Brighton to Paris in a Chinese Skywell BE11: Is It Worth It?

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  • Опубликовано: 29 дек 2024

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  • @roderickmain9697
    @roderickmain9697 5 месяцев назад +7

    Well said, Quentin. As a former long term resident of Newhaven, it was nice to see the ferry again. It is a trip I've done many times in other cars but only once in my Tesla (before moving north). The Skywell looks promising from your review. I will look out for it when I'm needing a replacement.

  • @Petelmrg
    @Petelmrg 5 месяцев назад +11

    As European manufacturers import nearly all their tech from China this is a very tricky and dangerous path; history shows trade barriers/wars never end well. Moving away from fossil fuels is by far a bigger goal - for everyone wherever you are on the planet.

    • @Grandmastergav86
      @Grandmastergav86 4 месяца назад

      So what about the materials required to make the things?

  • @rogerstarkey5390
    @rogerstarkey5390 5 месяцев назад +12

    Tariffs don't work when the country concerned has another market which can absorb their full production (BR1C5) and controls the raw materials which we will require to produce vehicles IF we become even close to competitive.

    • @bobmorane4926
      @bobmorane4926 5 месяцев назад

      And the other country already owns the biggest car market in the world. What if the west comes up with a superior tech 15 yrs from now, maybe the Chinese will be able to look back at the barriers imposed by the West to block entry to their huge market , tit for tat !!! These cycles of tech go up and down. It's the Chinese turn for now, just accept it until it's the West again.

  • @rwg2626
    @rwg2626 5 месяцев назад +1

    Good to have you back

  • @steve-r-collier
    @steve-r-collier 4 месяца назад +3

    gone very quiet Quentin...have you seen the light yet?

  • @MichaelMartinussen
    @MichaelMartinussen 5 месяцев назад +3

    Good points!!!

  • @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
    @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 5 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks Quentin for another great video. The recent imposition of punitive tariffs on Chinese made cars is something I addressed on my channel 'Kia e-Niro Diaries Encore'. I argue that we have seen this all before decades ago with the much reported 'Japanese Invasion' in the 1980s. This is something we don't worry about at all now as after 40 years Japan Inc has 13% of the European car market and 75% of those cars are made in Europe. Legislators tend to over react in their understandable attempts to protect the home market but tend to underestimate buyers loyalty to domestic brands.

  • @pauleast4372
    @pauleast4372 5 месяцев назад +7

    It's a shame that you didn't point out the other tariff that slows EV adoption in the UK, the rip-off price of charging. How much did you pay for Fasned charging in France compared with this side of the channel?

    • @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
      @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 5 месяцев назад +7

      That's a good point. I live in France and am shocked at the price of public charging when I go to visit family in the UK. The other shocking thing is the state of the roads in the UK, everything is done down to a budget and false economies. Crushing the aggregate down to create smooth, quiet surfaces is more expensive but the UK doesn't do that which is why the road surfaces break up more quickly...Smaller grains mean smaller gaps for ice to get into which is why surfaces here last longer than they do in the UK.

    • @decimal1815
      @decimal1815 5 месяцев назад

      And what was the charging power available?

  • @issiewizzie
    @issiewizzie 5 месяцев назад +1

    Well articulated. From the original OG

  • @nottmfunguy
    @nottmfunguy 3 месяца назад +3

    This is a man who ended up in court for dodgy cars and more recently had his Tesla failed its MOT with tyres so bad they were showing the steel belts and disc so corroded they would fail in any emergency stop. You lot would take advise from him? seriously!

  • @LysanderLH
    @LysanderLH 5 месяцев назад +3

    What is a lightbulb without a light? What is a fish without water? What is an EV without a cohesive charging network standard?

  • @jumbo994
    @jumbo994 5 месяцев назад +1

    More are coming. I see Omoda and Jaecoo seem to be moving into our local Nissan dealerships in Kent, and probably other regions. Bring it on i say.

  • @thelifeofbatteries2603
    @thelifeofbatteries2603 5 месяцев назад

    Nice to see IONITY Val de Reuil, been there a few times myself.

