Drum Teacher Reacts to Jon Fishman - Phish - Limb By Limb Episode 111
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
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Steve's analysis, initial reactions and hot takes of Jon Fishman of Phish playing "Limb by Limb"
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I’ve been drumming for 15 years, and I love Phish - 65 shows and counting! I think Fishman’s brilliant... But if I had to pick a jam scene favourite, it has to be Joe Russo (of Joe Russo’s Almost Dead, plus a lot more). He is truly in a league of his own. Look up a JRAD Terrapin, where he plays impeccable 32nd-notes at a furious pace, or King Solomon’s Marbles (one of the more “Phishy” Dead songs, in my opinion)... Would love to see your take on that!
Trey started as a drummer. In the mid-90s he had a mini-kit onstage so he could get into drum jams with Fishman and push Mike and Page to lead jams. Also, he is a pretty damn good composer, so he's not just the random guitarist giving the drummer a part to play. He came up with the most complicated part he could for Fish to play, and Fish nailed it. Until they came back in 2002, then it was never quite as good as in 1.0; still really good, but 1999 was really the best time for Limb, IMO. And the 1 is where Gordon hits the two Fs. If you get confused, listen to Cactus play.
What jamband were you in?
Favour to ask of you: Please just jump right in and tell us what your title promises. STOP talking, please. Just play. Thanks!
The song is in 6/8
Never be ashamed to like whatever music you like.
Fish is a marvelous drummer and the secret weapon that sets Phish apart from all other jam bands.
@@loganletsgo lol nah
@@kh7955 nah he is the best jam drummer around past fishman for sure, he’s definitely the best player in goose. His polyrhythmic shit is off tha charts
@@vang5982 I mean he's good but not even close to Fishman's level.
@@kh7955 no yeah totally agree
Kris > Ben.
Trey was actually a drummer originally and didn’t start playing guitar until high school
Was heading to post this fact too!! Haha....he Used to do spatchcock too.
Lol i was gonna say.
Spatchcock
Trey came up with this groove on a drum machine
Science!
Been waiting to see this. Fishman is an absolute monster on the kit. You name it, he has it in spades. A complete drummers drummer.
I was super into Phish in high school (late 90s). I don't listen to them much anymore, but am not embarrassed to say I still love them. The guys are the most skilled "popular" musicians in the last ~30 years, the shows were an absolute blast, they write great music, they did it all the hard way, and they never let ego get in the way. No shame in loving Phish!
I hated this band until I saw them live. Everything was so nonsensical and seemingly simple. Then I saw what they do to a crowd from that stage. No one does that better. They are definitely flirting with GOAT status.
Simple music. Ok dude 🤣
Nah, Phish is great, but they'll never be The Grateful Dead.
@@firstube My man did say "seemingly." I noticed when I used to go on the GD & jam band chats online that it's a common reason people get mad at Phish. To me, it seems like a testament to how badass they are; playing all that crazy shit & people think it's simple.
@@firstube they have a lot of simple music... lets be honest here. Its what they do with it and how high they can build that is mind blowing. Trey also has some very intricately composed stuff and he can absolutely shred... I get what you’re saying but I was coming from metal background and he, they, initially just came off as that. If you bothered to read the rest of the comment you’d have also noticed that I was corrected in my opinion at my phirst show.
Their range is incredible I have nothing but high praise for these guys and they are 100% my favorite band to see live at the moment. But what I love, is that you can find a stripped down, 4-7 min “rock n roll” version of a song to show a new fan or a 27min extended version with a killer improv or segue. I have tried and backspaced too many times at this point. Their is no describing this band. They will continue to do new outlandish shenanigans for years to come if we are all so lucky. Hope to run Into you at a show after this rona shit is gone.
Fish an is a highly underrated drummer!
Phish actually improvises like the way a school of fish swims. it's hard to pin down a de facto leader, but they're always still moving as a cohesive unit. I've heard Page hit wrong notes during a jam and Mike play the SAME WRONG NOTES right behind him. where one leads, I will follow. no boundaries.
That’s honestly what hooked me on the phish. Their willingness to make mistakes, and make them purposefully at points.
