Nice build guys! For anyone wondering, this only works with rot resistant species like osage, yew, juniper, laburnum etc. If a whitewood has been on the ground outside for more than a few days it’ll start rotting.
As a woodworker on the western shore of US I didn't recognize the timber but wondered if it could be similar to yew. It is a great color and seems to work well. Do you know what species it is?
Have you seen how Clay Hayes does it? A draw knife with a horse bench is more satisfying than a power sander for me personally. I also use a block plane and spoke shave a lot. It's a cool video though.
@@baz3184 I actually plan on getting into bow making once I'm able to! I especially want to try to build a Penobscot self bow. But unfortunately I live in Alberta Canada, which is a province that doesn't have great woods. I'm also in a tough spot with finances, so new hobbies are on a wait list. But once I'm back on my feet, for sure!
@Goofist Mcnutty I live on Australia and we famously have terrible bow woods. I do have access to a nice big forest were I can try different timbers. Just use whatever hard wood you can get your hands on and learn through failure. A hammer ,sand paper, a pencil hatchet, saw, and a sharp knife (you don't need a draw knife but it helps allot) you can probably get a full kit for under $100. Then go buy a nice draw knife for around $100. And maybe a small vice. You can do it brother! 💪
I like that you take the time to explain everything in the bow building process. Never built one myself but find this all very informative. Having no experience and only knowing what I have seen on RUclips, as possible constructive observation, I have noticed something while you are tillering on the tiller tree. I noticed as you are about to mark the Right side with the Tillering Gizmo you unintentionally let off the trilling draw by up to 1" in some cases then mark.. I wonder if you locked the tillering draw in at your desired point you would get more accurate tilling per side. Like I said I know really nothing and am only offing this as constructive observation and a possible way of improving tillering accuracy and efficiency. If I am any close to being a little correct might be worth your while to try it out I'd be curious to know. Happy Bowyering!
Oh, Loved the longbow you made for your son that an amazing gift. Yes, my brother started at age 4 in 1997 with bows that fit his size from a friends dad his uncles old bows and I was 8 at the time. Later the dad got in 1998 when 8 bows that actually fit me but more importantly his dad better at an estate sale he went to for some old 1960's tools that were higher grade then mid level in the 1990's. The good bows from Bear were sold off, leaving the Ben Person/Colt and lower quality stuff from Shakespear that was left. The guy had run a traditional bow shop into the 1980's when compound took off and he had a hard time selling bows that were not target/target ILF so his shop became a non compound Target bow shop for those needing bows for specific types of target competitions like free form non compound, ASL target bows with the forward facing handle, and 3D target stuff including bows that would work for hunting too. He stopped selling broadheads unless somebody asked to order them in, selling arrows only for target use as the skinny aluminum arrows but could also be used for hunting if one removed the fixed target point that he always put on arrows or if one did the work or ground the point down to blunt and used a glue on broadhead.
Dude, big respect. You've awakened a 25yr old love of whittling and archery. A bow build in my near future feels imminent! If i can offer a keeping-it-real criticism...a lot of your older videos feel more genuine, and i think it has something to do with you getting a selfie monitor and constantly glancing at it like you're either insecure or a little off.
I am currently using a hickory stave that has been rotting away in the mud and surprisingly it's turning out into a good bow, it's my first bow and I had to use a machete as a draw knife as I am still working on getting all the proper tools, I'm hoping through the heat treatment I can shape this bow as it needs to be, I am very limited to what I have for tools, literally the most basic, counting an old survival knife for the tillering process while have to pretty much floor tiller the whole project due to lack of making a tillering jig, my issue right now is coming up with a way to put some heat on the bow while figuring out using clamps and a board to shape it as it needs to be, videos like this, though I lack the tools used, still helps me to create this bow I am building for the first time, I am a carpenter of 20 years so I'm not a virgin to woodworking, just building a bow
God this was my favorite video you’ve ever made! This bow was so quiet! I’ve been in such a rut and you really just inspired me. You got me excited about making again
Patrick Dupre from Montpellier/ France. I have been watching your videos for years. You are a good specialist in the manufacture of traditional bows. In this video you work osage orangewood with bamboo. Very good assembly. For three years I have been making short bows for shooting on horseback of 1m and 1.15m maximum. Turkish and Mongol bows. Can you make one or two? At least 30/35 LBS? I wish you good luck . Best wishes.