  • @AnInterestedObserver
    @AnInterestedObserver 5 месяцев назад

    Correct!

  • @user-oz4mx1di7t
    @user-oz4mx1di7t 5 месяцев назад +2

    I follow the elite who still drive ice cars and have private jets and yachts who fuel is basically tax free ,we need to see sadiq kahn out of his v8 range rover and stop using helicopters for local trips

  • @stevieburrows3953
    @stevieburrows3953 5 месяцев назад

    You didnt mention the price in in UK pounds ?

    • @badminverse2136
      @badminverse2136 5 месяцев назад

      I don't think the manufacturer has decided the price yet

    • @badminverse2136
      @badminverse2136 5 месяцев назад

      my bad, he mentioned it at 3:40, £35k for the 72kwh and £38k for the 82kwh version.

  • @decimal1815
    @decimal1815 5 месяцев назад +1

    How exactly do you protect the European car industry without tariffs? Once our own manufacturers have gone, the Chinese will be able to charge as much as they like. Or deny us access to their products if we disagree with them.

    • @alko_xo
      @alko_xo 5 месяцев назад

      Is this what American mega fast food and retail chains have always done?

    • @mev202
      @mev202 Месяц назад

      They shouldn't need protecting, the senior management at the big companies were warned about the Chinese car industry decades ago, but their arrogance meant they thought they knew better. Same thing happened with motorbikes in the 70/80's, that time it was the Japanese bike manufacturers and they wiped out the competition. When you have the CEO of BMW saying the future is not electric. Maybe that company shouldn't be protected, it's adapt or die.

  • @grahamcastle8189
    @grahamcastle8189 5 месяцев назад +1

    A conundrum but the answer is to copy what the Chinese did when they opened up their car industry. Invite Chinese automakers into europe/UK to form joint manufacturing ventures. This is already happening in Europe and likely to get more popular.

    • @Payteer
      @Payteer 5 месяцев назад

      And they are invited in, BYD are opening a factory in Turkiye. Other are now realising they can't just import these subsidised cars into Europe, they have to build them here, Nio, have announced plans to set up manufacturing in the EU and the others are now looking at doing the same. This tariff will benefit the EU in the long run.

  • @thomasbroker69
    @thomasbroker69 5 месяцев назад

    Nice video Quentin , but I still think lots of EV’s are well overpriced , £39k is crazy, given the component count, look at what MG have been doing for the money, even they now have started pushing up prices.

  • @toyotaprius79
    @toyotaprius79 5 месяцев назад +1

    Sure you have listened to Sandy Monroe, Nikki Gordon Bloomfield or even actual geopolitical commentators and hear them point out how western brands are repeating the same mistake to react the same way or worse than the Japanese and Korean wave bringing attractive competitive cars. Either the western brands (and now Toyota, Kia etc) have yo adapt their business model AWAY FROM SUVS & PROFIT MAXIMISATION or they shall put up with the Chinese EVs to dominate or cooperate. Simply put, not investing in R&D, production lines and staff in favour of immediate dividends will always end poorly.
    There's a giant vacuum of A and B segment cars, little petrol cars that were deemed too profit-light to redevelop into EVs and hybrids; we need more A and heavy quadricyle EVs that are safe, affordable and practical. The MG comet got example. That class of car has always done well and can be engineered like a Smart For two to meet crash safety standards

  • @willrossetti2360
    @willrossetti2360 5 месяцев назад +1

    There must be something uniquely emotive about cars which makes this an issue for lawmakers, given so much of what we buy is manufactured in China. It seems perverse to put a tariff on cars but not phones, laptops, TVs, clothes. Allowing cheap manufacture of these goods has only benefited consumers - we still have high employment and we also have cheaper goods, so the same should apply to cars.

    • @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
      @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 5 месяцев назад +1

      Good point. When I hear someone saying they would never buy I Chinese car my first question is 'Do you have smartphone, a tablet or perhaps a laptop?'...

