to the amount of beans. Therefore in comparison to most other rosters, the level of smoke is very low. It can be easily be captured with a conventional kitchen vent.
@@CoffeeRoasting Understood, I'm currently roasting with a motorized whirly pop as a point of comparison. Thanks for the info!
I was really hopping to see the chaff before waisting it
Thanks for your comment. Unfortunately, I don't really understand it. May you specify, what exactly you would like to know?
I disagree with the roast levels I found 2.2 to be too dark. I don't go over 1.5 for anything. Even my wife who usually prefers darker roasts with more cocco tastes prefered her new favourite Costa Rica beans at 1.5 instead of in the 2 range.
For me my filter roasts are anywhere between 0.7 and 1.0 and my espresso at 1.2.
That sounds very unusual. Can you try the K-Logic Classic profile and figure out, what roast levels you will match your taste buds there? If you still are around 1.5 for darker "cocoa" roasts, then you should get back to the seller of your machine with pictures of your roasted beans and some logs. But I assume, that has to do with the profile you are working with.