It's just simply getting the CARS Tour and NACAR rule books to unify. We had unified rules in the northeast for a long time. You know what unified rules do? they increase car counts. And EVERY series should be unifying rules. If you run in a division with that name (in this case Late Model Stocks) then every sanction should be working TOGETHER to unify the rules. A rising tide raises ALL ships. Not enough people in racing understand that.
@@zacharyradford5552most of the tracks the CARs tour runs are NASCAR sanctioned tracks. So CARs tour should be the ones to change their rules as they are running at the NASCAR sanctioned tracks.
I think they talked about this on the DBC Podcost and I couldn't agree more. We have talked about coming to race down there from Canada and it is all confusing TBH
I would think that all cars competing in a Late Model division event would follow the established track rules for Late Model division. Sorry this happened, hopefully the team will be a little more aware of rule differences when planning/adjusting for each race..
So frustrating especially with all the work you've been putting in. Looking foward to a day with the same rules for both cars tour and NASCAR weekly. Keep on keeping on and we'll keep cheering for y'all!
I agree! All of you are driving the same exact car (Late Model Stocks) so in order to stay unified and consistent at all tracks, the CARS Tour and NASCAR rules should line up. Good racing on your part Mr. Huffman.
Wow! That reminds me of a quote, "The discipline of not making mistakes is what wins..." - Jackie Stewart, 1972 Apparently your competitors are watching closely. Chin up son, it's only a minor setback. cheers🇨🇦
Been there done that , just keep your thoughts positive and fix it. Theres nothing sweeter than coming back and winning after something like this . And that was a hell of a jood job driving my friend.
Good job and there are the same rules varations up here in the northeast which the sanctioning bodies say to to save the racers money but it is to tie them to certain tracks for their own profit. That is a nice looking car.
Bummer. Car looked good out there. Learning moments at least, and yall have the knowledge and belief that you can win. Love the production in this video as well. Keep at it !
Between late models and super lates, the tracks and series make it impossible to travel around without having 6 different cars. You almost have to make it your full-time job to read the damn rule books. We have been having tons of issues with this up in the Midwest.
hope they get the rulebooks similar soon so these cars tour teams can go run a weekly show every now and then without having to spend thousands to fit the rulebook or get booted
@@zacharyradford5552 You forgot SAFETY. Every Dirt Car must be comprised of at least 90 Percent Gasoline soaked Balsa Wood and/or Paper Mache. Also, a Midget, operating a Meth Lab, in the Trunk, next to the Styrofoam Fuel Container.
Appreciate the transparency. I would like to see you make a video or a short segment where you lay out a NASCAR vs CARS legal shock and show us the differences. Curious if this is a weird PN deal or if there is a real performance difference between the two.
Man. Super frustrating. BUT....the people in the know and the people who can help you to the next level can see through the BS and they see you running up front with the best late model drivers in the country. Keep digging. Less than 1k till 25k subscribers. You're killing the game man. 🤙🤙
Keep digging man. I feel the LMSC division will evolve into being just like the LMS/BGN deal in the mid 80's. If you want to run LMSC it will be in the Cars Tour and Division I stuff for the NASCAR Weekly guys will be some type of Limited Late Model rules package.
I was lucky enough to grow up not missing a race at Caraway when Bobby Labonte was LMSC champion and there were full fields at most tracks in Mid Atlantic/Southeast regions..I saw recently at Caraway the Lmsc field consisted of 7 cars with maybe 2 that were competitive...
I have two questions. What type of penalty did Annabeth get for monster trucking you? How much does a set of shocks cost? If not too expensive keep a set of both in the trailer properly labeled to switch out depending on what series you are running. Oh, one other question, are you going to run Martinsville this year? I have only missed a handful of those over the last 25 years. Sure hope you run it.
You did a great job! (and I'm old school) When you look hard enough, EVERY ONE is not within there rule book, no matter, a good tech guy will find something if protested! Just saying.. I enjoy your videos. Thanks
We have experienced this as well. I lost a championship because of one illegal shock. After that happened, We have been very aware of every rule that could get us a trip to Dairy Queen...lol DQ. Look towards the future.. Your doing great. Like the content.