    • @Payteer
      @Payteer 5 месяцев назад +1

      Phones and laptops aren't made in the EU, they lost those industries ages ago due to these same practices that the car industry in China is now doing.

    • @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
      @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Payteer What practices are those? Do you understand the law of Comparative Advantage in economics or the historic evidence of how punitive tariffs tend to damage the importer more than the exporter? China will in its turn loose entire industries to competition from India, Vietnam, Thailand etc as it becomes richer. This has happened to every country since the industrial revolution in Britain.

  • @Paul-ey1ct
    @Paul-ey1ct 3 месяца назад +1

    Quentin is starting to look like jack Nicholson's JOKER 😂 , scary 😳.

  • @rob19632
    @rob19632 5 месяцев назад +1

    Vegan leather, plastic then.

  • @Jimages_uk
    @Jimages_uk 5 месяцев назад +9

    Love it or hate it, this is finally a benefit of leaving the EU, let's hope the Government do the right thing, and not follow them with tariffs

    • @Payteer
      @Payteer 5 месяцев назад +2

      So you're fine with the subsidises that the Chinese Government give their car manufacturers, and the environmental impacts of the way they make them, sod our workers.

    • @davidcheung5133
      @davidcheung5133 5 месяцев назад +1

      The US inflation act gives US green company and infrastructure 891 billion dollars. Also most of the US legacy brand cars received massive bailouts during 2008 market collapse

    • @Jimages_uk
      @Jimages_uk 5 месяцев назад

      @@Payteer If you don't like that, then petition your government to give you subsidies. As. for environmental impacts, where do you think batteries for British built cars would be coming from?

    • @decimal1815
      @decimal1815 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@Jimages_ukUK gigawatt factories, hopefully

    • @Jimages_uk
      @Jimages_uk 5 месяцев назад

      @@decimal1815 once we make batteries, then we can be more competitive.

  • @petersimms4982
    @petersimms4982 5 месяцев назад

    What domestic auto makers 😂😂😂 JLR is on life support 😮

  • @davelocktalk
    @davelocktalk 5 месяцев назад +1

    These tariffs only hurt the consumer !

  • @superbadtr11
    @superbadtr11 Месяц назад

    Bargain 🤓😎

  • @SWR112
    @SWR112 5 месяцев назад

    Absolutely we ran down our British owned brands, under invested, had strike after strike got a reputation for poor build quality then finally sold the badge to foreign companies. Look at MG the badge is back on our roads and in numbers and building great Cars and now a sports Car under Chinese-ownership. Embarrassing that we couldn’t do it. BMW reinventing the modern MINI and thankfully smart enough to keep its spiritual home in Oxford manufacturing them well the ice version at least. But it should be up to the European brands to match the Chinese and if our governments help our home grown brands like China does fair play. Prices are falling for new EV’s and let’s hope Renault smash it out the park with the new retro 5. MINI’s new offering built in China is still stupidly expensive and £10k over the ICE variant and that needs to change and that great looking and driving Cooper S Sport coming in at £43k with its options is a complete joke it should be no more than £30k

  • @sammytsang7479
    @sammytsang7479 5 месяцев назад

    Don't look at it as Chinese cars flooding into UK.
    Look at is like British people want quality and price ratio and British car companies need to follow the Chinese lead.

  • @EVinstructor
    @EVinstructor 5 месяцев назад

    When European brands rely on the Chinese market for a large proportion of their profit then tariffs are a bad idea. If China reciprocates and puts tariffs on European brands for the Chinese market, even if they’re produced locally, it could be disastrous for the Europeans.
    VW group brands, BMW and Mercedes are seeing sales collapse in China. They’re losing market share to Chinese EV manufacturers who are making good quality cheaper cars. The last thing they need is reciprocal tariffs. As these brands become less profitable and their volume of production comes down all of their models will become costlier to make.
    China is the world’s largest car market and it’s going EV very quickly. They’re making good quality EVs the local market is consuming in large quantities. They will make the world’s cheapest cars with their EVs.
    Tariffs on Chinese imports will make all cars more expensive for us. If Chinese cars cost more legacy manufacturers don’t have to try as hard to beat them with either EVs or ICE. Europe will have more expensive cars of all fuel types. Meanwhile China’s economy will race ahead with a population running cheap EVs that cost little to run while Europe tries to rattle around in expensive ICE cars becoming less competitive in global markets.

