Messiahs and Villains: Trump, Lentz, and the Southern Baptist Saga | The New Evangelicals

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  • Опубликовано: 31 янв 2025

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  • @gnostalgic
    @gnostalgic 7 месяцев назад +30

    This is one of the only Christian channels that doesn’t trigger some form of religious PTSD for me. Each conversation is such a vibe

    • @gnostalgic
      @gnostalgic 7 месяцев назад

      @@ajthomas2937 what are you, a member of the Lord’s keyboard army? Nobody asked.

  • @jellerzellar4588
    @jellerzellar4588 7 месяцев назад +33

    Thanks to fundie Fridays this is my new favorite podcast 🙌 👌

  • @ronaldcala
    @ronaldcala 7 месяцев назад +12

    I grew up the son of a christian pastor and my step mother was an ordained reverend. We spent our summers in this christian camp meeting that had houses from the 1800s with outhouses. We traveled around putting on passion plays for people. When I was 5 my mom threw out all my He-man and smurf toys cause the church said they were evil. We never went to a single event that was not church sponsored. We went to church services 3-4 days a week. I remember selling angel pins to support missionaries (illegally may I add) outside of Billy Graham speeches. We were bussed 3 towns over to a christian school that still believed in corporal punishment. Got beat regularly. All that said. I am now 42 married to an immigrant with a beautiful daughter. I am an extremely vocal independent progressive. So there is hope. Don’t let them pervert the Bible to justify hate! I am enjoying hearing people with similar experiences that think like me! Keep it up please!

  • @juliajaeger8175
    @juliajaeger8175 7 месяцев назад +29

    My boyfriend is a deacon in the SBC and he was conceived by IVF. This is all soooo enfuriating. I cannot believe whats going on right now.

  • @tiijan315
    @tiijan315 7 месяцев назад +12

    I'm a life long atheist and you have become one of my favorite channels. You define heart warming! Thanks for showing it never was about religious beliefs.

  • @jeffalderson9443
    @jeffalderson9443 7 месяцев назад +26

    Love Janice ! Happy to see this collaboration.

  • @kariannecrysler640
    @kariannecrysler640 7 месяцев назад +20

    Excellent guest host! Loved the news this week & wishing April safe travels.

  • @kellyg1228
    @kellyg1228 7 месяцев назад +22

    That crowd chanting "bullshit" just completely blows my mind! Blasphemy ... you nailed it brother.

  • @SatansRoerhat
    @SatansRoerhat 7 месяцев назад +8

    Janice sending lots of respect and good vibes to you 🌈

  • @sweetbbyrage
    @sweetbbyrage 7 месяцев назад +17

    Janice is amazing and hilarious, plus the kufiyah in the background 💚🖤🤍❤️
    Loving yalls content as a spiritual queer!
    P.S. thanks Fundie Fridays

    • @nataliepaad1869
      @nataliepaad1869 7 месяцев назад +4

      Yup! I so appreciated that she showed that!🙏🏽

    • @yippieskippy2971
      @yippieskippy2971 7 месяцев назад +3

      🍉🖖🌈 from an athiest queer & fellow Fundie Fridays fan

  • @maureencowanmagee911
    @maureencowanmagee911 7 месяцев назад +11

    Such a great segment, informative and entertaining. Love Janis and her wit!

  • @Mzmarie-o9z
    @Mzmarie-o9z 7 месяцев назад +7

    Please have Janice back, love her perspective! Miss April too!

  • @erileigh969
    @erileigh969 6 месяцев назад

    Beyond important video! Thank you both for sharing truth!!!

  • @angiekelley9832
    @angiekelley9832 7 месяцев назад +4

    Grew up the same way. Thank you for speaking the truth that needs to said. I appreciate you and your guests so much.

  • @christahewitt2758
    @christahewitt2758 7 месяцев назад +7

    “I’m yelling on a Friday Janice!” “Hey, these are your people” 😂 you both are so funny.

  • @BramptonAnglican
    @BramptonAnglican 7 месяцев назад +11

    Absolutely love her personality.

  • @BIRDY31176
    @BIRDY31176 7 месяцев назад +5

    I appreciate Tim so much for calling all this out

  • @aletheac3400
    @aletheac3400 7 месяцев назад +8

    Next week you should cover how The Right came for Dolly Parton and that caused her to delete her social media

  • @carriebee5418
    @carriebee5418 7 месяцев назад +4

    love my new friend Janice🎉

  • @soladeogloriayahudit
    @soladeogloriayahudit 7 месяцев назад +2

    Profoundly Ample ❤! W O W! Known as A WORD OF WISDOM. HALLOW.