Keep you head up. CARS and NASCAR need to unify rules with the cheapest options. That will result in higher car counts for both. FYI loved seeing the quick clip of the vintage mods. My great uncle built the red 53
Regardless of what happens don't not make a video man. It's all good, you can't help technicality faults. It is what it is. I do find it funny there's so many sore losers out in this world. Anyway great run man, keep it up. You're definitely on the right track (no pun intended). You have a large and growing group of fans behind you cheering you on.
You had some great battles and ended up finishing a great drive with a win but sometimes things don't pan out. This bad luck with rules will turn around and when it does you'll be in the victory lane a lot
Didnt think it was worth it? There are plenty of hard working people in those grandstands that would beg to differ. Maybe those same fans might question if its worth it to support a team like that.. Without the fans theres no sponsor interest,Teams like that hurt the sport. Thanks Huffman Racing for not letting those grandstand down...They deserved a good show.
@zacharyradford5552 putting racecars in the trailer and not racing because of low car count.The 88, He mentions in the beginning..Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture, but it doesn't help
Now I do not watch much asphalt racing outside of NASCAR Cup and Landon here, but here in the Midwest dirt world the touring series and the weekly series rules are the exact same rules when it comes to modifieds. I don't know why you would have two sets of rules for the same car that can be run in the weekly series and the touring series, even if its two different "sanctions."
not the shock differences that were considered in this lol. Maybe from a non adjustable, oil shock vs an adjustable gas pressured shock, but we are talking about a $100 difference and only performance difference is less gas pressure...
I'm not being negative to you are your team just saying your team just got Dq two weeks ago you know the target is still on your back and it makes it worse that your team runs car's tour and not Nascar on a regular basis agree 100 percent all rules need to be the same!
Landon why are car counts so bad rn? Long season and funds are low? PS you’re doing a great job of keeping the fenders and bars in good shape for these Nelson guys. I’m sure it makes improving the car a heck of a lot easier for the team when you aren’t replacing parts and pieces that often
It doesnt help when the teams who predominantly run the CARS Tour have to face different rule books and nuances from track to track. Money is also a factor, and so is the hot summer. You have to remember than 30 of the regions best late model teams run the tour full time
@@LandonHuffmanRacing word. Makes sense. Didn’t think about the track to track aspect of it. Hopefully it can get addressed soon especially now that Dale is getting involved and seeing how it can improve
I get the rules and why they were broken. But for us fellas (and ladies) that dont know the difference, what do the shocks do differently and how would that other team know you had one illegal one on the car?
It’s an educated guess… all these cars tour guys bring their expensive crap to the track, and the non cars guys want a fighting chance, so they gamble and challenge various parts that have the cars your rule discrepancy. Word probably got around that Landons team was working on shocks so they reviewed it. Cars tour guys just gotta stop having “oversights”
I’d say over 60% of nascar late models would fail one of these small knit picks in the tech now. These differences have been present for 5+ years and they have never been a topic of conversation until now. However yes it was still an oversight on our end and it shouldn’t have happened.
There’s so many rulebooks (per track) that are so different it’s flat out hard to keep up with all of them…. Just wish all the racetracks and sanctioning body’s (NASCAR, non NASCAR, and the Cars Tour) could agree on a majority of rules and go with that. I get maybe one or two things being different but in my opinion, it’s just way too broad at the moment. And that’s why car counts are low or decreasing almost everywhere you go you have to throw the kitchen sink at it to go 30 minutes down the road to a different racetrack than the one you typically run at, that’s not the way it should be….. that’s just my ✌🏼cents worth tho
Idiots do that crap out here on the west coast too. We have two tracks an hour apart and you can’t run at one track then the other cause the rules are so different. These fools running these tracks think it forces drivers to stay at their tract only. Nope. It pisses people off and they quit racing all together.
Is that the norm now? If you don't win, and finish 2nd or third you automatically protest and maybe you get lucky? I mean, why would they think your shocks are not legal? Because you out ran them? That is really unfortunate. Still, heck of a run.
they are not tours. One is a tour, and the other is a guideline rule book that only half the NASCAR tracks in our region abide by. There are to many variables and not enough cars.