  • @michaelgoode9555
    @michaelgoode9555 5 месяцев назад

    Given the political shenanigans to "regain our sovereignty" why not subsidise cars manufactured in the UK?

  • @steve-r-collier
    @steve-r-collier 5 месяцев назад

    only 7k subscribers here...says it all..Quentin the cre-tin

  • @jdmguy44
    @jdmguy44 5 месяцев назад +2

    Long time since I've seen Quentin. This video popped up on my recommendations. A quick look at this video and channel and it's clear the old giffer has lost the plot.

    • @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
      @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 5 месяцев назад

      How has he lost the plot?

    • @Payteer
      @Payteer 5 месяцев назад

      @@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 As the EU accuses China of providing substantial state subsidies to its EV manufacturers, which enables them to sell vehicles at lower prices on the international market. This practice is seen as creating an uneven playing field, disadvantaging European manufacturers who do not receive similar levels of government support. Also, while European manufacturers face significant barriers to entry in the Chinese market, Chinese manufacturers have relatively easier access to the European market. The tariffs are seen as a measure to address this imbalance. There's also environmental standards that the Chinese don't follow that the EU companies have to follow, protecting critical industries, (remember Covid) and finally jobs.

    • @jdmguy44
      @jdmguy44 5 месяцев назад +2

      @@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 The bloke has gone from classic car enthusiast/expert to promoting EV crap particularly those from the commy state of China. I'm guessing earning a few quid is involved....

    • @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270
      @kiae-nirodiariesencore4270 5 месяцев назад

      @@jdmguy44 You think EVs generally are 'crap' or just those made in China?

  • @theofarmmanager267
    @theofarmmanager267 5 месяцев назад

    I’m not sure what protection we would gain from putting a tariff on Chinese cars. We can’t say that we are protecting UK brands because we don’t have any. Protecting jobs at Toyota, Nissan perhaps? But Brexit surely put a timescale on those plants anyway.
    Of course, any right-minded person abhors the Chinese Government and it would be naive to separate large Chinese industries from the Chinese Government. But in a market economy world, it is up to other manufacturers and other countries to match, or get near, what another country offers.
    Economic power? What would happen if, suddenly, most of the western world stopped trading with China? Who would be hit? Certainly, our choice of goods would be hard hit; spares for existing Chinese equipment would dry up in the short term. But it would be catastrophic for China. The US alone owes China billions of dollars; suddenly, China would lose that. China would lose the biggest export market for its good with all the consequences on employment and taxes. Those western companies with factories in China would potentially lose those facilities.
    Overall, I would suggest it would hurt China more. It would be very difficult for the West short term but much more so for China with large scale unrest from the population (just kill a load more?) but also the industrialists who are pioneering the move by China into higher level goods. In any business transaction, you must know your strengths and weaknesses but also those of your potential supplier.
    Dont tariff. But work out what concessions mean the most to you and the least to China and work from there.
    I’m afraid career politicians and civil servants seem woefully incapable of managing business. Just look at the endemic waste in Defence procurement. You would have to have successful business people (Deborah Meaden is one that comes to mind) with a team of politicians behind them to really get the best deal for the UK

  • @alko_xo
    @alko_xo 5 месяцев назад

    Perhaps "your auto industry" (especially its "management") should be less post-colonially arrogant, greedy, corrupt and stupid, and more competitive, innovative and customer-oriented?

  • @stuartkennedy4202
    @stuartkennedy4202 5 месяцев назад +1

    The infrastructure is no where near adequate for the U.K. or anywhere else. The vast majority don’t want electric cars as most don’t trust them with safety, price, insurance, cost of repairs, easily written off and range anxiety. Even manufacturers are stepping back.