By far one of if not the best video you've done yet.. I've been watching your videos for a few years now. You are one of my most favorite to watch. I have some Osage and Hickory in my garage drying right now. Wanna try my hand at making a bow. You started the drive in me a few years ago to wanna make my own self bow. From about the time you was making board bows in what looked like a basement or small garage.
You still not have learned how to put the string the proper manual way.. well do I need to do a video for you? BTW, watching you working is inspiring and put my heart to peace; knowing that craftsmen are having a future. God bless you.
the reason old osage is so, so good is because this wood will dramatically increase in "RESILIENCY" while losing much of it's weight as it ages. this results in less mass in the limbs so the limbs move faster and because the wood is so resilient string follow is sometimes non existent, i have made bows from this old wood that you could watch the limbs return to their reflex after shooting. when cutting osage always look for the dead standing trees first, this can be your best wood. i have osage staves that are from 35 to possibly 45 years old and to look at some of this wood most people could not see a bow there...but, there are excellent bows in all of them. enjoyed you video. D.M. Kissinger
I didn't recognize timber used but a search of mills using native species describes Osage-orange as "hardest and longest lasting" with same distintive hue. Recommended for compost bins! Glad this had a better use. Can anyone confirm this is Osage? Never seen it on western shore of US.
I have a white feather starling riser & limbs is 32lb the grip is so comfortable but then I brought a Ragim Red lion riser which is a lot chunky for target with 66 cb1 limbs which is 47lb now I was looking for a tradition bow but I like the timber creek Indigo td. But I might get the KG Forester instead at 45lb
One of my favorite videos of yours so far. Question. I probably missed it but... You said it was even (zero) tiller? Are the limbs symmetrical or asymmetrical? I'm trying to do a symmetrical bow with even tiller that shoots split but the math is racking my brain.
I'm in the process of making a bow (my first) that looks at least this twisty lol. It's 56" out of a hickory sapling though, and hollow limbed. I'm currently waiting for a tillering string from you guys (orange lol) to get here this weeks so I can get started on tillering. It has natural backset, and of course not knowing any better I recurved it...substantially. It's flexing straight for the first 5-6" on my tillering tree though (using construction twine)...so I'm hopeful! Awesome work guys, thanks for sharing.
One of my first bows was a kind of hollow hickory bow I filled the holes with High impact epoxy from The Golf Works,....it bends and flex's, where other epoxies break like glass.
Just bought my first bow a couple days ago, hasn't even arrived here from shipping yet. But I already know I want my second to be made by you. Awesome video man
I'm in the same boat. Bought my first bow a few weeks ago. A Prime compound bow. I want one of there bows to be my 2nd bow. I'm going down the archery rabbit hole.
Hey I’m a longtime fan from back when you first started making bows! I always love your videos and it’s been great seeing you become an excellent craftsman over the years. I know you’ve made sinew backed bows in the past but seeing how comfortable you are with complex construction and wood bending I was wondering if you would ever try your hand at any more traditional styles of horn sinew composite bows. Thanks again for the videos
Liked this video! Although I was yelling at the screen to take the plastic cover off of the clamp before heating the belly😆 (only because I’ve been down that road myself) great build.
And I can feel it so much Very good work. Very nice mixture of wood types... Great video...oh and by the way... I like the video with your son...my son was 5 years old when I made his first bow Greetings from Germany...Bow making connects
Why did you back the Osage? Unless a growth ring is violated or you're going for a very short and heavy bow, I've never known Osage to need to be backed.
Hey Krammer, or YT, where do you find nice Wide bamboo like that?! I've looked and places like 3 rivers is the only online place I've found, but they always seem to be a tiny bit too narrow when I order them.