It’s not your fault bud. The techs/mechanics need to pay a little more attention is all. Shit happens. Funny how the team picked the one part that the internals were illegal. 🤔
All the rules, evaluations, post inspection whining is tiring for a common fan like me. I wish there was a rule at the green flag that reads: "We have done our best to check, whine, enforce, complain and change. These cars are entered in the race, enjoy the show".
There are a certain amount of people playing games no matter where you go or what you're doing. Keep your eyes 👀 open for the little birdies. Teams trying to gain an advantage. Sorry for your heartbreaking DQ 😢
So, out of all of the things the 5 could have picked to protest and they decided ok the ONE thing that had ONE small interior piece wrong. How is it they new to protest left rear shock? Come on man, they knew somehow.
@@Darrin_ModelGeek that’s the main issue right now. The two rule books have small differences and only some nascar tracks enforce/abide by the nascar book, others allow the cars tour differences.
Late model races at South Boston have become more like a magic show, "see the winner, now you don't". Hopefully you'll pull of a win at Langley.
Elaborate? Haven’t been since that modified race Bobby Labonte ran last year
It's just simply getting the CARS Tour and NACAR rule books to unify. We had unified rules in the northeast for a long time. You know what unified rules do? they increase car counts. And EVERY series should be unifying rules. If you run in a division with that name (in this case Late Model Stocks) then every sanction should be working TOGETHER to unify the rules. A rising tide raises ALL ships. Not enough people in racing understand that.
NASCAR needs to follows CARS rules. NASCAR can fuck a series up like nobody’s business.
@@zacharyradford5552most of the tracks the CARs tour runs are NASCAR sanctioned tracks. So CARs tour should be the ones to change their rules as they are running at the NASCAR sanctioned tracks.
I think they talked about this on the DBC Podcost and I couldn't agree more. We have talked about coming to race down there from Canada and it is all confusing TBH
I would think that all cars competing in a Late Model division event would follow the established track rules for Late Model division. Sorry this happened, hopefully the team will be a little more aware of rule differences when planning/adjusting for each race..
It's working well in WI, and upper midwest. 👍
At least your a straight up guy who lays out what happened and why things might of got confused. Your a great part of the leadership in the team!
You are straight up Gullible.
Keep ya head up you got a great team behind you all the guys that help you! And your a very good driver . Love watching you race man!
So frustrating especially with all the work you've been putting in. Looking foward to a day with the same rules for both cars tour and NASCAR weekly. Keep on keeping on and we'll keep cheering for y'all!
I agree! All of you are driving the same exact car (Late Model Stocks) so in order to stay unified and consistent at all tracks, the CARS Tour and NASCAR rules should line up.
Good racing on your part Mr. Huffman.
Rule Book, we don't need no stink'n rule book! We make the rules up as we go, same as government!!😂
What country do you live in?...lmao
Wow! That reminds me of a quote,
"The discipline of not making mistakes is what wins..." - Jackie Stewart, 1972
Apparently your competitors are watching closely. Chin up son, it's only a minor setback. cheers🇨🇦
Harsh bud, a slight oversight.
Luv that you share both the ups and downs.
Keep diggin LH,
next 1s for realsy 💪
Been there done that , just keep your thoughts positive and fix it. Theres nothing sweeter than coming back and winning after something like this . And that was a hell of a jood job driving my friend.
Good job and there are the same rules varations up here in the northeast which the sanctioning bodies say to to save the racers money but it is to tie them to certain tracks for their own profit.
That is a nice looking car.
Bummer. Car looked good out there. Learning moments at least, and yall have the knowledge and belief that you can win. Love the production in this video as well. Keep at it !
Between late models and super lates, the tracks and series make it impossible to travel around without having 6 different cars. You almost have to make it your full-time job to read the damn rule books. We have been having tons of issues with this up in the Midwest.
Great video. Thanks for all of the effort you put into these. Sorry about the rulebook stuff!
Just keep your head up and keep pushing forward you have a grwat team and it looks like a great fan base as well good luck on the rest of the season
That is the Chief Mech responsibility to make sure all parts are legal. A tuff way to lose. Next week Landon. Great I car video.
hope they get the rulebooks similar soon so these cars tour teams can go run a weekly show every now and then without having to spend thousands to fit the rulebook or get booted
They used to make rules specific for a track to keep the cars hostage to their track...lol
Dirt cars are more honest than the asphalt cars nowadays
That because dirt cars don’t have many rules in reality. Other than body rules.