  • @erinl1265
    @erinl1265 7 месяцев назад +11

    There is also a narrative that supports the idea that college is bad. I went to a Christian college and recently graduated with BA in ministry leadership and just got MA in something else.
    College taught me to think critically and ask questions. We must all think critically. This blind faith idea is super dumb.

    • @bebel0ck
      @bebel0ck 7 месяцев назад

      Anti-intellectualism is their favorite because ignorant people are easier to manipulate, especially if they were indoctrinated as children and their education was completely bible-focused because they were homeschooled or went to Christian academies and were told the public school was evil

  • @davsav4life
    @davsav4life 7 месяцев назад +12

    I just got a Hillsong College Ad whilst watching this video haha

    • @bjohnson1085
      @bjohnson1085 7 месяцев назад

      You can block ads you don’t want fyi

  • @erinl1265
    @erinl1265 7 месяцев назад +10

    First off. I found you when you did the Paul and Morgan collab. I can't say I agree with all of your conclusions regarding God and the Bible but I am a truth seeker like you and I know that people all have different interpretations of the Bible. I agreed with a lot of what you say.
    I have been so confused about Trump worship. I am 50 now and grew up on A/G. The adults in my life at the time taught me to be the Christian I am now..but now they are rejecting the faith. I am happy to find people like you who call this out as a cult! It helps me realize that I am NOT wrong after all.
    Then you have all the false prophets out there. It pisses me off that people do not KNOW the Bible and they don't know our faith. They do not understand theology. If they did they would know this is a lie! God said in the last days there would be false prophets and false gospels.

  • @AnnaThorley
    @AnnaThorley 7 месяцев назад +1

    Janice is spot on!!!!!

  • @benstrait333
    @benstrait333 7 месяцев назад +15

    This type of "prayer" makes me ill. It is NOT a prayer to God, he's only talking to the people in front of him. These people refuse to see that THEY ARE the Pharisees 🤮🤮🤮

  • @paulsbookshelf8600
    @paulsbookshelf8600 7 месяцев назад +12

    Blueberry coffee for life!

  • @nancywelchner1924
    @nancywelchner1924 7 месяцев назад +5

    These "Christians" forget that God grants freewill to follow Him or not. But they think they know better than God that freewill can't be allowed. They place themselves above God.

  • @peggymuller4588
    @peggymuller4588 7 месяцев назад +7

    "Long con" what an accurate description!

  • @jaimesfolly
    @jaimesfolly 7 месяцев назад +2

    I needed to hear Janice at 25:00.

  • @jaki829
    @jaki829 7 месяцев назад +7

    daddy trump! 😂 i didnt know who janice was, but i need to follow her!

  • @ceciliaramos2280
    @ceciliaramos2280 7 месяцев назад +7

    The brand “New England Coffee”. Sells a very good Blueberry Cobbler coffee. I brew it all the time. It makes the house smell like blueberries and it is delicious.

  • @Brutuscomedy
    @Brutuscomedy 7 месяцев назад +5

    Did someone say "bonkers?" Man, that was a litty candy back in the day. 😆

  • @Kj7703-x4x
    @Kj7703-x4x 7 месяцев назад +1

    I agree with Janice ALL the way!

  • @starkovichforster
    @starkovichforster 7 месяцев назад +6

    Matthew Barnett is the son of Luke Barnett. Dream Center Church, Phoenix,, began as First Assembly of God. The Dream Center was their homeless outreach ministry that they expanded by funding other Dream centers, beginning with son being sent to L.A. The Hillsong movement started as Assemblies of God, Australia. These people have operated their churches in nepotism for many years, which is why they had no issue with Trump doing the same. Because Jesus is worshipped as King, there is a cultural acceptance of sons and daughters inheriting the kingdoms, i.e. ministries started by the parents. Finally, the ideologies of dominions and The Manifested Sons of God are woven into the spiritualization of everything these people espouse. The Charismatic Movement is consumed with these teachings.

    • @musicappreciate
      @musicappreciate 5 месяцев назад

      And on the Reformed side, the have starkly different theology, but will link arms with the Charismatics for this rightist agenda. This makes a literal interpretation of Revelation seem quite plausible.