    • @stephencrowther524
      @stephencrowther524 Месяц назад +1

      Absolute nonsense ! 😂

    • @stuartkennedy4202
      @stuartkennedy4202 Месяц назад

      @ No it’s all fact. Maybe you should look into it yourself.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 19 дней назад

      Ah right, that'll be why sales of both new and used EV's are increasing then.... your post is full of the usual anti EV nonsense. None of it based on actual ownership. For example, how can you comment on insurance costs for EV's when you've never tried to insure one? How do you know EV's are "easily" written off? Have you spoken to lots of insurance assessors? No you haven't. It's all pie in the sky guesswork......

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 19 дней назад

      @@stuartkennedy4202 It's not factual at all. Can you produce any proof to back your claims? No, you can't, because it's all just knee-jerk guesswork. Instead of suggesting people "look into it" why don't *you* show the links to where your information comes from? Your comment regarding the infrastructure not being "nowhere near adequate was nonsense. You probably haven't got a clue how many public charging connections there are in the UK. Try 64'0000, with around 1000 new ones going in each Month. Have you been on the M6 lately? There are around 40 EV chargers at the Hilton Park services on the M6 now. That's why the other poster called your post absolute nonsense. Because it is. You clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about.

    • @stuartkennedy4202
      @stuartkennedy4202 19 дней назад

      ​@@Brian-om2hh I have done several quotes for a few EVs and it was way more expensive. There are a lot of people who have went back to petrol and diesel cars. There are also many posts that say there ev was written off after a small accident that caused a small scratch on the battery and many more with minimal damage. I like EVs to drive but there value drops very drastically not to mention the other problems even the winter gives them problems. I even have a wall charger 22kw but I feel it's not time to get one lots to sort out first. Enjoy your ev, I'm glad you love it.

  • @steve-r-collier
    @steve-r-collier 5 месяцев назад +1

    its all over! 16,910 views Jul 26, 2024 #evnews #evcars #evs
    EVs Are Becoming So WORTHLESS that Even Dealers Don’t Want Them Back! EVs head straight to junkyards as repair costs are unbearable! EV owners who want to sell their EVs to dealerships may expect just one thing - little to no enthusiasm from the dealer's side. Because, in days when even brand-new EVs are a tough sell, used models are something much worse than that, something that nobody wants. EV makers have been promising all kinds of things, including low maintenance costs, easy repairs, and even battery swaps. But so far, things have been quite the opposite, considering that electric cars are not just less reliable but also cost a fortune to get fixed.

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 19 дней назад

      Which EV did you own that had "unbearable" repair costs? My Kia EV - which I've had for 3 years - hasn't cost me a single penny in repairs, because nothing has gone wrong. It still has almost 4 years of warranty still to run. Your post is full of the typical perceptions and misconceptions that most non EV owners have. None of your post is based on actual experience. I haven't read such nonsensical anti EV garbage for quite a while. A typical EV has around 30 moving parts. A typical ICE car has thousands of moving parts to wear out, break or need regular replacement. On that basis, which is likely to be more reliable? I watched a live RUclips feed of the Shoreham Car Auctions a couple of weeks back. On the day I watched, the auction was selling ex lease Tesla's, mostly Model 3's. All of them - without exception - sold for above the CAP book prices. As I said earlier, your post is nothing more than absolute nonsense. Oh, and just in case you were not aware, a Tesla has *no* standard service schedule.....

  • @jxmai7687
    @jxmai7687 5 месяцев назад

    Please don't talk about politico, your country have lots of problem as well.

    • @quentinwillson8918
      @quentinwillson8918  5 месяцев назад +1

      We know the U.K. has political problems. Working together will help us understand our countries better.

  • @benedictchin5261
    @benedictchin5261 5 месяцев назад

    If China wants to give me a free EV, I would very much welcome that, thank you.

    • @robertedwards1543
      @robertedwards1543 3 месяца назад

      ruclips.net/video/jby0uyL78YU/видео.htmlfeature=shared

    • @Brian-om2hh
      @Brian-om2hh 19 дней назад

      Have you had free cars previously?