@@zacharyradford5552 You forgot SAFETY. Every Dirt Car must be comprised of at least 90 Percent Gasoline soaked Balsa Wood and/or Paper Mache. Also, a Midget, operating a Meth Lab, in the Trunk, next to the Styrofoam Fuel Container.
Appreciate the transparency. I would like to see you make a video or a short segment where you lay out a NASCAR vs CARS legal shock and show us the differences. Curious if this is a weird PN deal or if there is a real performance difference between the two.
Don't worry about it. You will get it back. Keep up the hard work. Videos are outstanding.
You hold your head up high your doing what your supposed to do……. The car was a handful you did awesome KEEP IT UP.
LMSC rules need to be the same LMSC rules no matter where you go or what series! Great work anyway buddy!
Thanks for update...Rules screw up causes teams to stay home
That's ok brother you and the team have made tremendous strides this summer. Keep on doing your thing.
Man. Super frustrating.
BUT....the people in the know and the people who can help you to the next level can see through the BS and they see you running up front with the best late model drivers in the country.
Keep digging. Less than 1k till 25k subscribers. You're killing the game man. 🤙🤙
I should say, they see you running up front proving YOU'RE one of the best late model racers in the country. Not just running with "them".
Keep diggin brother 🏁🏁
Keep digging man. I feel the LMSC division will evolve into being just like the LMS/BGN deal in the mid 80's. If you want to run LMSC it will be in the Cars Tour and Division I stuff for the NASCAR Weekly guys will be some type of Limited Late Model rules package.
I was lucky enough to grow up not missing a race at Caraway when Bobby Labonte was LMSC champion and there were full fields at most tracks in Mid Atlantic/Southeast regions..I saw recently at Caraway the Lmsc field consisted of 7 cars with maybe 2 that were competitive...
Keep going back with smiley faces on your faces.
I have two questions. What type of penalty did Annabeth get for monster trucking you? How much does a set of shocks cost? If not too expensive keep a set of both in the trailer properly labeled to switch out depending on what series you are running. Oh, one other question, are you going to run Martinsville this year? I have only missed a handful of those over the last 25 years. Sure hope you run it.
Shocks are minimum250-500 EACH up to 1500 EACH
You did a great job! (and I'm old school) When you look hard enough, EVERY ONE is not within there rule book, no matter, a good tech guy will find something if protested! Just saying.. I enjoy your videos. Thanks
We have experienced this as well. I lost a championship because of one illegal shock. After that happened, We have been very aware of every rule that could get us a trip to Dairy Queen...lol DQ. Look towards the future.. Your doing great. Like the content.
Keep you head up. CARS and NASCAR need to unify rules with the cheapest options. That will result in higher car counts for both. FYI loved seeing the quick clip of the vintage mods. My great uncle built the red 53
I'm glad you didn't burn it down after the win. Congratulations
Wonder how the second place guy knew to protest you rear shocks in particular?
They protested all the shocks, not just one.
Landon, I noticed the hat you had on at the end of the video, do you run his product on you're car or just the 22?
3:40 someone help my mans, he's tweaking.
I really hate that. I know you guys work hard and want to do things right. Keep you head up and keep diggjng. Always love your videos.
Regardless of what happens don't not make a video man. It's all good, you can't help technicality faults. It is what it is. I do find it funny there's so many sore losers out in this world. Anyway great run man, keep it up. You're definitely on the right track (no pun intended). You have a large and growing group of fans behind you cheering you on.
Good job Landon and crew
Go get Em Champ ! 🎉🎉& hopefully for this weekend u guy’s are or have installed the COOL suit system in the Terminator. machine 😊😊😊😊🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
You had some great battles and ended up finishing a great drive with a win but sometimes things don't pan out. This bad luck with rules will turn around and when it does you'll be in the victory lane a lot
Shocking outcome. Keep on racing!
Dang you drove a smart race. Congratulations anyway😮
Didnt think it was worth it? There are plenty of hard working people in those grandstands that would beg to differ.
Maybe those same fans might question if its worth it to support a team like that..