Awesome build Kramer, I always enjoy your vids. I have build a couple with bad wormholes in the wood. I squeegeed fiberglass resin over the wood to fill the holes. It worked really well
The Tiller looks a little bit like a RD design bow, but from my perspective through the video, it comes out as a pretty straight piece of laminate unstrung. Did you intentionally let the inner thirds of the limbs bend more? My intuition sais, it could bend a little bit more on the outer parts of the limbs, but this could lead to a higher angle between limbs and string at full draw. And, of course, its a diagnosis from very very far away. You will know better than me. Still, I would be interested in your thoughts on the tiller! In general I would love to see a clear picture of the bow unstrung in camparison to the full draw in such a video, since I always try to follow bowmakers in their tillering decisions to learn from them. Hope you still enjoy what you're doing and keep the good spirit between fun and dedication!
They might have in the fact Krammer had to make fill the holes in the bow thus making the bow more dead as a result. The other thing that might have helped is the bow is made of a bad piece of wood and needed to be laminated with a baking and as use for part of the handle.
What’s that little steam machine you use? I have similar system but I don’t have a nifty machine I use an element and a boiling pot which is kinda tough Edit: well, I shoulda just kept watching lol
Hi Kramer, I live in South Africa, how would I be able to purchase one of your bows, I've been a big fan since 2018, watching you make bows is theraputic for me, I've even downloaded and attempted making a bow to your spec, buut I failed😅
Now if that bow is 64 inches when strung up, it is legal for the barebow 3D that is using the world archery rules as long as you use wood or bamboo arrows. My longbow just misses this mark at 60 inches when not strung up and is 58--59 inches when strung up.
Im a fan of kramer. But im not sure what this proves, other than if you take a sub par specimen of a top shelf bow wood, hit it with half a million dollars worth of table equipment and stabilize it with something like bamboo, you can make functioning piece of archery equipment.......just an objective observation.
Nice build guys!
For anyone wondering, this only works with rot resistant species like osage, yew, juniper, laburnum etc.
If a whitewood has been on the ground outside for more than a few days it’ll start rotting.
As a woodworker on the western shore of US I didn't recognize the timber but wondered if it could be similar to yew. It is a great color and seems to work well. Do you know what species it is?
@@michaelrowave Osage orange, Maclura pomifera
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What about mulberry?
@@johnshultz3058 Yep. Treat it like osage just make it about 10% wider
Have you seen how Clay Hayes does it? A draw knife with a horse bench is more satisfying than a power sander for me personally. I also use a block plane and spoke shave a lot. It's a cool video though.
I swear one of these days, when I actually have money again, I am buying a bow from you. This bow was absolutely stunning. Great work man!
Byild your own bow brother. America has some fantastic timber to choose from. Time is the only expense
@@baz3184 I actually plan on getting into bow making once I'm able to! I especially want to try to build a Penobscot self bow. But unfortunately I live in Alberta Canada, which is a province that doesn't have great woods. I'm also in a tough spot with finances, so new hobbies are on a wait list. But once I'm back on my feet, for sure!
@Goofist Mcnutty I live on Australia and we famously have terrible bow woods. I do have access to a nice big forest were I can try different timbers. Just use whatever hard wood you can get your hands on and learn through failure. A hammer ,sand paper, a pencil hatchet, saw, and a sharp knife (you don't need a draw knife but it helps allot) you can probably get a full kit for under $100.
Then go buy a nice draw knife for around $100.
And maybe a small vice.
You can do it brother! 💪
Deepest respect for this build. I'm far away from your level of craftmanship, but these videos let me keep going. Thanks for sharing!
It jist shows from a ugly piece of wood you can make something so beautiful and quiet it shoots so well. Great video.
I like that you take the time to explain everything in the bow building process. Never built one myself but find this all very informative. Having no experience and only knowing what I have seen on RUclips, as possible constructive observation, I have noticed something while you are tillering on the tiller tree. I noticed as you are about to mark the Right side with the Tillering Gizmo you unintentionally let off the trilling draw by up to 1" in some cases then mark.. I wonder if you locked the tillering draw in at your desired point you would get more accurate tilling per side. Like I said I know really nothing and am only offing this as constructive observation and a possible way of improving tillering accuracy and efficiency. If I am any close to being a little correct might be worth your while to try it out I'd be curious to know.
Happy Bowyering!