My note to Phish haters is this... love or hate the music, you have to respect anyone who found success (insane amount of success in their case) on their own terms. They took the entire map to success in the music biz, rolled it up, smoked it, and did their own thing. Pre-internet. During the peak of MTV. ...That's punk AF!
actually internet was a huge part of their success. pioneers of exploiting the internet to grow their fanbase/community
@@cobbyg5296how so
@@cobbyg5296enlighten us! Phish became hugely successful before windows 95 was released
@@soren3601message boards, tape trading, setlist posting. Tje early I telnet was a big part of their success
“If you just lay down some shit and let the guitarist wank over it, you’re not a jam band.” Amen brother.
I came her to say HAPPY BIRTHDAY JON FISHMAN!!!!
I always thought Fishman deserved way more credit as a drummer. I don't know if it's about the era he came up as a young player, post classic rock and without RUclips and access to tons of info about technique but as a mostly self taught drummer I think his overall style sounds like it's rooted in a combo of a lot of classic rock drummers. He built on that by adding more jazz and world beats. I remember reading an interview where he said early on with Phish he didn't want to ever play conventional rock beats or the same beat twice for their songs. It's pretty impossible to do that over time but at least he was trying something unique. He has incredible stamina. I don't know how he keeps songs going with consistent power sometimes. If he was coming up today I think he'd be a much more sophisticated player because of the resources available online but it doesn't take away how good a player he is. There's so much creativity, power and dynamics in his drumming. BTW I think the time signature is 8/4
Thing is, the drum part fades in so well, it takes a trained ear to hear how insane that beat is.
Stop making apologies for the jam band scene
I kmow cuz all great drunmers ONLY play metal lol
Why would would you call it a dark secret. Man be proud of that shit!! That scene brought live music to the Masses in ways we only dreamt of back in the day! How many musicians were created from this genre is not measurable
IT was one of the most magical weekends of my life. The playing, the festival grounds, and the friends I shared it with. Stoked this is the live version you chose
Love me some Phish.
Yes yes yes
Trey was originally a drummer and is the creative genius behind the band. He would never try to make other members of the band look or sound bad, he just knew Fishman could handle the odd time signature because Fishman is that much of a beast.
Interestingly, when Trey came up the drum programming for LBL he genuinely didn't think Fish (or any human) could play it. 😂
I really appreciated some of your musical insights. As a Phan, you were a little harsh on the Phish community. I do agree, that within any scene that big, you are going to have some kind of underbelly. However, I would say that the vast, vast majority of us love the great music these guys have given us, and enjoy giving our thanks in a loving, peaceful manner. We make up very chill crowds. Do many of us enjoy herb and the occasional mushroom? Absolutely! I would still take my sons to a show because it is a chill, good natured vibe. Love to all!
Fish is one of the great under-appreciated drummers in the history of American rock music. You could probably say the same about the rest of the individual band members too. Say what you want about their songwriting/lyrics/vocals/sound, but their chops and compositional skills (particularly when improvising) are unimpeachable.
You should do a feature on Kris Myers from Umphrey's McGee soon too. One of the best drummers currently playing rock music not named Danny Carey for my money. Seen them about 70 times and just constantly in awe with him every single night.
So many people judge Phish with a closed mind. I had a lot of great times going to see this band in the 90's.
You hit the nail on the head about the Zappa drummers rolled up into one. He can be Chester Thompson at moments, JCB (RIP), Artie Tripp, Wackerman, even hints of Logeman when he wants to play behind the beat. I'm not sure if you know this, but Fishman was selected to make a compilation of his favorite Zappa tunes for CD release. The only other person given that honor was Larry LaLonde, guitarist for Primus. Trey and Fish did a mini tour of Zappa's last run of shows in the northeast in 1988. Great video as always!!
What that's amazing!
If I remember the story correctly, Fishman took two lessons with Joe Morello. The second lesson came when Phish had found some fame. Morello told him not to change a thing about how he played. High praise from the greatest drummer of all time.
Best band ever! No need to offer all the caveats. Also the other word you’re looking for is DRUGS😂
Fish is a guy that grabs the skunk by the tail..
"Their songs are merely excuses to get to a jam" - also every single jazz song ever
Actually Trey played drums from when he was really young until he was like 16. He can still play.
"When you're under a certain uhhhhh... under a certain ughslfj... mentally uhhhh..." LOL good job tip toeing around saying the crowd is melting. Great video! Love me some Phish.
Chemical enhancement?
Fishman is a polyrhythm master. Trey was a drummer before he mastered guitar. He and Mike were trying to bust Fishman's balls with an impossible task that he of course nailed. The phrase "Limb by Limb" refers to the fact that the left and right arms and legs all act independently. Four way independence as you call it.