Without the fans theres no sponsor interest,Teams like that hurt the sport.
Thanks Huffman Racing for not letting those grandstand down...They deserved a good show.
Beg to differ on what?
@zacharyradford5552 putting racecars in the trailer and not racing because of low car count.The 88, He mentions in the beginning..Maybe I'm not seeing the whole picture, but it doesn't help
I heard Bilstein shock has out some new shocks that cost 8000 dollars a set are they legal to run. I hear some of your competition is running them.
Here we go again
You drove your heart out. Its not your fault. Crew chiefs and owners responsibility to know rule differences and ensure correct parts are used.
Agreed...
Thank you Landon great video. I really needed that lol
Congratulations!
Haters gonna hate what next you running the wrong color sounds about right great run man. Clay from mobile Alabama
Now I do not watch much asphalt racing outside of NASCAR Cup and Landon here, but here in the Midwest dirt world the touring series and the weekly series rules are the exact same rules when it comes to modifieds. I don't know why you would have two sets of rules for the same car that can be run in the weekly series and the touring series, even if its two different "sanctions."
Because NASCAR wants to be different and wants it’s drivers to stay at its tracks.
@@zacharyradford5552wrong.
Frikin great run young man 🏁🏁
heat of battle deal. it happens. I doubt if the shock made a tenth difference but the rules are the rules. just regroup and go get em again.
Every late model series type should have one book. Super Lates, 1 book. Pros and Late Model Stock, 1 book. Late Model Sportman, 1 book.
Need one rule book. Weight is the only thing that should be different if they want
Great job racing Landon.
Just let them race like damn
Great job "Wheelman" I'd like to see you make some laps in a Dirt Latemodel, have you ever raced on dirt? Y'all take care.
Was wondering if you had plans of coming to Langley for the Hampton Heat?
I will not be in langley this weekend! I’ll be at hickory in my own car
... someone is always watching, waiting. Unfortunate. Keep on Running.
Damn good run !!!
Keep getting up and kick some A@#$$%&!!!! LOL😂
Huff, hows the boy doing that had the hung throttle in your ltd lm car?
😂😂 Illegal!! AGAIN!! Funny stuff! Love it!
Your view is money in my pocket! Thanks for watching!
@@LandonHuffmanRacing take view money and buy legal parts
@@thomashaywood-dv9ce my racecars in my shop are legal🤘🏻
I hate that for you Landon but everyone saw you win so that doesn't change your prestige. Keep digging bro
Landon....Tri County and #75!
THe Van!!!!
Less than ideal.
Great run
So they take each shock and put it on a shock dyno? Or is it the color? And as low buck as this series is, shocks are not a big deal. Wow
Shocks are always a big deal make or break a car 3-5 tenths in shocks alone
not the shock differences that were considered in this lol. Maybe from a non adjustable, oil shock vs an adjustable gas pressured shock, but we are talking about a $100 difference and only performance difference is less gas pressure...
@@LandonHuffmanRacing That was what I was thinking. Most of the lower classes on Pavement or Dirt have a shock rule. Some price others gas pressure.
If I just get Dq two weeks ago I believe I would make sure everything was by the Nascar Rules!
Appreciate the information we will be sure to call you whenever we have questions so you can lead us in the best direction
I'm not being negative to you are your team just saying your team just got Dq two weeks ago you know the target is still on your back and it makes it worse that your team runs car's tour and not Nascar on a regular basis agree 100 percent all rules need to be the same!
So, you run the CARS tour, but sounds like your under their rule book and Nascar rule book,good luck with that.
Silly rules that don't mean a thing. Still counts as a win.
Landon why are car counts so bad rn? Long season and funds are low?
PS you’re doing a great job of keeping the fenders and bars in good shape for these Nelson guys. I’m sure it makes improving the car a heck of a lot easier for the team when you aren’t replacing parts and pieces that often
It doesnt help when the teams who predominantly run the CARS Tour have to face different rule books and nuances from track to track. Money is also a factor, and so is the hot summer. You have to remember than 30 of the regions best late model teams run the tour full time
@@LandonHuffmanRacing word. Makes sense. Didn’t think about the track to track aspect of it. Hopefully it can get addressed soon especially now that Dale is getting involved and seeing how it can improve
Wow, you be mighty white in this video. Just bs’n,
good drive, Nelson team should be happy with the driver, next!