That's actually a pretty good looking bow. And as long as it shoots accurately, consistently, there's nothing to complain about. Great build!
I like that you're all professional, and don't half ass anything. Seeing the pride you take in your work is why I buy your products.
The saying is...
You made a silk purse from a sow's ear
Very interesting watching the process
Oh, Loved the longbow you made for your son that an amazing gift. Yes, my brother started at age 4 in 1997 with bows that fit his size from a friends dad his uncles old bows and I was 8 at the time. Later the dad got in 1998 when 8 bows that actually fit me but more importantly his dad better at an estate sale he went to for some old 1960's tools that were higher grade then mid level in the 1990's. The good bows from Bear were sold off, leaving the Ben Person/Colt and lower quality stuff from Shakespear that was left. The guy had run a traditional bow shop into the 1980's when compound took off and he had a hard time selling bows that were not target/target ILF so his shop became a non compound Target bow shop for those needing bows for specific types of target competitions like free form non compound, ASL target bows with the forward facing handle, and 3D target stuff including bows that would work for hunting too. He stopped selling broadheads unless somebody asked to order them in, selling arrows only for target use as the skinny aluminum arrows but could also be used for hunting if one removed the fixed target point that he always put on arrows or if one did the work or ground the point down to blunt and used a glue on broadhead.
Dude, big respect. You've awakened a 25yr old love of whittling and archery. A bow build in my near future feels imminent!
If i can offer a keeping-it-real criticism...a lot of your older videos feel more genuine, and i think it has something to do with you getting a selfie monitor and constantly glancing at it like you're either insecure or a little off.
beautiful bow, i'm shocked how quiet it is
That Kramer is an awesome piece of wood, would look great with a snakeskin backing 🤘
I felt the part of this video when you were splitting that log. I hate splitting osage. I just wish hickory was as moisture resistant.
I am currently using a hickory stave that has been rotting away in the mud and surprisingly it's turning out into a good bow, it's my first bow and I had to use a machete as a draw knife as I am still working on getting all the proper tools, I'm hoping through the heat treatment I can shape this bow as it needs to be, I am very limited to what I have for tools, literally the most basic, counting an old survival knife for the tillering process while have to pretty much floor tiller the whole project due to lack of making a tillering jig, my issue right now is coming up with a way to put some heat on the bow while figuring out using clamps and a board to shape it as it needs to be, videos like this, though I lack the tools used, still helps me to create this bow I am building for the first time, I am a carpenter of 20 years so I'm not a virgin to woodworking, just building a bow
sinew backing saves a lot of staves from the firepit for me
God this was my favorite video you’ve ever made! This bow was so quiet! I’ve been in such a rut and you really just inspired me. You got me excited about making again
Patrick Dupre from Montpellier/ France.
I have been watching your videos for years. You are a good specialist in the manufacture of traditional bows. In this video you work osage orangewood with bamboo. Very
good assembly.
For three years I have been making short bows for shooting on horseback of 1m and 1.15m maximum.
Turkish and Mongol bows.
Can you make one or two? At least 30/35 LBS?
I wish you good luck .
Best wishes.
You should paint the bamboo green. The green of the bamboo and yellow of the Osage would look fantastic!!!
Gorgeous bow! I like that you left the natural wood colors.
By far one of if not the best video you've done yet.. I've been watching your videos for a few years now. You are one of my most favorite to watch. I have some Osage and Hickory in my garage drying right now. Wanna try my hand at making a bow. You started the drive in me a few years ago to wanna make my own self bow. From about the time you was making board bows in what looked like a basement or small garage.
You still not have learned how to put the string the proper manual way.. well do I need to do a video for you?
BTW, watching you working is inspiring and put my heart to peace; knowing that craftsmen are having a future.
God bless you.
Great job Kramer nice work.
God bless.
I have only made it through 18 seconds and needed to comment. Amazing intro.