Phish is great and you’re right they take so many risks playing the way they play.
The amazing part about them - sometimes you can feel a jam falling apart or something but somehow they keep it together and they ALWAYS figure out a way to finish where ever they’re going.
They’re amazing musicians and they sometimes create some magical stuff. I’ll go see phish any day live and have a great time.
Jon gives zero f*cks about critics' or journalists' respect. I interviewed him in '96 and while he was very nice and gave me way more time than he had to, it was clear he could not have cared less about my story or what I or anyone else thought of his drumming or his band. I've always had the best time with musicians like that. They play for the love of their instrument and for the love of music. Period. Major respect.
He's keeping time with one hand on the high hat, and inserting fills with the other. He's incredible. Notice that Mike's head is bobbing in time. He's assisting Fish in keeping time. Individually and collectively, they are some of the best, well-rounded musicians in music. Only hardcore jazz artists are in that league.
This was one of the best sets I've ever seen live, and a phenomenal festival with some amazing jams. Reba, Ya Mar, Ghost, YEM, so much more good shit
This tune is in 6/8. And you're right, the snare hit is on the 1.
Came to the comments to find this or post it. I don’t know why that’s so hard to figure out.
First shows were new years 96 at the Boston Fleet Center I was 15 and the band absolutely blew my mind and I was off and running. Dude limb by limb is one of the hardest drum beats it's all triplets
"....the crowd that has... uh... done things that would open themselves up to being engineered by the band." lol
Trey once said on a DVD that Fishman is basically an entire small African village when it comes to drums.
Phish is my favorite jamband. ‘Not even a close second but I do enjoy other bands like sci, wsp, um.
Phish has so many great songs.best musicians on the planet.hands down
Trey has said the secret to their success and longevity is that the four of them are still friends. Simply stated and makes alot of sense to me on many levels. The absence of ego in how they treat and relate to each other. That's the foundation they have bloomed from. Just on paper itself they have been one of the most successful bands to ever exist. Not to mention their beautiful artistry over this period. In 2024, 41 years later, they are hardly a nostalgia act. It's all about Love. Love is always the answer.
Can we talk about playing AND singing?! I feel like that's hardest for drummers. Particularly to isolate your voice from the impacts of playing drums, and singing in a round.
There was a time when this band was very important to me. I got into them before they blew up, saw them in clubs and small theaters. Saw them perform Gamehenge and several Halloween shows as well. Even hung out with them a few times. I've lost count, but I think I saw them around 50 times. Over time, I did outgrow it. I got tired of the long traffic jams getting to the shows, the masses of kids without tickets clogging up the scene and the shift towards funk and away from their early prog vibe killed a lot of my enthusiasm. Also meaningful lyrics are very important to me and that is definitely not their strong suit. All that aside, they helped me gravitate towards other types of music and styles, which made me who I am today. I discovered bands like Pavement and Guided By Voices because of Trey mentioning them in interviews. I wish Fishman would publish his college thesis on drumming, I'm sure there's a wealth of information in there. Great videos sir, keep them coming.
I dunno how much you've kept up but the lyrics are definitely much more Touch of Grey than Reba now lol.
Go see them today, wd are much older now. The lots are filled with people in their mid 30s-60s you don’t see many young people at shows unless it’s parents bringing their kids. Definitely not like the scene you left in the Ectasy era
i love phish and the dead, but when people tell me they suck i say "yea i get it"
Fishman, also played in Jazz Mandolin Project and, in my opinion, was able to showcase his skills much more. Phish is more groove centric but from the Guitarist point of view
talking music about my favorite band of all times with musicians is a rare gem. thanks for doing this.
I was and still am a fan of some punk, < a Phish/Hippie hating audience if ever there were) but I love improvisational music and Phish are fantastic musicians in that respect. You see John Fishman play with the Jazz Mandolin Project??? Awesome!
YES!!! Carter Beauford and Jon Fishman are so kick ass, man, they are like the movie Kick-Ass!!!
Pocket drummer... Fish stays on time
Why the dark secret disclaimer at the beginning? Lol. Doesn't seem necessary.
But yes, Fish is one of the best drummers alive.
The band is named Phish for a reason👆....also, Trey IS a drummer!!
Love that I can see myself in this vid
Jazz is the teacher, funk is the preacher and one without the other, you have nothing but the blues.
Billy Breathes - also a fantastic standalone song
My favorite song!