  • @brucejones7071
    @brucejones7071 7 месяцев назад +1

    esp. minutes 40-48 about -- you two are exactly right -- well-stated!

  • @VermonCaTaffy
    @VermonCaTaffy 7 месяцев назад +6

    If this is a simulation, please pull my plug.

  • @tdsollog
    @tdsollog 7 месяцев назад +1

    That bit in the middle about taking the MAGA energy and applying it to Hunter was pure comedy gold.

  • @michaeldunigan1067
    @michaeldunigan1067 7 месяцев назад +4

    Mordor, I mean Mara Lago, probably has some pretty good parties.

  • @melonhead122908
    @melonhead122908 7 месяцев назад

    Dear Tim - here in Springfield, Missouri, the one chain we don’t have is 7-11. Where else can one find a comparable equivalent to the legendary blueberry coffee?

  • @walterreed9737
    @walterreed9737 7 месяцев назад +2

    Those people (who worship Trump) souls are at stake. Lord, help them to know you are the savior.

  • @TheParadoxDestroyer
    @TheParadoxDestroyer 7 месяцев назад +3

    Had to take anti nausea medications part way through when playing clips of pastors' shucking sermons for Trump.
    Please provide a notice at the beginning of your podcasts, so those of us who have been traumatized by this crowd can take our meds first.

  • @food4soul7798
    @food4soul7798 7 месяцев назад +3

    Can you put the things Janice plugged in the description?

  • @helenr4300
    @helenr4300 7 месяцев назад +4

    Re two corinthians comment. I never got that, I am in UK, studied in seminary, work as a church leader and second v two are used interchangeably, two esp when citing references..... Eg 2 Cor 1 said as two corinthians one. (or... Chapter one)

    • @MusicalRaichu
      @MusicalRaichu 7 месяцев назад

      My Bible, published by an American company, literally says "2 Corinthians", not "2nd Corinthians". These Americans don't even know God's word.

    • @cdlahm7571
      @cdlahm7571 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@MusicalRaichuI went to Christian School for 14 years, and church for nearly as many. Nobody ever said “Two Corinthians.”

    • @brucee8332
      @brucee8332 7 месяцев назад +4

      It’s a matter of knowing the tradition in the country of your citizenship-and desired power grab. All over America, in Evangelical as well as in “failing mainstream” churches, the reader who says “Two Corinthians” instead of “Second Corinthians “ is going to be mocked as an ignorant fake.😊

    • @cdlahm7571
      @cdlahm7571 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@brucee8332 Exactly. It just screams “poser”

    • @MusicalRaichu
      @MusicalRaichu 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@cdlahm7571 fyi my comment was a joke on fundamentalism. if the bible literally says "2" not "2nd", then God's absolute inerrant truth is "2" not "2nd".
      but also fyi I've been going to church for even longer and no one says "second". it's only since the internet being able to hear talks from america that i even knew some people say it that way.

  • @james-russellgause4735
    @james-russellgause4735 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you! "It doesn't count if you dont do it, too!"

  • @walterreed9737
    @walterreed9737 7 месяцев назад +1

    Correction: Issues with the pharisees and sadducees. They were hypocrites.

  • @bubbabare6811
    @bubbabare6811 7 месяцев назад +1

    The true atheists are the pastors who gathered at the White House with trump.

  • @prudentreality
    @prudentreality 6 месяцев назад

    15:29 “We were terrible people […] and this is our hell. We did bad things […] and this is our chance to repent.” 🤣🤣🤣. 😳. 😭😭😭

  • @nancywelchner1924
    @nancywelchner1924 7 месяцев назад +1

    The internet even has pics of people bowing to and placing hands on and praying to that abomination of a golden "calf"

  • @brendaklose9884
    @brendaklose9884 7 месяцев назад

    Hahaha. Yes! So glad you brought up the grift! Janice I fully expect a new (hilarious) pay transparency report from what the algorithm gives for this one. Love them

  • @jdcjr50
    @jdcjr50 7 месяцев назад

    Thank you. I only wish you would use the term, 'false messiah' instead of just "Messiah". That spot is reserved.

  • @MisterTutor2010
    @MisterTutor2010 7 месяцев назад

    Trump is a man of convictions :)

  • @aletheac3400
    @aletheac3400 7 месяцев назад +1

    It would be nice if you could talk more about the votes on the sexual abuse protection proposals and guidepost article in the SBC. Or interview someone that was there?