Awesome bow
It's not ridiculous.. it's bloody awesome! 🙂
I wonder if you could make a takedown bow from 2 guitar (or bass) necks, bonus points for keeping the fretboard on it as a backing? :)
the reason old osage is so, so good is because this wood will dramatically increase in "RESILIENCY" while losing much of it's weight as it ages. this results in less mass in the limbs so the limbs move faster and because the wood is so resilient string follow is sometimes non existent, i have made bows from this old wood that you could watch the limbs return to their reflex after shooting. when cutting osage always look for the dead standing trees first, this can be your best wood. i have osage staves that are from 35 to possibly 45 years old and to look at some of this wood most people could not see a bow there...but, there are excellent bows in all of them. enjoyed you video. D.M. Kissinger
I wish I could get/build a bow. Also great build!!!
Best bow I love it
Bam. What you made of it is beautiful. Keep going young man. If I could Aladdin's it I would buy a bow from you. Respect to you
Yellowest wood award goes to...
your videos are always a treat man! Awesome work!
Your bow turned out amazing! She is a beauty! I really enjoyed watching you build it!
I love my RD Bones bow and I shoot it almost every day. If you start making these, I will buy one too.
Soooo
I just ordered some bow strings from shatterproof archery on your
referral
Hopefully they will do the trick
That was super cool to watch! Thanks Kramer.😊
Great Job! Congratulation! This is a piece of art!
I didn't recognize timber used but a search of mills using native species describes Osage-orange as "hardest and longest lasting" with same distintive hue. Recommended for compost bins! Glad this had a better use. Can anyone confirm this is Osage? Never seen it on western shore of US.
Bow is beautiful! I think this was your best video yet as well, great work, enjoyed it!!!
I have a white feather starling riser & limbs is 32lb the grip is so comfortable but then I brought a Ragim Red lion riser which is a lot chunky for target with 66 cb1 limbs which is 47lb now I was looking for a tradition bow but I like the timber creek Indigo td. But I might get the KG Forester instead at 45lb
Hermoso .. felicitaciones
Great job brother awesome
One of my favorite videos of yours so far. Question. I probably missed it but... You said it was even (zero) tiller? Are the limbs symmetrical or asymmetrical?
I'm trying to do a symmetrical bow with even tiller that shoots split but the math is racking my brain.
Great video
I'm in the process of making a bow (my first) that looks at least this twisty lol. It's 56" out of a hickory sapling though, and hollow limbed. I'm currently waiting for a tillering string from you guys (orange lol) to get here this weeks so I can get started on tillering. It has natural backset, and of course not knowing any better I recurved it...substantially. It's flexing straight for the first 5-6" on my tillering tree though (using construction twine)...so I'm hopeful! Awesome work guys, thanks for sharing.
One of my first bows was a kind of hollow hickory bow I filled the holes with High impact epoxy from The Golf Works,....it bends and flex's, where other epoxies break like glass.
Just bought my first bow a couple days ago, hasn't even arrived here from shipping yet. But I already know I want my second to be made by you. Awesome video man
I'm in the same boat. Bought my first bow a few weeks ago. A Prime compound bow. I want one of there bows to be my 2nd bow. I'm going down the archery rabbit hole.
Hey I’m a longtime fan from back when you first started making bows! I always love your videos and it’s been great seeing you become an excellent craftsman over the years. I know you’ve made sinew backed bows in the past but seeing how comfortable you are with complex construction and wood bending I was wondering if you would ever try your hand at any more traditional styles of horn sinew composite bows. Thanks again for the videos
try aluminum tape instead of ductape which handles heat better
Liked this video! Although I was yelling at the screen to take the plastic cover off of the clamp before heating the belly😆 (only because I’ve been down that road myself) great build.
Luv it!
Just wonderful video. Thank you.
I absolutely love the build!
Very nice bow and great handcraft...
ME: Just gonna watch till I see what kinda wood.
ALSO ME: (39 minutes later) That was cool.
Like the good old days when Kramer was just starting out.
And I can feel it so much Very good work. Very nice mixture of wood types... Great video...oh and by the way... I like the video with your son...my son was 5 years old when I made his first bow
Greetings from Germany...Bow making connects
Great small game bow. At 25 ftlbs of energy with the heavier arrow it is a little light for deer.
Why did you back the Osage? Unless a growth ring is violated or you're going for a very short and heavy bow, I've never known Osage to need to be backed.