It's a really beautiful song
That whole album is so killer
Amsterdam guitar solo is the best
He's so solid. More vaccuum!
Here for the Phish! Yes! Great video man. Can’t wait to watch more of your stuff. 👍
knew jon since the 70s he lived by me i watched him progress on drums he worked hard at it /cant hate this dude hes always been a cool dude he had alot of Bruford influence early on Crimson was huge back then he picked up alot on it .
Trey is a really good drummer, actually. Don’t forget Phish is notorious for switching instruments on stage....
Annnnd you aren’t wrong.. Trey loves bringing Fish impossible beats, that Fish ALWAYS figured out.
J Mascis is an interesting parallel to Trey -- they are both known for being guitarist and frontmen, but both started on drums.
I can say being a early phish guy (early '90s) that the crowd isn't as "shady" as back in the day. I have brought my kids to several shows the last couple years. Sure, some herb and NO2 ballons may be seen but nothing close to what it was in the mid 90's. May have been shady but it was fun :)
Fishman is one of 4 drummers that have basically taught me how to play over the years. When I was first starting out 25 years ago some of Fishman's beats were almost incomprehensible to me. Anyways, Fishman, Chad Sexton (311), David Garibaldi (Tower of Power), and most recently Adam Deitch (Lettuce) are my biggest influences. As a long time jam band player, Fishman has taught me more than any drum instructor could about feeling the music and just letting go and flowing rather than giving too much thought to what I'm doing or going to do next.
If you dig Fishman’s latin style, you have to take a look at Ya Mar. Left hand-driven calypso beat, polyrhythms for days, and just perpetual groove. Definitely would love to see you cover it on the channel!
Does he eventually try to play or teach the beat? Or is it just talking about jam bands
Fish is a big zappa fan
Just caught them at Hershey stadium a couple weeks ago and Fishman Absolutely put on a clinic ...
the guy is a true player.
I really appreciate the vocal arrangements these guys put together.
I loved the festival scene. '80s, '90's & 2000's. Digged camping. Met a lot of friendly people and you know they liked the same kind of music. We put glow sticks on a kite so we knew where our tent was. Jam band scene was fun and friendly. I ended up with some great music for my library. Keller Williams writes good songs and has great stage presence. Yonder Mountain String Band ( R.I.P. Jeff Austin ) . Jam bands have a stigma, and I kinda get it but the scene has given us champions like Phish.
Phish is my all time favorite band. Never seen them live and no desire to. The studio album is my weapon of choice.
You're crazy you absolutely need to see them live that's not even a question. I'll buy your ticket.
It's in 4/4. Fish plays a triplet thing so it feels like 6/8, but it's 4. I'm guitarist that fiddles on drums and I learned this beat. It's actually not that hard (the jam section is a different story. He's filling half the time and I can't come close). My buddy who is a drummer and guitarist and has an amazing sense of time (he used to count the break down from Reba for me - only person I've ever met that does that) and I was playing drums with him on guitar and I played this and was like "yeah, it's in 6/8. I love this beat". He goes, "no. It's in 4". End of conversation. He's right. My favorite part is when the band comes into the jam after the last chorus and Fish's little highhat riff. They come in on the 2. It's very hard to do. I fuck it up every time. But it's a 4/4 beat for sure. The triplets make it groove and move in a jazzy 6/8 way though. Fishman is the man. His ability to drive the jams and then sit back and create that washy atmosphere while the other guys figure out what to do is truly amazing. I might buy a flat ride without a bell for that purpose. Check out Fishman's rig rundown if you have not.
Trey said he named the band Phish because if he were someone coming to see them play he would be watching Fishman, who everyone in the band simply calls “Fish”, the whole show. The shows I’ve been at where I was fortunate enough to be close to the stage I definitely was watching Fishman the entire time. If you see them at a venue that has seating behind the stage, that is the best view for watching him imo, especially if you’re above him a lil bit.
You absolutely nailed the description of the difference bt Phish and most other jam bands!
Speaking of a band messing with their drummer with a machine, Morbid Angel told their drummer that the drum machine could play more consistent and faster. Their drummer thought his job was in danger so he practiced enough to where he was faster and better. The band was flabbergasted and told him it was all a joke.
A.K.A COMMANDO!
*Checks video length* Yep, this is a Phish reaction video!