  • @firegriff446
    @firegriff446 7 месяцев назад

    There is a good example of Repentance in the Bible that is applicable to what is being said: Zacchaeus, the Tax Collector. When he turned to Jesus in repentance, he immediately declared what he was going to do to repent of the wrongs he did. He would **pay back** anyone he had cheated, and not just what he had cheated them off, but four times the amount of that... in addition to giving half of his possessions to the poor. Now, the public declaration wasn't the repentance, the act of making reparations for the sins he committed against others was. And the people he made reparations to were under no obligation to trust him ever again, nor was his repentance tied to whether or not they forgave him. The thing is, repentance is a genuine sorrow of the heart for the harm we have done to others through our actions, and that will drive us to seek to heal the pain that has resulted from it.

  • @JohnThomas-ut3go
    @JohnThomas-ut3go 7 месяцев назад +1

    Is Trump not what evangelicals taught? I know there were some surface morality teachings, but the foundation of evangelical teachings for decades has ben political power.

  • @Mzmarie-o9z
    @Mzmarie-o9z 7 месяцев назад

    Tim I’d like to hear your thoughts on the episode with Carl’s kids…I couldn’t finish it

  • @RaymondTheThird
    @RaymondTheThird 7 месяцев назад +4

    21:51 I believe this is a direct reference to project 2025

  • @BramptonAnglican
    @BramptonAnglican 7 месяцев назад +6

    Also we love Tim lol all is forgiven. Tim is amazing. 🩷

  • @Climbing_Rivers
    @Climbing_Rivers 7 месяцев назад

    Kennedy 2024!

  • @Livelifeonpurpose6426
    @Livelifeonpurpose6426 7 месяцев назад +2

    I like you guys but you are young I grew up in the civil rights movement that fought and a gave you these rights to even have your Pod cast the real fighters yes we are old its time for this younger generation to hit the streets and fight as we did do not cast down and judge the older generation when all you do is talk raise up a generation that will give you the thing you are needing run for office and really put your words to work

  • @michaeldunigan1067
    @michaeldunigan1067 7 месяцев назад +2

    You're wrong. They are thinking about homeless people. Homeless woman can no longer be pastors and cannot access IVF to conceive children. Get it right.

  • @lifesprint
    @lifesprint 7 месяцев назад

    The common issue is that evangelicals are only concerned with the cult of personalities and celebrity. Everything else is just talk!!!

  • @soniamendoza7497
    @soniamendoza7497 7 месяцев назад

    Did anyone from that church speak out against the bullshit chant- curious

  • @kavitadeva
    @kavitadeva 7 месяцев назад +1

    I Don't know your name and for that I apologize. However I have been leaving comments on every video I watch because the impact you have made on me has been astronomical.I have told you already that I found my tribe on this channel. I was going to completely deconstruct but I just couldn't do that because I love Jesus. I do not love being a Christian because to me being especially an evangelical Christian is embarrassing and it is not inviting to any non-believer to join us if that's who you are. I just want to let you know that I might not live very long due to chronic illnesses and becoming disabled. So it was a very scary topic for me. what I want to share is this very important horrific part of evangelical Christianity. I WENT TO A CHURCH AND IT WASN'T EVEN AT THIS CHURCH BECAUSE I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME AND THAT IS IF YOU GET CLOSER TO GOD THAT PISSES OFF SATAN AND YOU WILL BE ATTACKED. THE CLOSER YOU GET TO GOD THE MORE SATAN WILL HARASS YOU AND MAKE YOUR LIFE MISERABLE. SO I HAD YOUNG ADULTS YOU KNOW KIDS IN MIDDLE SCHOOL SAYING WELL WHY WOULD I WANT TO GET CLOSE TO GOD WHEN YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT IF I DO THAT, THEN SATAN'S GOING TO RAMP UP HIS ATTACK ON ME I'm TOO SCARED I DON'T WANT TO GET CLOSE TO GOD.IF SATAN'S GOING TO GET MORE EVIL WITH ME. How is it that people cannot understand that saying that to people only makes them want to get away from God. where are people's logic Why can't they understand that when you tell people every time you get closer toGod Satan is going to get very pissed off and you will know about it. That's a good way to keep people away from feeling you know invited into the fold of Christ. Thanks.