Man, that’s rough stuff.
I get the rules and why they were broken. But for us fellas (and ladies) that dont know the difference, what do the shocks do differently and how would that other team know you had one illegal one on the car?
It’s an educated guess… all these cars tour guys bring their expensive crap to the track, and the non cars guys want a fighting chance, so they gamble and challenge various parts that have the cars your rule discrepancy. Word probably got around that Landons team was working on shocks so they reviewed it. Cars tour guys just gotta stop having “oversights”
Keep diggin brother
Maybe have a team rule that nothing that would make the car illegal goes to the given track. Leave it at the shop.
Great Job...
8 or 9 cars. Wow..then car dq again well at least you finished in top 10
I am assuming all the other cars have to race under the same rules. Maybe you need to rewrite your checklist so your car chief doesn't get confused.
I’d say over 60% of nascar late models would fail one of these small knit picks in the tech now. These differences have been present for 5+ years and they have never been a topic of conversation until now. However yes it was still an oversight on our end and it shouldn’t have happened.
Keep getting the wins and when they finally run out of rules to give you the boot then they will shut up.
There’s so many rulebooks (per track) that are so different it’s flat out hard to keep up with all of them…. Just wish all the racetracks and sanctioning body’s (NASCAR, non NASCAR, and the Cars Tour) could agree on a majority of rules and go with that. I get maybe one or two things being different but in my opinion, it’s just way too broad at the moment. And that’s why car counts are low or decreasing almost everywhere you go you have to throw the kitchen sink at it to go 30 minutes down the road to a different racetrack than the one you typically run at, that’s not the way it should be….. that’s just my ✌🏼cents worth tho
Idiots do that crap out here on the west coast too. We have two tracks an hour apart and you can’t run at one track then the other cause the rules are so different. These fools running these tracks think it forces drivers to stay at their tract only. Nope. It pisses people off and they quit racing all together.
It is so sad you were disqalified!!!
Shadee racing
Is that the norm now? If you don't win, and finish 2nd or third you automatically protest and maybe you get lucky? I mean, why would they think your shocks are not legal? Because you out ran them? That is really unfortunate. Still, heck of a run.
Twins don't make sense unless there's an overall win
Cars tour probably won’t change their rules to align with nascar. I don’t see that. I do see nascar probably adjusting to cars tour. Future will tell
Know the rules if you run both tours, I'm glad I got my feet off the floor so I don't get any BS on my boots......
they are not tours. One is a tour, and the other is a guideline rule book that only half the NASCAR tracks in our region abide by. There are to many variables and not enough cars.
Shit happens. Go get'em next time.
These smaller tracks wonder why they have such a small car count. To much political bs. Keep your head up Landon and keep kicking butt out there.
BS like this is why we went to dirt...truth!
It’s not your fault bud. The techs/mechanics need to pay a little more attention is all. Shit happens. Funny how the team picked the one part that the internals were illegal. 🤔
All the rules, evaluations, post inspection whining is tiring for a common fan like me. I wish there was a rule at the green flag that reads: "We have done our best to check, whine, enforce, complain and change. These cars are entered in the race, enjoy the show".
Who knows your shock guy between you two???
You need a napkin?
This same problem kills car count across the country
This rule book deal is bs in my eyes you guys are still the winners if i would have been the car owner i would have back protested
There are a certain amount of people playing games no matter where you go or what you're doing. Keep your eyes 👀 open for the little birdies. Teams trying to gain an advantage. Sorry for your heartbreaking DQ 😢
So, out of all of the things the 5 could have picked to protest and they decided ok the ONE thing that had ONE small interior piece wrong. How is it they new to protest left rear shock? Come on man, they knew somehow.
They protested all 4 shocks. They took a shot in the dark based off of the differences in the cars tour rule book vs the nascar rule book.
Copy that, old Winston Cup Official here and that protest just seemed odd to me.
@@Darrin_ModelGeek that’s the main issue right now. The two rule books have small differences and only some nascar tracks enforce/abide by the nascar book, others allow the cars tour differences.
You had three Penske 7500 shocks? What was the fourth?