Hey Krammer, or YT, where do you find nice Wide bamboo like that?! I've looked and places like 3 rivers is the only online place I've found, but they always seem to be a tiny bit too narrow when I order them.
Great build. Currently building a bamboo bow with sinew backing. Wish me luck. Flaxen Saxon.
Did i take much set after shooting in? Wondering if it still has any backset after a shooting session.
Awesome build Kramer, I always enjoy your vids. I have build a couple with bad wormholes in the wood. I squeegeed fiberglass resin over the wood to fill the holes. It worked really well
Have you ever made a 'D' section bow as against 'Flat Bows'?
Sweet bow build
The Tiller looks a little bit like a RD design bow, but from my perspective through the video, it comes out as a pretty straight piece of laminate unstrung. Did you intentionally let the inner thirds of the limbs bend more? My intuition sais, it could bend a little bit more on the outer parts of the limbs, but this could lead to a higher angle between limbs and string at full draw. And, of course, its a diagnosis from very very far away. You will know better than me. Still, I would be interested in your thoughts on the tiller! In general I would love to see a clear picture of the bow unstrung in camparison to the full draw in such a video, since I always try to follow bowmakers in their tillering decisions to learn from them. Hope you still enjoy what you're doing and keep the good spirit between fun and dedication!
Is a bow quieter the better the balance between the upper and lower limbs is?
Amazing stick my friend 🤙
Can I buy that one? Or one close to it? I have never shot one but I binged watching all your videos and I’m hooked.
review old moutain sniper longbow 68" please
The excitement of his face after hearing how quite it is
I wish I could get a hold of some Osage Orange where I live(WestCentral Florida). The only thing I can find is "1" guy with a very overpriced slab. :(
What a nice build! From cr*p to cream (a local word, I don't know if it has a different meaning...) A remakable bow in any way!
Nice job.
What kind of wood is firewood? You have to explain that to us in Norway, before this becomes so hip that I die
Can you do Merida's bow
its almost always about the Person & not the Material / Equipment
What kind of wood your using for the bow build?
Have You ever considered ammonia bending?
I've heard stradivarius violins were.exceptional because the wood had been damaged by insects making it more resonant...maybe the bug holes helped?
They might have in the fact Krammer had to make fill the holes in the bow thus making the bow more dead as a result. The other thing that might have helped is the bow is made of a bad piece of wood and needed to be laminated with a baking and as use for part of the handle.
What’s that little steam machine you use? I have similar system but I don’t have a nifty machine I use an element and a boiling pot which is kinda tough
Edit: well, I shoulda just kept watching lol
So awesome! 😀
Do you build bows for customers ?
Hi Kramer, I live in South Africa, how would I be able to purchase one of your bows, I've been a big fan since 2018, watching you make bows is theraputic for me, I've even downloaded and attempted making a bow to your spec, buut I failed😅
Nic
Co
Can you make a bow from ash the wood not fire residue to be clear
All wooden bows are very quiet , even more when the string doesn't touch the limbs .
👍 Nice …
Oh yes his back
Now if that bow is 64 inches when strung up, it is legal for the barebow 3D that is using the world archery rules as long as you use wood or bamboo arrows. My longbow just misses this mark at 60 inches when not strung up and is 58--59 inches when strung up.
Maybe use a bandsaw 😮
How much do you want for one of your bows
30:45 😐 😂👍
Learn how to make a crossbows with Kevin De Bruyne 😅😊❤❤
33:21 😨😱 >>>>> 33:24😇😇🤭
EXPLAIN JAPANESE ARCHERY PLEASE
Im a fan of kramer. But im not sure what this proves, other than if you take a sub par specimen of a top shelf bow wood, hit it with half a million dollars worth of table equipment and stabilize it with something like bamboo, you can make functioning piece of archery equipment.......just an objective observation.
Maybe he was just doing it for fun lol
Within the 10% :D.
There is a reason native americans use hickory and osage orange to make their bows and you my friend just got a crash course on why
😂 I don’t think you can kill your camera man 😂
Now popsicle sticks.
And crappy disposable wooden cutlery
TLDR: Any crappy piece of wood can make a decent bow wirh proper backing. ❓