    • @bjohnson1085
      @bjohnson1085 7 месяцев назад

      Peace sweet soul thanks for sharing ❤

  • @Sarah-s9s1g
    @Sarah-s9s1g 7 месяцев назад

    Hahahaha a flat earther “spinning the world”. That’s hysterical. I imagine a flat earth spinning like a pizza flying in the air 😂

  • @torenielsen9993
    @torenielsen9993 7 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent guest host. Seems like Tim has to rediscover that the preacher is lying, disembling and working the audience. You can't figure out which shell the pea is under, 'cos that's not the object of a shell game.

  • @angelito90210
    @angelito90210 7 месяцев назад

    Lol fun show! Maybe your takes on Trump's new baby shark doo doo and Hannibal Lecter policy would be good.

  • @TheDarcywife
    @TheDarcywife 7 месяцев назад

    Doesn’t Lentz live in Tulsa?

  • @Mzmarie-o9z
    @Mzmarie-o9z 7 месяцев назад

    51:52 omg this is CRAZY!!!!!!!

  • @missydeal7346
    @missydeal7346 7 месяцев назад

    I was listening on spodify but had to come here to comment. That prayer. 🤯so disgusting that the name of God is being taken in vain. Bleck. So gross.

  • @EatTheBilliomaires
    @EatTheBilliomaires 7 месяцев назад

    Maybe you’d want to look into Project 2025 and write to disrupt that for the next few months. You’ll be hearing about it soon if you don’t already know about it.

  • @melindajudy8742
    @melindajudy8742 7 месяцев назад

    Hes not innocent! Hes a criminal who is finally being held accountable! Hes a big whiny cry baby who cant accept to he truth!

  • @veggiet2009
    @veggiet2009 7 месяцев назад

    "they might be even the same side of the same coin" no, one is a convicted felon who talks openly about being a dictator, and the other compromises too much and also mumbles sometimes
    Edit: I get what you said after this comment, but I'm even more disillusioned with the third party situation here in this country. Like the system is so rigged against other voices. I was a big third party proponent pre-2020. But I just don't think it's a pragmatic choice, until a politician in one of the big two parties starts to support alternative voting systems that allow third parties to start gaining recognition I just don't think it's feasible.

  • @walterreed9737
    @walterreed9737 7 месяцев назад

    Let's not forget Christ had similar issues with the Pharc

  • @Mzmarie-o9z
    @Mzmarie-o9z 7 месяцев назад +1

    50:03 he’s gross lol

  • @BettyMensch
    @BettyMensch 7 месяцев назад

    Pray for people that are lukewarm. Repent has to come from your heart. Why would you call anyone a Messiah when you know he is not. He had a book written and it is historical Bible. Everyone knows it is not a real Bible if you have one. Blasphemy is what you are saying. No one is worshipping Trump. You are so misleading. God is your judge at the end.

  • @Tulipgirl77777
    @Tulipgirl77777 7 месяцев назад

    What’s the “2 Corinthians” thing? It’s completely normal to call it that in Australia by the way so are all Australian Christians fake?

  • @DavidGuess-uq1ue
    @DavidGuess-uq1ue 7 месяцев назад

    Why should people celebrate something they believe is sin? That's so weird. Everybody is a sinner, but why should we celebrate sin?we can celebrate the person but why do we need to celebrate the sin? It goes both ways.

  • @JohnThomas-ut3go
    @JohnThomas-ut3go 7 месяцев назад

    If you accept Trump is the messiah, tge 2nd coming of Jesus, God incarnate then when Trump turns to himself he is turning to God and does embody God's message.😂

  • @brucetrue
    @brucetrue 7 месяцев назад

    Not all on board, especially with supporting Hamas!

  • @fultoneth9869
    @fultoneth9869 6 месяцев назад

    Wokie Tokie, 👎 substance

  • @garybryson1900
    @garybryson1900 7 месяцев назад

    There is nothing about this channel that has anything to do with real Christianity.

    • @elanorwallis9730
      @elanorwallis9730 7 месяцев назад +2

      There is so much rich, Christ-like behavior on here. Call it what you like. This is love.

    • @jaimesfolly
      @jaimesfolly 7 месяцев назад +3

      Many discussions on this channel reflect the teachings in the Sermon on the Mount and the good fruits of the spirit.

  • @melindajudy8742
    @melindajudy8742 7 месяцев назад

    I'm sorry you are so brain washed!