The funny thing is... Trey was a drummer before he was a guitar player
Honestly IMO Fish's greatest drum moments come from 11/17/97 Ghost
I’m so glad to see someone say this. When he starts the best that leads to THE jam, he keeps that beat for such a long time while all 3 other guys just take it to another dimension. Such a great song, and Fish drove that time machine.
@@granthammack3679 right when they come out of the peak around 14:00, Fish starts my favorite groove of all time. Yes I know this is a popular jam, but its what got me hooked on Phish and still til this day nothing beats it to me.
"...destroys America"
By many accounts the Phish scene started to get really dark in the early 2000s. A lot more pharmaceuticals, ODs, etc. But since the band took 5yrs off to clean themselves up, the scene seems to have gotten better as well. Trey is even working on opening a rehab center.
It would be cool to see you react to a newer tune like Fuego - ruclips.net/video/-TnkKp3vk8w/видео.html
Yes Fuego... love the tempo change when it kicks in gear
C'mon, current Phish is so lame. Their new music sounds like Christian soft rock. They lost their edge and are so out of touch with their fanbase. And I'm a lifelong Phish fan.
@@unkownuser5809 Yes, I think we call your kind "the jaded vet"
@@Futt.Buckerson lmao, so true. I think the last album o actually liked was round room, after that the new stuff just turned me off. I've lost count of shows, but sadly at any new shows I just hope to hear old songs. It's all good though, glad to know they still bring pleasure to so many, but to each their own.
@@unkownuser5809 I definitely see where you're coming from. I think 3.0 performances are mostly great, but the songwriting has taken a bit of a dive.
I'm curious if you like or would like Dogs in a Pile. They're a jam band out of New Jersey. They're the greatest I've heard in a long time.
Fish is a master technician.
Have you ever seen John Fishman with the Jazz Mandolin Project?? Super Cool!
Surrender to the Air... great release mid 90's, wonderful jazz. I miss Marc Ribot.
My parents were at It fest
Trey plays the Drums really well BTW
You mentioned The Bad Plus when talking about the difference between good and bad styles of jamming. I love them. Do you have a video on Dave King? I didn’t see one on your page but could have easily missed it...
Soon
Most people fail to realize how much of the modern live concert experience as we know it today as far as lighting and sound, is heavily influenced by Phish. They were kind of a test bed for much of the live recording and streaming that are prevalent today. A band that basically played 250 plus shows a year for almost 2 decades provided an excellent opportunity for experimentation and innovation in the lighting and sound industry.
"It's always the guitar player that announces to the world they figured out how to program drum beats and they've got something for ya!" 😂
So true, but remember, Trey was originally a drummer. He played drums in bands all through high school -- and didn't even pick up the guitar until he was 17. Which is just ridiculous considering the level of proficiency he attained in a relatively short time period. Great video.
I love Phish. And I totally agree with your, “they’re just jacking off” comment. My fellow Phish fan friend and I often say, “Wrap it up!” relating it to the old Dave Chappell skit.
And some of their jams are obviously straight fire.
Wow! Very impressive, jazz = Charlie Parker and improv at it's BEST. YEA I'M OLD BUT LOVE THIS
I LOVE this version of Limb- just amazing.
Professional drummer " I have no idea what time this is I can't find the 1" :-)
Check out King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard. Awesome two drummer band and they do some pretty creative drumming on the song 'Nuclear Fusion'
I already did!
would love 20 minutes of dead riffing but, after a long 24 hours of the forest around me falling down, this hits the spot
You haven’t heard Limb by Limb in 15 plus years? Egads man!
That was my thought also.
Trey can play drums pretty well
@junk drummer tv the song is in 6/8.
The 90's Rocked!
I hit the bell today because your videos literally never appear in my feed and I've got no idea why.
Thanks Steve, cool vid. At around 8:17 I was like “.....under a certain.... weight, err....height, err..... influence, err......blanket, err... paygrade.” Also, I appreciate the British-ism.
I am waiting for the other drunk uncles to come on here and say stuff like "like we need 20 more minutes of phish riffing."
I'm sure they will
This bring to mind two things. The first is the classic Blogspot page "Jam band fan or Taliban." If you haven't seen it I recommend. The second is a question I often ask people. Is Tool technically a jam band? They improvise a lot live that's for sure but does that count as them being a jam band? Let me know what you think.
Do they write compositions specifically for and then play live for the intent purpose of improvising? If so, then yes!
Not a phish fan, but I saw them ONCE, great show and appreciate the music :)
"THERE!....That is how you f#$ing improvise!"